Utah joins the Gay Nation

[exotix]

*Breaking*

Federal Appeals Court Strikes Down Utah's Same-Sex Marriage Ban


http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/federal-appeals-court-strikes-down-utahs-same-sex-marriage-ban-n140656

For the first time, a federal appeals court has struck down a state's ban on same-sex marriage.

A three-judge panel of the 10th Circuit Court of Appeals in Denver voted 2-1 that Utah's ban is unconstitutional.



"We hold that the Fourteenth Amendment protects the fundamental right to marry, establish a family, raise children, and enjoy the full protection of a state's marital laws.

A state may not deny the issuance of a marriage license to two persons, or refuse to recognize their marriage, based solely upon the sex of the persons in the marriage union," the court said.

The Human Rights Campaign hailed the ruling.


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[Mr. Mensch]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jitocz4kB3k

A lot of people were thrilled. Some were not so sure.

[Kalkin]

Joins? More like "is forced into against the will of the citizenry by activist federal judges".

[Green Arrow]

I don't agree with this. This isn't the right way.

[Perianne]

It appears judges can force anything on people.

[exotix]

Joins? More like "is forced into against the will of the citizenry by activist federal judges".
I don't agree with this. This isn't the right way.

It appears judges can force anything on people.

Good luck repealing that section of the 14th Amendment of the Constitution that says they can.

[darroll]

You can lead a horse to water but you can't force it to drink. (unknown)

[exotix]

You can lead a horse to water but you can't force it to drink. (unknown)
Notice the simple *altered rhetoric* ... it's now called *The Marriage of Two Persons*

[Kalkin]

Good luck repealing that section of the 14th Amendment of the Constitution that says they can.
I often wonder if you realize your idiotic posting style is actually detrimental to the causes you appear to support. Do you?

[exotix]

I often wonder if you realize your idiotic posting style is actually detrimental to the causes you appear to support. Do you?
I was merely pointing out that as a son of *Liberty & Freedom* and descendant of the Founding Fathers who drafted the U.S. Constitution ... well, from my perspective you don't have jack to squat on.

LOL

[Kalkin]

I was merely pointing out that as a son of *Liberty & Freedom* and descendant of the Founding Fathers who drafted the U.S. Constitution ... well, from my perspective you don't have jack to squat on.

LOL

You really have no clue. Too funny.

[Peter1469]

This is why social issues like abortion and gay marriage are so polarizing in the US. Most nations settle these matters via the legislative process.

[darroll]

Notice the simple *altered rhetoric* ... it's now called *The Marriage of Two Persons*It is not about marriage..........
It's about the way they made it law.
What happened to honest elections?

[Montoya]

Joins? More like "is forced into against the will of the citizenry by activist federal judges".

Yup get used to it. :)

[Montoya]

I don't agree with this. This isn't the right way.

Because people should be allowed to vote on rights? You might as well be a tea party extremist.

[darroll]

Yup get used to it. :)
Yup,
I'm used to it buddy.
The gays are about as popular as christians.

[keymanjim]

Yup get used to it. :)
Wow, monty. You just streamlined the whole legislative process. Why have laws when we can just have judges tell us what we can and can't do?

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[Green Arrow]

Because people should be allowed to vote on rights? You might as well be a tea party extremist.

I didn't say that. I think that approach is wrong, too.

[Bob]

*Breaking*

Federal Appeals Court Strikes Down Utah's Same-Sex Marriage Ban


http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/federal-appeals-court-strikes-down-utahs-same-sex-marriage-ban-n140656

http://thelawdictionary.org/marriage/

What is MARRIAGE?

Read in: Spanish (http://espanol.thelawdictionary.org/matrimonio/)
Marriage, as distinguished from the agreement to marry and from the act of becoming married, Is the civil status of one man and one woman united in law for life, for the discharge to each other and the community of the duties legally incumbent on those whose association (http://thelawdictionary.org/association/) is founded on the distinction of sex. 1 Bish. Mar. & Div.



Law Dictionary: What is MARRIAGE? definition of MARRIAGE (Black's Law Dictionary) (http://thelawdictionary.org/marriage/#ixzz35iEtnuIY)

[Bob]

I was merely pointing out that as a son of *Liberty & Freedom* and descendant of the Founding Fathers who drafted the U.S. Constitution ... well, from my perspective you don't have jack to squat on.

LOL

SON???????????????

MALE THEN

Others said you are Male.

What the hell about the Avatar???

