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Libhater
05-19-2014, 01:21 PM
Volumes could be penned on the myriad ways in which the central tenets of liberalism violate each of
the Ten Commandments. The following is a much truncated analysis:

The Ten Commandments:


1. Thou Shalt Have No Gods Before Me.

At worst, liberalism denies the very existence of God in the forms of atheism and secularism, while, at best
it adopts the wonderfully "inclusive" blasphemy called religious pluralism. Pluralism presumes to give the false
gods of false religions equal footing and denies Christ as He defined Himself: "I am the way and the truth and
the life. No one comes to the Father except through me" (John 14:6). Liberal "Christianity" falls under this
category. It's pluralism with a Christian stamp.

Secular humanism, liberalism's prevailing false religion, denies God altogether and crowns man as king over
himself and the measure of all things. "Eat, drink and be merry, for tomorrow we die."



2. Thou Shalt Not Make Graven Images

We're talking idolatry here. Liberalism is built on it. First, there's literal idolatry (the worship of manmade idols,
animals or inanimate objects) enjoyed by our New Age friends. And then there's everything else: pantheistic
environmentalism, the idols of "reproductive freedom," "sexual liberation and equality,"

Essentially, liberalism worships the created over the Creator. Liberalism also worships the sins of the flesh,
(see Commandments No. 1, 6 and 7).


3. Thou Shalt Not Take the Lord's Name in Vain.

To deny God is to take the Lord's name in vain. To deny God as He defines Himself is to take the Lord's name
in vain. To misrepresent God, to call other gods God or to deny the deity of Christ is to take the Lord's name in
vain. Liberalism does this and much more. Many liberals also mock Christ, Christianity and Christians. They revile
the exclusive nature of Jesus. His commands and His faithful followers. They hate the truth.


4. Remember to Keep Holy the Sabbath

This one is a bit tricky as it is widely understood to fall under the Jewish ceremonial law, not the moral law, the old
covenant, not the new. Christ Himself healed (worked) on the Sabbath. That said, many Christians still view Sunday
as the Sabbath and do, indeed, keep it holy. Not all liberals (there are certainly liberal Jews), but liberalism at large
denies the Sabbath any significance whatsoever, much less a holy significance.


5. Honor Thy Father and Thy Mother

Liberalism seeks to supplant parents with "progressive" government. It diminishes parental rights and encourages
children to rebel against the antiquated conventions held by mom and dad. It denies that children ever need a mother
and father and bristles at the "heteronormative" lack of "gender neutrality" inherent within the very words "mother and
father." The sin-centered, counter-biblical notion of "gay marriage" desecrates God's design for true marriage and
family and is intended to undermine these cornerstone institutions.


6. Thou Shalt Not Murder

Abortion, euthanasia, "pro-choice," "reproductive rights," "death with dignity." Need I say more? Sacrosanct is the liberal
rite of passage for a feminist mother to slaughter her own child in the womb. Fifty-five million dead babies later, liberals
continue to worship at the pagan altar of "choice" (see Commandments No. 1 and 2).


7. Thou Shalt Not Commit Adultery

This means all sexual immorality as identified in the Scriptures, to include martial infidelity, fornication, homosexuality,
bestiality, incest, et al. Liberalism, it seems, embraces all perversions of God's design for human sexuality. Central to
liberalism is moral relativism. When it comes to sex, you can do no wrong because there is no wrong.


8. Thou Shalt Not Steal

With class warfare as its fuel. liberalism embraces the redistributionist philosophies of Marx and Engels. Liberalism
thrives on theft. Like some completely incompetent and inefficient Robin Hood, Liberal government steals from the
middle class to give to the poor, thereby ensuring that liberal politicians remain in power and everyone else remains
miserable.


9. Thou Shalt Not Bear False Witness

I give you Saul Alinsky from his Rules for Radicals: "The third rule of ethics of means and ends is that in war the end
justifies the means." As we've learned from Barack "you can keep your insurance" and for Obama, that includes lying.
Liberals lie. That's what they do. The end justifies the means. Bearing false witness about detractors of liberalism is
par for the course.


10. Thou Shalt Not Covet

Again, liberalism uses man's inherent covetousness as the driving force behind all liberal economic policies. Creating a
political climate of economic envy and class warfare gives liberal government the cover needed to take wealth from
those who produce and redistribute it to those who don't (see Libhater's signature). Not only does liberalism violate
this commandment. liberalism commands its adherents to do the exact opposite..."Thou Shalt Covet."



As Satan "masquerades as an angel of light" (2 Corinthians 11:14), So too, does liberalism masquerade as good. It's
deceptively packaged in flowery euphemisms and feel-good sound bites that promise "equality," "tolerance" and libertine
notions of "social justice."
Yet in reality, liberalism, in both philosophical and practical terms, simply signifies man's predisposition to "call evil good
and good evil." It's sin, all doled up and doled out.

http://barbwire.com/2014/05/17/liberalism-violates-10-commandments/

kilgram
05-19-2014, 01:44 PM
Is any of those ideas bad?

nic34
05-19-2014, 02:28 PM
Ten Punishments


1. Exodus 22:20: He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the Lord only, he shall be utterly destroyed.

2. Leviticus 24:16: And he that blasphemeth the name of the Lord, he shall surely be put to death.

3. Exodus 31:15: Whosoever doeth any work in the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

4. Exodus 21:15: He that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death.

5. Exodus 21:17: He that curseth his father or his mother, shall surely be put to death.

6. Exodus 22:19: Whosoever lieth with a beast shall surely be put to death.

7. Leviticus 20:13: If a man lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death.

8. Leviticus 20:10: And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall be put to death.

9. Mark 16:16: He that believeth not, shall be damned.

10. Malachi 2:1-4: And now, O ye priests, this commandment is for you. If you will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart to give glory to my name, ... behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces.

