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ChoppedLiver
05-24-2014, 11:41 AM
Another shooting by a deranged liberal in California. Watch the video he made (watch it quick as it may be taken down) and you can CLEARLY see that this murderer has the mentality of a liberal who didn't get what he believed he deserves and is entitled to...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_Au4lYyOKw

7 dead in California shooting rampage called 'premeditated mass murder'

(CNN) -- A gunman described as mentally disturbed and possibly bent on retribution sprayed bullets from a slow-moving car in a small Southern California college town, killing six people in a rampage called "premeditated mass murder," Santa Barbara County sheriff's deputies said Saturday.
The gunman also died from a gunshot wound after his car crashed Friday night, police said. It was unclear if the fatal head wound was self-inflicted or the result of a firefight with police.
Seven people also were being treated in a hospital for gunshot wounds or traumatic injuries, including at least one who was in surgery, said sheriff's office spokeswoman Kelly Hoover.
"The sheriff's office has obtained and is currently analyzing written and video evidence that suggests this was a premeditated mass murder," Hoover said.

Hoover apparently was referring to a YouTube video titled "Retribution" posted by a young man. In the nearly seven-minute video, the young man rants about women who ignored or rejected him over the past eight years and warns that he will "punish you all for it."
"Tomorrow is the day of retribution, the day in which I will have my revenge," the man says on the video.
The shootings occurred in Isla Vista near the University of California, Santa Barbara, in a crowded area bustling with activity on Memorial Day weekend.

Read more...

http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/24/justice/california-shooting-deaths/




:cool:

Matty
05-24-2014, 12:02 PM
Is that for real? He sure as hell doesn't even seem passionate enough to commit mass murder.

ChoppedLiver
05-24-2014, 12:44 PM
Is that for real? He sure as hell doesn't even seem passionate enough to commit mass murder.

It's real, Matalese. And it's DECIDEDLY a liberal perp.

:cool:

The Sage of Main Street
05-24-2014, 01:26 PM
Another shooting by a deranged liberal in California. Watch the video he made (watch it quick as it may be taken down) and you can CLEARLY see that this murderer has the mentality of a liberal who didn't get what he believed he deserves and is entitled to... 7 dead in California shooting rampage called 'premeditated mass murder' (CNN) -- A gunman sprayed bullets from a slow-moving car in a small Southern California college town, killing six people in a rampage called "premeditated mass murder, Hoover apparently was referring to a YouTube video titled "Retribution" posted by a young man. In the nearly seven-minute video, the young man rants about women who ignored or rejected him over the past eight years and warns that he will "punish you all for it." " Read more... :cool: "Liberal"? But Liberals are gungrabbers and hate weapons so much they'd never own one! Also, Liberals get laid all the time because they have no morals and can easily convince slutty Liberal bimbos that they are cool rebels! Get your talking points straight!

exotix
05-24-2014, 02:14 PM
Another shooting by a deranged liberal in California.

Watch the video he made (watch it quick as it may be taken down) and you can CLEARLY see that this murderer has the mentality of a liberal who didn't get what he believed he deserves and is entitled to...
You sir ... are an asshole.

Alyosha
05-24-2014, 02:20 PM
so he couldn't get laid and decides to kill people? maybe all those guys weren't lying about the effects of blue balls?

The Xl
05-24-2014, 02:25 PM
There was always porn, brah. There was always porn.

Or prostitutes. Or waiting until 3AM in the morning when the bar is about to close and that one fat chick is left.

Mainecoons
05-24-2014, 02:44 PM
Liberals think they're entitled to chicks now? Or is this just a nut job that has nothing to do with political ideology?

Things and people are just getting loonier and loonier up there.

Peter1469
05-24-2014, 02:58 PM
Video looks like a game. It shouldn't be in Latest Happenings.

exotix
05-24-2014, 03:08 PM
Video looks like a game. It shouldn't be in Latest Happenings.
Rodger's own parents alerted police to the distressing videos their son posted to YouTube

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/suspected-gunman-california-rampage-identified-elliot-rodger-n113841

Alan Schifman, an attorney for Rodger's father, Peter Rodger, confirmed to NBC News on Saturday that Rodger was the man suspected of having killed six people and wounded seven others Friday night as he stalked the streets of Isla Vista, firing seemingly at random.

Perianne
05-24-2014, 03:11 PM
Or waiting until 3AM in the morning when the bar is about to close and that one fat chick is left.

Xl, you are terrible! lol

momsapplepie
05-24-2014, 03:39 PM
I see he learned well from our leaders, Blame someone else!

exotix
05-24-2014, 03:44 PM
Liberals think they're entitled to chicks now? Or is this just a nut job that has nothing to do with political ideology?

Things and people are just getting loonier and loonier up there.
I see he learned well from our leaders, Blame someone else!
What's with the assholes today ... is this *Come out all ye assholes* day today ?

Perianne
05-24-2014, 03:45 PM
Just speaking from a girl's view, the guy was creepy.

Kalkin
05-24-2014, 03:47 PM
Is it okay call other members assholes here? That's awesome!

Mister D
05-24-2014, 03:50 PM
You sir ... are an asshole.

Wait...aren't you the guy who exploits every firearm related tragedy?

Matty
05-24-2014, 03:50 PM
What's with the assholes today ... is this *Come out all ye assholes* day today ?
I see you here.

Mister D
05-24-2014, 03:50 PM
What's with the assholes today ... is this *Come out all ye assholes* day today ?

You're just mad that some other vulture got to the carcass first.

Perianne
05-24-2014, 03:51 PM
Is it okay call other members assholes here? That's awesome!

No, Kalkin, and don't you start that.

Matty
05-24-2014, 03:51 PM
Is it okay call other members assholes here? That's awesome!
Yep, and dirtbags too.

Perianne
05-24-2014, 03:51 PM
You're just mad that some other vulture got to the carcass first.

lol......hahahahaha, very clever, Mister D!

exotix
05-24-2014, 03:53 PM
Wait...aren't you the guy who exploits every firearm related tragedy?
Is it okay call other members assholes here? That's awesome!
This is personal for me ... Santa Barbara is my second home ... before doing a 2 quarters at UCSB I went to SBCC for a semester ... Isla Vista is a college town totally laid back ...

Only winggunnut teabaggers blame every massacre on Libs ... they are as disturbed as mass-murderers ... such as yourselves.

Alyosha
05-24-2014, 03:55 PM
Woooo, no you didn't! exotix, you're being bad today. Bad, bad exotix!

Matty
05-24-2014, 03:57 PM
This is personal for me ... Santa Barbara is my second home ... before doing a 2 quarters at UCSB I went to SBCC for a semester ... Isla Vista is a college town totally laid back ...

Only winggunnut teabaggers blame every massacre on Libs ... they are as disturbed as mass-murderers ... such as yourselves.
Oh I remember when you guys blamed the gabby Giffords shooting on the tea party and Palin. Don't like it? Don't dish it.

exotix
05-24-2014, 03:59 PM
Oh I remember when you guys blamed the gabby Giffords shooting on the tea party and Palin. Don't like it? Don't dish it.
I am dishing it out ditz.

Matty
05-24-2014, 04:00 PM
I am dishing it out ditz.
No, you are whining. Futz.

BB-35
05-24-2014, 04:26 PM
You sir ... are an asshole.

look who's talking!

Mister D
05-24-2014, 04:29 PM
This is personal for me ... Santa Barbara is my second home ... before doing a 2 quarters at UCSB I went to SBCC for a semester ... Isla Vista is a college town totally laid back ...

Only winggunnut teabaggers blame every massacre on Libs ... they are as disturbed as mass-murderers ... such as yourselves.

Your sense of decency is a stranger to us. It should show up more often.

BB-35
05-24-2014, 04:29 PM
What's with the assholes today ... is this *Come out all ye assholes* day today ?

You recognize yourself,do you?

Kalkin
05-24-2014, 04:48 PM
No, Kalkin, and don't you start that.
I'm more of a pie thrower.

Kalkin
05-24-2014, 04:49 PM
This is personal for me ... Santa Barbara is my second home ... before doing a 2 quarters at UCSB I went to SBCC for a semester ... Isla Vista is a college town totally laid back ... Only winggunnut teabaggers blame every massacre on Libs ... they are as disturbed as mass-murderers ... such as yourselves.I'm a disturbed mass murderer? wut?Who does your hair, the play-doh spaghetti kid?http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk302/piera78/h-1.jpg

Chris
05-24-2014, 04:52 PM
This is personal for me ... Santa Barbara is my second home ... before doing a 2 quarters at UCSB I went to SBCC for a semester ... Isla Vista is a college town totally laid back ...

Only winggunnut teabaggers blame every massacre on Libs ... they are as disturbed as mass-murderers ... such as yourselves.



As opposed to your posting every mass murder to blame the right. That's being just as much what you called the OP, which I think wrongly blames the left. The killer was psycho.

Mainecoons
05-24-2014, 04:57 PM
Exo, it depresses me to think that you have had any college education. You are a functional illiterate and clearly have some serious mental issues that are manifested in very extremist thinking and posting.

Go get help before you shoot someone.

The Xl
05-24-2014, 05:02 PM
Lol at exotix pulling this card of all people.

Mr. Right
05-24-2014, 05:42 PM
What a numb nut. This is just one more example of an idiot with a gun. The family warned authorities, but they did NOTHING. 7 victims. So senseless.

Piss off Elliot Rodger. We're glad you're dead.

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/shooting-isla-vista-uc-santa-barbara-260505021.html

Mr. Right
05-24-2014, 05:44 PM
Scuse me, Barbara.... duh.

Bob
05-24-2014, 05:57 PM
"Liberal"? But Liberals are gungrabbers and hate weapons so much they'd never own one! Also, Liberals get laid all the time because they have no morals and can easily convince slutty Liberal bimbos that they are cool rebels! Get your talking points straight!

Most are that way.

Not all.

Yes Scotty, they do kill humans. Far too many of the left simply love killing.

Bob
05-24-2014, 06:01 PM
You sir ... are an asshole.

Don't be so hard on your brother.

Bob
05-24-2014, 06:02 PM
so he couldn't get laid and decides to kill people? maybe all those guys weren't lying about the effects of blue balls?
Alyosha

You fell for that excuse?

Bob
05-24-2014, 06:05 PM
I really enjoy Santa Barbara. Too bad they had such an awful event happen there.

