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Peter1469
05-17-2014, 05:40 AM
The Newest Administration Scandal (http://washingtonexaminer.com/veterans-affairs-official-resigns-as-white-house-says-theres-just-a-suggestion-of-scandal/article/2548546)

The Department of Veterans' Affairs scandal is about typical government incompetence. So it doesn't rank at the top of the other current Administration scandals.

However, politically speaking, since Americans don't pay much attention- but do get hooked by emotional events, this scandal may actually hurt the Administration.


President Obama (http://washingtonexaminer.com/section/barack-obama)'s spokesman maintained to reporters that there was "just a suggestion" of a scandal at the Veterans Affairs (http://washingtonexaminer.com/section/veterans-affairs) Department -- and then, minutes later, a VA official who testified before Congress on Thursday about employees cooking the books resigned.

But that official was retiring anyway! Typical tactic of this administration.

Here is an FT.com article (http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/328546c0-dd10-11e3-8546-00144feabdc0.html#axzz31wIthBvX) that thinks the VA scandal is the big one for the administration.



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The Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) is facing mounting evidence that some of the hospitals it runs have been keeping two sets of books to make it look as if they were reducing waiting times to see a doctor.

zelmo1234
05-17-2014, 06:37 AM
It is another log on the fire for sure.

just as a nation had grown tired of war at the end of the GWB years, not many remember that they were tired of scandal at the end of the Clinton terms.

But it also has started to effect the approval of the ACA which sank again last week in the polls. And for good reason as it shows exactly what cam be expected when the government is running the healthcare program!

patrickt
05-17-2014, 06:56 AM
I wonder if many will connect the inability to manage a fairly small health care system with the desire to take over the entire health care system of the United States. The problems in the VA scandal are quite similar to problems with England's National Health Service.

Peter1469
05-17-2014, 07:01 AM
I wonder if many will connect the inability to manage a fairly small health care system with the desire to take over the entire health care system of the United States. The problems in the VA scandal are quite similar to problems with England's National Health Service.

Good point.

hanger4
05-17-2014, 07:09 AM
I wonder if many will connect the inability to manage a fairly small health care system with the desire to take over the entire health care system of the United States. The problems in the VA scandal are quite similar to problems with England's National Health Service.

Noooo !! what makes you think that ?? hell the left of centers on this forum (and others) totally ingnore this. Hell they ignored it during the run up to passage, *if you love the VA you'll love AHAC. The government runs nothing, but in the ground.

Codename Section
05-17-2014, 07:18 AM
I have to read these stories and remember that I'm fortunate. I didn't lose anything over there. Some of these guys need the VA.

Like all other scandals who cares will be broken down partisan lines.

Peter1469
05-17-2014, 07:26 AM
I am eligible for VA health care for life because of Desert Storm, but I never bothered to get my VA ID card. I went to the one in New Orleans in 1992 and had such a bad experience that I avoided doctors for the next 20+ years (other than required Army physicals).


I have to read these stories and remember that I'm fortunate. I didn't lose anything over there. Some of these guys need the VA.

Like all other scandals who cares will be broken down partisan lines.

patrickt
05-17-2014, 07:43 AM
I had a friend in the VA hospital in Cheyenne years ago. He had health insurance but his doctor was banned from our local hospital and advised my friend to go to the VA in Cheyenne. When I went to visit he was in a ward with seven other old WWII vets who were hacking and coughing. One sat around as the harbinger of doom and when my friend said, "They're concerned about my blood pressure," the old fart piped up, "Oh, sure, you think you have blood pressure problems. My blood pressure...."

I said, "Can't you get a private room?"
"Oh, hell, no, you don't want a private room. A private room means you've got less than a day to live."

In my time in the military, I went on sick call once. That was enough to cure me of dreams of government health care. I did have a tooth pulled without Novacain. The dentist said, "I'm running late. You're not a pussy, are you?" No, not me.

Peter1469
05-17-2014, 07:57 AM
I was very surprised that the hospital I was in during Nov and Dec had private rooms. I certainly would have paid out of pocket for one. If I had a roomie I would have gone bat shit crazy and then gotten a private room, with padded walls.

1751_Texan
05-17-2014, 09:07 AM
Why is any problem that needs addressing a 'scandal'. I have been a long time critic of the VA and it's treatment of vets. So this has not been an unknown.