Mainecoons
05-19-2014, 02:30 PM
Want to try the topic now, genius? There really is plenty there to take issue with.

Never mind, as usual it is beyond your capability.

nathanbforrest45
05-19-2014, 02:33 PM
Are believers and non believers on equal footing? In other words is non belief merely another way of assessing the world? Are both believers and non believers correct and their belief system should be tolerated by believers. And Vice Versa?

Libhater
05-19-2014, 02:45 PM
Ten Punishments


1. Exodus 22:20: He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the Lord only, he shall be utterly destroyed.

2. Leviticus 24:16: And he that blasphemeth the name of the Lord, he shall surely be put to death.

3. Exodus 31:15: Whosoever doeth any work in the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

4. Exodus 21:15: He that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death.

5. Exodus 21:17: He that curseth his father or his mother, shall surely be put to death.

6. Exodus 22:19: Whosoever lieth with a beast shall surely be put to death.

7. Leviticus 20:13: If a man lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death.

8. Leviticus 20:10: And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall be put to death.

9. Mark 16:16: He that believeth not, shall be damned.

10. Malachi 2:1-4: And now, O ye priests, this commandment is for you. If you will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart to give glory to my name, ... behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces.


Those punishments or the reality behind the immorality involved by WE GOD fearing Christians kind of casts a dark shadow over anti-Christ liberals everywhere, now doesn't it?

nic34
05-19-2014, 02:49 PM
Want to try the topic now, genius? There really is plenty there to take issue with.

Never mind, as usual it is beyond your capability.


The OP says lib-ralism violates each of the Ten Commandments. But we all know EVERYONE has broken most of them, and since no one is without sin....

I just wanted you all to know your fate. :laugh:

Libhater
05-19-2014, 02:58 PM
The OP says lib-ralism violates each of the Ten Commandments. But we all know EVERYONE has broken most of them, and since no one is without sin....

I just wanted you all to know your fate. :laugh:

You see, we Christians understand that all men are sinners, and that's reason enough for us to cleanse those sins
whenever possible, and at the same time learn to better ourselves by adhering to the Ten Commandments. You
liberals being the atheists that you are destined to be cast into the Lake of Fire by your commitment to follow
Satan's path to hell. You Libs' have never had the initiative to be a moral people as the OP clearly shows.

Cthulhu
05-19-2014, 03:24 PM
1. Thou Shalt Have No Gods Before Me.
2. Thou Shalt Not Make Graven Images
3. Thou Shalt Not Take the Lord's Name in Vain.
4. Remember to Keep Holy the Sabbath
5. Honor Thy Father and Thy Mother
6. Thou Shalt Not Murder
7. Thou Shalt Not Commit Adultery
8. Thou Shalt Not Steal
9. Thou Shalt Not Bear False Witness
10. Thou Shalt Not Covet


Rail on liberalism all you like, but pretty much any government does the same thing.

The state steals, rapes, kills, has no respect for the divine, covets prior to stealing, lies like clockwork, tries to divorce children from their parents, works on sunday, and doesn't like competing interests.

The only thing it can't do really is commit adultery because you can't marry a state/government. But if it could, it would.

Cthulhu
05-19-2014, 03:24 PM
The OP says lib-ralism violates each of the Ten Commandments. But we all know EVERYONE has broken most of them, and since no one is without sin....

I just wanted you all to know your fate. :laugh:

Repentance - google it.

The Sage of Main Street
05-19-2014, 03:33 PM
You see, we Christians understand that all men are sinners, and that's reason enough for us to cleanse those sins
whenever possible, and at the same time learn to better ourselves by adhering to the Ten Commandments. You
liberals being the atheists that you are destined to be cast into the Lake of Fire by your commitment to follow
Satan's path to hell. You Libs' have never had the initiative to be a moral people as the OP clearly shows. With the religion you actually practice, Voodoo Economics, all you have to do is stick pins in Liberal Barbie Dolls and your enemies will all fall dead.

Germanicus
05-19-2014, 03:35 PM
So the evil ones are the good ones?

kilgram
05-19-2014, 03:37 PM
You see, we Christians understand that all men are sinners, and that's reason enough for us to cleanse those sins
whenever possible, and at the same time learn to better ourselves by adhering to the Ten Commandments. You
liberals being the atheists that you are destined to be cast into the Lake of Fire by your commitment to follow
Satan's path to hell. You Libs' have never had the initiative to be a moral people as the OP clearly shows.
Moral under what concept? Your hipocresy is nice.

Mainecoons
05-19-2014, 06:07 PM
Learn how to spell "hypocrisy" would you please?

Sheesh!

kilgram
05-19-2014, 06:14 PM
Learn how to spell "hypocrisy" would you please?