For those who plan to go there, drive up to the massive adobe mission. We have one in my town but it is tiny compared to that mission.

7591

Bob
05-24-2014, 06:09 PM
What's with the assholes today ... is this *Come out all ye assholes* day today ?

Must be since you showed up and are the only poster saying this.

Bob
05-24-2014, 06:15 PM
This is personal for me ... Santa Barbara is my second home ... before doing a 2 quarters at UCSB I went to SBCC for a semester ... Isla Vista is a college town totally laid back ...

Only winggunnut teabaggers blame every massacre on Libs ... they are as disturbed as mass-murderers ... such as yourselves.


Boo fugin hoo

You live in Alabama.

I have spent weekends at Santa Barbara but don't run around screaming ass hole at posters.

Unlike you, I stuck it out in this democrat hell hole because of the climate and wonderful places to visit.

When I was in Alabama, I saw nothing to stay there for. Not even Mobile.

Most mass murder is done by the left. Bet your paycheck on that one.

Codename Section
05-24-2014, 06:31 PM
Eufala Alabama is beautiful.

Mr. Right
05-24-2014, 06:49 PM
Boo fugin hoo

You live in Alabama.

I have spent weekends at Santa Barbara but don't run around screaming ass hole at posters.

Unlike you, I stuck it out in this democrat hell hole because of the climate and wonderful places to visit.

When I was in Alabama, I saw nothing to stay there for. Not even Mobile.

Most mass murder is done by the left. Bet your paycheck on that one.

Bob, did you ever visit Gulf Shores, Orange Beach, or laid back country Robertsdale? All fine places, Sir.
And yes, it does seem that radicals with guns do account for the greatest portion of mass murders. This whiney brat had a shiney new Beamer, and he wasn't ugly. He just thought women were supposed to flock to him. Entitlement, entitlement, entitlement.

Bob
05-24-2014, 06:51 PM
Eufala Alabama is beautiful.

Climate no doubt sucks.

Codename Section
05-24-2014, 06:57 PM
Climate no doubt sucks.

I was born and bred on the Gulf Coast and I love it.

Matty
05-24-2014, 07:23 PM
Eufala Alabama is beautiful.


Bass fishing. When I did my cross country I had to land and fuel up there.

zelmo1234
05-24-2014, 09:38 PM
"Liberal"? But Liberals are gungrabbers and hate weapons so much they'd never own one! Also, Liberals get laid all the time because they have no morals and can easily convince slutty Liberal bimbos that they are cool rebels! Get your talking points straight!

Liberals have never hated guns! They just want there side to be the only one with guns!

That is what people do not understand! Liberals are responsible for the worse mass murders in the history of the world?

zelmo1234
05-24-2014, 09:41 PM
What's with the assholes today ... is this *Come out all ye assholes* day today ?

This is from the person that called Zimmerman everything in the book and anyone that supported him, even worse.

But when the shoe is on the other foot??? Well then Exotix wants everyone to be fair and not so mean?

Typical!

zelmo1234
05-24-2014, 09:41 PM
Wait...aren't you the guy who exploits every firearm related tragedy?

That would be the one!

zelmo1234
05-24-2014, 09:45 PM
This is personal for me ... Santa Barbara is my second home ... before doing a 2 quarters at UCSB I went to SBCC for a semester ... Isla Vista is a college town totally laid back ...

Only winggunnut teabaggers blame every massacre on Libs ... they are as disturbed as mass-murderers ... such as yourselves.

AWWW! poor baby!

You are the one that blames ever shooting on right wingers. You are the one that preaches guns are bad.

You are the one that will make up anything to try and blame others for violence.

here is a clear example of what the left is all about? So you have better Cowboy UP little man because you are about to get slapped with the truth once again.

When liberals don't get there way they are dangerous, they always have been

zelmo1234
05-24-2014, 09:50 PM
Boo fugin hoo

You live in Alabama.

I have spent weekends at Santa Barbara but don't run around screaming ass hole at posters.

Unlike you, I stuck it out in this democrat hell hole because of the climate and wonderful places to visit.

When I was in Alabama, I saw nothing to stay there for. Not even Mobile.

Most mass murder is done by the left. Bet your paycheck on that one.

Bet hos paycheck? you actually thin that Exotix works? :) that it the funniest thing in this thread

Don
05-24-2014, 10:54 PM
The guy was just an over privileged punk who didn't have the privilege of getting even one girl to have anything to do with him. He was a social failure and those girls had to pay for it. He said so. That's what's wrong with this country. Its not guns. Its not gun nuts. Its just nutty people. It will be interesting to see if he was using psychotropic drugs.

Professor Peabody
05-25-2014, 02:48 AM
I see he learned well from our leaders, Blame someone else!

I think Bill Clinton did both.

Heyduke
05-25-2014, 03:44 AM
I read the transcript of the video. It's entirely apolitical.

Peter1469
05-25-2014, 03:50 AM
The video in the OP has been removed. Something about spam.

Spectre
05-25-2014, 10:54 AM
I've got fifty bucks that says before the week is out Negative1 will make his first post...:

1} 'Demonstrating' that no such killing spree took place and no one died, and...

2} no such person as Elliot Rodger has ever existed.


You know this is coming from the forum schizo, people!:wink:

Heyduke
05-25-2014, 11:01 AM
The guy was just an over privileged punk who didn't have the privilege of getting even one girl to have anything to do with him. He was a social failure and those girls had to pay for it. He said so. That's what's wrong with this country. Its not guns. Its not gun nuts. Its just nutty people. It will be interesting to see if he was using psychotropic drugs.

In his manifesto, he talks about ending his life with his remaining supply of Xanax.
He was diagnosed as a high-functioning Aspergers guy, so he was presumably being treated by a psychologist. He says that whatever tiny bit of a social life he once had ended when he started playing video games. He says he stopped caring about everything and immersed himself in a World of Warcraft.

Seems to be the common denominator; Mental disorder combined with psychiatric drugs combined with social-media comparison syndrome combined with social awkwardness in a hyper-socialized world. Toss in a side of murder simulator (violent video games) for good measure, and access to hella weapons.

Spectre
05-25-2014, 11:03 AM
Seems to be the common denominator; Mental disorder combined with psychiatric drugs combined with social-media comparison syndrome combined with social awkwardness in a hyper-socialized world.

I'll bet the drug angle will be a big one, I'm guessing. The number of people on powerful psychotropic drugs these days is frightening.

exotix
05-25-2014, 11:13 AM
"Chris died because of craven, irresponsible politicians and the NRA"

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/isla-vista-rampage/stop-madness-isla-vista-victims-dad-rails-against-gun-lobby-n114116

~ Richard Martinez — the father of a 20-year-old victim of the rampage unleashed by Elliot Rodger


Video Inside

http://media3.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2014_21/465651/140525-richard-martinez-isla-vista-1045a_cc21a83f67ac0ea27b44e377cdfc19aa.nbcnews-fp-1680-600.jpg

Codename Section
05-25-2014, 11:16 AM
Chris died because two parents raised an asshole kid.

Chris
05-25-2014, 11:19 AM
"Chris died because of craven, irresponsible politicians and the NRA"

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/isla-vista-rampage/stop-madness-isla-vista-victims-dad-rails-against-gun-lobby-n114116

~ Richard Martinez — the father of a 20-year-old victim of the rampage unleashed by Elliot Rodger


Video Inside

http://media3.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2014_21/465651/140525-richard-martinez-isla-vista-1045a_cc21a83f67ac0ea27b44e377cdfc19aa.nbcnews-fp-1680-600.jpg



And here we have exo returning to his usual exploitation of tragedy for political purposes for which he called the OP an asshole.

Heyduke
05-25-2014, 11:22 AM
I'll bet the drug angle will be a big one, I'm guessing. The number of people on powerful psychotropic drugs these days is frightening.

With Lanza and the Batman killer, the media and authorities kept their prescriptions secret as best they could, so as not to discourage people from taking their pills.
"The State of Connecticut is refusing to release Sandy Hook gunman Adam Lanza’s medical records over fears that divulging the identity of the antidepressants he was taking would, “cause a lot of people to stop taking their medications,” according to Assistant Attorney General Patrick B. Kwanashie."

My guess is that the gun control angle will be the headliner, and the drugs/games/social-media disorder angles will be swept under the rug, because that's how these cases always play.

exotix
05-25-2014, 11:22 AM
And here we have exo returning to his usual exploitation of tragedy for political purposes for which he called the OP an asshole.
Lapierre will be along shortly to remind you that this ... another massacre ... like the ones before and the next ones ... are the Libs fault ... like the OP said and assholes like you.

Bob
05-25-2014, 11:23 AM
And here we have exo returning to his usual exploitation of tragedy for political purposes for which he called the OP an asshole.

That is like blaming Mercedes of Germany or Henry Ford for being in a killer auto crash.

Bob
05-25-2014, 11:24 AM
Lapierre will be along shortly to remind you that this ... another massacre ... like the ones before and the next ones ... are the Libs fault ... like the OP said and assholes like you.

You enjoy this shit.

Codename Section
05-25-2014, 11:25 AM
Lapierre will be along shortly to remind you that this ... another massacre ... like the ones before and the next ones ... are the Libs fault ... like the OP said and assholes like you.

How would you get rid of guns when they are easy to make? All you'll do is put guns in the hands of criminals and people would be truly dangerous with them.

But I get it, it's easier than rolling back the cultural changes that have made kids so violent to begin with. And yeh, that's the outcomes of anything goes parenting and buying stuff over spending time with them.

How many of these kids are homeschooled versus how many come from over-affluent parents or broken homes?

Chris
05-25-2014, 11:29 AM
Lapierre will be along shortly to remind you that this ... another massacre ... like the ones before and the next ones ... are the Libs fault ... like the OP said and assholes like you.


I acknowledged earlier this has nothing to do with libs either, exo. Your frantic name calling is misplaced.

Chris
05-25-2014, 11:30 AM
That is like blaming Mercedes of Germany or Henry Ford for being in a killer auto crash.



No kidding. It's pure emotional idiocy. Thus the childish name calling.

Bob
05-25-2014, 11:33 AM
In his manifesto, he talks about ending his life with his remaining supply of Xanax.
He was diagnosed as a high-functioning Aspergers guy, so he was presumably being treated by a psychologist. He says that whatever tiny bit of a social life he once had ended when he started playing video games. He says he stopped caring about everything and immersed himself in a World of Warcraft.

Seems to be the common denominator; Mental disorder combined with psychiatric drugs combined with social-media comparison syndrome combined with social awkwardness in a hyper-socialized world. Toss in a side of murder simulator (violent video games) for good measure, and access to hella weapons.

He stabbed his first 3 victims to death. Funny how Exo is not going crazy about knives.

exotix
05-25-2014, 11:39 AM
How would you get rid of guns when they are easy to make? All you'll do is put guns in the hands of criminals and people would be truly dangerous with them.

But I get it, it's easier than rolling back the cultural changes that have made kids so violent to begin with. And yeh, that's the outcomes of anything goes parenting and buying stuff over spending time with them.

How many of these kids are homeschooled versus how many come from over-affluent parents or broken homes?
Niether the cops nor the NRA did anything about this mentally-ill mass-murderer ... despite being warned a month ago.

So your blaming Libs and everybody and everything else but guns ... is noted.

Bob
05-25-2014, 11:41 AM
Niether the cops nor the NRA did anything about this mentally-ill mass-murderer ... despite being warned a month ago.

So your blaming Libs and everything else but guns ... is noted.

Where does his parents factor into your buzzed thinking today?

exotix
05-25-2014, 11:42 AM
Where does his parents factor into your buzzed thinking today?
You are a cantankerous 'ol fool that I would laugh at if it wasn't for this tragedy.

Spectre
05-25-2014, 11:46 AM
With Lanza and the Batman killer, the media and authorities kept their prescriptions secret as best they could, so as not to discourage people from taking their pills.
"The State of Connecticut is refusing to release Sandy Hook gunman Adam Lanza’s medical records over fears that divulging the identity of the antidepressants he was taking would, “cause a lot of people to stop taking their medications,” according to Assistant Attorney General Patrick B. Kwanashie."

My guess is that the gun control angle will be the headliner, and the drugs/games/social-media disorder angles will be swept under the rug, because that's how these cases always play.

This is one of the great, even massive, subterranean problems that no one wants to deal with: a toxic combination of psychiatric pharmaceuticals, video games and social media.

I have had fairly recent personal experience with this: a few months ago I broke up with a woman that was spiraling downwards on a massive Effexor prescription and a horrible obsession with WoW. It was not a pleasant experience. All attempts by me to pull her out of it were resented and construed as 'bullying'. There was nothing more I could do.

These things are destroying hundreds of thousands, maybe millions, of people.

Chris
05-25-2014, 11:46 AM
Niether the cops nor the NRA did anything about this mentally-ill mass-murderer ... despite being warned a month ago.

So your blaming Libs and everybody and everything else but guns ... is noted.



And the hypocrisy of your exploiting this tragedy to blame guns has as well been noted.

Chris
05-25-2014, 11:48 AM
This is one of the great, even massive, subterranean problems that no one wants to deal with: a toxic combination of psychiatric pharmaceuticals, video games and social media.

I have had fairly recent personal experience with this: a few months ago I broke up with a woman that was spiraling downwards on a massive Effexor prescription and a horrible obsession with WoW. It was not a pleasant experience. All attempts by me to pull her out of it were resented and construed as 'bullying'. There was nothing more I could do.

These things are destroying hundreds of thousands, maybe millions, of people.



Psychology has looked at those things you want to blame and come up empty. Or have there been new findings to support your contention over, say, exo's blaming guns?

Spectre
05-25-2014, 11:51 AM
Psychology has looked at those things you want to blame and come up empty. Or have there been new findings to support your contention over, say, exo's blaming guns?

You mean that the same profession that is pushing these drugs have discovered nothing amiss with them?

What a shock!:laugh:

BB-35
05-25-2014, 11:52 AM
Niether the cops nor the NRA did anything about this mentally-ill mass-murderer ... despite being warned a month ago.

So your blaming Libs and everybody and everything else but guns ... is noted.

Why would the NRA be aware of him?
Half his victims were stabbed
And he used his car to run people down...

Chris
05-25-2014, 11:56 AM
You mean that the same profession that is pushing these drugs have discovered nothing amiss with them?

What a shock!:laugh:


Uh, spectre, that psychiatry that uses chemical cures. Sarcasm fail.

The point is like the OP, like exo, you too have something you dislike, you disapprove of, and somehow rationalize it as the cause of mass murders. Such stories are entertaining, but not realistic.

exotix
05-25-2014, 11:57 AM
And the hypocrisy of your exploiting this tragedy to blame guns has as well been noted.
No sweat ... commence to remind us of your 2nd Amendment Rights ... and how they are getting attacked ... as usual ... after every firearms-massacre.

Spectre
05-25-2014, 12:00 PM
Uh, spectre, that psychiatry that uses chemical cures. Sarcasm fail.

The point is like the OP, like exo, you too have something you dislike, you disapprove of, and somehow rationalize it as the cause of mass murders. Such stories are entertaining, but not realistic.

The fact that millions of brains are being seriously rewired by chemical means in ways that are very poorly understood should be of concern to you, Chris.

It's been a common thread in most of these recent spree shootings.

Don
05-25-2014, 12:03 PM
He stabbed his first 3 victims to death. Funny how Exo is not going crazy about knives.

He also purposefully hit at least 2 bicyclists with his car.

Heyduke
05-25-2014, 12:13 PM
Psychology has looked at those things you want to blame and come up empty. Or have there been new findings to support your contention over, say, exo's blaming guns?

Psychology (the profession) is not going to turn itself in. There isn't going to be any investigation. The media is disproportionately sponsored by Big Pharma. Watch NBC nightly news, with a dozen drug commercials, and then listen to their in-house medical expert.

Lanza's medical records have been sealed. The Columbine killers and Batman killer James Holmes were on Zoloft, among other things. Navy Yard gunman Aaron Alexis was on Trazodone, among other things.

http://wp.rxisk.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/RxISK-Guide-to-Stopping-Antidepressants.pdf

With video games, I think maybe this is the first wave of elementary school kids obsessed with violent games. For most kids, they'll continue to distinguish between reality and fantasy, but the isolated autistic kid on crazy drugs sitting in front of a blood-soaked screen for 10 hours a day shooting virtual people might become a problem.

Clearly, from everything this latest shooter said, he had extreme Obsessive Comparison Disorder, which is enhanced by social-media.
"The Internet and TV takes your Prius-Sized Comparison Problem and turns it into a Hummer..."

"In fact, not only does Facebook cause depression, it also causes what’s known as the “fear of missing out.”"
http://guardianlv.com/2013/08/facebook-causes-depression-new-study-says/

Chris
05-25-2014, 12:19 PM
No sweat ... commence to remind us of your 2nd Amendment Rights ... and how they are getting attacked ... as usual ... after every firearms-massacre.


I really admire your ability to beat the hay out of straw men!!

Like spectre, challenged, instead of providing any scientific evidence for your advocacy, you resort to mocking sarcasm. It's truly convincing. LOL.

Chris
05-25-2014, 12:20 PM
The fact that millions of brains are being seriously rewired by chemical means in ways that are very poorly understood should be of concern to you, Chris.

It's been a common thread in most of these recent spree shootings.



You're merely repeating your rationalized claim. Go get some evidence. The fact that some like you point to drugs, video games, social media...guns, it only evidence people like to rationalize to advocate their preferences.

Bob
05-25-2014, 12:22 PM
He also purposefully hit at least 2 bicyclists with his car.

A rampage on the move till he apparently shot himself.

Chris
05-25-2014, 12:25 PM
Psychology (the profession) is not going to turn itself in. There isn't going to be any investigation. The media is disproportionately sponsored by Big Pharma. Watch NBC nightly news, with a dozen drug commercials, and then listen to their in-house medical expert.

Lanza's medical records have been sealed. The Columbine killers and Batman killer James Holmes were on Zoloft, among other things. Navy Yard gunman Aaron Alexis was on Trazodone, among other things.

http://wp.rxisk.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/RxISK-Guide-to-Stopping-Antidepressants.pdf

With video games, I think maybe this is the first wave of elementary school kids obsessed with violent games. For most kids, they'll continue to distinguish between reality and fantasy, but the isolated autistic kid on crazy drugs sitting in front of a blood-soaked screen for 10 hours a day shooting virtual people might become a problem.

Clearly, from everything this latest shooter said, he had extreme Obsessive Comparison Disorder, which is enhanced by social-media.
"The Internet and TV takes your Prius-Sized Comparison Problem and turns it into a Hummer..."

"In fact, not only does Facebook cause depression, it also causes what’s known as the “fear of missing out.”"
http://guardianlv.com/2013/08/facebook-causes-depression-new-study-says/



Again, that's psychiatry that uses chemical cures, not psychology.


At least your looking for evidence:


Clearly, from everything this latest shooter said, he had extreme Obsessive Comparison Disorder, which is enhanced by social-media.
"The Internet and TV takes your Prius-Sized Comparison Problem and turns it into a Hummer..."

Right, but that's not causative, enhancement.



"In fact, not only does Facebook cause depression, it also causes what’s known as the “fear of missing out.”"
http://guardianlv.com/2013/08/facebo...ew-study-says/

That too seems to address enhancement of existing problems.


Heyduke, here's the original paper instead of the media-hyped version: http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0069841. It's not quite so positive in it's conclusions and even admits a shortcoming in sampling size. Interesting paper though.

Don
05-25-2014, 12:26 PM
A rampage on the move till he apparently shot himself.

He shot himself in the head. I think these cowards shoot themselves in the head because they are afraid they might suffer if the police shoot them in the torso area. It might hurt.

Heyduke
05-25-2014, 12:35 PM
Again, that's psychiatry that uses chemical cures, not psychology.


At least your looking for evidence:



Right, but that's not causative, enhancement.




That too seems to address enhancement of existing problems.

Psychiatry, right. My bad.

That's all I'm doing is addressing the enhancement of existing problems. I'm not making any 1-1 causative accusations.

For me, I bring up the issue of drugs because that's the issue in the media that is willfully ignored. I expect to find posts like "Murderers are liberals and liberals are murderers", and the corresponding mirror image of that from exotix.

