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keyser soze
04-11-2012, 10:31 AM
A good read...


American Decline: Debated, Contested, Obvious


By William Pfaff (http://www.truthdig.com/william_pfaff)

Is the United States in decline? You would certainly think so from the publishers’ lists, although some of the new books, written by determined neoconservatives resisting indictment for complicity in causing the decline, such as Robert Kagan, are arguing that it’s only a very little decline, and temporary, and will end in November when the teapot boils. Certainly President Barack Obama forswears declinism. Anyone who says that America is in decline, “or that our influence has waned, doesn’t know what they are talking about,” he said in his State of the Union address.

Well, actually, the only people who can really say that are those who haven’t been to Europe or the major Asian states recently, where everything works beautifully, even if Europe’s debts are not paid off. The 200 mph trains that crisscross Europe not only run on time but give you money back if they are late. The hotels in Singapore, Tokyo and the Arabian Gulf surpass all rivals. Their national airlines provide unparalleled service, and even room enough to sit comfortably in economy.

Even the American government luxuriates abroad. Have you ever been an overnight guest in the visiting officers’ apartments of any major American military base abroad? (Not in a combat zone, to be sure!) I have. It’s like Air Force One. And you can bet that everything works, every luxury and comfort provided, every wish granted and whim gratified. What great fun for the little Obama girls! The rest of us usually fly economy.

Why the decline? First: globalization and what it did to destroy the domestic American economy in which ordinary people live. Globalization was the product of an economic ideology that said removing all regulation would guarantee free markets that would automatically produce maximum economic efficiencies, and consequent profit, in every realm of human activity, except war and peace. (Other priorities governed war and peace.)

Second: mindless oversimplification plus ignorance, following from collapsing public education. The latter has a cause that it has not been politically acceptable to identify: the liberation of women. In the United States before the Second World War, teaching in public (or parochial) schools was virtually the only serious work open to university-educated women. They educated America. They now have other things to do, for which we give thanks. But the nation suffers the consequences.



Much more here
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/american_decline_debated_contested_obvious_2012041 0/

I found this comment interesting..
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/american_decline_debated_contested_obvious_2012041 0/#478609

Conley
04-11-2012, 10:41 AM
What? Everything in Europe works perfectly? Europe is in major trouble. Has he not been following what's been going on in Spain - the unemployment, the civil unrest? France and the UK aren't far behind.

Hotels in the Arabian Gulf surpass all rivals? They employ armies of foreign workers basically held hostage by slave wages. Yes, great hotels if you overlook the human rights abuses.

Is this a joke that I'm not getting?

Alias
04-11-2012, 10:42 AM
So the writer is proposing that the USA become like Europe. Is that the point?

Mister D
04-11-2012, 10:47 AM
So the writer is proposing that the USA become like Europe. Is that the point?

Well, it would be a good thing if we acknowledged that multiculturalism has been an abject failure and that "diversity" is not beneficial to a society as the Europeans have.

keyser soze
04-11-2012, 10:48 AM
What? Everything in Europe works perfectly? Europe is in major trouble. Has he not been following what's been going on in Spain - the unemployment, the civil unrest? France and the UK aren't far behind.

Hotels in the Arabian Gulf surpass all rivals? They employ armies of foreign workers basically held hostage by slave wages. Yes, great hotels if you overlook the human rights abuses.

Is this a joke that I'm not getting?
You're not getting it...consider the infrastructure and we have a lot of human rights abuses right here in the good ol USA...have you forgotten that? Everyones phone, email, facebook, computer etc. is being tapped now...no court order necessary. We are falling behind in many ways and it's been noticed. We are so insulated here we have no comparison unless we travel...maybe some of the travelers will comment.

Mister D
04-11-2012, 10:50 AM
You're not getting it...consider the infrastructure and we have a lot of human rights abuses right here in the good ol USA...have you forgotten that? Everyones phone, email, facebook, computer etc. is being tapped now...no court order necessary. We are falling behind in many ways and it's been noticed. We are so insulated here we have no comparison unless we travel...maybe some of the travelers will comment.

Those aren't "human rights abuses" and, no, everyone's "phone, email, facebook, computer etc." is not being tapped.

Conley
04-11-2012, 10:56 AM
You're not getting it...consider the infrastructure and we have a lot of human rights abuses right here in the good ol USA...have you forgotten that? Everyones phone, email, facebook, computer etc. is being tapped now...no court order necessary. We are falling behind in many ways and it's been noticed. We are so insulated here we have no comparison unless we travel...maybe some of the travelers will comment.

I travel plenty and no offense, but Europe is in crisis.

Spanish unemployment is over twenty percent - http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-04-29/spanish-unemployment-rate-rises-to-more-than-21-as-inflation-accelerates.html. Europe is on the verge of a currency collapse.

As for comparing human rights abuses in the Middle East with the United States, I'm not sure where to start with that. Getting your phone tapped is not comparable.

http://www.amnestyusa.org/our-work/countries/middle-east-and-north-africa

Look, America has ample room for improvement. There are certainly many individual things that other countries do better than our country, especially when it comes to comparing government effectiveness. The argument breaks down when one paints these countries as utopias where "everything works beautifully". It doesn't. Europe does have great trains though.

Alias
04-11-2012, 11:00 AM
You're not getting it...consider the infrastructure and we have a lot of human rights abuses right here in the good ol USA...have you forgotten that? Everyones phone, email, facebook, computer etc. is being tapped now...no court order necessary. We are falling behind in many ways and it's been noticed. We are so insulated here we have no comparison unless we travel...maybe some of the travelers will comment.

Why do we need to compare ourselves to Europe? What's the purpose?

Mister D
04-11-2012, 11:02 AM
Why do we need to compare ourselves to Europe? What's the purpose?

Your average progressive idolizes Europe.

Mainecoons
04-11-2012, 01:38 PM
Well, actually, the only people who can really say that are those who haven’t been to Europe or the major Asian states recently, where everything works beautifully, even if Europe’s debts are not paid off.

That's the line that makes this op ed look a little silly. You don't have to follow conservative sites to know what a joke this is, just follow the mainstream financial sites like CNBC, Bloomberg, WSJ and follow what is going on there.


Even the American government luxuriates abroad. Have you ever been an overnight guest in the visiting officers’ apartments of any major American military base abroad? (Not in a combat zone, to be sure!) I have. It’s like Air Force One. And you can bet that everything works, every luxury and comfort provided, every wish granted and whim gratified. What great fun for the little Obama girls! The rest of us usually fly economy.

Yes, the U.S. government is living beyond our means. Tell us something we don't know. At last count, 46 percent of the budget is being borrowed. Leftist government at its best.

Education has collapsed? No kidding. More good work from the left and the unions. The teachers aren't dumbed down because they are any less able than before, the colleges they attend are dumbed down leftist propaganda mills.

Like this one:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/portland-state-university-offering-revolutionary-marxism-course-and-wait-until-you-see-the-syllabus/

If you think Portland State is unique in teaching stuff like this, I have some oceanfront property just outside of Phoenix I'll give you a great deal on. Unlimited beach! :grin: