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dadakarma
04-12-2012, 11:12 AM
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keyser soze
04-12-2012, 11:19 AM
Yeah, sure he does....that's why he said it in the first place. This has been going on for a long time but it's not racist you know...no it's the democrats and liberals that are racist.

keyser soze
04-12-2012, 11:28 AM
Absolutely...and don't forget Bush/Cheney weren't one of them...no, not at all.... :rofl:

Alias
04-12-2012, 11:41 AM
ThinkProgress newsflash:

Conservative Billionaire Foster Friess Makes Obama Assassination Joke (http://thinkprogress.org/special/2012/04/12/463216/foster-friess-obama-assasination/) | Foster Friess, the billionaire conservative donor who almost single-handedly funded the Super PAC backing Rick Santorum and has now vowed to support Mitt Romney, made a joke about an assassination attempt on President Obama. In an interview on Fox Business, Friess said, “There are a lot of things that haven’t been hammered at because Rick and Mitt have been going at each other. Now that they have trained their barrels on President Obama, I hope his teleprompters are bullet-proof (http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-gop-donor-wonders-if-obamas-teleprompters-are-bulletproof-20120411,0,6451593.story).” In a follow-up interview with ABC, he said he regretted the remark (http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/04/romney-campaign-reaches-out-to-foster-friess-pledges-his-support-but-honestly-would-still-like-santorum-to-be-in-the-fray/).

Do you think he should be arrested?

Alias
04-12-2012, 11:44 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuyOjdZ4W4I

Mainecoons
04-12-2012, 12:58 PM
It's all Bush's fault!

Alias
04-12-2012, 01:03 PM
Another left wing trash talker has to apologize. Keep it coming and stay classy. Even Whoopi Goldberg reprimanded her.

http://www.breitbart.com/

Mister D
04-12-2012, 01:34 PM
Meet the rioting Negroes at Burger King. :smiley:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuC5Osh5HDs&feature=player_embedded

Mister D
04-12-2012, 01:39 PM
^unwatched.

Gimme my Whoppa, muthufacka!

Alias
04-12-2012, 05:08 PM
^unwatched.

Reality is scary for some people.

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTKe0zeIqR7OX3Cgvs86DdetgkW4s7jA jfcUvS10KRpLtM5GLCoM_wroJ4uxQ

Mainecoons
04-12-2012, 05:15 PM
Which one you think she looks like?

ramone
04-12-2012, 05:29 PM
Which one you think she looks like?

I figure they are all better looking than the autistic one who babbles and is on ignore. I did unfortunately see a quoted post so I'll respond to the coherent and aware people here.

Lets see how this stacks up so the race card can't be thrown out there. How many death threats have the Bl@ck Kitty's thrown out there over the years. Where is the outrage, a bounty on somebodies head and posted on twitter by the NBP's spokesperson who has been convicted of, HOW many crimes?

Get a grip liberals, You are not making any sense here.

Alias
04-12-2012, 05:54 PM
They're weak parrots. Propgandists only have to talk. They don't have to reason with an argument.

keyser soze
04-12-2012, 06:02 PM
You can't make a coherent argument so you attack people personally...it's been going on for quite a while...you're little more than thugs. You deny there is racism and then attempt to prove that there is black racism...wow, no one knew there were blacks that react and hate whites...I'm surprised there aren't more of them. Are they any kind of real threat? Are they as much a threat as the abortion clinic bombers or the 'patriots' roaming around on the boarder looking for illegals to kill? How about the armed 'against the rules' neighborhood watch vigilantes? How many blacks have been killed using 'stand your ground' rules? Do you even have a clear understanding of Florida's history regarding race, the KKK and the version of justice that has prevailed there?

It isn't as though you're interested...you just parrot your Fox News talking points...or Breitbart, of any number of RWA's sites that spew misinformation and hate. Have at it...when you can discuss rationally without making personal attacks you might get someone to talk to you but I've seen damned little of that from the 'crew' here...you know who you are...there are about 4/5 of you and all that's needed is to say something and off you go...post after post and next to nothing about the topic.

Losers..

Mister D
04-12-2012, 06:06 PM
Who denies there is racism in America? There is racism all over the world. Why do you always resort to straw man arguments?

Secondly, did you really just invoke the specter of the KKK in reference to the alleged crime of a Peruvian mestizo? Really?

Third, no one here watches Fox.

Try again.

Mainecoons
04-12-2012, 06:21 PM
Wow, what a rant. Whatsamatter sonny, getting your butt kicked repeatedly here starting to get under your skin? :grin:


'patriots' roaming around on the boarder looking for illegals to kill?

Really? Can you identify even one such group that has shot at, let alone killed an illegal?


How many blacks have been killed using 'stand your ground' rules?

Dunno, we await your sourced answer to this bit of hysteria. Has to be some since blacks are disproportionately represented in the ranks of street crime.


I'm surprised there aren't more of them. Are they any kind of real threat?

Have one of them put a bounty on your head and you'll have an answer.

I'm wondering, what do you think of Mr. Obama's obvious racial bias given that he has been the beneficiary of non-stop help from white radicals and leftist colleges despite a lifetime of truly minimal actual accomplishments? How can a guy who has been given more than his due every step of the way still have such a hard on for whites? Why would someone like this sit in front of Jeremiah Wright for 20 years and suck up the hate? Talk about biting the hand the fed you right into the White House.

Perhaps if one of your little cadre of liberal fools starts a thread about black bigots, we might get some glimmer that any of you are little better than propagandized drones for the DNC. Until then, if you want to keep posting one-sided crap here, expect to get handled by people who have been at the game of life a whole lot longer than you have.

Mainecoons
04-12-2012, 06:32 PM
Shawna Forde, a border vigilante (http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=1801057&page=1), was sentenced to death today for the murders of a 9-year-old Arivaca, Ariz., girl and her father in a home invasion she orchestrated to rob the family.

And he said:


'patriots' roaming around on the boarder looking for illegals to kill?

And I said:


Really? Can you identify even one such group that has shot at, let alone killed an illegal?

Question stands. The fact that a Minute person commited an unrelated crime of murder while engaged in robbery, which she was convicted for, doesn't answer my question to Keyser.

Mister D
04-12-2012, 06:34 PM
Shawna Forde. Minutemen.

Another epic fail as Maine pointed out. :laugh:

Mister D
04-12-2012, 06:36 PM
LOL! Defending the Minutemen and Shawna Forde. What a compliant little bigot you are. :roflmao:

He has defended neither. Are you becoming senile? :roflmao:

Mainecoons
04-12-2012, 06:38 PM
Amazing isn't it? Did she think I was just going to take anything she posts at face value and not look it up?


Ms. Thomas and fellow jurors were told during the trial that Ms. Forde and accomplices gained entry to the Flores home with the expectation of finding drugs there, which could be sold to finance Minutemen American Defense's border-control operations. Finding no drugs, the intruders made away with inexpensive jewelry but, prosecutors said, not before fatally shooting young Brisenia and Mr. Flores. Both victims were American citizens born in the US (http://thepoliticalforums.com/tags/topic/United+States).

:rofl:

Mister D
04-12-2012, 06:38 PM
Let's see...Mister D, Mainecoons....

so far I count two right-wing bigots just on this thread....

Still have nothing but ad hominem, granny?

Mainecoons
04-12-2012, 06:39 PM
And I count one fool who thinks people aren't going to check out everything she posts because far too often we find lies and misrepresentations. Like the above.

:grin:

Mister D
04-12-2012, 06:39 PM
Amazing isn't it? Did she think I was just going to take anything she posts at face value and not look it up?



:rofl:

It's kind of disturbing, actually. This cretin is allowed to vote.

Mister D
04-12-2012, 06:40 PM
And I count one fool who thinks people aren't going to check out everything she posts because far too often we find lies and misrepresentations. Like the above.

:grin:

She's not lying, Maine. That's the scary part. She believes what she's saying.

Mister D
04-12-2012, 06:42 PM
When I get caught in a lie I post emoticons...yeah...I feel better when I do that :embarrassed:

It's OK ya dopey old broad. :smiley:

Mainecoons
04-12-2012, 06:42 PM
I know enough to check out everything you post. Good thing, eh?

I hope Keyser wasn't thinking of this when he made his rant. You've been caught in a phony answer, now STFU and let Keyser answer the question.

Keyser?

Mainecoons
04-12-2012, 06:43 PM
She's not lying, Maine. That's the scary part. She believes what she's saying.

No, I think she tried to get away with something here and it didn't work.

Mister D
04-12-2012, 06:45 PM
No, I think she tried to get away with something here and it didn't work.

I think you're overestimating her but you might be right.

Mister D
04-12-2012, 06:45 PM
I know enough to check out everything you post. Good thing, eh?

I hope Keyser wasn't thinking of this when he made his rant. You've been caught in a phony answer, now STFU and let Keyser answer the question.

Keyser?

We won't see Keyser again on this thread. :grin:

Mainecoons
04-12-2012, 07:01 PM
Ah, you can read the minds of the dead too so you know what she "thought."

No wonder you know how they're going to vote after they are dead.

:rofl:

Mainecoons
04-12-2012, 07:12 PM
Not surprising given how long it takes to actually carry out a death sentence in the U.S. Something else we have to thank liberals for.

BTW it probably will surprise you to know that I oppose the death penalty. Not because I don't believe a lot of these folks, like Shawna, deserve it but simply because government is so incompetent that I don't trust them with anyone's life.

Now please tell us how you know what she was thinking since all the references I find indicate that they thought the place was a drug house and they wanted to rob it so as to finance their activities.

Of course, if your incompetent government were doing its job maybe decent citizens, let alone nut jobs like these, wouldn't feel the need to take the law into their own hands.