"Legal systems are likely to continue to be faced with cases of violence associated with the use of psychotropic drugs, and it may fall to the courts to demand access to currently unavailable data." - Antidepressants and Violence: Problems at the Interface of Medicine and Law[/URL]
David Healy, a British professor of psychiatry at Cardiff University

[url]http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/10/03/antidepressant-side-effects.aspx (http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/10/03/antidepressant-side-effects.aspx#_edn5)

Mainecoons
05-25-2014, 01:18 PM
What I know is that in my generation, we all grew up around guns, had them at home, most of us hunted. Yet these types of criminal rampages were basically non existent.

However, when we turned on the TV or went to the movies, we weren't treated to endless violence and mayhem. Our games didn't train us in how to kill others for some sick sport.

There's a problem in America all right but it isn't a gun problem. It is a people problem. It is a social problem. It is what happens when a population experiences general social decay, break down in morals. It is a problem of young people having too much affluence and too much time on their hands.

Good luck folks. I'm damn happy to be old enough so that I won't be around when this decay ends up where they always do.

Chris
05-25-2014, 01:39 PM
What I know is that in my generation, we all grew up around guns, had them at home, most of us hunted. Yet these types of criminal rampages were basically non existent.

However, when we turned on the TV or went to the movies, we weren't treated to endless violence and mayhem. Our games didn't train us in how to kill others for some sick sport.

There's a problem in America all right but it isn't a gun problem. It is a people problem. It is a social problem. It is what happens when a population experiences general social decay, break down in morals. It is a problem of young people having too much affluence and too much time on their hands.

Good luck folks. I'm damn happy to be old enough so that I won't be around when this decay ends up where they always do.



Well you sure can blame societal decay on guns, much as liberals like exo want to try.

Mainecoons
05-25-2014, 01:43 PM
Anyone here who hasn't put exo on ignore must like to talk to walls.

There's a difference between being liberal and being mentally ill. I'm happy to debate with the former, the latter are simply a waste of time and bandwidth.

exotix
05-25-2014, 02:09 PM
What I know is that in my generation, we all grew up around guns, had them at home, most of us hunted.

Yet these types of criminal rampages were basically non existent.

However, when we turned on the TV or went to the movies, we weren't treated to endless violence and mayhem. Our games didn't train us in how to kill others for some sick sport.

There's a problem in America all right but it isn't a gun problem. It is a people problem. It is a social problem. It is what happens when a population experiences general social decay, break down in morals. It is a problem of young people having too much affluence and too much time on their hands.

Good luck folks. I'm damn happy to be old enough so that I won't be around when this decay ends up where they always do.
Well back in your generation during the first great depression, you needed your guns to hunt varmints to eat ... and the only ones mass-murdering were the Bonnie & Clydes and Murder Inc. whom the govt and gun rights advocates agreed to the first assault weapons bans ...


By the way liar, you remember saying this ?


You'll be one of the first we'll use the AR15s on.

Count on it.

Chris
05-25-2014, 02:16 PM
Well back in your generation during the first great depression, you needed your guns to hunt varmints to eat ... and the only ones mass-murdering were the Bonnie & Clydes and Murder Inc. whom the govt and gun rights advocates agreed to the first assault weapons bans ...


By the way liar, you remember saying this ?


Bonnie and Clyde were murderers, not massmurderers, exo, nice stretch of the imagination there, be careful it doesn't like a rubberband break and snap back at you.

ChoppedLiver
05-25-2014, 03:20 PM
Lapierre will be along shortly to remind you that this ... another massacre ... like the ones before and the next ones ... are the Libs fault ... like the OP said and assholes like you.

He'll probably remind little bitches (http://thepoliticalforums.com/@exotix) like you that it took a good guy(s) with a gun (the cops that heard the shooting and reacted immediately) to stop this libtard fool from shooting up the whole town. They'll also remind asswipes like you that the 10 round magazine cap doesn't do any good either, ass this crazed libtard murderer had over 40 of them.
Just like you idiot libtards said that if you build a 20' wall at the southern border to keep the illegal alien criminal scum out, they'll just make 21' ladders. Same with the magazine cap. Just get a buttload of them and use the drive-by method to rack up the carnage.

:cool:

ChoppedLiver
05-25-2014, 03:23 PM
Anyone here who hasn't put exo on ignore must like to talk to walls.

There's a difference between being liberal and being mentally ill. I'm happy to debate with the former, the latter are simply a waste of time and bandwidth.

As far as this thread goes, the little twit is probably just pissed off that s/he/it didn't get the "scoop" on this thread and call it "just in", which is about the highest capacity of its mental output.

:cool:

Heyduke
05-25-2014, 04:03 PM
What I know is that in my generation, we all grew up around guns, had them at home, most of us hunted. Yet these types of criminal rampages were basically non existent.

However, when we turned on the TV or went to the movies, we weren't treated to endless violence and mayhem. Our games didn't train us in how to kill others for some sick sport.

There's a problem in America all right but it isn't a gun problem. It is a people problem. It is a social problem. It is what happens when a population experiences general social decay, break down in morals. It is a problem of young people having too much affluence and too much time on their hands.

Good luck folks. I'm damn happy to be old enough so that I won't be around when this decay ends up where they always do.

Picture a baby crawling across the carpet, pulling itself up against the coffee table and punching the front cover of National Geographic because it thinks it is interfacing with a touchscreen. I've seen it happen.

Most of us here, we had a pre-internet childhood. We weren't raised by devices, in school and at home and in the back seat. We were raised by humans. Our internet minds are layered over that original human upbringing.

It's not just the violence on TV, in movies, and in games. It's a general dislocation from reality.

I put up Ace Ventura on the favorite movie thread. I had to put a Jim Carrey. I could just as well have put the Truman Show or Cable Guy.

Cable Guy: A lonely and disturbed cable guy raised on television just wants a new friend, but his target, a designer, rejects him, with bad consequences.

Green Arrow
05-25-2014, 04:08 PM
The only comment I have is that it's pretty sick that someone would attach a :cool: smiley to a story about people being murdered.

Green Arrow
05-25-2014, 04:09 PM
He'll probably remind little bitches (http://thepoliticalforums.com/@exotix) like you that it took a good guy(s) with a gun (the cops that heard the shooting and reacted immediately) to stop this libtard fool from shooting up the whole town. They'll also remind asswipes like you that the 10 round magazine cap doesn't do any good either, ass this crazed libtard murderer had over 40 of them.
Just like you idiot libtards said that if you build a 20' wall at the southern border to keep the illegal alien criminal scum out, they'll just make 21' ladders. Same with the magazine cap. Just get a buttload of them and use the drive-by method to rack up the carnage.

:cool:

Drop the name-calling.

ChoppedLiver
05-25-2014, 04:20 PM
:cool:

Common Sense
05-25-2014, 04:25 PM
Really? This is what it's come to? We blame liberalism for the shooting rampage of a deranged lunatic who is clearly suffering from a mental illness?

Is there no shame left? We're all out of shame? Is there a shame embargo I'm unaware of?

Chris
05-25-2014, 04:31 PM
Really? This is what it's come to? We blame liberalism for the shooting rampage of a deranged lunatic who is clearly suffering from a mental illness?

Is there no shame left? We're all out of shame? Is there a shame embargo I'm unaware of?


Would it be any better to blame the right, as some do?

Mister D
05-25-2014, 04:32 PM
Really? This is what it's come to? We blame liberalism for the shooting rampage of a deranged lunatic who is clearly suffering from a mental illness?

Is there no shame left? We're all out of shame? Is there a shame embargo I'm unaware of?

both sides have been doing this for a while now although the progressives seem to do it more often. I need look no further than this forum for a several examples. Yes, it is disgusting regardless of who does it.

ChoppedLiver
05-25-2014, 04:33 PM
Really? This is what it's come to? We blame liberalism for the shooting rampage of a deranged lunatic who is clearly suffering from a mental illness?

Is there no shame left? We're all out of shame? Is there a shame embargo I'm unaware of?

Are you aware that ALL the recent mass shootings (this one, Aurora, Sandy Hook, Tucson, Va. Tech. and a few others were ALL committed by liberals or liberal leaning perps? Is that not enough to see a pattern here?

:cool:

Common Sense
05-25-2014, 04:33 PM
Would it be any better to blame the right, as some do?

You can try to blame either side...as long as there is some concrete evidence of wrongdoing. But in the end we can really only blame the individual.

This American obsession with political labeling is out of control.

Matty
05-25-2014, 04:34 PM
Would it be any better to blame the right, as some do?


That's always acceptable. You didn't hear any whining about
Shame when the left blamed Palin for the Gabby Giffords shooting.

Chris
05-25-2014, 04:34 PM
That's always acceptable. You didn't hear any whining about
Shame when the left blamed Palin for the Gabby Giffords shooting.



Seems to be so, doesn't it.

Common Sense
05-25-2014, 04:36 PM
Are you aware that ALL the recent mass shootings (this one, Aurora, Sandy Hook, Tucson, Va. Tech. and a few others were ALL committed by liberals or liberal leaning perps? Is that not enough to see a pattern here?

:cool:

If you want to label kids who are clearly suffering from mental illness but are from otherwise normal homes as "Liberal", by all means go ahead.

It just makes you look foolish. If that's what you're looking for...please, carry on.

ChoppedLiver
05-25-2014, 04:36 PM
This American obsession with political labeling is out of control.

Did you whine about this when the decerebrate libtards were trying hard to blame all these shootings on the Right?

:cool:

Common Sense
05-25-2014, 04:39 PM
Did you whine about this when the decerebrate libtards were trying hard to blame all these shootings on the Right?

:cool:

Finding fault with policy and being critical of groups is much different than calling this lunatic a liberal.



Awesome that this sort of thing makes you happy. It's very telling.

ChoppedLiver
05-25-2014, 04:41 PM
If you want to label kids who are clearly suffering from mental illness but are from otherwise normal homes as "Liberal", by all means go ahead.

It just makes you look foolish. If that's what you're looking for...please, carry on.

I didn't say they weren't mentally ill. I said they were ALL libtards and/or came from a libtard background. I'm also saying that since it didn't work out for the libtards to blame the Right for all these perps, it's not 'till NOW that you and others like you that find blaming a political persuasion as not a factor.
If you want to "translate" what I quoted, at least try to get it right, M'kay?

:cool:

Common Sense
05-25-2014, 04:43 PM
I didn't say they weren't mentally ill. I said they were ALL libtards and/or came from a libtard background. I'm also saying that since it didn't work out for the libtards to blame the Right for all these perps, it's not 'till NOW that you and others like you that find blaming a political persuasion as not a factor.
If you want to "translate" what I quoted, at least try to get it right, M'kay?