[Bob]

Notice the simple *altered rhetoric* ... it's now called *The Marriage of Two Persons*

TODAY

BLACKS LAW DICTIONARY

http://thelawdictionary.org/marriage/

What is MARRIAGE?Read in: Spanish (http://espanol.thelawdictionary.org/matrimonio/)
Marriage, as distinguished from the agreement to marry and from the act of becoming married, Is the civil status of one man and one woman united in law for life, for the discharge to each other and the community of the duties legally incumbent on those whose association (http://thelawdictionary.org/association/) is founded on the distinction of sex. 1 Bish. Mar. & Div.



Law Dictionary: What is MARRIAGE? definition of MARRIAGE (Black's Law Dictionary) (http://thelawdictionary.org/marriage/#ixzz35iEtnuIY)

[Green Arrow]

TODAY

BLACKS LAW DICTIONARY

http://thelawdictionary.org/marriage/

What is MARRIAGE?

Read in: Spanish (http://espanol.thelawdictionary.org/matrimonio/)
Marriage, as distinguished from the agreement to marry and from the act of becoming married, Is the civil status of one man and one woman united in law for life, for the discharge to each other and the community of the duties legally incumbent on those whose association (http://thelawdictionary.org/association/) is founded on the distinction of sex. 1 Bish. Mar. & Div.



Law Dictionary: What is MARRIAGE? definition of MARRIAGE (Black's Law Dictionary) (http://thelawdictionary.org/marriage/#ixzz35iEtnuIY)

And this is the problem with relying on the state for everything. Legal definitions can be changed.

[Bob]

And this is the problem with relying on the state for everything. Legal definitions can be changed.

It is not clear to me why the courts are meddling in the first place.

We for instance, in CA, clearly defined marriage.

One man and one woman. It was longer but not terribly longer.

We got accused of banning homosexuals marriages.

There was no such thing as homosexual marriage. It did not exist.

Courts today are trying to invent it.

[Kalkin]

Yup get used to it. :)
You're a funny kid, Monty. First off, I couldn't care less whether gays get married or not. You're going to be one dazed little libtard when you realize another panel of judges can just as easily invalidate this decision, though. You display the intellectual capacity and perspective of a dust mite, son. =)

[Montoya]

You're a funny kid, Monty. First off, I couldn't care less whether gays get married or not. You're going to be one dazed little libtard when you realize another panel of judges can just as easily invalidate this decision, though. You display the intellectual capacity and perspective of a dust mite, son. =)

You obviously don't understand the concept of civics. Certain things are not subject to vote. It's really that simply.

[Kalkin]

You obviously don't understand the concept of civics. Certain things are not subject to vote. It's really that simply.
You obviously have a sub-par intellect if that's your response to my post. Public schooler or pending GED, perhaps?

[Montoya]

You obviously have a sub-par intellect if that's your response to my post. Public schooler or pending GED, perhaps?

At least it isn't home school lol. Though judging by your stupidity you were.

[Mr. Mensch]

I think that gays should be REQUIRED to get married. That way they can enjoy the other part of marriage that they are currently missing out on, namely divorce. I would wager that the divorce rate among gays would be just as high as it is among straights. Plus divorce lawyers would see an increase in their business.

[Matty]

Gays will never be the equal to heterosexuals. Gays as a couple cannot produce children. Gays cannot even exist without the heterosexual. That's a fact.

[exotix]

Gays will never be the equal to heterosexuals. Gays as a couple cannot produce children. Gays cannot even exist without the heterosexual. That's a fact.
Sure they can ... how do you think Cheneys' gay daughter and her husband produced offspring ?

LOL.

[Matty]

Sure they can ... how do you think Cheneys' gay daughter and her husband produced offspring ?

LOL.
Two women had a baby without a man? How did they do that? You tell me.

[Perianne]

Two women had a baby without a man? How did they do that? You tell me.

Duh. Chelsea has two dads. :)

[Matty]

They very day a woman produces sperm is going to be earth shaking.

[exotix]

Two women had a baby without a man? How did they do that? You tell me.
Nobody knows ... not any more than where Cheney got his heart .... LOL

[texan]

And put it on hold for immediate appeal.

[Kalkin]

At least it isn't home school lol.
It isn't any school at all, apparently.

Though judging by your stupidity you were.
Sorry to hurt your feelings, little man, but the real world will not coddle your effeminate mewlings and emotion based illogic. Someone needs to pick up your father's slack for your own good. It might as well start here. Consider it my contribution to society.

[Kalkin]

Sure they can ... how do you think Cheneys' gay daughter and her husband produced offspring ?

LOL.
Not by having gay sex and not as a product of both partners DNA. Rail against nature all you like, it just makes you look foolish.

[Kalkin]

Nobody knows ... not any more than where Cheney got his heart .... LOL
You're the only nobody that thinks gay reproduction exists. It doesn't. Nature sucks when you're a liberal. Lol.