There is a bright side to this: Thanks to Obama's handling of the economy, the illegals have pretty much stopped coming and in fact are returning to Mexico, where many, but not all, come from. So maybe Barack's solution to illegal immigration is to wreck the U.S. economy so thoroughly that no one will want to come.

Seems to be working.

:grin:

Mainecoons
04-12-2012, 07:37 PM
My my my, poor Dada really gets pissy when she gets caught making stuff up.

Yep, its the middle monkey for sure.

:rofl:

Mainecoons
04-12-2012, 07:42 PM
Uh oh, she's out of gas again!

:rofl:

Mister D
04-12-2012, 07:50 PM
What is this obsession with bumping and derailing threads? Granny, stop taking this so seriously.

Mister D
04-12-2012, 07:53 PM
^ thanks for the bump! :)

No problem, nasty old bigot! :smiley:

ramone
04-12-2012, 07:53 PM
There is a bright side to this: Thanks to Obama's handling of the economy, the illegals have pretty much stopped coming and in fact are returning to Mexico, where many, but not all, come from. So maybe Barack's solution to illegal immigration is to wreck the U.S. economy so thoroughly that no one will want to come.

Seems to be working.

:grin:

Agreed, in a effort to give the country away to illegals and convert the republic into a socialist welfare state, this imbecile has actually screwed himself in the process by fu*king over the economy and ensuring that nobody wants to come here.

keyser soze
05-02-2012, 11:27 AM
The truly strange thing about this story is that she used this bit of nonsense to support the proscription of gay marriage. I have to wonder, once again, what the hell goes on in peoples heads.

Mister D
05-02-2012, 11:28 AM
This is hearsay.

In any case, blacks are likely to approve of it judging by previous reactions in CA, for example.

Mister D
05-02-2012, 11:29 AM
The truly strange thing about this story is that she used this bit of nonsense to support the proscription of gay marriage. I have to wonder, once again, what the hell goes on in peoples heads.

On the other hand, it's not truly strange that you believe everything you're told. Indeed, what does go on in peoples heads?

keyser soze
05-02-2012, 11:29 AM
Agreed, in a effort to give the country away to illegals and convert the republic into a socialist welfare state, this imbecile has actually screwed himself in the process by fu*king over the economy and ensuring that nobody wants to come here.

It was known before Bush left that this was happening...that people were returning due to the economy...so Bush gets credit too.

Alias
05-02-2012, 11:33 AM
Wife of NC State Senator: Amendment One Needed ‘To Protect the Caucasian Race’ (http://pamshouseblend.firedoglake.com/2012/05/02/wife-of-nc-state-senator-says-amendment-one-is-necessaryto-protect-the-caucasian-race/)

I don’t even know where to begin to unpack this trash (http://yesweeklyblog.blogspot.com/2012/05/racialized-remark-about-marriage.html). Chad Nance who is a freelance journalist in Winston-Salem and is covering the election here in NC, recorded the wife of NC Sen. Peter Brunstetter (http://www.ncleg.net/gascripts/members/viewMember.pl?sChamber=S&nUserID=223) confirming that she believes that Amendment One’s destiny is not only to save marriage, it apparently also has something to do with white power preservation. (!)

Nance said he recorded a conversation with the woman, whose name is Jodie Brunstetter, on video, and that she confirmed that she used the term “Caucasian” in a discussion about the marriage amendment, but insisted that otherwise her comments had been taken out of context by other poll workers.
…Nance paraphrased the remarks, as told to him by those who were present:

“During the conversation, Ms. Brunstetter said her husband was the architect of Amendment 1, and one of the reasons he wrote it was to protect the Caucasian race. She said Caucasians or whites created this country. We wrote the Constitution. This is about protecting the Constitution. There already is a law on the books against same-sex marriage, but this protects the Constitution from activist judges.”

Nance said he recruited a friend, who works for the Coalition to Protect All North Carolina Families, to witness his interview with Jodie Brunstetter. He said Brunstetter reluctantly acknowledged that she had used the term “Caucasian” and then repeated the statement previously attributed to her, but substituted the pronoun “we” for “Caucasian. Nance said Brunstetter insisted there was nothing racial about her remarks, but could not explain why she used the term “Caucasian.”




God. Bless. America.

I hope all the black folks here in the state who haven’t yet gone to the polls take note of the Brunstetter’s worldview.


http://pamshouseblend.firedoglake.com/2012/05/02/wife-of-nc-state-senator-says-amendment-one-is-necessaryto-protect-the-caucasian-race/

No video is presented. All you have is hearsay and gossip. Fail, big time.

Alias
05-02-2012, 11:34 AM
A phone message left at the Brunstetter residence in Lewisville was not immediately returned. Peter Brunstetter has served in the state Senate since 2006, when he was appointed to replace the late Ham Horton. Brunstetter has no primary opponent, but will face Democrat Delmas Parker in the November general election.

Nance provided an edited transcript from the video. I’ve left all spelling and punctuation errors intact to preserve its integrity. Nance said he is working with a local TV news outfit to disseminate the footage and plans to post it in entirety so that people will be satisfied that he has not taken Brunstetter’s words out of context or manipulated their meaning in any way.

Transcript follows:

MICHAEL:

“I had my back to her like this. She said, 'The reason my husband my husband wrote Amendment 1 was because the Caucasian race is diminishing and we need to uh, reproduce.”

UNIDENTIFIED POLL WORKER: “(Mrs. Brunsetter said) … the Caucasian race is diminishing. ?The reason that's a problem is that it was white people that founded this country.”

“She just wants a white majority so the good 'ol US of A can stay white.”

Brunsetter:

We are looking at the history of the United States and it is already law about what marriage is. Between a man and a woman. And we are looking at how American has been a great country. That's why people are coming here. And people who fouinded the United states wrote a Constitution and it has been what has preserved this society. And we were just talking about lots of different things which the gentleman was turning around.

Me:

You didn't tell that one lady that it was to preserve the Caucasian race because they were becoming a minority?

Brunsetter:

No.

Me:

She's lying?

Brunsetter:

No. It's just that same sex marriages are not having children.

Me:

Yeahm but you didn't say anything about Caucasians, white people, preserving them that's why it was written?

Brunsetter:

No I'm afraid they have made it a racial issue when it is not.

Me:

She didn't say it was a racial issue. She said that you had said that opart of the reason it had been sponsored and written was to preserve the white race.

(a moment later) … you didn't say anything about Caucasians?

Brunsetter:

I probably said the word.

Me:

You didn't tell her anything about Caucasians?

Silence.

Me:

I want you to clear it up if you could.

Brunsetter:

Right now I am a little confused myself because there has been confusion here today about this amendment where it is very simple. The opponents are saying things that are not true and there has been a lot of conversation back and forth.

Right now I have some heat stroke going on. Um there has been lots of confusion.

Me:

Did you say anything about Caucasians?

Brunsetter: If I did it wasn't anything race related.

Me:

But it is about identifying a race. No context on Caucasians?

Brunsetter:

There has been so much talk about this point that there is just a lot of confusion.

Me:

You're not going to be able to explain it?

Brunsetter:

Well, it's a little hard.


http://yesweeklyblog.blogspot.com/2012/05/racialized-remark-about-marriage.html




If you keep reading the blogs of sick people, guess what?

Alias
05-02-2012, 11:35 AM
The truly strange thing about this story is that she used this bit of nonsense to support the proscription of gay marriage. I have to wonder, once again, what the hell goes on in peoples heads.

I have to wonder why so-called educated intelligent people such as yourselves take gossip and propaganda as reality?

Mister D
05-02-2012, 11:35 AM
No video is presented. All you have is hearsay and gossip. Fail, big time.

Some people will believe anything they are told.

Alias
05-02-2012, 11:37 AM
Some people will believe anything they are told.

It's fascinating. It's like children sitting around a camp fire, taking turns trying to outscare the other ones.

keyser soze
05-02-2012, 11:38 AM
I have heard this line of thinking many times. The notion that whites are going to be a minority in this country terrifies some people...probably because of the treatment minorities are privy to. The answer is to prevent abortions, birth control, close the boarders, etc. etc. etc....save the white majority!!

Mister D
05-02-2012, 11:39 AM
It's fascinating. It's like children sitting around a camp fire, taking turns trying to outscare the other ones.

What they are trying to do is fairly obvious. They know blacks as a group are likely to support the amendment so they are trying to cause some racial tension in an effort to help suppress black support.

Mister D
05-02-2012, 11:40 AM
I have heard this line of thinking many times. The notion that whites are going to be a minority in this country terrifies some people...probably because of the treatment minorities are privy to. The answer is to prevent abortions, birth control, close the boarders, etc. etc. etc....save the white majority!!

What's wrong with that?

Alias
05-02-2012, 11:40 AM
I have heard this line of thinking many times. The notion that whites are going to be a minority in this country terrifies some people...probably because of the treatment minorities are privy to. The answer is to prevent abortions, birth control, close the boarders, etc. etc. etc....save the white majority!!

Do tell. Does that frighten you?

Alias
05-02-2012, 11:42 AM
I hear ya, it's nothing new.

Now this guy's trying to blame the 'caucasian' remarks on heat stroke.

I'll wait to see the video in its entirety. They've said it will be posted soon.

So what does this mean?

keyser soze
05-02-2012, 11:42 AM
Making laws to support this kind of paranoia by restricting other peoples actions is what's wrong with that. It also lends itself to the 'siege mentality' so often displayed.

Alias
05-02-2012, 11:45 AM
Making laws to support this kind of paranoia by restricting other peoples actions is what's wrong with that. It also lends itself to the 'siege mentality' so often displayed.