:cool:

So you're saying it's ok because the "libtards" did it? Are you a child? Because that's how children rationalize.

Good luck with that...

ChoppedLiver
05-25-2014, 04:58 PM
So you're saying it's ok because the "libtards" did it? Are you a child? Because that's how children rationalize.

Good luck with that...

No. You're WRONG. Again.
The fact that it has ALWAYS been libtards mass murdering people in the last quite a few years shows a definite pattern. The same pattern the libtards were soooooo concerned about before. Now that the pattern has shown that it's libtards doing the killing(s), the libtards are all against trying to find out a similar pattern. And the libtards are against it because they are hypocrites and it is duly noted in your defense of them.

:cool:

Dr. Who
05-25-2014, 05:14 PM
Are you aware that ALL the recent mass shootings (this one, Aurora, Sandy Hook, Tucson, Va. Tech. and a few others were ALL committed by liberals or liberal leaning perps? Is that not enough to see a pattern here?

:cool:
Prove it. As far as I know the political inclinations of the shooters was never revealed, not that it matters anyway. Do you really think that there was anything even vaguely political about the motivation? All were mentally disturbed individuals, two suffered from Asperger's, possibly complicated with some psychological disorder. Do you even know how any of them voted or if they ever voted?

Chris
05-25-2014, 06:03 PM
Elliot Rodger: Portrait of a Lonely Outcast Obsessed With Status (http://mashable.com/2014/05/25/elliot-rodger-profile/). A good read covering his online activities, looking at posts, videos, plans for revenge.

Matty
05-25-2014, 06:21 PM
Elliot Rodger: Portrait of a Lonely Outcast Obsessed With Status (http://mashable.com/2014/05/25/elliot-rodger-profile/). A good read covering his online activities, looking at posts, videos, plans for revenge.
22 year old with a BMW coupe. Who supports him?

Chris
05-25-2014, 06:29 PM
22 year old with a BMW coupe. Who supports him?


Yea, that's odd because he complained his mother didn't marry into a rich family.

ChoppedLiver
05-25-2014, 06:34 PM
Prove it. As far as I know the political inclinations of the shooters was never revealed, not that it matters anyway. Do you really think that there was anything even vaguely political about the motivation? All were mentally disturbed individuals, two suffered from Asperger's, possibly complicated with some psychological disorder. Do you even know how any of them voted or if they ever voted?

It's been pretty much documented quite well. Look it up.

:cool:

Spectre
05-25-2014, 06:40 PM
It's been pretty much documented quite well. Look it up.

:cool:

The Columbine shooters were big KMFDM fans, and to be fans of them means to be far left in most cases....wait a minute, I'm a huge KMFDM fan, and I'm not a swivel-eyed loony leftist!

Never mind:laugh:...but they WERE far FAR left types, nevertheless.

Bob
05-25-2014, 06:48 PM
You are a cantankerous 'ol fool that I would laugh at if it wasn't for this tragedy.

I enjoy fools laughing.

Go ahead.

Dr. Who
05-25-2014, 06:50 PM
It's been pretty much documented quite well. Look it up.

:cool:
Nothing I've seen proves any liberal connection.

Bob
05-25-2014, 06:51 PM
Prove it. As far as I know the political inclinations of the shooters was never revealed, not that it matters anyway. Do you really think that there was anything even vaguely political about the motivation? All were mentally disturbed individuals, two suffered from Asperger's, possibly complicated with some psychological disorder. Do you even know how any of them voted or if they ever voted?

Voting may or may not prove your case either way.

The lad sure shot and stabbed victims. This is not what conservatives are about.

Bob
05-25-2014, 06:52 PM
I laugh when I read the left called liberal.

It is very funny for them to claim that when they produce laws by the dump truck full.

ChoppedLiver
05-25-2014, 06:53 PM
Nothing I've seen proves any liberal connection.

YOU haven't seen means what?
Perhaps you just refuse to look. Seems so.

:cool:

Spectre
05-25-2014, 06:58 PM
Nothing I've seen proves any liberal connection.

Google is your friend here.

Most were to the left of the political spectrum.

Spectre
05-25-2014, 07:01 PM
There is a relevant consideration when one examines what the political affiliations of the PARENTS of these mass killers are, however...how were they raised? What kind of human being does progressivism produce if a person is raised on progressive principles from birth?

Dr. Who
05-25-2014, 07:01 PM
Voting may or may not prove your case either way.

The lad sure shot and stabbed victims. This is not what conservatives are about.
At the age of 20, most people's politics are still in a state of flux. Murder is not a facet of either liberal or conservative politics, it is a facet of crime as well as a facet of madness. Neither are a function of political beliefs.

Mr. Right
05-25-2014, 07:02 PM
Prove it. As far as I know the political inclinations of the shooters was never revealed, not that it matters anyway. Do you really think that there was anything even vaguely political about the motivation? All were mentally disturbed individuals, two suffered from Asperger's, possibly complicated with some psychological disorder. Do you even know how any of them voted or if they ever voted?

Who gives a shit how they voted. They displayed classic symptoms of liberalism. Blame, attack, and "I'm entitled"... Get over it.

Mr. Right
05-25-2014, 07:04 PM
22 year old with a BMW coupe. Who supports him?

Pappy, and exotix

Dr. Who
05-25-2014, 07:05 PM
YOU haven't seen means what?
Perhaps you just refuse to look. Seems so.

:cool:
It depends whether you are willing to only look at opinions that support your point of view. I've seen both sides argued, so I am not persuaded.

Dr. Who
05-25-2014, 07:09 PM
Who gives a shit how they voted. They displayed classic symptoms of liberalism. Blame, attack, and "I'm entitled"... Get over it.
I agree that entitlement is probably a factor, but that sense of entitlement among kids seems to transcend politics.

Codename Section
05-25-2014, 07:11 PM
At the age of 20, most people's politics are still in a state of flux. Murder is not a facet of either liberal or conservative politics, it is a facet of crime as well as a facet of madness. Neither are a function of political beliefs.

I think their argument is for the permissive household without "judgments" and "moral values". More often than not it is the liberal parents with the "open borders" and "open boundaries" for their kids whereas parents like mine had expectations of me.

Also, I'll be honest, fear of Hell worked for a real long time to keep me tame. When I stopped believing (for awhile) that I had an immortal soul that was potentially in peril I had a harder time keeping certain aspects of my personality in check.

Without religion you need a firm ethos. Without people forcing an ethos then kids go on hormones.

I'm not saying all liberal kids are fucked up. Chelsea Clinton turned out awesome, but her mom is also a Methodist and was apparently pretty strict on her.

Ok, back to barbecue and drinking.

Spectre
05-25-2014, 07:17 PM
Ok, back to barbecue and drinking.

Good man!

I had several pieces of home-made pizza made from scratch, and a bottle of Aglianico del Vulture, a strong [14%], very, very tasty southern Italian red.

Feel like a million bucks!:laugh:

Matty
05-25-2014, 07:19 PM
I think their argument is for the permissive household without "judgments" and "moral values". More often than not it is the liberal parents with the "open borders" and "open boundaries" for their kids whereas parents like mine had expectations of me.

Also, I'll be honest, fear of Hell worked for a real long time to keep me tame. When I stopped believing (for awhile) that I had an immortal soul that was potentially in peril I had a harder time keeping certain aspects of my personality in check.

Without religion you need a firm ethos. Without people forcing an ethos then kids go on hormones.

I'm not saying all liberal kids are fucked up. Chelsea Clinton turned out awesome, but her mom is also a Methodist and was apparently pretty strict on her.

Ok, back to barbecue and drinking.


My god, how long you been eating? BinEaton?

Chris
05-25-2014, 07:20 PM
I laugh when I read the left called liberal.

It is very funny for them to claim that when they produce laws by the dump truck full.


Liberal with other people's money. :)

BB-35
05-25-2014, 07:21 PM
My dad and my stepdad both made sure I didn't get away with too much...plus they never had to convince me they could take me out if I started acting up...

Dr. Who
05-25-2014, 07:42 PM
There is a relevant consideration when one examines what the political affiliations of the PARENTS of these mass killers are, however...how were they raised? What kind of human being does progressivism produce if a person is raised on progressive principles from birth?
Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, the Columbine Killers. Harris was the son of a USAF Pilot and Klebold came from a Lutheran family. Neither of which are prime candidates for liberalism. Both Eric and Dylan were bullied in school. Adam Lanza's mother was a survivalist and a member of the NRA - not exactly a liberal. Adam Lanza suffered from Aspergers. Seung-Hui Cho, the Virginia Tech killer was raised by conservative South Korean parents who owned a dry cleaners and were devoted to the Church. Cho had been diagnosed with a severe anxiety disorder known as selective mutism, as well as major depressive disorder. Elliott Rodger's parents are likely liberals. Elliott suffered from Asperger's and was seeing two different therapists. So one out of four was raised by liberals.

Matty
05-25-2014, 07:46 PM
This kids parents were worried about him. They called 9-11. Then got in the car and headed to SB. They heard about the shootings while en route. Tragic.

Dr. Who
05-25-2014, 07:50 PM
This kids parents were worried about him. They called 9-11. Then got in the car and headed to SB. They heard about the shootings while en route. Tragic.
They tried very hard to address their son's issues. The mental health system didn't see fit to confine him.

Dr. Who
05-25-2014, 08:00 PM
I think their argument is for the permissive household without "judgments" and "moral values". More often than not it is the liberal parents with the "open borders" and "open boundaries" for their kids whereas parents like mine had expectations of me.

Also, I'll be honest, fear of Hell worked for a real long time to keep me tame. When I stopped believing (for awhile) that I had an immortal soul that was potentially in peril I had a harder time keeping certain aspects of my personality in check.

Without religion you need a firm ethos. Without people forcing an ethos then kids go on hormones.

I'm not saying all liberal kids are fucked up. Chelsea Clinton turned out awesome, but her mom is also a Methodist and was apparently pretty strict on her.