[exotix]

Not by having gay sex and not as a product of both partners DNA. Rail against nature all you like, it just makes you look foolish.
You're the only nobody that thinks gay reproduction exists. It doesn't. Nature sucks when you're a liberal. Lol.
Maybe one of 'em has they junk intact ... LOL

[Common Sense]

Gay conception is about as realistic as immaculate conception.

[Kalkin]

Maybe one of 'em has they junk intact ... LOL
Maybe if you attach antlers to your cat it will be an elk. Women don't have penises.

[exotix]

Maybe if you attach antlers to your cat it will be an elk. Women don't have penises.
Suffice to say, that would be up for debate ... LOL

[Matty]

Maybe one of 'em has they junk intact ... LOL
Then it isn't gay sex. A penis in a vagina is heterosexual sex.

[exotix]

Then it isn't gay sex. A penis in a vagina is heterosexual sex.
Yes ?

Well say for instance, what's an Hermaphrodite ?


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[Kalkin]

Suffice to say, that would be up for debate ... LOL
Not if you've ever seen a real woman.

[Kalkin]

Yes ?

Well say for instance, what's an Hermaphrodite ?


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If it has a penis, it's a man. If it has a vagina, it's a woman.

"Has" means "was born with", btw, not stitched on or hollowed out and inverted.

[exotix]

If it has a penis, it's a man. If it has a vagina, it's a woman.
Yes ?

Well ...


What does the Bible say about hermaphrodites ?

http://www.gotquestions.org/hermaphrodites.html

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[Kalkin]

Yes ?

Well ...


What does the Bible say about hermaphrodites ?



http://www.gotquestions.org/hermaphrodites.html

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The bible says a lot of things. Is it now your source of factual evidence, exo?

[exotix]

The bible says a lot of things. Is it now your source of factual evidence, exo?
Sure ... hermaphrodites present an incredible problem for conservatives ... especially Personhood wackos who actually believe life begins at the moment of conception ...

[PolWatch]

hmm...'issue should be voted on'??? I kinda thought that the Constitution had already been accepted in this country and didn't need to be voted on...this ruling was based on whether the voted-on-law was legal under our Constitution... Maybe we should require that the Constitution be put up for vote again...could be interesting. Considering this ruling was in Utah (home of the largest # of LDS in the country), the chances are the judges are very conservative...from their shiny white teeth to their sacred undies....

[Kalkin]

Sure ... hermaphrodites present an incredible problem for conservatives ...
No they don't. For every rule, there is an exception to prove it. Next.

especially Personhood wackos who actually believe life begins at the moment of conception ...
Your disjointed logic-train is funny. When did your life as an individual being begin, when you were old enough to abort a child of your own? When your father asked your mom out to the square dance?

Logic says it's the moment their two DNA combined and set into motion the individual that you now are.

[exotix]

No they don't. For every rule, there is an exception to prove it. Next.
Are Hermaphrodites gay or straight ?

[Kalkin]

hmm...'issue should be voted on'??? I kinda thought that the Constitution had already been accepted in this country and didn't need to be voted on...this ruling was based on whether the voted-on-law was legal under our Constitution... Maybe we should require that the Constitution be put up for vote again...could be interesting. Considering this ruling was in Utah (home of the largest # of LDS in the country), the chances are the judges are very conservative...from their shiny white teeth to their sacred undies....
Marriage is a religious institution. Get the government out of it altogether. Stop playing god from DC and bestowing legal gifts and obligations for the institution and let it be a personal commitment between two people, blessed by a church that agrees with their definition of such. Yes, that means some gay church could marry gay people, but no one will get special treatment from government just by virtue of being married.

[Kalkin]

Are Hermaphrodites gay or straight ?
Each one is an individual who can make that decision for themselves. Why would you want to broadbrush them in such a way?

[Kalkin]

Are Hermaphrodites gay or straight ?
You must've missed the second half of my post. Here it is again:

When did your life as an individual being begin, when you were old enough to abort a child of your own? When your father asked your mom out to the square dance?

Logic says it's the moment their two DNA combined and set into motion the individual that you now are.
Answer or evade, it's all on you and your reputation.

[PolWatch]

I don't believe any church should be forced to perform a marriage ceremony for a union they don't believe in...but I also believe that not allowing homosexual couples the same legal benefits that heterosexual couples get is right either. Marriages require a license which is government issued and should be equally available to all consenting adults. Government & religion should be separate.

[exotix]

Each one is an individual who can make that decision for themselves. Why would you want to broadbrush them in such a way?
You must've missed the second half of my post. Here it is again:

Answer or evade, it's all on you and your reputation.
I'm trying to whack you out because God *created* thus loves gays too.