What law like that was passed? When?

Mister D
05-02-2012, 11:45 AM
Making laws to support this kind of paranoia by restricting other peoples actions is what's wrong with that. It also lends itself to the 'siege mentality' so often displayed.

No one created any law to support any such thing. You just believe whatever you're told. Moreover, blacks are likely to support this law which makes this desperate attempt to suppress black support understandable. In any case, what's paranoid about it?

Alias
05-02-2012, 11:47 AM
Making laws to support this kind of paranoia by restricting other peoples actions is what's wrong with that. It also lends itself to the 'siege mentality' so often displayed.

Tell us what law was passed and when.

Is the "siege mentality" you speak of like the one in the Trayvon Martin case, Occupy, war on women, etc, etc, etc.

Alias
05-02-2012, 11:48 AM
Now it appears all we have here folks is another giant collossal glittering straw man.

Mister D
05-02-2012, 11:48 AM
Tell us what law was passed and when.

Is the "siege mentality" you speak of like the one in the Trayvon Martin case, Occupy, war on women, etc, etc, etc.

Good point! She accuses others of harboring a "siege mentality" when her own paranoia is pasted all over this forum! :greatjob:

Alias
05-02-2012, 11:50 AM
Good point! She accuses others of harboring a "siege mentality" when her own paranoia is pasted all over this forum! :greatjob:

We're dealing with sick people here.

Alias
05-02-2012, 11:54 AM
The incessant inquiries by Alias demanding your citations of 'laws' in a failed attempt to discredit you should be ignored. He isn't seeking any kind of understanding of the posted article; he's looking to dominate the discussion with his spam-like bullshit. Again. As usual.

Ignore him.

Living in your head, rent free.

There are no laws like your and Keyser's propaganda mentions.

Alias
05-02-2012, 11:56 AM
No, that's in your head, freak show.

There's so much room in your head. On a clear day I can see for miles. You need to work on the plumbing, though.

Mister D
05-02-2012, 11:59 AM
Alias, obviously Dada and Keyser want to stroke each other's egos and create yet another echo chamber for themselves. Perhaps they fear that being questioned on their views will expose their inability to rationally discuss them.

Alias
05-02-2012, 12:00 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTdLwZVudOk

Captain Obvious
05-04-2012, 08:34 PM
Right wing bigots are your friend.

Mister D
05-04-2012, 08:35 PM
Right wing bigots are your friend.

By definition that's not true. A "right wing bigot" is someone who sees anything differently than Dadakarma.

ramone
05-04-2012, 09:17 PM
By definition that's not true. A "right wing bigot" is someone who sees anything differently than Dadakarma.

You kkknow, why is it that some retard like do do tends to control the forum while I have them on ignore and have to skip half the content in an effort to evade stupidity?

Mister D
05-04-2012, 09:22 PM
You kkknow, why is it that some retard like do do tends to control the forum while I have them on ignore and have to skip half the content in an effort to evade stupidity?

Was she controlling the forum?

Conley
05-04-2012, 09:25 PM
Was she controlling the forum?

Not even close.

HogRancher
05-05-2012, 04:37 PM
It's the God-given duty of every Western Christian Nationalist to oppose Obama with every ounce of his/her being. Everything I do is done with the idea of stopping him.

Conley
05-05-2012, 04:44 PM
Doesn't look like it's working.

Mister D
05-05-2012, 04:45 PM
Sounds like someone I remember from another forum. :grin:

HogRancher
05-05-2012, 04:45 PM
Doesn't look like it's working.

The struggle hasn't run its course yet.

spunkloaf
05-05-2012, 05:33 PM
It's the God-given duty of every Western Christian Nationalist to oppose Obama with every ounce of his/her being. Everything I do is done with the idea of stopping him.

http://www.google.com/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://i.qkme.me/362lyg.jpg&sa=X&ei=lKqlT7GnGqOviAKN1KySAg&ved=0CAkQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNHOQ80WptPh2ibT8iJNB-dqL1MEaw

spunkloaf
05-05-2012, 05:34 PM
The struggle hasn't run its course yet.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0pxlstrgq1qa29uz.gif

Vilifier of Zombies
05-05-2012, 06:14 PM
It's the God-given duty of every Western Christian Nationalist to oppose Obama with every ounce of his/her being. Everything I do is done with the idea of stopping him.

It's funny that you bring Jesus into the fray - like Jesus just said the other day - "vote against Obama - or else you're going to hell!"

What is it with you fellas that you'd have to insert religion as if it were relevant to the discussion - on a thread titled "Right Wing Bigots" no less - how's that adding to the flow of the discussion or even helping your cause?

Achtung
05-05-2012, 06:24 PM
Right wing bigots now means anyone who opposes or disagrees with Dear Leader. Such a joke.

Conley
05-05-2012, 06:37 PM
It's not just right wing bigots who are upset with Obama and his policies. He never stood a chance with real right wing bigots but independents and non-bigots alike are disappointed with the job he's done.

Achtung
05-05-2012, 06:42 PM
He never stood a chance with real right wing bigots but independents and non-bigots alike are disappointed with the job he's done.Disappointed Independents and non-bigots are now, you guessed it -- bigots.

The simpleton race-hustler formula is easy peasy. :wink:

Conley
05-05-2012, 06:48 PM
Disappointed Independents and non-bigots are now, you guessed it -- bigots.

The simpleton race-hustler formula is easy peasy. :wink:

You misspelled Sharpton. :grin: Unfortunately there will always be people like that. I ignore them and those dumb enough to fall for the rhetoric.

Achtung
05-05-2012, 06:51 PM
You misspelled Sharpton. :grin: Unfortunately there will always be people like that. I ignore them and those dumb enough to fall for the rhetoric.I look forward to their neutering this Fall. :laugh:

Mister D
05-05-2012, 07:17 PM
I'm disgusted by how a man like Sharpton has become a respectable figure among the elite. Granted, I read "blacks are unreasonable but we need to throw them bone" into it to some extent but those living outside NYC area may not understand what a virus Sharpton is.

Peter1469
05-05-2012, 07:26 PM
It is funny that the term "right wing bigot" is all the rage, when in reality the left, especially the rabid left, are the most vile, disgusting bigoted people in the last 50 years.

Conley
05-05-2012, 07:27 PM
I haven't heard the term anywhere but on this website.

Mister D
05-05-2012, 07:33 PM
It is funny that the term "right wing bigot" is all the rage, when in reality the left, especially the rabid left, are the most vile, disgusting bigoted people in the last 50 years.

Absofuckinglutely. Disagree with them and you're not just a dumb ass but a moral monster.

Mister D
05-05-2012, 07:34 PM
It really does amuse me how someone who would create a threat like this could complain about..well anything.

spunkloaf
05-05-2012, 07:37 PM
Well I think you guys are reading too far in to one side of things. Be careful not to see the faults of one side as to forgive the faults of the other. I see that alot lately, and it's equally deplorable.

Peter1469
05-05-2012, 07:39 PM
It is nothing but a Saul Alinsky Rules for Radicals talking-point. Only mindless zombies actually believe it when they projectile vomit the words out. A civilized nation would strip them of their citizenship and right to vote and mock them.

dsolo802
05-05-2012, 07:44 PM
It is nothing but a Saul Alinsky Rules for Radicals talking-point. Only mindless zombies actually believe it when they projectile vomit the words out. A civilized nation would strip them of their citizenship and right to vote and mock them.Tsk, tsk. This kind of analysis is just sad.

Radical talking points? Too funny.

Conley
05-05-2012, 07:50 PM
Left wing radicals, right wing radicals...I have no use for any of them.

dsolo802
05-05-2012, 07:53 PM
Left wing radicals, right wing radicals...I have no use for any of them.I am mainly against free radicals, which is why I'm in favor of aunti-oxidants and uncle-oxidants.

Conley
05-05-2012, 08:00 PM
I am mainly against free radicals, which is why I'm in favor of aunti-oxidants and uncle-oxidants.

Indeed, the really bad radicals get locked up.

Achtung
05-05-2012, 08:08 PM
Well I think you guys are reading too far in to one side of things. Be careful not to see the faults of one side as to forgive the faults of the other. I see that alot lately, and it's equally deplorable.I'm curious what the recent right-right parallel to calling everyone who disagrees with them a racist or bigot is. Haven't encountered anything on-par with this brand of repetitive character assassination.

Conley
05-05-2012, 08:11 PM
Hmm. Maybe when left-wingers criticize the right and are called unpatriotic, American hating, anti-Christian, etc. There are varying degrees of the insults but you get the idea.

dsolo802
05-05-2012, 08:12 PM
Indeed, the really bad radicals get locked up.We have general consensus about that from a group of colorful characters billed as "The Talking Points"

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Mister D
05-05-2012, 08:16 PM
Hmm. Maybe when left-wingers criticize the right and are called unpatriotic, American hating, anti-Christian, etc. There are varying degrees of the insults but you get the idea.

Anti-Christian seems like an apt description and I could point to this forum.

Conley
05-05-2012, 08:17 PM
Anti-Christian seems like an apt description and I could point to this forum.

Of the entire left? And how many on the left would you say we have at this forum?

Mister D
05-05-2012, 08:21 PM
Of the entire left? And how many on the left would you say we have at this forum?

You didn't say anything about the entire left. You said:


Hmm. Maybe when left-wingers criticize the right and are called unpatriotic, American hating, anti-Christian, etc. There are varying degrees of the insults but you get the idea.

Many left wingers, at least in my experience, are in fact anti-Christian. Granted, they're about as familiar with Christian theology as they are with the surface of the moon but that's beside the point.

Mister D
05-05-2012, 08:22 PM
A majority of the "left wingers" we have had here, for example, have been anti-Christian.