Ok, back to barbecue and drinking.
The thing is that generally speaking these kids are not discipline problems - quite the opposite. What they seem to have in common is an inability to connect with other people, so they are rejected, depressed, or suffering from birth disorders that make them incapable of acting normally. Certainly entitlement may come into it. They expect that their lives will be like that of their family and that of their peers. When that doesn't happen, for some reason obsession sets in, followed by resentment. Do the drugs prescribed to them by their mental health providers factor into it? Perhaps. It is suggested that these drugs encourage suicidal ideation. With resentment and the feeling that you want to die, there is the potential to act on the resentment before taking yourself out.

Green Arrow
05-26-2014, 04:27 AM
They tried very hard to address their son's issues. The mental health system didn't see fit to confine him.

One main reason why we need to bring back mental health institutions.

Peter1469
05-26-2014, 04:30 AM
One main reason why we need to bring back mental health institutions.


Some still exist. I was dating this girl who self admitted herself to one. It was sort of my fault. Long story. I did visit her. When that door closed behind me I did fear that I would be stuck there.

exotix
05-26-2014, 08:24 AM
He'll probably remind little bitches (http://thepoliticalforums.com/@exotix) like you that it took a good guy(s) with a gun (the cops that heard the shooting and reacted immediately) to stop this libtard fool from shooting up the whole town. They'll also remind asswipes like you that the 10 round magazine cap doesn't do any good either, ass this crazed libtard murderer had over 40 of them.
Just like you idiot libtards said that if you build a 20' wall at the southern border to keep the illegal alien criminal scum out, they'll just make 21' ladders. Same with the magazine cap. Just get a buttload of them and use the drive-by method to rack up the carnage.

:cool:

As far as this thread goes, the little twit is probably just pissed off that s/he/it didn't get the "scoop" on this thread and call it "just in", which is about the highest capacity of its mental output.

:cool:

:cool:

Are you aware that ALL the recent mass shootings (this one, Aurora, Sandy Hook, Tucson, Va. Tech. and a few others were ALL committed by liberals or liberal leaning perps? Is that not enough to see a pattern here?

:cool:

Did you whine about this when the decerebrate libtards were trying hard to blame all these shootings on the Right?

:cool:
YOU haven't seen means what?
Perhaps you just refuse to look. Seems so.

:cool:

Look at what a rabid lunatic you are ... waving your little teabag manifesto red book frothing in hate and 2nd Amendment *remedies* ... as the party of victims ...

I often wonder why teabaggers don't off themselves as victims like this little mass-murderer.

Peter1469
05-26-2014, 08:31 AM
This is really funny. Exo is usually the one attacking the right for a mass killing.

It is cute.


Look at what a rabid lunatic you are ... waving your little teabag manifesto red book frothing in hate and 2nd Amendment *remedies* ... as the party of victims ...

I often wonder why teabaggers don't off themselves as victims like this little mass-murderer.

exotix
05-26-2014, 08:38 AM
This is really funny. Exo is usually the one attacking the right for a mass killing.

It is cute.
Yes ?

When do you see Libs running-around in founding father garb waving Don't Tread on Me banners toting AR-15's inciting massacres to take the country back ?


This is called *injustice collecting* ... this is the main reason mass-murderers mass-murder.

hanger4
05-26-2014, 08:40 AM
Look at what a rabid lunatic you are ... waving your little teabag manifesto red book frothing in hate and 2nd Amendment *remedies* ... as the party of victims ... I often wonder why teabaggers don't off themselves as victims like this little mass-murderer.''Look at what a rabid lunatic you are ... waving your little teabag manifesto''. I've never seen a selfie put to words. Thanks exo, did you use a mirror or hold the camera out in front ??

hanger4
05-26-2014, 08:43 AM
Yes ?When do you see Libs running-around in founding father garb waving Don't Tread on Me banners toting AR-15's inciting massacres to take the country back ?This is called *injustice collecting* ... this is the main reason mass-murderers mass-murder.Same time you do ........ never !!

exotix
05-26-2014, 08:44 AM
''Look at what a rabid lunatic you are ... waving your little teabag manifesto''. I've never seen a selfie put to words. Thanks exo, did you use a mirror or hold the camera out in front ??
Let's face it ... you're a *victim of perceived injustices* ... the party of victims ... calling for 2nd Amendment *remedies*

Sad.

Codename Section
05-26-2014, 08:51 AM
Yes ?

When do you see Libs running-around in founding father garb waving Don't Tread on Me banners toting AR-15's inciting massacres to take the country back ?


This is called *injustice collecting* ... this is the main reason mass-murderers mass-murder.


Uhhh, they want a right to guns but its not usually someone in a red state shooting the shit out of their classmates. California, Colorado (both times in highly restricted "blue" towns, Connecticut, and then Detroit and Chicago goes without saying those people are pro-Democrats.

hanger4
05-26-2014, 08:55 AM
Let's face it ... you're a *victim of perceived injustices* ... the party of victims ... calling for 2nd Amendment *remedies*Sad.Lets face it half of those murdered die of stab wounds. Several of those injured were hit by the car yet you rants are all about the *evil gun*. Your rants grow tiresome as a baby whinnes for attention.

Peter1469
05-26-2014, 08:58 AM
You are really funny. Now I know why Alyosha loves you so much.


Yes ?

When do you see Libs running-around in founding father garb waving Don't Tread on Me banners toting AR-15's inciting massacres to take the country back ?


This is called *injustice collecting* ... this is the main reason mass-murderers mass-murder.

exotix
05-26-2014, 09:02 AM
Lets face it half of those murdered die of stab wounds. Several of those injured were hit by the car yet you rants are all about the *evil gun*. Your rants grow tiresome as a baby whinnes for attention.
Tea Party of Victims ... like all mas-murderers.

Codename Section
05-26-2014, 09:05 AM
Tea Party of Victims ... like all mas-murderers.

Uh huh. Can you name a few of the Tea Party mass murderers so we can compare the death counts?

exotix
05-26-2014, 09:08 AM
Uh huh. Can you name a few of the Tea Party mass murderers so we can compare the death counts?
You mean you want me to *injustice collect* like the Tea Party ?

Codename Section
05-26-2014, 09:08 AM
You mean you want me to *injustice collect* like the Tea Party ?

Nawww, just backing up your bullshit would be nice. I seriously have no clue why Alyosha defends you. You're crazier than a bag of cats.

exotix
05-26-2014, 09:14 AM
Nawww, just backing up your bullshit would be nice. I seriously have no clue why @Alyosha (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=863) defends you. You're crazier than a bag of cats.
*Injustice Collecting* is a forensic psychological notion where those with personality dysfunctions and character defects obsess in morbid introspection ... or poor poor pity for me ..

Alyosha knows this because like me she's (e)immersed in higher education ... unlike dumbass teabag hillbillies who think to be educated means understanding the velocity of projectiles of any given firearm when taking the country back.

exotix
05-26-2014, 09:21 AM
Lets face it half of those murdered die of stab wounds. Several of those injured were hit by the car yet you rants are all about the *evil gun*. Your rants grow tiresome as a baby whinnes for attention.
What is ... now was ... the website PUA Hate this mass-murderer lodged his threats of mass-murder ?

Peter1469
05-26-2014, 09:33 AM
*Injustice Collecting* is a forensic psychological notion where those with personality dysfunctions and character defects obsess in morbid introspection ... or poor poor pity for me ..

Alyosha knows this because like me she's (e)immersed in higher education ... unlike dumbass teabag hillbillies who think to be educated means understanding the velocity of projectiles of any given firearm when taking the country back.


You sure get higher education mixed up in your partisan politics. :smiley:

hanger4
05-26-2014, 09:53 AM
Tea Party of Victims ... like all mas-murderers.Stop lying exotix !!

ChoppedLiver
05-26-2014, 10:26 AM
Look at what a rabid lunatic you are ... waving your little teabag manifesto red book frothing in hate and 2nd Amendment *remedies* ... as the party of victims ...

I often wonder why teabaggers don't off themselves as victims like this little mass-murderer.

Awwwww! How cute!

You still upset that it was ME who "scooped" you on this thread?

How friggin' FUNNY!!! LMAO!!!

:cool:

The Xl
05-26-2014, 10:29 AM
Where the fuck was exotix educated? MSNBC?

Come on son, you're not a bright guy. Don't fool yourself.

BB-35
05-26-2014, 12:06 PM
Uh huh. Can you name a few of the Tea Party mass murderers so we can compare the death counts?

Exo is positively giddy at the fact there's been another 'shooting' rampage.....

Bob
05-26-2014, 12:34 PM
At the age of 20, most people's politics are still in a state of flux. Murder is not a facet of either liberal or conservative politics, it is a facet of crime as well as a facet of madness. Neither are a function of political beliefs.

It is not his politics, it is how he looks at life. Politics is only part of the functioning left winger.

It comes from that "gimme" mentality. The anger at the rich. The desire to punish the rich.

I believe that pent up anger can result in wanton killing.

Chris
05-26-2014, 12:42 PM
Exo will shortly bolster his position with a victim's father's blaming government idiots for not enacting stricter gun laws.

Bob
05-26-2014, 12:42 PM
Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, the Columbine Killers. Harris was the son of a USAF Pilot and Klebold came from a Lutheran family. Neither of which are prime candidates for liberalism. Both Eric and Dylan were bullied in school. Adam Lanza's mother was a survivalist and a member of the NRA - not exactly a liberal. Adam Lanza suffered from Aspergers. Seung-Hui Cho, the Virginia Tech killer was raised by conservative South Korean parents who owned a dry cleaners and were devoted to the Church. Cho had been diagnosed with a severe anxiety disorder known as selective mutism, as well as major depressive disorder. Elliott Rodger's parents are likely liberals. Elliott suffered from Asperger's and was seeing two different therapists. So one out of four was raised by liberals.

You are right.

But hold on, you are telling us a USAF Pilot can't be a so called liberal? That a Lutheran is not liberal?

Probably right. The left shuns military service and church gives them the creeps.

What self expectant attitude on the part of the boys gave them the license to kill? Isn't that the left mantra? Gimme, gimme and more gimme. "The rest of society owes us a lifestyle."

Bob
05-26-2014, 12:48 PM
The thing is that generally speaking these kids are not discipline problems - quite the opposite. What they seem to have in common is an inability to connect with other people, so they are rejected, depressed, or suffering from birth disorders that make them incapable of acting normally. Certainly entitlement may come into it. They expect that their lives will be like that of their family and that of their peers. When that doesn't happen, for some reason obsession sets in, followed by resentment. Do the drugs prescribed to them by their mental health providers factor into it? Perhaps. It is suggested that these drugs encourage suicidal ideation. With resentment and the feeling that you want to die, there is the potential to act on the resentment before taking yourself out.