Sheesh!
Thank you :)

Libhater
05-19-2014, 06:33 PM
Thank you :)

And thank 'YOU' for your intellectual input here.

Bob
05-19-2014, 06:40 PM
http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Libhater http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://thepoliticalforums.com/showthread.php?p=622223#post622223)
1. Thou Shalt Have No Gods Before Me.
2. Thou Shalt Not Make Graven Images
3. Thou Shalt Not Take the Lord's Name in Vain.
4. Remember to Keep Holy the Sabbath
5. Honor Thy Father and Thy Mother
6. Thou Shalt Not Murder
7. Thou Shalt Not Commit Adultery
8. Thou Shalt Not Steal
9. Thou Shalt Not Bear False Witness
10. Thou Shalt Not Covet


Rail on liberalism all you like, but pretty much any government does the same thing.

The state steals, rapes, kills, has no respect for the divine, covets prior to stealing, lies like clockwork, tries to divorce children from their parents, works on sunday, and doesn't like competing interests.

The only thing it can't do really is commit adultery because you can't marry a state/government. But if it could, it would.

Great pair of posts.

Montoya
05-19-2014, 06:48 PM
Who gives a shit? Only two or 3 are the law and have been since before the 10 commandments. WE are doing a good job of kicking your religion out of the country. You best get used to it.

Cthulhu
05-19-2014, 07:25 PM
Who gives a shit? Only two or 3 are the law and have been since before the 10 commandments. WE are doing a good job of kicking your religion out of the country. You best get used to it.

*an explosion of hysterical giggling....swelling up into full throated laughter*

I admire your enthusiasm, however misplaced it may be.

Mainecoons
05-19-2014, 07:35 PM
Yes Montoya, you flaming fool. And you're doing a better job of kicking the country out of the country and reducing it to a has been.

You must be a government worker or a billionaire. Because they are the only ones making out here.

Either that or you are so stupid you're brain damaged and haven't a clue just how badly these folks are fucking you.

Libhater
05-19-2014, 09:29 PM
Who gives a shit? Only two or 3 are the law and have been since before the 10 commandments. WE are doing a good job of kicking your religion out of the country. You best get used to it.

Back before the 1970s when GOD was still in our schools we had a much more civilized and morally backed nation. Thanks to the influx of a godless society starting in
the 1960s up to the present time our society/culture has been sliding downhill to where almost half of the people are hopelessly shackled to a lifetime of receiving
cradle to grave benefits that zaps the very souls and the very fiber of people who are unfortunately saddled with a secularized lifestyle of endless despair.

Dr. Who
05-19-2014, 11:21 PM
You see, we Christians understand that all men are sinners, and that's reason enough for us to cleanse those sins
whenever possible, and at the same time learn to better ourselves by adhering to the Ten Commandments. You
liberals being the atheists that you are destined to be cast into the Lake of Fire by your commitment to follow
Satan's path to hell. You Libs' have never had the initiative to be a moral people as the OP clearly shows.
I must ask how you rationalize your version of Christianity with the lasciviousness of your avatar? Are you not breaking the 9th commandment on a daily basis? Is the practice of chastity not within your Christian creed? Is it OK for a Christian man to ogle and disrespect the female body so much that he would use it as his avatar, whilst simultaneously condemning the sins of others? Isn't your own morality a little compromised?

Montoya
05-20-2014, 12:37 AM
I must ask how you rationalize your version of Christianity with the lasciviousness of your avatar? Are you not breaking the 9th commandment on a daily basis? Is the practice of chastity not within your Christian creed? Is it OK for a Christian man to ogle and disrespect the female body so much that he would use it as his avatar, whilst simultaneously condemning the sins of others? Isn't your own morality a little compromised?

The conservative way, do as I say not as I do.

Dr. Who
05-20-2014, 12:43 AM
The conservative way, do as I say not as I do.
Precisely. It is easy to accuse the shortcomings of others, but harder to defend one's own.

kilgram
05-20-2014, 12:54 AM
Back before the 1970s when GOD was still in our schools we had a much more civilized and morally backed nation. Thanks to the influx of a godless society starting in
the 1960s up to the present time our society/culture has been sliding downhill to where almost half of the people are hopelessly shackled to a lifetime of receiving
cradle to grave benefits that zaps the very souls and the very fiber of people who are unfortunately saddled with a secularized lifestyle of endless despair.
Why is so important to believe in a fantasy written 2,000 years ago? I don't get it.

By the way, do you know that the religious are the ones that more adoptions practice, more divorces have and bigger rate of crime have? I am tired of this nonsense.

Godless society is moral, much more than the religious, even.

You use terms that even you don't know what they mean. LOL.

Refugee
05-20-2014, 01:17 AM
It’s not a guessing game. Look to those societies that abandoned Christianity for man-made ideologies and start counting the mass graves. Stalin’s USSR, Hitler’s Germany, Pol Pots Cambodia, Mao’s China, Kim’s North Korea . . . it’s all good fun, except for those on the receiving end of it.

Every generation produces evil people. Far in excess of those are the stupid and it’s from within these ranks that the believers are drawn. It’s not evil (atheist) people who produce the mass graves; it’s their (atheist) believers. Not that those atheist beliefs necessarily produce death and destruction; it just seems to be an overriding factor involved in the hero worship of the cult of personalities and man-made atheist people elevated to God like figures.

