Cholesterol.

[Matty]

Your cholesterol is supposed to be under 100, mine is 77. Do you know what yours is?

[Peter1469]

Mine was 197 in April.

HDL: 91
LDL: 89
Triglycerides: 87

I can't see a total cholesterol under 100 being healthy.

[Spectre]

I forgot to ask, but at my last check-up my doctor told me all my blood tests were perfect, so I'm assuming everything is A-OK.

And I eat LOTS of cheese and eggs, even though I don't eat meat.

So all this BS about saturated fats is mostly BS, but I suspect there's no such thing as a one-size-fits-all metric for this sort of thing. Everyone metabolizes this stuff differently, I believe, and it's likely genetic.

[sachem]

Your cholesterol is supposed to be under 100, mine is 77. Do you know what yours is?Yes.

[Matty]

I forgot to ask, but at my last check-up my doctor told me all my blood tests were perfect, so I'm assuming everything is A-OK.

And I eat LOTS of cheese and eggs, even though I don't eat meat.

So all this BS about saturated fats is mostly BS, but I suspect there's no such thing as a one-size-fits-all metric for this sort of thing. Everyone metabolizes this stuff differently, I believe, and it's likely genetic.
My doc said they took eggs off the "bad list" which is good because I love my eggs with pepper jack cheese.

[Peter1469]

My doc said they took eggs off the "bad list" which is good because I love my eggs with pepper jack cheese.

Eggs are at the top of the perfect list in foods.

[darroll]

Mine used to be 485.
Now it's 129. My doctor wants it under 200.

[Cigar]

Mine used to be 485.
Now it's 129. My doctor wants it under 200.


:shocked: 485 ... WTF

[darroll]

:shocked: 485 ... WTF I love colesterol and I store it.
I had problems with the wires going to my heart shorting, but our medical team is not sure as to what happened.

[Peter1469]

I love colesterol and I store it.
I had problems with the wires going to my heart shorting, but our medical team is not sure as to what happened.

They need to focus on something other than cholesterol. Read the medical data about cholesterol and heart disease.

[Dr. Who]

Mine was 197 in April.

HDL: 91
LDL: 89
Triglycerides: 87

I can't see a total cholesterol under 100 being healthy.
It's LDL that's the problem. The numbers shouldn't be considered as a total. Only LDL and triglycerides should be a concern.

[Peter1469]

It's LDL that's the problem. The numbers shouldn't be considered as a total. Only LDL and triglycerides should be a concern.

Right. And have you ever seen anyone with a higher HDL than LDL?

[Dr. Who]

Right. And have you ever seen anyone with a higher HDL than LDL?
It is possible, but I've never done a study.

[The Xl]

I had a cholesteral score over 200 when I was 18, and promptly dropped fast food and other garbage foods from my diet. The fact that I live an athletic lifestyle in conjunction with that made the decision easy.

[Peter1469]

It is possible, but I've never done a study.

It is very rare.

Refer you back to my April tests above.

[Dr. Who]

It is very rare.

Refer you back to my April tests above.
It might be less rare among vegans.

[Peter1469]

It might be less rare among vegans.

Which part? Vegetarians, unless they are really organic, are going to have a high LDL and very low HDL- and that is very bad. LDL = inflammation. That is bad.

[Dr. Who]

Which part? Vegetarians, unless they are really organic, are going to have a high LDL and very low HDL- and that is very bad. LDL = inflammation. That is bad.
Vegans eat nothing but veggies. Nothing there to create LDL if they avoid all transfats.

[waltky]

Cholesterol Drug Modestly Lowers Risk of Heart Attack, Death...


Study: Cholesterol Drug Modestly Lowers Risk of Heart Attack, Death
March 10, 2018 — A newer cholesterol drug, used with older statin medicines, modestly lowered heart risks and deaths in a big study of heart attack survivors that might persuade insurers to cover the pricey treatment more often.


Results on the drug, Praluent, were announced Saturday at an American College of Cardiology conference in Florida. It’s the first time a cholesterol-lowering drug has reduced deaths since statins such as Lipitor and Crestor came out decades ago. “It’s the ultimate outcome; it’s what matters to patients,” said study leader Dr. Philippe Gabriel Steg of Hospital Bichat in Paris.


But the benefit was small — 167 people would need to use Praluent for nearly three years to prevent a single death. “That’s a high cost” that may still hinder its use, said one independent expert, Dr. Amit Khera, a preventive cardiologist at UT Southwestern Medical Center in Dallas and a spokesman for the American Heart Association. The drug’s makers, Sanofi and Regeneron Pharmaceuticals, sponsored the study and said they would work with insurers on pricing to get the medicine to those who need it the most.


About the study


Doctors focus on lowering LDL, or bad cholesterol, to prevent heart problems. Statins are the main medicines for this, but some people can’t tolerate or get enough help from them. Praluent and a similar drug, Amgen’s Repatha, work in a different way and lower cholesterol much more. Patients give themselves shots of the medicine once or twice a month. The drugs have been sold since 2015 but cost more than $14,000 a year, and insurers have balked at paying without proof that they reduce health problems, not just the cholesterol number. Last year, a study showed Repatha cut heart problems but did not improve survival. The new study tested the rival drug, Praluent, for a longer time and in patients at higher risk, nearly 19,000 people who in the previous year had a heart attack or chest pain serious enough to put them in the hospital.