I have never known one of these killers.

I laugh when the left always blames conservatives when it comes to killings.

While you seem correct, since my sole class in college on psychology in no way qualifies me to judge, plus as a kid I recall bullies yet nobody died because of them, it seems narrow minded to decide on some forum what or who is to blame. It would take a professional considerable time to decide.

But watch Exotix, she blames us all say long and ten times on Sunday for killings. She is absolutely off base.

Bob
05-26-2014, 12:59 PM
Yes ?

When do you see Libs running-around in founding father garb waving Don't Tread on Me banners toting AR-15's inciting massacres to take the country back ?


This is called *injustice collecting* ... this is the main reason mass-murderers mass-murder.

This killer was no more tea party than you are.

See, tea party stands for freedom. This punk took lives. Clearly coming from the Hollywood crowd, he was infused with hate for the rich, the well educated and so forth. Know your own kind Exotix. This was yours.

ChoppedLiver
05-26-2014, 01:17 PM
Exo will shortly bolster his position with a victim's father's blaming government idiots for not enacting stricter gun laws.

It already did.

:cool:

exotix
05-26-2014, 02:42 PM
Exo will shortly bolster his position with a victim's father's blaming government idiots for not enacting stricter gun laws.
What do we know about this mass-murderer ?

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/isla-vista-rampage/isla-vista-massacre-what-do-we-know-about-elliot-rodgers-n114416



Each of the three 9-millimeter semiautomatic handguns found in Rodger's car were legally purchased from federally licensed gun dealers.


http://media3.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2014_22/466531/140526-elliot-rodger-isla-vista-830a_fb312d93b6c2bd970529ec99671601da.nbcnews-ux-840-700.jpg

hanger4
05-26-2014, 03:09 PM
What do we know about this mass-murderer ?http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/isla-vista-rampage/isla-vista-massacre-what-do-we-know-about-elliot-rodgers-n114416Each of the three 9-millimeter semiautomatic handguns found in Rodger's car were legally purchased from federally licensed gun dealers.http://media3.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2014_22/466531/140526-elliot-rodger-isla-vista-830a_fb312d93b6c2bd970529ec99671601da.nbcnews-ux-840-700.jpgThat covers half the murders what about the knife/s that killed 3 ?? Were they legally purchased ??

exotix
05-26-2014, 03:15 PM
That covers half the murders what about the knife/s that killed 3 ?? Were they legally purchased ??
Look how many firearms a mentally-ill man since the age of 8 can acquire.

hanger4
05-26-2014, 03:24 PM
Look how many firearms a mentally-ill man since the age of 8 can acquire.Agreed, the mentally-ill should be banned from owning fire arms. Oh wait, they already are.

Perianne
05-26-2014, 03:35 PM
Agreed, the mentally-ill should be banned from owning fire arms. Oh wait, they already are.

Not arguing, hanger4, but how so?

ChoppedLiver
05-26-2014, 04:18 PM
What do we know about this mass-murderer ?Each of the three 9-millimeter semiautomatic handguns found in Rodger's car were legally purchased from federally licensed gun dealers.

Yup! California legal. Ten round magazine max.

How'd that law work out for ya???

:cool:

Chris
05-26-2014, 04:23 PM
Not arguing, hanger4, but how so?


That's actually a good questions because, from all I've read on mass murder cases, it was not possible to tell the killer was mentally ill, maladjusted, sure, but mentally ill, no.

Dr. Who
05-26-2014, 05:26 PM
You are right.

But hold on, you are telling us a USAF Pilot can't be a so called liberal? That a Lutheran is not liberal?

Probably right. The left shuns military service and church gives them the creeps.

What self expectant attitude on the part of the boys gave them the license to kill? Isn't that the left mantra? Gimme, gimme and more gimme. "The rest of society owes us a lifestyle."
I must be a strange liberal, because I don't think society owes me anything, never have and never will. I don't actually know any liberals who believe that anyone owes them anything either. Generalizing is a problem. The idea of entitlement doesn't come from liberals, it comes from all parents who overindulge their children and lead them to believe that they are entitled. This happens with both libs and cons. The bottom line is that the mental health of all of these shooters is the real culprit in the equation and trying to find ideological causation is simply oversimplifying a complicated psycho-social problem that tends to affect a very small number of males of a certain age.

hanger4
05-26-2014, 05:29 PM
Not arguing, hanger4, but how so?Here's the Fed law; ''Under 18 U.S.C. ˇě 922(d),it is unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that such person ˇ°has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution.ˇ± '' http://www.ncsl.org/research/civil-and-criminal-justice/possession-of-a-firearm-by-the-mentally-ill.aspx . The State laws are at the link. Exotix's just trying to assert all right wing gun nuts want no restrictions on the purchase of fire arms. I'm just calling her the fool she is.

Chris
05-26-2014, 05:50 PM
I must be a strange liberal, because I don't think society owes me anything, never have and never will. I don't actually know any liberals who believe that anyone owes them anything either. Generalizing is a problem. The idea of entitlement doesn't come from liberals, it comes from all parents who overindulge their children and lead them to believe that they are entitled. This happens with both libs and cons. The bottom line is that the mental health of all of these shooters is the real culprit in the equation and trying to find ideological causation is simply oversimplifying a complicated psycho-social problem that tends to affect a very small number of males of a certain age.


Perhaps you don't but generally speaking liberalism, from classical to modern, changed from liberty to pursue happiness to the expectation society, through government, should provide happiness. It's not really, I don't think, a personal thing so much as an abstract expectation. It's seen most recently here in the demand for reparations, where one abstract class is supposed to make reparations to another, none of whom participated in those actions. The most explicit expression of this modern liberal attitude comes from polly and even more so kilgram.

Dr. Who
05-26-2014, 06:00 PM
It is not his politics, it is how he looks at life. Politics is only part of the functioning left winger.

It comes from that "gimme" mentality. The anger at the rich. The desire to punish the rich.

I believe that pent up anger can result in wanton killing.
While that could be the obsession of an individual shooter, I don't believe the idea of resentment of wealth has been the impetus behind the most recent shootings. The children Adam Lanza shot were not wealthy. Adam was obsessed with the Columbine killers and mass shooting in general. The shooter at VA Tech blamed rich kids behavior for his own problems, and probably falsely concluded that he was rejected by the girl he liked, because he wasn't wanton enough, in other words, not enough of a partier, not hedonistic enough to attract a girl. He identified the behavior of rich kids as being debauched. Just another rejection story. He of course became obsessed with the Columbine massacre. The FBI concluded of the latter killers that Harris was a clinical psychopath and Klebold was depressive. There was no indication that resentment of wealth had anything to do with their behavior which seemingly involved them taking out their rage at being social outcasts on the world. They were obsessed with violent video games and the goth subculture. The common denominator in all of these shootings is obsession and mental illness.

Dr. Who
05-26-2014, 06:10 PM
Perhaps you don't but generally speaking liberalism, from classical to modern, changed from liberty to pursue happiness to the expectation society, through government, should provide happiness. It's not really, I don't think, a personal thing so much as an abstract expectation. It's seen most recently here in the demand for reparations, where one abstract class is supposed to make reparations to another, none of whom participated in those actions. The most explicit expression of this modern liberal attitude comes from polly and even more so kilgram.
I can see reparations in the case of the Japanese interred during WWII, where all of their possessions were forfeited in the process. I believe that America has already attempted to right wrongs of the past in terms of the black population, but you cannot legislate acceptance. You can make anti-discrimination labor laws, but they are hard to enforce. Ultimately people must find their own way, and the role of government is simply to remove systemic obstacles.

Matty
05-26-2014, 06:12 PM
I can see reparations in the case of the Japanese interred during WWII, where all of their possessions were forfeited in the process. I believe that America has already attempted to right wrongs of the past in terms of the black population, but you cannot legislate acceptance. You can make anti-discrimination labor laws, but they are hard to enforce. Ultimately people must find their own way, and the role of government is simply to remove systemic obstacles.
It will soon be too late for the interred Japanese. That was a shame.

peoshi
05-26-2014, 06:21 PM
I must be a strange liberal, because I don't think society owes me anything, never have and never will. I don't actually know any liberals who believe that anyone owes them anything either. Generalizing is a problem. The idea of entitlement doesn't come from liberals, it comes from all parents who overindulge their children and lead them to believe that they are entitled. This happens with both libs and cons. The bottom line is that the mental health of all of these shooters is the real culprit in the equation and trying to find ideological causation is simply oversimplifying a complicated psycho-social problem that tends to affect a very small number of males of a certain age.You're not strange at all Doc...you are one of the most intelligent posters on here IMO.

You are just being compared with some of the other liberals who shall remain nameless in this forum.

For what it's worth I agree with you...I don't think politics had anything to do with this.

Mr. Right
05-26-2014, 09:42 PM
Tea Party of Victims ... like all mas-murderers.

Insanity.

Ransom
05-27-2014, 06:22 AM
I must be a strange liberal, because I don't think society owes me anything, never have and never will.

underinformed and blatantly ignorant is common amongst Libs, you're not strange at all.


don't actually know any liberals who believe that anyone owes them anything either. Generalizing is a problem. The idea of entitlement doesn't come from liberals, it comes from all parents who overindulge their children and lead them to believe that they are entitled. This happens with both libs and cons. The bottom line is that the mental health of all of these shooters is the real culprit in the equation and trying to find ideological causation is simply oversimplifying a complicated psycho-social problem that tends to affect a very small number of males of a certain age.

The entitlement mentality is liberal agree or not. This isn't complicated nor some complex psycho-problem....it's liberalism

Montoya
05-27-2014, 07:07 AM
underinformed and blatantly ignorant is common amongst Libs, you're not strange at all.



The entitlement mentality is liberal agree or not. This isn't complicated nor some complex psycho-problem....it's liberalism

Just another load of bullshit from an ignorant anti-American "conservative". Go thump your bible and wave your little flag "patriot".

hanger4
05-27-2014, 07:57 AM
Just another load of bullshit from an ignorant anti-American "conservative". Go thump your bible and wave your little flag "patriot".^^^^ I enjoy watching ^^^^ posters do the same thing they complain about. '' another load of bullshit from an ignorant anti-American''. You funny boy Montoya.

