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Chris
04-07-2012, 03:48 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2j_fjFwlGeU#!

Cronyism in the Tax Code (http://www.economicfreedom.org/2012/04/06/cronyism-in-the-tax-code/):

“If you really want to understand the nature of our tax code, don’t ask yourself, ‘Why aren’t these provisions in the public interest?’ That’s not how taxes are passed. Ask yourself, ‘Who benefits from these taxes, and how much political power do they have?’”
— Professor Randall Holcombe

MMC
04-07-2012, 05:48 PM
So even an independant source says the same thing. Less Government is the way. As the special interests cannot be stopped.

What about moving the Capitol From Washington. Might not stop the Special interests, But then they couldn't always rely on all those old sources that would dry up or have to move someplace else. Then try and get re-establshed. Be even better to have a revolving Capitol So that none know where it will set up shop. Yet Shows that it reflects all the regions of the Country and ends all that East Coast BS of Dominating the World of or anything thats going on with politics.

Chris
04-07-2012, 06:55 PM
We could move the center of power back to the states. That would help.

MMC
04-07-2012, 07:34 PM
We could move the center of power back to the states. That would help.

Agreed there.....but still with limited government.

Chris
04-07-2012, 07:46 PM
That is one thing I fail to understand, the idea that the federal government has limited power but the states unlimited. It is for the same reason the state's power is to be limited.

MMC
04-07-2012, 07:55 PM
Just think when we colonize a planet or two.....and set government up there, and start talking about reducing the size of Government. :laugh:

Peter1469
04-07-2012, 09:11 PM
That is one thing I fail to understand, the idea that the federal government has limited power but the states unlimited. It is for the same reason the state's power is to be limited.

The states have the power to legislate in all matters that affect "life, health, and safety." That is a very broad mandate. Of course there is another limit on State power: the vote of the citizen.

States gave to the federal government only the limited and enumerated powers listed in the Constitution.

Chris
04-08-2012, 10:22 AM
The states have the power to legislate in all matters that affect "life, health, and safety." That is a very broad mandate. Of course there is another limit on State power: the vote of the citizen.

States gave to the federal government only the limited and enumerated powers listed in the Constitution.

The states have only the power the people consent to give them in their separate Constitutions.

Remember "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." Bottom line, all power rests with the people.

Peter1469
04-08-2012, 11:40 AM
The sovereign citizen movement notwithstanding, our Founders did not eliminate the sovereignty of the States in favor of the People. The power of the States was settled prior to the adoption of the Constitution.

Chris
04-08-2012, 11:47 AM
The sovereign citizen movement notwithstanding, our Founders did not eliminate the sovereignty of the States in favor of the People. The power of the States was settled prior to the adoption of the Constitution.

Yes, by each their own Constitution. Consider Virginia's of 1776:
A declaration of rights made by the representatives of the good people of Virginia, assembled in full and free convention; which rights do pertain to them and their posterity, as the basis and foundation of government.
SECTION 1. That all men are by nature equally free and independent, and have certain inherent rights, of which, when they enter into a state of society, they cannot, by any compact, deprive or divest their posterity, namely, the enjoyment of life and liberty, with the means of acquiring and possessing property, and pursuing and obtaining happiness and safety.

SEC. 2. That all power is vested in, and consequently derived from, the people; that magistrates are their trustees and servants, and at all times amenable to them.

SEC. 3. That government is, or ought to be, instituted for the common benefit, protection, and security of the people, nation, or community; of all the various modes and forms of government, that is best which is capable of producing the greatest degree of happiness and safety, and is most effectually secured against the danger of maladministration; and that, when any government shall be found inadequate or contrary to these purposes, a majority of the community hath an indubitable, inalienable, and indefeasible right to reform, alter, or abolish it, in such manner as shall be judged most conducive to the public weal. ...
Nemo should see this!

Peter1469
04-08-2012, 12:03 PM
Absolutely