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For the first time, a cholesterol-lowering drug has reduced deaths since statins such as Lipitor and Crestor came out decades ago.



All had LDL of more than 70 despite maximum statin use. Half were given Praluent and the rest, dummy shots. Praluent was started at a lower dose and increased if LDL did not drop below 50. After nearly three years, 9.5 percent of those on Praluent and 11.1 percent of those on dummy medicine had suffered a heart attack, stroke, heart-related death or serious chest pain; 3.5 percent on Praluent and 4.1 percent on dummy medicine died. That worked out to a 15 percent lower risk with Praluent. Benefits were greater for those whose LDL was 100 or more at the start of the study. The drug had no major safety issues.


What doctors say


“We need to reset our expectations” and realize that benefits for any new drug are going to be fairly small when added to already good treatments such as statins, said Dr. Jeffrey Kuvin, conference leader and cardiology chief at Dartmouth-Hitchcock Medical Center. The new drugs clearly help people at high risk and are not aimed at people at low risk, such as those who have high cholesterol but have never had a heart attack, he said. “I’ve been unconvinced” of the drugs’ benefits but now may prescribe them for certain very high risk patients, said Duke University cardiologist Dr. Christopher Granger. But preventing fewer than one heart problem a year at the drug’s current price is not cost-effective, he said.


Pressure on price


An independent group, the Institute for Clinical and Economic Review, on Saturday released a new range for what Praluent should cost, based on the new results, $2,300 to $3,400 per year for people like those in the study. A price of $4,500 to $8,000 per year would be justified for patients at higher risk, with LDL of more than 100. From 300,000 to 400,000 people in the U.S. each year fall in that second category. Praluent’s makers say they will aim for those price ranges for insurers that remove barriers to coverage for people at the highest risk.


https://www.voanews.com/a/study-finds-cholesterol-drug-modestly-lowers-risk-of-heart-attack-death/4291547.html

[rcfieldz]

mine is probably 500 - 600. No kiddin'!

[Peter1469]

mine is probably 500 - 600. No kiddin'!


Do you know the breakdown between LCD and HLD?

[Trumpster]

Your cholesterol is supposed to be under 100, mine is 77. Do you know what yours is?

So far, all the talk is about cholesterol as it relates to heart disease. What about cancer? Cholesterol comes from animal protein and animal protein promotes cancer because it contains Interleukin Growth Factor 1 (IGF-1). IGF-1 promotes a fast turnover of cells. It also has to do with the way animal protein is metabolized. Meat, for example, is alkaline but puts an acid load on the body when metabolized and cancer thrives in an acid environment. So a diet high in animal protein (and processed foods too) can lead to many diseases and disorders other than heart disease.

[Peter1469]

We can't live without cholesterol. We need the proper ratio between HDL and LDL.

[Max Rockatansky]

Your cholesterol is supposed to be under 100, mine is 77. Do you know what yours is?
Yes. I've been taking atorvastatin drugs for about 18 years now to control high cholesterol; a family genetic thing on the male side where there is a strong history of heart disease. Oldest uncle dropped dead of a heart attack at 42. Both middle uncle and dad (youngest) had quadruple bypasses in their early 60s. I'd had high cholesterol in tests for years, but it kept climbing despite exercise and a healthy diet. The doc said it was genetic and prescribed medication. I asked "If I kept exercising, eating well, drinking little or moderately and took these <at the time> $1/day pills, would I still end up with a zipper in my chest at age 64?" He said "no, you'll be fine".


I'm 62 years old now and had a nuclear stress test at age 60. Results? Completely healthy heart. You folks do as you please, but I'll just keep doing as the doctors recommend.

[Peter1469]

Study says there's no link between cholesterol and heart disease (https://www.nhs.uk/news/heart-and-lungs/study-says-theres-no-link-between-cholesterol-and-heart-disease/)

Where did the story come from?The study was carried out by researchers from the University of South Florida, the Japan Institute of Pharmacovigilance and various other international institutions in Japan, Sweden, UK, Ireland, US and Italy.


Funding was provided by the Western Vascular Institute. The study was published in the peer-reviewed (https://www.nhs.uk/news/Pages/Newsglossary.aspx#Peerreview) BMJ Open and, as the journal name suggests, the article is open-access (https://www.nhs.uk/news/Pages/Newsglossary.aspx#Openaccess), so can be read for free.


Four of the study authors have previously written book(s) criticising "the cholesterol hypothesis". It should also be noted that nine of the authors are members of THINCS – The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics (http://www.thincs.org/index.php). This is described as a group of scientists who "oppose…that animal fat and high cholesterol play a role [in heart disease]".

[Trumpster]

We can't live without cholesterol. We need the proper ratio between HDL and LDL.

That's obviously a true statement. But what are the implications? Are you suggesting that we need to consume cholesterol (in a certain way) to maintain the proper balance? I've been a vegan for 13 years and my doctor says that my HDL and LDL ratio couldn't be better.

[Peter1469]

That's obviously a true statement. But what are the implications? Are you suggesting that we need to consume cholesterol (in a certain way) to maintain the proper balance? I've been a vegan for 13 years and my doctor says that my HDL and LDL ratio couldn't be better.
Our bodies produce some cholesterol, and if yours is doing fine on a vegan diet, then that is great. I think part of the problem is when people eat corn fed beef, pigs, etc- that screws with the LDL-HDL ratios. That is what causes the health problems.