Captain Obvious
05-05-2012, 09:07 PM
You didn't say anything about the entire left. You said:



Many left wingers, at least in my experience, are in fact anti-Christian. Granted, they're about as familiar with Christian theology as they are with the surface of the moon but that's beside the point.

That's true in a lot of cases.

Many who can't stand Howard Stern have never heard a segment of his radio show, for example.

Peter1469
05-05-2012, 10:07 PM
Tsk, tsk. This kind of analysis is just sad.

Radical talking points? Too funny.

Absolutely not. You can't run from the known tactics of the left. You can condemn them and separate yourself from them. Will you do that?

dsolo802
05-06-2012, 01:02 AM
Absolutely not. You can't run from the known tactics of the left. I've heard there are crusades - and have asked for an example. So far, no one has offered to give any.


You can condemn them and separate yourself from them. Will you do that?Give me what you consider to be examples, and I'll tell you whether or not I agree that you've identified a crusade, and whether or not I would separate myself from it.

dsolo802
05-06-2012, 01:05 AM
A majority of the "left wingers" we have had here, for example, have been anti-Christian.Virtually all people who are "left wing" are pro-choice: Meaning they want everyone free to be religious in their own way without the government taking sides. That is only "anti-Christian" if you believe that government should favor Christianity.

Peter1469
05-06-2012, 08:46 AM
I've heard there are crusades - and have asked for an example. So far, no one has offered to give any.

Give me what you consider to be examples, and I'll tell you whether or not I agree that you've identified a crusade, and whether or not I would separate myself from it.

We have the famous http://war on woman
And don't forget that republicans want dirty air and dirty water.

Mister D
05-06-2012, 08:57 AM
Virtually all people who are "left wing" are pro-choice: Meaning they want everyone free to be religious in their own way without the government taking sides. That is only "anti-Christian" if you believe that government should favor Christianity.

Those referred to simply cannot speak of Christianity without attacking it. If I need to provide examples let me know.

wingrider
05-06-2012, 09:33 AM
Virtually all people who are "left wing" are pro-choice: Meaning they want everyone free to be religious in their own way without the government taking sides. That is only "anti-Christian" if you believe that government should favor Christianity.
well I for one don't want government to "favor" christianity . but at the same time I don't want government passing laws that " prohibiting the free exercise thereof" I want government to stay completly away from any input involving religion,

dsolo802
05-06-2012, 09:37 AM
Those referred to simply cannot speak of Christianity without attacking it. If I need to provide examples let me know.Yes, Mister D, I would appreciate examples, and in sufficient numbers to justify the claim that is being made about literally millions who comprise "the Left."

I note that even when it comes to progressive people of some national repute, such exceptions as Christopher Hitchens and Bill Maher, prove the rule. Indeed, when Maher on his show bashes Christianity in particular and religion in general, he ALWAYS finds himself in STRONG disagreement not only with conservative guests but, very noticeably, with his progressive guests as well.

The eagerness of people like me to apply the Establishment Clause as it has been interpreted by the Court stems not only from the view that religion corrupts good government, but also from the view that Government corrupts the free exercise of religion too.

I would go one step further: To call people like me a worshiper of secularism, which is right down the line with the talking points, is factually dead wrong, entirely baseless, and part of the hyper-partisan characterization of "the enemy" that would confuse everyone into thinking that there is this huge gulf on religious practice between people like you and me. For the GOP to market itself as the party of God is understandable. Product differentiation has been made on the basis of slimmer reeds than this. But for intelligent people to believe it? From my view, that's just the team spirit talking.

Mister D
05-06-2012, 09:39 AM
Yes, Mister D, I would appreciate examples, and in sufficient numbers to justify the claim that is being made about literally millions who comprise "the Left."

I note that even when it comes to progressive people of some national repute, such exceptions as Christopher Hitchens and Bill Maher, prove the rule. Indeed, when Maher on his show bashes Christianity in particular and religion in general, he ALWAYS finds himself in STRONG disagreement not only with conservative guests but, very noticeably, with his progressive guests as well.

The eagerness of people like me to apply the Establishment Clause as it has been interpreted by the Court stems not only from the view that religion corrupts good government, but also from the view that Government corrupts the free exercise of religion too.

I would go one step further: To call people like me a worshiper of secularism, which is right down the line with the talking points, is factually dead wrong, entirely baseless, and part of the hyper-partisan characterization of "the enemy" that would confuse everyone into thinking that there is this huge gulf on religious practice between people like you and me. For the GOP to market itself as the party of God is understandable. Product differentiation has been made on the basis of slimmer reeds than this. But for intelligent people to believe it? From my view, that's just the team spirit talking.

I will sift through the posts of some of our members and post them here for you.

Alias
05-06-2012, 09:49 AM
It's funny that you bring Jesus into the fray - like Jesus just said the other day - "vote against Obama - or else you're going to hell!"

What is it with you fellas that you'd have to insert religion as if it were relevant to the discussion - on a thread titled "Right Wing Bigots" no less - how's that adding to the flow of the discussion or even helping your cause?

I think the resident Christophobe is trying to say something relevant.

HogRancher
05-06-2012, 09:52 AM
The label 'Christian' is dangerously misleading. It generally refers to a community of duped fools, obedient to Political Correctness, disguised as Jesus Christ. Subconsciously, many of these sheep-people believe Obama is god. They find 'proof' of this by attending church, listening to their preachers, and surrendering their reasoning to the herd-flock. They're unwitting collaborators with Evil, all under the rubric, "CHRISTIAN".

wingrider
05-06-2012, 09:52 AM
he was?? sorry I must have missed the relevency of it.

Alias
05-06-2012, 09:53 AM
Yes, Mister D, I would appreciate examples, and in sufficient numbers to justify the claim that is being made about literally millions who comprise "the Left."

I note that even when it comes to progressive people of some national repute, such exceptions as Christopher Hitchens and Bill Maher, prove the rule. Indeed, when Maher on his show bashes Christianity in particular and religion in general, he ALWAYS finds himself in STRONG disagreement not only with conservative guests but, very noticeably, with his progressive guests as well.

The eagerness of people like me to apply the Establishment Clause as it has been interpreted by the Court stems not only from the view that religion corrupts good government, but also from the view that Government corrupts the free exercise of religion too.

I would go one step further: To call people like me a worshiper of secularism, which is right down the line with the talking points, is factually dead wrong, entirely baseless, and part of the hyper-partisan characterization of "the enemy" that would confuse everyone into thinking that there is this huge gulf on religious practice between people like you and me. For the GOP to market itself as the party of God is understandable. Product differentiation has been made on the basis of slimmer reeds than this. But for intelligent people to believe it? From my view, that's just the team spirit talking.

Obama claims to be a Christian. Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden are Christian Catholics. I disagree that the republican party bills itself as "the party of God.

If you think the republicansw are in love with Jesus, you should attend a few Tea Party events.

dsolo802
05-06-2012, 09:55 AM
well I for one don't want government to "favor" christianity . but at the same time I don't want government passing laws that " prohibiting the free exercise thereof" I want government to stay completly away from any input involving religion,We agree.

Government should remain neutral.

wingrider
05-06-2012, 09:57 AM
The label 'Christian' is dangerously misleading. It generally refers to a community of duped fools, obedient to Political Correctness, disguised as Jesus Christ. Subconsciously, many of these sheep-people believe Obama is god. They find 'proof' of this by attending church, listening to their preachers, and surrendering their reasoning to the herd-flock. They're unwitting collaborators with Evil, all under the rubric, "CHRISTIAN". what?? you have absolutly no clue as to what a Christain is...

Alias
05-06-2012, 09:57 AM
We agree.

Government should remain neutral.

It doesn't. God was FORCED out of the public schools.

Mister D
05-06-2012, 10:04 AM
Here we have a delightful thread about an "American Taliban" in which one of our members interprets disagreement and respect for life as hatred for women. This hatred is of course motivated by their diabolical religion of Christianity.

http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/3043-Men-At-Work-Or-How-The-American-Taliban-Is-Making-America-Safe?highlight=xtians

Here we have several members grossly distorting the Pope's comments.

http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/2938-Pope-Demands-Less-Focus-On-Poverty-And-More-On-Hatred?highlight=xtians

Here we have a member arguing that Christianity has no place in public life.

http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/2801-God-0-for-4?p=58936&viewfull=1#post58936

http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/2801-God-0-for-4?p=58950&viewfull=1#post58950

(http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/2801-God-0-for-4/page2?highlight=xtians)http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/2801-God-0-for-4?p=58966&viewfull=1#post58966

Same thread. Different member.

http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/2801-God-0-for-4?p=58958&viewfull=1#post58958
(http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/2801-God-0-for-4/page3?highlight=xtians)
Now here is a gem.

http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/2801-God-0-for-4?p=58990&viewfull=1#post58990

An interesting Easter Sunday contribution. :wink:

http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/2731-The-Big-Questions

Christians are bigoted, hypocritical, misogynistic, and far too dogmatic for this champ.

http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/2801-God-0-for-4?p=59870&viewfull=1#post59870

No sense in continuing. I could do this all day.

Alias
05-06-2012, 10:05 AM
Very sick people.

wingrider
05-06-2012, 10:10 AM
It doesn't. God was FORCED out of the public schools.
exactly .. and add to this the so called separation of church and state BS .. not in the constitution , never has been .

Alias
05-06-2012, 10:17 AM
exactly .. and add to this the so called separation of church and state BS .. not in the constitution , never has been .