Anyone that is just now becoming aware of problems with VA Health care system is either has no family memeber, friend, nor neighbor go through the system.

Vets deserve much more than hyperbole. Get off your asses and contact your beloved representatives. There many more problems than wait lists.

Mainecoons
05-17-2014, 09:39 AM
Naw, the ObamaMedia will bury this one along with the rest.

This is really a scandal that illustrates just how fat, lazy, dishonest and incompetent the Federal bureaucracy is. These assholes were sitting around taking our money long before Obama showed up.

In fact, what you have here is an illustration of why this government can't be changed without wholesale firings in the upper levels of the shadow government. Electing a few politicians isn't going to mean jack shit. The civil serpents will just go right on collecting too much money for bad work.

The Sage of Main Street
05-17-2014, 02:18 PM
Noooo !! what makes you think that ?? hell the left of centers on this forum (and others) totally ingnore this. Hell they ignored it during the run up to passage, *if you love the VA you'll love AHAC. The government runs nothing, but in the ground. That's done unconsciously by the hereditary class who infiltrate and subvert what you call the GUBMINT. Their selfish anti-democratic Daddies bring them up to hate the government, and, no matter how much they lie to themselves about being socially responsible, they are driven to make government incompetent.

The Sage of Main Street
05-17-2014, 02:25 PM
Why is any problem that needs addressing a 'scandal'. I have been a long time critic of the VA and it's treatment of vets. So this has not been an unknown.

Anyone that is just now becoming aware of problems with VA Health care system is either has no family memeber, friend, nor neighbor go through the system.

Vets deserve much more than hyperbole. Get off your asses and contact your beloved representatives. There many more problems than wait lists. The VA management are snobs who sucked their thumbs in college and lived like little boys because they were afraid to grow up. In denial about the lack of merit in that, they have to feel superior to those who enlisted and did a man's job instead of a continuation of kindergarten.

momsapplepie
05-17-2014, 02:27 PM
Yet Bradley manning's sex change is fast tracked while other vets are put on waiting lists. Ironic isn't it> Maybe we need to tell schumer to go suck an egg!

Mini Me
05-18-2014, 01:03 PM
It is another log on the fire for sure.

just as a nation had grown tired of war at the end of the GWB years, not many remember that they were tired of scandal at the end of the Clinton terms.

But it also has started to effect the approval of the ACA which sank again last week in the polls. And for good reason as it shows exactly what cam be expected when the government is running the healthcare program!

Wrong!

The VA program is totally separate from the ACA, and the problems go back a long ways before Maobama.

del
05-18-2014, 09:52 PM
The Newest Administration Scandal (http://washingtonexaminer.com/veterans-affairs-official-resigns-as-white-house-says-theres-just-a-suggestion-of-scandal/article/2548546)

The Department of Veterans' Affairs scandal is about typical government incompetence. So it doesn't rank at the top of the other current Administration scandals.

However, politically speaking, since Americans don't pay much attention- but do get hooked by emotional events, this scandal may actually hurt the Administration.



But that official was retiring anyway! Typical tactic of this administration.

Here is an FT.com article (http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/328546c0-dd10-11e3-8546-00144feabdc0.html#axzz31wIthBvX) that thinks the VA scandal is the big one for the administration.

define big one, please

Professor Peabody
05-19-2014, 04:49 AM
Veterans claims backlog grew under Obama

Updated: Friday, November 2nd, 2012 | By J.B. Wogan http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS71kNsppfVEjpeJCKC6J67MkKTG4Nmj WhuvjtCjCbrUNam49fObmfxKQ

During the 2008 election, Barack Obama courted veterans as a voting bloc. We've documented 14 campaign promises Obama made to them, from putting more money into U.S. Veterans Affairs to expanding housing vouchers for homeless veterans.

One such pledge was to reduce the benefits claims backlog.

The backlog nearly doubled from roughly 36 percent in summer 2010 to 65 percent in June 2012. In that sense, Obama has failed. The backlog grew after he took office.

On the most important measurement of this promise -- the claims backlog -- things are worse. We rate this a Promise Broken.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/promise/114/reduce-the-veterans-benefits-administration-claims/

Just another broken promise from the Obama administration.

Montoya
05-19-2014, 04:56 AM
Just another broken promise from the Obama administration.
Benghazi? LOL

Professor Peabody
05-20-2014, 06:42 PM
Benghazi? LOL

Ya really got nuthin better to do......do ya?