Following the collapse of dictatorships, the believers melt back into the ranks of the stupid to await the next man-made Messiah and their ‘words of wisdom’.

Pol Pot, Hitler and Stalin all thought they had the answers. They all thought Christianity was stupid too.

Montoya
05-20-2014, 01:31 AM
Yes Montoya, you flaming fool. And you're doing a better job of kicking the country out of the country and reducing it to a has been.

You must be a government worker or a billionaire. Because they are the only ones making out here.

Either that or you are so stupid you're brain damaged and haven't a clue just how badly these folks are fucking you.

What the Benghazi are you talking about?

kilgram
05-20-2014, 01:31 AM
It’s not a guessing game. Look to those societies that abandoned Christianity for man-made ideologies and start counting the mass graves. Stalin’s USSR, Hitler’s Germany, Pol Pots Cambodia, Mao’s China, Kim’s North Korea . . . it’s all good fun, except for those on the receiving end of it.

Every generation produces evil people. Far in excess of those are the stupid and it’s from within these ranks that the believers are drawn. It’s not evil (atheist) people who produce the mass graves; it’s their (atheist) believers. Not that those atheist beliefs necessarily produce death and destruction; it just seems to be an overriding factor involved in the hero worship of the cult of personalities and man-made atheist people elevated to God like figures.

Following the collapse of dictatorships, the believers melt back into the ranks of the stupid to await the next man-made Messiah and their ‘words of wisdom’.

Pol Pot, Hitler and Stalin all thought they had the answers. They all thought Christianity was stupid too.

Seriously? O.o

Refugee
05-20-2014, 01:48 AM
Seriously? O.o

Yes absolutely. Read all about it in Mein Kampf or the Communist Manifesto. Amazing what some people believe isn't it.

GrassrootsConservative
05-20-2014, 01:53 AM
It’s not a guessing game. Look to those societies that abandoned Christianity for man-made ideologies and start counting the mass graves. Stalin’s USSR, Hitler’s Germany, Pol Pots Cambodia, Mao’s China, Kim’s North Korea . . . it’s all good fun, except for those on the receiving end of it.

Every generation produces evil people. Far in excess of those are the stupid and it’s from within these ranks that the believers are drawn. It’s not evil (atheist) people who produce the mass graves; it’s their (atheist) believers. Not that those atheist beliefs necessarily produce death and destruction; it just seems to be an overriding factor involved in the hero worship of the cult of personalities and man-made atheist people elevated to God like figures.

Following the collapse of dictatorships, the believers melt back into the ranks of the stupid to await the next man-made Messiah and their ‘words of wisdom’.

Pol Pot, Hitler and Stalin all thought they had the answers. They all thought Christianity was stupid too.


Hitler was Roman-Catholic who thought he was on the side of his god by avenging the death of jesus by exterminating the Jewish race. Not sure where you get the idea that he "abandoned Christianity."


"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)

The ideas of Christianity are almost parallel to those of Liberalism: Demonize and dehumanize the opposition and then destroy it when nobody cares about that specific group of people anymore. Christians did it with Native Americans, Liberals did it with blacks, Christians are doing it with Muslims now, Liberals are doing it with Christians now. It's all the same.

Liberals and Christians are the same fuckass lowlife scumbags, the only difference is Liberals worship the state and Christians worship the great pie in the sky.

/Edit: You mention Mein Kampf, but it's blatantly obvious you've never read it. Hitler goes to GREAT lengths to credit his atrocities to his religion. So do modern Christians. Nothing ever changes if you don't acknowledge this.

1751_Texan
05-20-2014, 05:05 AM
Those punishments or the reality behind the immorality involved by WE GOD fearing Christians kind of casts a dark shadow over anti-Christ liberals everywhere, now doesn't it?

I'll accept my punishment for my sins, but let those all that will cast stones first cast stones on their brethern.

Make your house clean before looking to clean any other.

Libhater
05-20-2014, 05:57 AM
I must ask how you rationalize your version of Christianity with the lasciviousness of your avatar? Are you not breaking the 9th commandment on a daily basis? Is the practice of chastity not within your Christian creed? Is it OK for a Christian man to ogle and disrespect the female body so much that he would use it as his avatar, whilst simultaneously condemning the sins of others? Isn't your own morality a little compromised?

Your dirty mind is working overtime. What does our 9th Commandment have to do with chastity? What does the showing off of my girlfriend's body
have to do with your misinterpretation of the Christian creed? It isn't as if she is exposing the goods, for we both know you wouldn't allow that on your
secularized forum.
Would you agree that liberals when taken in the aggregate have violated all ten of the commandments?
This post isn't about me; its about liberals violating all 10 of the commandments.

Refugee
05-20-2014, 07:23 AM
Hitler was Roman-Catholic who thought he was on the side of his god by avenging the death of jesus by exterminating the Jewish race. Not sure where you get the idea that he "abandoned Christianity."



The ideas of Christianity are almost parallel to those of Liberalism: Demonize and dehumanize the opposition and then destroy it when nobody cares about that specific group of people anymore. Christians did it with Native Americans, Liberals did it with blacks, Christians are doing it with Muslims now, Liberals are doing it with Christians now. It's all the same.