When a lefty starts to explain the Bible or the Constitution, I just nod my head, take a big toke, keep nodding my head, take another big toke, keep nodding my head, and then I giggle.

wingrider
05-06-2012, 10:23 AM
I just shake my head in derision and keep on trusting in Christ.

dsolo802
05-06-2012, 10:24 AM
Obama claims to be a Christian.What reason is there to doubt that? When has anybody ever doubted the "claimed" religious affiliation of anybody that has run for the office of the Presidency? Can you give an example?

Obama was a member of his Christian church for 20 years, one that many Republicans were only too willing to believe reflected on his views about America itself. How can anyone assume he is Christian for purposes of guilt by association with his minister, but actually not really Christian? That is just silliness and partisanship talking.


Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden are Christian Catholics.Yes. And what do you think that means?


I disagree that the republican party bills itself as "the party of God."It may not have adopted the exact language I have used to summarize its stance - but is there really any doubt about the substance?

Communicating to its base in particular, and to the American voting public in general, that it is pro-Life and Democrats are pro-death (not pro-Choice), that it cares about religious liberty in America, while the Democrats want to snuff it out, that the religion of Democrats is secularism, whereas the Republicans worship GOD....this is all partisan hot bologna.

Surveys demonstrate that constituents of both parties, and America in General, remain religious. For example, there is this from a Newsweek poll taken back in April of 2009:

>
Measuring party identification by religion is not predicted as intuitively, but the poll shows that the GOP has lost ground to Democrats among all measured faith groups. The number of religious respondents who identify with the Republican Party has fallen nearly 10 percent among non-evangelicals and Roman Catholics. Often viewed as a Republican stronghold, more evangelicals now identify as Democrats (35 percent) than Republicans (34 percent). And other religions contain bigger divides. Among Catholics, the spread was the biggest—50 percent Democrats to 17 percent Republicans. Seculars also include a higher percentage of Democrats than Republicans (35 percent to 13 percent), but the majority (44 percent) of seculars identify as independents.
>
The parties do differ on the role of government in our religious lives. Democrats and MANY Republicans are concerned about the part of the GOP base that would use government to impose its religious views on everyone else.

Americans do not need Government involvement at all to freely practice their right of religious freedom. Our Constitution in fact identifies the Government as the greatest threat to that liberty. Religious liberty as defined by the Constitution equals practice of religion free from government interference.

dsolo802
05-06-2012, 10:26 AM
Here we have a delightful thread about an "American Taliban" in which one of our members interprets disagreement and respect for life as hatred for women. This hatred is of course motivated by their diabolical religion of Christianity.

http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/3043-Men-At-Work-Or-How-The-American-Taliban-Is-Making-America-Safe?highlight=xtians

Here we have several members grossly distorting the Pope's comments.

http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/2938-Pope-Demands-Less-Focus-On-Poverty-And-More-On-Hatred?highlight=xtians

Here we have a member arguing that Christianity has no place in public life.

http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/2801-God-0-for-4?p=58936&viewfull=1#post58936

http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/2801-God-0-for-4?p=58950&viewfull=1#post58950

(http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/2801-God-0-for-4/page2?highlight=xtians)http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/2801-God-0-for-4?p=58966&viewfull=1#post58966

Same thread. Different member.

http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/2801-God-0-for-4?p=58958&viewfull=1#post58958
(http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/2801-God-0-for-4/page3?highlight=xtians)
Now here is a gem.

http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/2801-God-0-for-4?p=58990&viewfull=1#post58990

An interesting Easter Sunday contribution. :wink:

http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/2731-The-Big-Questions

Christians are bigoted, hypocritical, misogynistic, and far too dogmatic for this champ.

http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/2801-God-0-for-4?p=59870&viewfull=1#post59870

No sense in continuing. I could do this all day.

You are talking about individual posters. And this you think justifies the claim as against "the Left"? Really?

dsolo802
05-06-2012, 10:27 AM
When a leftyGroup bashing is not a sign of intelligence.

dsolo802
05-06-2012, 10:30 AM
Very sick people.All you have is name calling and toxic cheerleading.

Conley
05-06-2012, 10:33 AM
I would also caution against using this forum or any message board to reach conclusions about such a large group of people. I'd say more but I was dragged out to Cinco de Mayo by godless heathens and my head is hurting right now.

wingrider
05-06-2012, 10:35 AM
first of all liberation theology is based on marxist tenents

What is Liberation Theology? (http://www.gotquestions.org/liberation-theology.html)
Simply put, Liberation Theology is an attempt to interpret Scripture through the plight of the poor. It is largely a humanistic doctrine. It started in South America in the turbulent 1950s when Marxism was making great gains among the poor because of its emphasis on the redistribution of wealth, allowing poor peasants to share in the wealth of the colonial elite and thus upgrade their economic status in life. As a theology, it has very strong Roman Catholic roots.
Liberation Theology was bolstered in 1968 at the Second Latin American Bishops Conference which met in Medellin, Colombia. The idea was to study the Bible and to fight for social justice in Christian (Catholic) communities. Since the only governmental model for the redistribution of the wealth in a South American country was a Marxist model, the redistribution of wealth to raise the economic standards of the poor in South America took on a definite Marxist flavor. Since those who had money were very reluctant to part with it in any wealth redistribution model, the use of a populist (read poor) revolt was encouraged by those who worked most closely with the poor. As a result, the Liberation Theology model was mired in Marxist dogma and revolutionary causes.

so to tell us that obama sat under this teaching for 20 years speaks volumes about his mindset, and his faith.

wingrider
05-06-2012, 10:37 AM
You are talking about individual posters. And this you think justifies the claim as against "the Left"? Really?

well considering that those posts were made by "lefties" yeah it is justified.

Alias
05-06-2012, 10:37 AM
What reason is there to doubt that? When has anybody ever doubted the "claimed" religious affiliation of anybody that has run for the office of the Presidency? Can you give an example?

Obama was a member of his Christian church for 20 years, one that many Republicans were only too willing to believe reflected on his views about America itself. How can anyone assume he is Christian for purposes of guilt by association with his minister, but actually not really Christian? That is just silliness and partisanship talking.

Yes. And what do you think that means?

It may not have adopted the exact language I have used to summarize its stance - but is there really any doubt about the substance?

Communicating to its base in particular, and to the American voting public in general, that it is pro-Life and Democrats are pro-death (not pro-Choice), that it cares about religious liberty in America, while the Democrats want to snuff it out, that the religion of Democrats is secularism, whereas the Republicans worship GOD....this is all partisan hot bologna.

Surveys demonstrate that constituents of both parties, and America in General, remain religious. For example, there is this from a Newsweek poll taken back in April of 2009:

>
Measuring party identification by religion is not predicted as intuitively, but the poll shows that the GOP has lost ground to Democrats among all measured faith groups. The number of religious respondents who identify with the Republican Party has fallen nearly 10 percent among non-evangelicals and Roman Catholics. Often viewed as a Republican stronghold, more evangelicals now identify as Democrats (35 percent) than Republicans (34 percent). And other religions contain bigger divides. Among Catholics, the spread was the biggest—50 percent Democrats to 17 percent Republicans. Seculars also include a higher percentage of Democrats than Republicans (35 percent to 13 percent), but the majority (44 percent) of seculars identify as independents.
>
The parties do differ on the role of government in our religious lives. Democrats and MANY Republicans are concerned about the part of the GOP base that would use government to impose its religious views on everyone else.

Americans do not need Government involvement at all to freely practice their right of religious freedom. Our Constitution in fact identifies the Government as the greatest threat to that liberty. Religious liberty as defined by the Constitution equals practice of religion free from government interference.

Obama sat under a wolf in sheep's clothing. Jesus warned us about people like Rev. Wright. As soon as Rev. Wright became a liability in 2008, Obama put him under the Bush.

Alias
05-06-2012, 10:39 AM
All you have is name calling and toxic cheerleading.

LOL. Do you really honestly truely want to get into "name calling and toxic cheerleading"? I don't think you want to go there. Better slow down and take a deep breath and think about it.

dsolo802
05-06-2012, 11:28 AM
well considering that those posts were made by "lefties" yeah it is justified.Well Wingrider, no. That is irrational. Hitler was a Christian. Fair to attribute the conclusions of one individual who was Christian to all?

this is group bashing.

dsolo802
05-06-2012, 11:30 AM
LOL. Do you really honestly truely want to get into "name calling and toxic cheerleading"? I don't think you want to go there. Better slow down and take a deep breath and think about it.Against you? You are right - you are by far and away a much great name caller and toxic cheerleader than I am. I against argument by label of all kinds, including the juvenile kind of name calling for which you are famous.

You would like to attribute the name calling of others to me - but that is just more of the same old argument by label that should be rejected by one and all.

Vilifier of Zombies
05-06-2012, 11:31 AM
I think the resident Christophobe is trying to say something relevant.

It's silly that you're quoting my name, insinuating I'd be just as gullible as you've posted yourself to be.


The label 'Christian' is dangerously misleading. It generally refers to a community of duped fools, obedient to Political Correctness, disguised as Jesus Christ. Subconsciously, many of these sheep-people believe Obama is god. They find 'proof' of this by attending church, listening to their preachers, and surrendering their reasoning to the herd-flock. They're unwitting collaborators with Evil, all under the rubric, "CHRISTIAN".

You've outdone Alias' dumbest post of the day - by the smallest of margins.

Alias
05-06-2012, 11:31 AM
Well Wingrider, no. That is irrational. Hitler was a Christian. Fair to attribute the conclusions of one individual who was Christian to all?

this is group bashing.

The Democrat party founded the KKK. Is that "group bashing" or is that a historical fact?

Alias
05-06-2012, 11:37 AM
Against you? You are right - you are by far and away a much great name caller and toxic cheerleader than I am. I against argument by label of all kinds, including the juvenile kind of name calling for which you are famous.