Ransom
05-27-2014, 08:44 AM
Just another load of bullshit from an ignorant anti-American "conservative". Go thump your bible and wave your little flag "patriot".

Actually, it's my normal and consistent dead on balls accuracy. We've become an entitled culture, our youth and indeed our society express it in many ways. Not unlike the Va Tech shooter, the Columbine shootings, this Sandy Hook incident. This most recent shooter's mentality isn't uncommon, have we not heard all of this before? Misplaced, spurned....didn't fit in. Obviously engaged in social media, seemingly without foundation....can we not see other examples of this? "It's oversimplified"....it's too complex, use the word psycho or babble, throw some theory out or try to sound intelligent.

This isn't a bible thumper nor tea party member gone awry.....your distractions don't work.

Professor Peabody
05-27-2014, 11:40 AM
"Liberal"? But Liberals are gungrabbers and hate weapons so much they'd never own one! Also, Liberals get laid all the time because they have no morals and can easily convince slutty Liberal bimbos that they are cool rebels! Get your talking points straight!

His Dad is a Hollywood Producer.

Professor Peabody
05-27-2014, 11:49 AM
"Chris died because of craven, irresponsible politicians and the NRA"

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/isla-vista-rampage/stop-madness-isla-vista-victims-dad-rails-against-gun-lobby-n114116

~ Richard Martinez — the father of a 20-year-old victim of the rampage unleashed by Elliot Rodger


Video Inside

http://media3.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2014_21/465651/140525-richard-martinez-isla-vista-1045a_cc21a83f67ac0ea27b44e377cdfc19aa.nbcnews-fp-1680-600.jpg

The first three people he killed he used a knife and stabbed them to death.

Professor Peabody
05-27-2014, 11:54 AM
How would you get rid of guns when they are easy to make? All you'll do is put guns in the hands of criminals and people would be truly dangerous with them.

But I get it, it's easier than rolling back the cultural changes that have made kids so violent to begin with. And yeh, that's the outcomes of anything goes parenting and buying stuff over spending time with them.

How many of these kids are homeschooled versus how many come from over-affluent parents or broken homes?

The UK removed the means of the law abiding to defend themselves................

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/07/02/article-1196941-05900DF7000005DC-677_468x636.jpg

The U.S. has a violence rate of 466 crimes per 100,000 residents.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/The-violent-country-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html

Look what happened.

Chris
05-27-2014, 05:18 PM
Getting back to psychology, before we even get to causes like social media...

Does 'Mental Illness' Explain Elliot Rodger's Murder Spree? (http://reason.com/blog/2014/05/27/does-mental-illness-explain-elliot-rodge)


...If we instead say that Rodger was in "an early phase of pre-psychosis," as a psychiatrist interviewed by Los Angeles Times suggested, does that add to our understanding? Psychosis is usually defined as a break from reality. But judging from his autobiography, Rodger had surprisingly strong self-insight and a pretty clear (perhaps too clear) sense of what was going on around him, despite his occasional flights of grandiosity and magical thinking. Although he keeps buying lottery tickets in the hope that riches will be the key to attracting women, for instance, he acknowledges how unlikely that scenario is. He also concedes that his plan to free men from their baser instincts by banning sex, perpetuating the species by artificially inseminating enslaved and segregated women, is an impossible dream, not least because no one would ever trust him with such dictatorial powers. Furthermore, he admits that his political fantasy grows out of his own bitter experience (or lack thereof) with the opposite sex.

...There are many depressed, lonely, and alienated people in the world, of course, and almost none of them do anything like what Rodger did. That is one of the reasons identifying mass murderers ahead of time is so difficult. Although Rodger's awkwardness and isolation were obvious to relatives, neighbors, acquaintances, and therapists, none of them seems to have recognized the depth of his anger or had an inkling of his homicidal intent. The cops who interacted with him after he was injured in a drunken fight and after his mother reported her concern that he might be suicidal perceived him as harmless. And despite the hindsight-aided criticism they have received for being too easily reassured, they did not have enough evidence to force him into a psychiatric evaluation or to search his apartment, where they would have found his pistols, knives, and ammunition, along with "my writings about what I planned to do with them."

Since the vast majority of people diagnosed with mental disorders (including psychoses such as schizophrenia) never commit violent crimes, giving someone like Rodger a psychiatric label hardly qualifies as an explanation. His emotions were common, but the way he dealt with them was rare. We can call his murder spree the symptom of a mysterious and unverifiable disease, or we can call it an evil response to a recognizable human condition.

Common Sense
05-27-2014, 05:22 PM
I had a good friend who was diagnosed with schizophrenia. He acted in a chillingly same manor as this guy (I watched the video).

Chris
05-27-2014, 05:37 PM
I had a good friend who was diagnosed with schizophrenia. He acted in a chillingly same manor as this guy (I watched the video).

Has he gone on a rampage killing people?

Dr. Who
05-27-2014, 05:45 PM
The UK removed the means of the law abiding to defend themselves................

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/07/02/article-1196941-05900DF7000005DC-677_468x636.jpg

The U.S. has a violence rate of 466 crimes per 100,000 residents.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/The-violent-country-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html

Look what happened.
That is a misleading chart. It is comparing violent crime to homicide. Violent crime also includes assaults. This UNODC Chart is more recent and compares homicide to homicide. http://www.unodc.org/documents/gsh/data/GSH2013_Homicide_count_and_rate.xlsx

7653

Common Sense
05-27-2014, 05:45 PM
Has he gone on a rampage killing people?

He killed himself.

Chris
05-27-2014, 05:48 PM
He killed himself.

Sorry to hear that.

Professor Peabody
05-28-2014, 12:12 PM
That is a misleading chart. It is comparing violent crime to homicide. Violent crime also includes assaults. This UNODC Chart is more recent and compares homicide to homicide. http://www.unodc.org/documents/gsh/data/GSH2013_Homicide_count_and_rate.xlsx 7653 You are missing my point. The older Brits have no way to defend themselves against young and strong thugs. So they become victims at near 5 times the rate we do in the U.S. where God created man and Sam Colt made us equal. The Brits always did seem like a masochistic bunch, so maybe they enjoy getting beat to a bloody pulp, relieved of their valuables and left on a groaning heap. We don't take kindly to that across the pond. Attack the wrong person with the intent of doing bodily harm in the U.S. and the attacker just might end up in a body bag like a wannabe thug kid from Florida.

Dr. Who
05-28-2014, 05:36 PM
You are missing my point. The older Brits have no way to defend themselves against young and strong thugs. So they become victims at near 5 times the rate we do in the U.S. where God created man and Sam Colt made us equal. The Brits always did seem like a masochistic bunch, so maybe they enjoy getting beat to a bloody pulp, relieved of their valuables and left on a groaning heap. We don't take kindly to that across the pond. Attack the wrong person with the intent of doing bodily harm in the U.S. and the attacker just might end up in a body bag like a wannabe thug kid from Florida.
I understand what you are saying, but the reality in the UK is that most of the violent crime that is being perpetrated is by younger people against younger people and that is what is driving the statistics. Drinking and fighting is an issue. Drunkenness in general is a huge issue in the UK, where the younger members of society drink to the point of oblivion. Alcohol abuse and violence are frequent companions. Furthermore there is also a great deal of violent behavior stemming from cultural clashes in poorer areas - add alcohol to the mix and the violence is amped up. The statistics for liver disease among young people is astronomical, simply because binge drinking has become something akin to a new sport. There may well be an increase in the number of older victims of robbery, on the street or in homes, but likely stemming from an overall substance abuse issue and an increase in poverty/unemployment, but I don't know that those particular stats are better or worse than in the US. I can see that in the US the potential of an armed homeowner might well be more of a deterrent.

exotix
05-31-2014, 11:33 AM
Internal Sheriff's Probe Launched in Isla Vista Massacre

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/investigations/Internal-Probe-Launched-Deputies-Isla-Vista-Massacre-261336481.html

The investigation comes as officials were called to question over actions made during welfare check of Isla Vista killer ...

.. and cop spokesperson calling SBPD 'Heros' ...

The Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Department has launched an internal investigation into the actions of deputies before and during last week's rampage by a community college student who killed six UCSB students, NBC4's I-Team has learned.

The news comes a day after the department said that deputies knew about disturbing YouTube videos posted by Elliot Rodger three weeks before the rampage, but did not watch them.


More violations of your Rights ?

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/isla-vista-rampage/should-cops-rummage-through-social-media-accounts-assess-mental-stability-n119026


Should Cops Rummage Through Social Media Accounts to Assess Mental Stability ?




http://static2.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1805596.1401167277!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_970/santa-barbara-rampage.jpg

zelmo1234
05-31-2014, 02:09 PM
Cops? NO but it cold be turned over to mental health professional and if they have concern?

Then we need to fix the laws that are in place because of Liberals. So these people can be evaluated!

Here is a question for you? You can see that the police dept. in this case did not enforce some existing laws? How are more unenforced laws gong to help?

The Sage of Main Street
05-31-2014, 02:24 PM
His Dad is a Hollywood Producer. Daddy must have been secretly Conservative, buying his kid a gun and making him sexually repressed!

Peter1469
05-31-2014, 02:34 PM
Daddy must have been secretly Conservative, buying his kid a gun and making him sexually repressed!

Shrinks say sex (http://connecticut.cbslocal.com/2014/05/29/psychologist-elliot-rodger-would-still-have-gone-on-killing-spree-even-if-he-had-sex-with-women/)wouldn't have helped the crazy kid.


Elliot Rodger killed six innocent people in California blaming his rage on a non-existent sex life and not having a girlfriend in videos he posted on YouTube before the murders.

But if Rodger did have relationships and sex with women, some psychologists suggest that he still would have gone on his rampage because his problems run deeper than just claiming to be a virgin. “If Rodger had the capacity to be in a real, loving relationship I would imagine that he would have been much less capable of such callous behavior towards others,” clinical social worker and psychotherapist Laura Miller told CBS Hartford. “His disconnect from the humanity of others and their inherent worth would likely preclude any such relationship from occurring, however. So I don’t think having a girlfriend or sex is the issue here, but rather a direct result of his lack of self-awareness and lack of empathy towards those around him.”

BB-35
05-31-2014, 04:46 PM
Daddy must have been secretly Conservative, buying his kid a gun and making him sexually repressed!


he was old enough to buy them himself,tool.