Liberals and Christians are the same fuckass lowlife scumbags, the only difference is Liberals worship the state and Christians worship the great pie in the sky.

/Edit: You mention Mein Kampf, but it's blatantly obvious you've never read it. Hitler goes to GREAT lengths to credit his atrocities to his religion. So do modern Christians. Nothing ever changes if you don't acknowledge this.

Not even close. Hitler got his anti-Semitism as a result of WW1 in which he believed the German people had been stabbed in the back by Jewish Capitalists and Marxists. Shame such a religious man persecuted the Churches and so many Christians died in the camps. He seemed to favour the Muslims though because of their fanaticism.

Why would I want to read Mein Kampf? I saw the results at Bergen-Belsen when serving with B.A.O.R in the 70’s. Have also seen the so called ‘Killing Fields’ in Choeung Ek, Cambodia and seen the mess of North Korea. Books are OK if you’re looking for information.

GrassrootsConservative
05-20-2014, 02:34 PM
Alright so you can't debate the facts as I have given and sourced them... words from the Christian man himself from a speech he made, vs your hearsay nonsense with no verifiable facts... Moving on then.

GrassrootsConservative
05-20-2014, 02:39 PM
Also you probably shouldn't bring up stuff you think might be in a book if you haven't read it. Just shows you're a pretentious twit, Mr. Bible-Humper. Especially when you make ridiculous claims anyone can find out are false.


Yes absolutely. Read all about it in Mein Kampf or the Communist Manifesto. Amazing what some people believe isn't it.

Not only is what you believe "amazing," it's also false and I find it extremely entertaining that you are recommending a book you admit to not having read.

Dr. Who
05-20-2014, 02:50 PM
Your dirty mind is working overtime. What does our 9th Commandment have to do with chastity? What does the showing off of my girlfriend's body
have to do with your misinterpretation of the Christian creed? It isn't as if she is exposing the goods, for we both know you wouldn't allow that on your
secularized forum.
Would you agree that liberals when taken in the aggregate have violated all ten of the commandments?
This post isn't about me; its about liberals violating all 10 of the commandments.
Funny - I found the same picture at fugly.com
http://www.fugly.com/media/IMAGES/Random/boy_toy_tshirt.jpg

Common Sense
05-20-2014, 02:52 PM
Funny - I found the same picture at fugly.com
http://www.fugly.com/media/IMAGES/Random/boy_toy_tshirt.jpg


Guess he has no problem with being a liar...

Cthulhu
05-20-2014, 03:12 PM
The conservative way, do as I say not as I do.

You're describing modern politics pretty accurately. Feinstein packs heat, but doesn't want us to. Also gets butt hurt when the NSA snoops on her, but doesn't care when it snoops on us.

Democrats/republicans/whatever. But modern politics is mired in dishonor.

Bob
05-20-2014, 04:02 PM
Hitler was Roman-Catholic who thought he was on the side of his god by avenging the death of jesus by exterminating the Jewish race. Not sure where you get the idea that he "abandoned Christianity."



The ideas of Christianity are almost parallel to those of Liberalism: Demonize and dehumanize the opposition and then destroy it when nobody cares about that specific group of people anymore. Christians did it with Native Americans, Liberals did it with blacks, Christians are doing it with Muslims now, Liberals are doing it with Christians now. It's all the same.

Liberals and Christians are the same fuckass lowlife scumbags, the only difference is Liberals worship the state and Christians worship the great pie in the sky.

/Edit: You mention Mein Kampf, but it's blatantly obvious you've never read it. Hitler goes to GREAT lengths to credit his atrocities to his religion. So do modern Christians. Nothing ever changes if you don't acknowledge this.
Adolf Hitler (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler) was raised by an anti-clerical, skeptic father and a devout Catholic mother. Baptized (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baptism) as an infant, confirmed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_(Catholic_Church)) at the age of fifteen, he ceased attendingMass (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass) and participating in the sacraments (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacrament) in later life.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler#cite_note-Michael_Rissmann_2001.2C_p._94-96-1) In adulthood, he became disdainful of Christianity, but in power was prepared to delay clashes with the churches out of political considerations.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler#cite_note-Bundle2-2) Hitler's architect Albert Speer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Speer) believed he had "no real attachment" to Catholicism, but that he had never formally left the Church. Unlike his comrade (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comrade) Joseph Goebbels (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Goebbels), Hitler was not excommunicated[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler#cite_note-3)prior to his suicide (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Adolf_Hitler). The biographer John Toland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Toland_(author)) noted Hitler's anticlericalism, but considered him still in "good standing" with the Church by 1941, while historians such as Ian Kershaw (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Kershaw), Joachim Fest (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joachim_Fest) and Alan Bullock (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Bullock) agree that Hitler was anti-Christian - a view evidenced by sources such as the Goebbels Diaries (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goebbels_Diaries), the memoirs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inside_the_Third_Reich)of Speer, and the transcripts edited by Martin Bormann (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Bormann) contained within Hitler's Table Talk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler%27s_Table_Talk).[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler#cite_note-4) Goebbels wrote in 1941 that Hitler "hates Christianity, because it has crippled all that is noble in humanity."[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler#cite_note-Fred_Taylor_Translation_pp.304-305-5) Many historians have come to the conclusion that Hitler's long term aim was the eradication of Christianity in Germany,[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler#cite_note-Bundle-6) while others maintain that there is insufficient evidence for such a plan.[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler#cite_note-Bundle3-7)

Bob
05-20-2014, 04:06 PM
It cracks me up when some maul Christians by claiming Hitler was one. Cracks me up.