You would like to attribute the name calling of others to me - but that is just more of the same old argument by label that should be rejected by one and all.

I never said a thing about you and I wasn't referring to you. I was referring to your pals who used to post here. If you want to go down that road, it's not gonna end well for you.

Alias
05-06-2012, 11:38 AM
It's silly that you're quoting my name, insinuating I'd be just as gullible as you've posted yourself to be.



You've outdone Alias' dumbest post of the day - by the smallest of margins.

People have the constitutional right in this nation to religious freedom. Go piss up a rope.

dsolo802
05-06-2012, 11:40 AM
first of all liberation theology is based on marxist tenents

What is Liberation Theology? (http://www.gotquestions.org/liberation-theology.html)
Simply put, Liberation Theology is an attempt to interpret Scripture through the plight of the poor. It is largely a humanistic doctrine. It started in South America in the turbulent 1950s when Marxism was making great gains among the poor because of its emphasis on the redistribution of wealth, allowing poor peasants to share in the wealth of the colonial elite and thus upgrade their economic status in life. As a theology, it has very strong Roman Catholic roots.
Liberation Theology was bolstered in 1968 at the Second Latin American Bishops Conference which met in Medellin, Colombia. The idea was to study the Bible and to fight for social justice in Christian (Catholic) communities. Since the only governmental model for the redistribution of the wealth in a South American country was a Marxist model, the redistribution of wealth to raise the economic standards of the poor in South America took on a definite Marxist flavor. Since those who had money were very reluctant to part with it in any wealth redistribution model, the use of a populist (read poor) revolt was encouraged by those who worked most closely with the poor. As a result, the Liberation Theology model was mired in Marxist dogma and revolutionary causes.

so to tell us that obama sat under this teaching for 20 years speaks volumes about his mindset, and his faith.



I will neither critique nor condemn the Christianity of any Christian. Your source is one view on Liberation Theology, and probably the one that is least flattering to the Reverend. The only thing that can be said with certainty and is said with certainty by proponents and opponents alike is that it certainly favors working to help the poor. It does not detail how.

One can't have it both ways: People can't saddle him with Christianity for which they'd condemn him, while at the same time continue to imply he is actually a Muslim.

Alias
05-06-2012, 11:41 AM
I will neither critique nor condemn the Christianity of any Christian. Your source is one view on Liberation Theology, and probably the one that is least flattering to the Reverend. The only thing that can be said with certainty and is said with certainty by proponents and opponents alike is that it certainly favors working to help the poor. It does not detail how.

One can't have it both ways: People can't saddle him with Christianity for which they'd condemn him, while at the same time continue to imply he is actually a Muslim.

In the Muslim culture and Muslim world, Obama is a muslim.

Vilifier of Zombies
05-06-2012, 11:47 AM
People have the constitutional right in this nation to religious freedom. Go piss up a rope.

No one said they didn't dittohead.

That works both ways, I have the same right to castigate gullible bitches.

Vilifier of Zombies
05-06-2012, 11:51 AM
In the Muslim culture and Muslim world, Obama is a muslim.

No that's not right, it's folks like you saying that they like to say that in the Muslim world, Obama is a Muslim.

The reality is he's just as delusional and gullible as you Alias - Obama is your brother - from another mother! Praise Jesus!

Can I get an Amen(!)?

Alias
05-06-2012, 11:53 AM
No one said they didn't dittohead.

That works both ways, I have the same right to castigate gullible bitches.

Yes, you have the right to call names, insults, and general obnoxious behavior. Exhibiting hateful obnoxious behavior is your right. Go for it.

Alias
05-06-2012, 11:55 AM
No that's not right, it's folks like you saying that they like to say that in the Muslim world, Obama is a Muslim.

The reality is he's just as delusional and gullible as you Alias - Obama is your brother - from another mother! Praise Jesus!

Can I get an Amen(!)?

We get it. You hate Christianity. Thanks for you valuable input.

Mister D
05-06-2012, 11:55 AM
You are talking about individual posters. And this you think justifies the claim as against "the Left"? Really?

I had no claims against "the Left". Please refer to my previous posts. This complaint has been addressed.

Mister D
05-06-2012, 11:57 AM
first of all liberation theology is based on marxist tenents

What is Liberation Theology? (http://www.gotquestions.org/liberation-theology.html)
Simply put, Liberation Theology is an attempt to interpret Scripture through the plight of the poor. It is largely a humanistic doctrine. It started in South America in the turbulent 1950s when Marxism was making great gains among the poor because of its emphasis on the redistribution of wealth, allowing poor peasants to share in the wealth of the colonial elite and thus upgrade their economic status in life. As a theology, it has very strong Roman Catholic roots.
Liberation Theology was bolstered in 1968 at the Second Latin American Bishops Conference which met in Medellin, Colombia. The idea was to study the Bible and to fight for social justice in Christian (Catholic) communities. Since the only governmental model for the redistribution of the wealth in a South American country was a Marxist model, the redistribution of wealth to raise the economic standards of the poor in South America took on a definite Marxist flavor. Since those who had money were very reluctant to part with it in any wealth redistribution model, the use of a populist (read poor) revolt was encouraged by those who worked most closely with the poor. As a result, the Liberation Theology model was mired in Marxist dogma and revolutionary causes.

so to tell us that obama sat under this teaching for 20 years speaks volumes about his mindset, and his faith.





Christian theology is the grandmother of Bolshevism.

~Oswald Spengler

Vilifier of Zombies
05-06-2012, 11:57 AM
Yes, you have the right to call names, insults, and general obnoxious behavior. Exhibiting hateful obnoxious behavior is your right. Go for it.

You set that pace from jump Alias - there's no reason you should be spiteful about it.

Alias
05-06-2012, 11:58 AM
This explains part of the confusion about whether Obama is a Christian or a Muslim.

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/2891/obama-islam

dsolo802
05-06-2012, 11:58 AM
I never said a thing about you and I wasn't referring to you.Well now, that's just not true. The claim was about "the Left". Mister D was attempting to support that claim and did so by pointing to individual posters here.

So you are disagreeing with Mister D's thesis that the Left is against Christianity and you believe your comment only applies to individual posters?

Or you are agreeing with Mister D and are also tarring me with that brush?


I was referring to your pals who used to post here.Don't count your chickens.


If you want to go down that road, it's not gonna end well for you.You always say that.

And I always feel compelled to say, "Make my day."

We are both scary dudes!

Mister D
05-06-2012, 11:58 AM
Well Wingrider, no. That is irrational. Hitler was a Christian. Fair to attribute the conclusions of one individual who was Christian to all?

this is group bashing.

Hitler was born into a Catholic family. That's the extent of Hitler's Christianity.

Mister D
05-06-2012, 11:59 AM
The Democrat party founded the KKK. Is that "group bashing" or is that a historical fact?

How far they've come...:)

Conley
05-06-2012, 12:00 PM
You always say that.

And I always feel compelled to say, "Make my day."

We are both scary dudes!

:laugh:

http://cdn.stripersonline.com/0/08/08a7077b_8b04f_ORIG-internet_tough_guys.jpeg

Vilifier of Zombies
05-06-2012, 12:00 PM
We get it. You hate Christianity. Thanks for you valuable input.

I dunno, why don't you send your brother Obama or your other brother Wright an email and ask them instead?

HALLELUJAH bitches! Praise Jesus!

Vilifier of Zombies
05-06-2012, 12:02 PM
This explains part of the confusion about whether Obama is a Christian or a Muslim.

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/2891/obama-islam

Except that even in the darkest corners of the Middle East, the local populace knows that he's a Christian - like you Alias.

Alias
05-06-2012, 12:05 PM
Well now, that's just not true. The claim was about "the Left". Mister D was attempting to support that claim and did so by pointing to individual posters here.

So you are disagreeing with Mister D's thesis that the Left is against Christianity and you believe your comment only applies to individual posters?

Or you are agreeing with Mister D and are also tarring me with that brush?

Don't count your chickens.

You always say that.

And I always feel compelled to say, "Make my day."

We are both scary dudes!

Naw, you're not scary. You have many words, but you don't say much.

I make my posts. If they agree with another poster, so be it. Go play your divisive game with some naive college kid.

Mister D
05-06-2012, 12:05 PM
Well now, that's just not true. The claim was about "the Left". Mister D was attempting to support that claim and did so by pointing to individual posters here.

So you are disagreeing with Mister D's thesis that the Left is against Christianity and you believe your comment only applies to individual posters?

Or you are agreeing with Mister D and are also tarring me with that brush?

Don't count your chickens.

You always say that.

And I always feel compelled to say, "Make my day."

We are both scary dudes!

Mister D has no such thesis, however, Mister D does subscribe to the thesis that progressivism is an outgrowth of Christianity. It is Christianity emptied of transcendence and theological content. Indeed, many progressives are "anti-Christian without realizing that their worldview stems from it.

Alias
05-06-2012, 12:05 PM
Except that even in the darkest corners of the Middle East, the local populace knows that he's a Christian - like you Alias.

I gave a link to back up my point. Show me something.

Alias
05-06-2012, 12:07 PM
I dunno, why don't you send your brother Obama or your other brother Wright an email and ask them instead?

HALLELUJAH bitches! Praise Jesus!

Followers of Marxist Black Liberation Theology are not my brothers and sisters.

gophangover
05-06-2012, 12:10 PM
Hitler was born into a Catholic family. That's the extent of Hitler's Christianity.