Adolf Hitler (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler) was raised by an anti-clerical, skeptic father and a devout Catholic mother. Baptized (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baptism) as an infant, confirmed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_(Catholic_Church)) at the age of fifteen, he ceased attendingMass (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass) and participating in the sacraments (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacrament) in later life.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler#cite_note-Michael_Rissmann_2001.2C_p._94-96-1) In adulthood, he became disdainful of Christianity, but in power was prepared to delay clashes with the churches out of political considerations.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler#cite_note-Bundle2-2) Hitler's architect Albert Speer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Speer) believed he had "no real attachment" to Catholicism, but that he had never formally left the Church. Unlike his comrade (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comrade) Joseph Goebbels (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Goebbels), Hitler was not excommunicated[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler#cite_note-3)prior to his suicide (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Adolf_Hitler). The biographer John Toland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Toland_(author)) noted Hitler's anticlericalism, but considered him still in "good standing" with the Church by 1941, while historians such as Ian Kershaw (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Kershaw), Joachim Fest (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joachim_Fest) and Alan Bullock (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Bullock) agree that Hitler was anti-Christian - a view evidenced by sources such as the Goebbels Diaries (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goebbels_Diaries), the memoirs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inside_the_Third_Reich)of Speer, and the transcripts edited by Martin Bormann (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Bormann) contained within Hitler's Table Talk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler%27s_Table_Talk).[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler#cite_note-4) Goebbels wrote in 1941 that Hitler "hates Christianity, because it has crippled all that is noble in humanity."[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler#cite_note-Fred_Taylor_Translation_pp.304-305-5) Many historians have come to the conclusion that Hitler's long term aim was the eradication of Christianity in Germany,[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler#cite_note-Bundle-6) while others maintain that there is insufficient evidence for such a plan.[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler#cite_note-Bundle3-7)

Libhater
05-20-2014, 05:06 PM
Guess he has no problem with being a liar...

What lie, she pulls in some pretty good money from fugly.com

Common Sense
05-20-2014, 05:10 PM
What lie, she pulls in some pretty good money from fugly.com

...of course she does.

So does my girlfriend Kate Upton.

Bob
05-20-2014, 05:12 PM
What lie, she pulls in some pretty good money from fugly.com

That explains it.

Refugee
05-20-2014, 05:33 PM
Also you probably shouldn't bring up stuff you think might be in a book if you haven't read it. Just shows you're a pretentious twit, Mr. Bible-Humper. Especially when you make ridiculous claims anyone can find out are false.



Not only is what you believe "amazing," it's also false and I find it extremely entertaining that you are recommending a book you admit to not having read.

Whilst you’re at it, plough your way through some Marx, it’s also so different to reality. I’m not one of the believers – the BS from ideological politicians is as entertaining to me as the people who believe them. My point is that you don't have to read and believe what someone says, if what they do is in complete contradiction. Observe the facts before believing the theories?

Libhater
05-20-2014, 06:10 PM
...of course she does.

So does my girlfriend Kate Upton.


I see you have good taste as well. Good on you.

Dr. Who
05-20-2014, 06:39 PM
What lie, she pulls in some pretty good money from fugly.com
Fugly doesn't pay for images.

Bob
05-20-2014, 06:46 PM
Fugly doesn't pay for images.

Are you certain?

Dr. Who
05-20-2014, 06:48 PM
Are you certain?
They seem to take uploads from people and have a whole host of copyright rules. I can't see why they would pay for images, that they can get for free.

Green Arrow
05-20-2014, 06:51 PM
Is any of those ideas bad?

You tell me, kilgram. Are theft, lying, murder, and cheating on your spouse good?

kilgram
05-20-2014, 06:58 PM
You tell me, @kilgram (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=867). Are theft, lying, murder, and cheating on your spouse good?
If you ask me, I didn't read the OP, just partially. So I answered as normally I do to the nonsenses of libhater. Because the little I read it was that it looked, nonsense.

And, no, those things are not good. But as if any "liberal" or atheist would believe anything of those things are good. The OP was pure bullshit and I answered as it was deserved.

Bob
05-20-2014, 06:59 PM
They seem to take uploads from people and have a whole host of copyright rules. I can't see why they would pay for images, that they can get for free.

Models still can be paid.

Dr. Who
05-20-2014, 07:04 PM
Models still can be paid.
Sure, but if you check out the site, it seems to be rather informal and has facilities for uploading your own pics and videos. It also has an online forum. If it makes any money it's from advertising revenue. I've also seen the same pic on another forum (one for pictures), so it appears to be uncopyrighted.

Green Arrow
05-20-2014, 07:06 PM
Models still can be paid.

Bob, just stop. Libhater is a troll. He is not dating a model any more than I am dating the Queen of England.