Hitler wanted to become a priest until his mother died. Then he tried to become an artist, until his teacher said he'd never make it because he couldn't draw the human form. Fate, go figure.

dsolo802
05-06-2012, 12:11 PM
In the Muslim culture and Muslim world, Obama is a muslim.In this country, when a man says he believes in Jesus Christ that is sufficient - unless, that is, you insist upon believing the worst of a man.

Unless you find him worshiping Baal, the devil, or participating in human sacrifice you are talking about what is in a man's heart. You have no stinking clue where he stands with Christ, other than by his word.

gophangover
05-06-2012, 12:20 PM
In this country, when a man says he believes in Jesus Christ that is sufficient - unless, that is, you insist upon believing the worst of a man.

Unless you find him worshiping Baal, the devil, or participating in human sacrifice you are talking about what is in a man's heart. You have no stinking clue where he stands with Christ, other than by his word.

Even the devil believes in Jesus. He knows he's the Christ. "You shall know them by their fruits."-Jesus "It's not what enters the mouth that defiles the man, but what comes out of his mouth. For what a man speaks comes from his heart."-Jesus

So what someone says and does exposes them. It's easy to see who on this board is a REAL Christian, and who are pretenders.

dsolo802
05-06-2012, 12:23 PM
Hitler was born into a Catholic family. That's the extent of Hitler's Christianity.I'm just saying, you can't judge millions of people based upon the behavior of individuals. We agree, Hitler never was not anything like an official spokesmen for Christianity, it's not fair to make any assumptions about Christianity on the basis of what he did.

The point is, the fact of his Christianity or not, has nothing to do with his actions.

It is no more fair to assume that most progressives and Democrats, by virtue of their being progressive and Democrats are against Christianity, than it is assume that all Christians or males are sociopaths by virtue of what Hitler said and did. It is the same irrational argument.

On the social side of the ledger, Progressives are for civil liberties as defined in the Constitution - that is, freedom of speech, association, press, religion (etc) rights free from governmentalinterference.

I have read back and found I may have been mistaken about one thing:

Peter was talking about Crusades by the Left. I see, Mister D, that you appeared to be disagreeing with his broad brush statement about "the Left". Do you in fact disagree with Peter's thesis?

wingrider
05-06-2012, 12:29 PM
In this country, when a man says he believes in Jesus Christ that is sufficient - unless, that is, you insist upon believing the worst of a man.

Unless you find him worshiping Baal, the devil, or participating in human sacrifice you are talking about what is in a man's heart. You have no stinking clue where he stands with Christ, other than by his word.

I have heard obama claim to be a christian but i have never heard him acknowledge Jesus as his savior.. there is a difference..

Vilifier of Zombies
05-06-2012, 12:30 PM
Followers of Marxist Black Liberation Theology are not my brothers and sisters.

Oh come on now Alias, that's just more spite and hate reverberating from your posts - in Christ's eyes - you're all brothers - how about you stop being hateful and spiteful towards your brother before you end up in hell?

Vilifier of Zombies
05-06-2012, 12:31 PM
I gave a link to back up my point. Show me something.

I don't need a link Alias, I've been to those deepest darkest recesses of the Middle East - while you were baking your brain, I was serving our country.

gophangover
05-06-2012, 12:33 PM
I have heard obama claim to be a christian but i have never heard him acknowledge Jesus as his savior.. there is a difference..

It's not hard to google if you really want to know.



At prayer breakfast, Obama calls Jesus “my Lord and Savior”

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February 3, 2011



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President Barack Obama made a clear declaration of his Christian faith on Thursday and seemed to express some frustration that his beliefs continue to be called into question.
http://blogs.reuters.com/frontrow/files/2011/02/RTXXFIE_Comp-300x184.jpg“Let me tell you, these past two years, they have deepened my faith,” Obama told a ballroom full of applauding believers at the annual National Prayer Breakfast in Washington.
“The presidency has a funny way of making a person feel the need to pray.”
He detailed how, after a non-religious upbringing, he came to define himself as a Christian.
“A call rooted in faith is what led me, just a few years out of college, to sign up as a community organizer for a group of churches on the south side of Chicago,” he said.
“And it was through that experience, working with pastors and laypeople, trying to heal the wounds of hurting neighborhoods, that I came to know Jesus Christ for myself and embrace him as my Lord and Savior.”
Obama joked that he prayed for patience while watching his children grow up.
“Lord, give me patience as I watch Malia go to her first dance, where there will be boys,” he said, referring to his oldest daughter, to laughter from the audience.
“Lord, have that skirt get longer as she travels to that dance.”
He said his faith sustained him when he could not do more to help Americans dealing with the rough economy.
But he also seemed to vent frustration that despite more than 20 years as a practicing Christian, people still question his religious persuasion.
Polls show many Americans believe Obama is a Muslim.
“My Christian faith then has been a sustaining force for me over these last few years, all the more so when Michelle and I hear our faith questioned from time to time,” he said.
“We are reminded that ultimately what matters is not what other people say about us, but whether we’re being true to our conscience and true to our God.”

Vilifier of Zombies
05-06-2012, 12:40 PM
It's easy to see who on this board is a REAL Christian, and who are pretenders.

I don't think it's possible for pothead dittoheads to be real Christians - there are far too many contradictions.

Alias
05-06-2012, 12:41 PM
In this country, when a man says he believes in Jesus Christ that is sufficient - unless, that is, you insist upon believing the worst of a man.

Unless you find him worshiping Baal, the devil, or participating in human sacrifice you are talking about what is in a man's heart. You have no stinking clue where he stands with Christ, other than by his word.

Another straw man. I never said Obama wasn't a Christian.

Alias
05-06-2012, 12:42 PM
I don't think it's possible for pothead dittoheads to be real Christians - there are far too many contradictions.

I love it when I'm in a lefty moonbat's head. There's so much room to play around in.

Alias
05-06-2012, 12:43 PM
I don't need a link Alias, I've been to those deepest darkest recesses of the Middle East - while you were baking your brain, I was serving our country.

Thank you for your service.

dsolo802
05-06-2012, 12:43 PM
Even the devil believes in Jesus. He knows he's the Christ. "You shall know them by their fruits."-Jesus "It's not what enters the mouth that defiles the man, but what comes out of his mouth. For what a man speaks comes from his heart."-Jesus

So what someone says and does exposes them. It's easy to see who on this board is a REAL Christian, and who are pretenders.In virtual space there are no fruits to see. We only have abstraction, upon abstraction. Words, not deeds. A person says he believes the free market will trickle down and take care of the working man. I think the time has long passed for anyone to believe that. Would I be right in stating anyone who believes in trickle down hates the working man? How do I know that what he professes is not genuinely believed? I have never seen the man speak and have no visual cues by which to judge his veracity. I know nothing of his life and whether or not he has devoted any of his precious life energy to direct and active outreach.

It may be easy for you to see who is the real Christian. It is not easy for me. I would never presume to know the heart of a man. This means I would never presume to understand his relationship with God, neither would I presume to know anyone is innately a racist or bigot.

I can describe the impact of proposed policies and actions taken. I'll never be afraid to say when a proposed policy or proposal is inherently unfair, inequitable and discriminatory. That is my view in fact of the Ryan plan.

I can also recognize for myself when broad brush statements are being made about entire groups of people. i know that condemning an entire group of people based on what individuals may have done is irrational and wrong. Again, you don't even know the hearts of the individuals, much less the group of people they allegedly represent.

If we demonize those who hold contrary views, we condemn ourselves to further gridlock, national weakness, and grave national peril.

Alias
05-06-2012, 12:44 PM
In virtual space there are no fruits to see. We only have abstraction, upon abstraction. Words, not deeds. A person says he believes the free market will trickle down and take care of the working man. I think the time has long passed for anyone to believe that. Would I be right in stating anyone who believes in trickle down hates the working man? How do I know that what he professes is not genuinely believed? I have never seen the man speak and have no visual cues by which to judge his veracity. I know nothing of his life and whether or not he has devoted any of his precious life energy to direct and active outreach.

It may be easy for you to see who is the real Christian. It is not easy for me. I would never presume to know the heart of a man. This means I would never presume to understand his relationship with God, neither would I presume to know anyone is innately a racist or bigot.

I can describe the impact of proposed policies and actions taken. I'll never be afraid to say when a proposed policy or proposal is inherently unfair, inequitable and discriminatory. That is my view in fact of the Ryan plan.

I can also recognize for myself when broad brush statements are being made about entire groups of people. i know that condemning an entire group of people based on what individuals may have or done is irrational and wrong. Again, you don't even know the hearts of the individuals, much less the group of people they allegedly represent.

If we demonize those who hold contrary views, we condemn ourselves to further gridlock, national weakness, and grave national perils.

What do you think Jesus meant by "You shall know them by their fruit" and "Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves"?

Your last sentence if very interesting, especially since I believe you were defending a couple posters who were doing exactly that.

Vilifier of Zombies
05-06-2012, 12:47 PM
I love it when I'm in a lefty moonbat's head. There's so much room to play around in.

Again, you're quoting my post when referring to lefty moonbat's heads - how many braincells do you kill each and every day smoking that shit? You're worse than a toddler with ADHD, in one ear out the other - it's either that or you're the dumbest jackoff posting posts.

Vilifier of Zombies
05-06-2012, 12:47 PM
Thank you for your service.

Don't worry about it Alias.

Alias
05-06-2012, 12:50 PM
Don't worry about it Alias.

My daughter in law is a counselor of family services in The Wounded Warrior Project in San Diego.

Mister D
05-06-2012, 12:52 PM
I'm just saying, you can't judge millions of people based upon the behavior of individuals. We agree, Hitler never was not anything like an official spokesmen for Christianity, it's not fair to make any assumptions about Christianity on the basis of what he did.

The point is, the fact of his Christianity or not, has nothing to do with his actions.