Libhater
05-20-2014, 07:49 PM
Bob, just stop. Libhater is a troll. He is not dating a model any more than I am dating the Queen of England.


No one would expect you to date the queen of England, but many believe you could date the king of England.

Green Arrow
05-20-2014, 08:38 PM
Alright so you can't debate the facts as I have given and sourced them... words from the Christian man himself from a speech he made, vs your hearsay nonsense with no verifiable facts... Moving on then.

He's not wrong, GrassrootsConservative. Hitler was a hodge- podge of many things. His beliefs were formed from Christianity, Occultism, socialism, capitalism, and a host of others. It's naive to suggest that he was the product of only one or two ideologies.

Mister D
05-20-2014, 08:47 PM
Is there a biographer of Hitler who claims he was a motivated by Christianity?

Green Arrow
05-20-2014, 09:10 PM
Is there a biographer of Hitler who claims he was a motivated by Christianity?

I don't know, but it features heavily in his speeches and writings. He appeared to have a respect for Catholicism, which I share. I suspect some people only point this out in a pathetic attempt to tar Christianity with the same brush as Nazism, however, which makes their adherence to truth dishonest.

Spectre
05-20-2014, 09:14 PM
I don't know, but it features heavily in his speeches and writings. He appeared to have a respect for Catholicism, which I share. I suspect some people only point this out in a pathetic attempt to tar Christianity with the same bruah as Nazism, however, which makes their adherence to truth dishonest.

If you've ever read 'Hitler's Table Talk'--I don't even know if it's still in print--it's pretty plain that Hitler was a believer in science [as he understood it, and that poorly] and Darwinism above all things. He HATED HATED HATED Catholicism, but respected its power and influence.

Mister D
05-20-2014, 09:17 PM
I don't know, but it features heavily in his speeches and writings. He appeared to have a respect for Catholicism, which I share. I suspect some people only point this out in a pathetic attempt to tar Christianity with the same bruah as Nazism, however, which makes their adherence to truth dishonest.

He was vying power in a predominately Christian country. What else would you expect? If I pointed to one of Obama's speeches as proof he believed something the phony right said he didn't they'd laugh me out of the room. Oh, he's a patriot. See, he said so to a crowd in Ohio. Yeah, I'm sure that would go over well. :rollseyes:

Anyway, yeah, this is all rather goofy and is exactly as you describe (i.e. pathetic and dishonest).

Green Arrow
05-20-2014, 09:20 PM
He was vying power in a predominately Christian country. What else would you expect? If I pointed to one of Obama's speeches as proof he believed something the phony right said he didn't they'd laugh me out of the room. Oh, he's a patriot. See, he said so to a crowd in Ohio. Yeah, I'm sure that would go over well. :rollseyes:

Anyway, yeah, this is all rather goofy and is exactly as you describe (i.e. pathetic and dishonest).

I have never said Hitler was a Christian, only that Christianity was part of his hodge-podge Frankenphilosophy. Which it was, along with many other beliefs, including my own paganism. It's not a bad thing, it just is what it is.

Green Arrow
05-20-2014, 09:20 PM
If you've ever read 'Hitler's Table Talk'--I don't even know if it's still in print--it's pretty plain that Hitler was a believer in science [as he understood it, and that poorly] and Darwinism above all things. He HATED HATED HATED Catholicism, but respected its power and influence.

Which is what I said, almost verbatim.

Spectre
05-20-2014, 09:21 PM
I believe that occultism was more popular with some of Hitler's underlings, like Himmler, rather than Hitler himself.

Spectre
05-20-2014, 09:23 PM
Which is what I said, almost verbatim.

Just cementing and locking down what you said, not challenging.

Dude, I'm not always hostile!:laugh:

Mister D
05-20-2014, 09:23 PM
If you've ever read 'Hitler's Table Talk'--I don't even know if it's still in print--it's pretty plain that Hitler was a believer in science [as he understood it, and that poorly] and Darwinism above all things. He HATED HATED HATED Catholicism, but respected its power and influence.

That is to be taken with a grain of salt. It's not terribly reliable. Private statements by his cohorts carry more weight.

“The Führer is deeply religious, but deeply anti-Christian. He regards Christianity as a symptom of decay.”

Diary of Joseph Goebbels

"You see, it’s been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn’t we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?"

Adolf Hitler as reported by Albert Speer

Mister D
05-20-2014, 09:24 PM
I believe that occultism was more popular with some of Hitler's underlings, like Himmler, rather than Hitler himself.

Agreed. Hitler thought it was all kind of silly.

Mister D
05-20-2014, 09:27 PM
I have never said Hitler was a Christian, only that Christianity was part of his hodge-podge Frankenphilosophy. Which it was, along with many other beliefs, including my own paganism. It's not a bad thing, it just is what it is.

I didn't say you did. I wasn't thinking of you. Hitler believed in God or some kind of divine Providence. That's really about as far as you can take it.

Green Arrow
05-20-2014, 09:34 PM
I didn't say you did. I wasn't thinking of you. Hitler believed in God or some kind of divine Providence. That's really about as far as you can take it.

I would agree with this.

Refugee
05-20-2014, 10:42 PM
He's not wrong, @GrassrootsConservative (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=478). Hitler was a hodge- podge of many things. His beliefs were formed from Christianity, Occultism, socialism, capitalism, and a host of others. It's naive to suggest that he was the product of only one or two ideologies.

Many of his race and eugenics theories came from early American progressivism.

Green Arrow
05-20-2014, 11:21 PM
Many of his race and eugenics theories came from early American progressivism.

There's no evidence of that. There is evidence, however, that Hitler's views on eugenics were inspired by ancient Sparta, which he considered the first "Völkisch State."

Hitler did model the Nazi eugenics programs off American eugenics programs, but not the theories.

Refugee
05-21-2014, 12:04 AM
There's no evidence of that.
Hitler did model the Nazi eugenics programs off American eugenics programs, but not the theories.

"Many of his race and eugenics theories came from early American progressivism."

"There's no evidence of that.”

“Hitler did model the Nazi eugenics programs off American eugenics programs . . .”

Yes, something like that.

Have a look at early American progressivism, particularly Sanger. Hitler wasn't a genius, he simply took ideas and built National Socialism from what he found elsewhere.

GrassrootsConservative
05-21-2014, 12:10 AM
He's not wrong, @GrassrootsConservative (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=478). Hitler was a hodge- podge of many things. His beliefs were formed from Christianity, Occultism, socialism, capitalism, and a host of others.

He said he "abandoned Christianity." But that is not true, as I have shown. I never said he was strictly Christian, but to deny that he was a Christian is to deny the truth. Truth deniers will be called out, I'm sorry if you take offense to that. You can deny the truth as well. That doesn't change it. He was wrong. So are you if you think he's not wrong.


It's naive to suggest that he was the product of only one or two ideologies.

Where did I suggest such a thing? Which exact post and if you can quote the phrase so I can see it. I must have missed it.

You people are going to have to do better than make up bullshit out of the blue if you want to debate me on this topic, sorry.

Green Arrow
05-21-2014, 12:17 AM
He said he "abandoned Christianity." But that is not true, as I have shown. I never said he was strictly Christian, but to deny that he was a Christian is to deny the truth. Truth deniers will be called out, I'm sorry if you take offense to that. You can deny the truth as well. That doesn't change it. He was wrong. So are you if you think he's not wrong.

Hitler had no clear allegiance to Christianity, and his actions went against Christian teaching. Ergo, he was not a Christian. I respect a number of things about Christianity, that does not make me a Christian.

You are wrong, because you extend "inspired by/respected" into "adhered to." Hitler was not a Christian, just as he was not a socialist, a capitalist, a Muslim, an occultist, etc.

GrassrootsConservative
05-21-2014, 12:20 AM
Which of his actions went against Christian teachings?


Hitler had no clear allegiance to Christianity

Did you read my quote from his speech?

GrassrootsConservative
05-21-2014, 12:25 AM
"
My feelings as a Christian "
-Hitler

Makes it pretty clear who his allegiance is to.

Green Arrow
05-21-2014, 12:26 AM
Which of his actions went against Christian teachings?

Murdering millions of innocent people based on racism and bigotry isn't exactly loving your neighbor as yourself. Making war on Europe isn't being a peacemaker. Murdeeing fellow Christians is also a no-no.


Did you read my quote from his speech?

Yes. It means nothing, unless you believe every word of Obama's speeches is true.

GrassrootsConservative
05-21-2014, 12:38 AM
Murdering millions of innocent people based on racism and bigotry isn't exactly loving your neighbor as yourself.

No, but you are picking and choosing Christian beliefs. Here is one from Acts that his actions DO follow:


http://biblehub.com/acts/3-23.htm
English Standard Version (http://biblehub.com/esv/acts/3.htm)
And it shall be that every soul who does not listen to that prophet shall be destroyed from the people.’

You see, the Christian bible is full of many contradictions and other ridiculous errors. You cannot say he didn't follow Christian beliefs because there are many he did. According to Christian beliefs, he was right to attempt to annihilate followers of the Jewish religion, as sad as that may be. They do not follow Jesus, so Christians are called to exterminate them.


Making war on Europe isn't being a peacemaker. Murdeeing fellow Christians is also a no-no.

I'll give you those two, but maybe he realized other Christians were not following Christian beliefs by not helping him with his genocide?




Yes. It means nothing, unless you believe every word of Obama's speeches is true.

Apples and oranges, my friend. Obama is an established liar. Hitler really WAS against "Jewish poison," as he called it, and his actions proved it. Obama may not be as bad as Hitler, but he is a liar.

GrassrootsConservative
05-21-2014, 12:44 AM
Ignore this post

Green Arrow
05-21-2014, 12:48 AM
Based on that thread, you would be voting for Hitler, the honest politician with views against yours. I hope you realize several mistakes of yours from this post. You are welcome.

I know you think this was very clever, but it's not. It's disgusting and shameful. Do not call me "friend" ever again, and I will no longer be communicating with you.

GrassrootsConservative
05-21-2014, 12:53 AM
I wasn't trying to imply anything. Just driving a point home. I will edit that part out if it offends you so much, and if you still want to stop talking to me I won't be upset. Not trying to burn bridges, though.

Sometimes honesty is brutal. If you just look at honesty sometimes it will kick you in the ass. Do you think a person's actions are moral? That should be taken into account as well.