It is no more fair to assume that most progressives and Democrats, by virtue of their being progressive and Democrats are against Christianity, than it is assume that all Christians or males are sociopaths by virtue of what Hitler said and did. It is the same irrational argument.

On the social side of the ledger, Progressives are for civil liberties as defined in the Constitution - that is, freedom of speech, association, press, religion (etc) rights free from governmentalinterference.

I have read back and found I may have been mistaken about one thing:

Peter was talking about Crusades by the Left. I see, Mister D, that you appeared to be disagreeing with his broad brush statement about "the Left". Do you in fact disagree with Peter's thesis?

I agree with you. I said earlier that I can really only go by my own experience and the notion that many leftists are anti-Christian, or at least think they are, rings true.

I would have to see Peter's comments in their context. I'm not sure what post you are referring to. If he meant that all leftists participate and/or agree with a particular cause then no I would not agree with that. I also would not refer to you as "anti-Christian". I've never seen anything that could be construed as "anti-Christian" come out of your virtual mouth.

BBL.

Alias
05-06-2012, 12:54 PM
Again, you're quoting my post when referring to lefty moonbat's heads - how many braincells do you kill each and every day smoking that shit? You're worse than a toddler with ADHD, in one ear out the other - it's either that or you're the dumbest jackoff posting posts.

Did I ever tell ya about the time I was hitch-hiking and a beautiful red head picked me up in Iowa. She had a case of beer on ice in the back seat and she was headed to Souix City where she worked in a meat packing plant. The cops pulled her over and arrested her right there. I wasn't arrested, but I felt so bad for her.

Conley
05-06-2012, 12:56 PM
Did I ever tell ya about the time I was hitch-hiking and a beautiful red head picked me up in Iowa. She had a case of beer on ice in the back seat and she was headed to Souix City where she worked in a meat packing plant. The cops pulled her over and arrested her right there. I wasn't arrested, but I felt so bad for her.

That story didn't end the way I expected it to. Bummer.

gophangover
05-06-2012, 12:57 PM
I don't think it's possible for pothead dittoheads to be real Christians - there are far too many contradictions.

Oh thank heaven you're not God. "Judge not, and be not judged. Judge, and be judged accordingly." If you're not judging righteously, you're placing your soul in danger. If I were you, I'd just worry out my own soul.

Alias
05-06-2012, 12:58 PM
That story didn't end the way I expected it to. Bummer.

You're telling me. I thought I was on the road to heaven.

Alias
05-06-2012, 01:11 PM
In virtual space there are no fruits to see. We only have abstraction, upon abstraction. Words, not deeds. A person says he believes the free market will trickle down and take care of the working man. I think the time has long passed for anyone to believe that. Would I be right in stating anyone who believes in trickle down hates the working man? How do I know that what he professes is not genuinely believed? I have never seen the man speak and have no visual cues by which to judge his veracity. I know nothing of his life and whether or not he has devoted any of his precious life energy to direct and active outreach.

It may be easy for you to see who is the real Christian. It is not easy for me. I would never presume to know the heart of a man. This means I would never presume to understand his relationship with God, neither would I presume to know anyone is innately a racist or bigot.

I can describe the impact of proposed policies and actions taken. I'll never be afraid to say when a proposed policy or proposal is inherently unfair, inequitable and discriminatory. That is my view in fact of the Ryan plan.

I can also recognize for myself when broad brush statements are being made about entire groups of people. i know that condemning an entire group of people based on what individuals may have done is irrational and wrong. Again, you don't even know the hearts of the individuals, much less the group of people they allegedly represent.

If we demonize those who hold contrary views, we condemn ourselves to further gridlock, national weakness, and grave national peril.

Why do you defend posters who run around on this forum calling other posters "racists" without any racist post to back it up?

dsolo802
05-06-2012, 01:25 PM
We have the famous http://war on woman
And don't forget that republicans want dirty air and dirty water.I said somewhere on this thread it is fair and expected that both parties will critique the merits and demerits of their respective positions. That is only wrong when the assessments are baseless.

Is it subject to good faith dispute that the Republican party is attempting to reverse civil rights gains of Women they have fought for, won and have now enjoyed for over three decades? I don't think so. And neither frankly did many Republican Women who have spoken up against the proposed policies of Republican leaders.

The right to autonomy and privacy in one's own body, including the right to choose whether or not to have an abortion is not the only thing at stake for women.

Republicans nationwide are increasingly proposing intrusive, offensive and totally unnecessary medical interventions to deter women from exercising rights they enjoy today. Vaginal ultrasound anyone?

Prominent republicans have gone out of their way to challenge women's rights to contraception. In fact, it apparently was to them a badge of honor for the Republican Presidential candidates to brag about how quickly they would defund Planned Parenthood. What does Planned Parenthood actually do for women?



Planned Parenthood provides many health services besides abortion. Some of the services/facilities Planned Parenthood provides include:



Screening for cancer


Contraceptives


Pregnancy testing


Vaccinations


Affordable (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_Planned_Parenthood_do_besides_abortions# ) health care


Advocating for state/federal policies that advance health care


Pregnancy options counseling


Sexual health education


Menopause treatments


Adoption referral to other agencies


STD testing


Vasectomies


Tubal litigations


According the 2009 Planned Parenthood fact sheet, the number of services by category are as follows:



35% STD testing/treatment


35% contraception


16% cancer screening/prevention


10% other women's health services


3% abortion services


1% other


Republican Senator Lisa Murkowski sure thinks the Republican leadership has gone too far:

Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska) spoke out forcefully (http://www.homernews.com/stories/040412/news_murk.shtml#.T33-lL9rNUM) in favor of reproductive rights on Wednesday in Homer, Alaska, as many in her party have sought to restrict them. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/29/anti-abortion-legislators_n_1388307.html)
"It makes no sense to make this attack on women," she said on KBBI AM 890 Public Radio's Coffee Table program, according to the Homer News (http://www.homernews.com/stories/040412/news_murk.shtml#.T33-lL9rNUM). "If you don't feel this is an attack, you need to go home and talk to your wife and your daughters."

She also said that she would continue to support funding for Planned Parenthood, adding that the courts have affirmed a legal right to an abortion and she stands by that.

Murkowski criticized GOP presidential candidates for not condemning Rush Limbaugh for calling Georgetown law student Sandra Fluke a "slut" and a "prostitute," which he later apologized for. Fluke was rejected as a witness (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/16/contraception-hearing-house-democrats-walk-out_n_1281730.html) before a panel on the Obama contraception mandate chaired by House Oversight And Government Reform Chairman Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) last February. (She spoke Thursday to HuffPost in a Q&A (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/05/sandra-fluke-affordable-care-act_n_1405884.html?ref=sandra-fluke).)

"To have those kind of slurs against a woman … you had candidates who want to be our president not say, 'That's wrong. That's offensive.' They did not condemn the rhetoric," she said. (http://www.homernews.com/stories/040412/news_murk.shtml#.T33-lL9rNUM)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/05/lisa-murkowski-war-on-women_n_1406923.html

As for the claim that Republicans want dirty air and water: Given the clear profit motive to pollute, the history of pollution and degradation to our environment from polluting industry, the devastation to the environment from off shore oil disasters and spills, it is hard for me to see how the Republican call to knee cap the EPA (for example the TRAIN AND REINS Acts) and end effective governmental oversight of polluting industries can be viewed as anything but an invitation to dirty air and water. The GOP may actually believe their article of faith about self-policing industries, but that is not a sane view, and neither the DNC nor the American public is under any obligation to drink that Kool Aid either.

spunkloaf
05-06-2012, 01:26 PM
It doesn't. God was FORCED out of the public schools.

No, public schools were neutralized.

Peter1469
05-06-2012, 01:45 PM
I said somewhere on this thread it is fair and expected that both parties will critique the merits and demerits of their respective positions. That is only wrong when the assessments are baseless.

Is it subject to good faith dispute that the Republican party is attempting to reverse civil rights gains of Women they have fought for, won and have now enjoyed for over three decades? I don't think so. And neither frankly did many Republican Women who have spoken up against the proposed policies of Republican leaders.

The right to autonomy and privacy in one's own body, including the right to choose whether or not to have an abortion is not the only thing at stake for women.

Republicans nationwide are increasingly proposing intrusive, offensive and totally unnecessary medical interventions to deter women from exercising rights they enjoy today. Vaginal ultrasound anyone?

Prominent republicans have gone out of their way to challenge women's rights to contraception. In fact, it apparently was to them a badge of honor for the Republican Presidential candidates to brag about how quickly they would defund Planned Parenthood. What does Planned Parenthood actually do for women?



Planned Parenthood provides many health services besides abortion. Some of the services/facilities Planned Parenthood provides include:



Screening for cancer


Contraceptives


Pregnancy testing


Vaccinations


Affordable (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_Planned_Parenthood_do_besides_abortions# ) health care


Advocating for state/federal policies that advance health care


Pregnancy options counseling


Sexual health education


Menopause treatments


Adoption referral to other agencies


STD testing


Vasectomies


Tubal litigations


According the 2009 Planned Parenthood fact sheet, the number of services by category are as follows:



35% STD testing/treatment


35% contraception


16% cancer screening/prevention


10% other women's health services


3% abortion services


1% other


Republican Senator Lisa Murkowski sure thinks the Republican leadership has gone too far:

Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska) spoke out forcefully (http://www.homernews.com/stories/040412/news_murk.shtml#.T33-lL9rNUM) in favor of reproductive rights on Wednesday in Homer, Alaska, as many in her party have sought to restrict them. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/29/anti-abortion-legislators_n_1388307.html)
"It makes no sense to make this attack on women," she said on KBBI AM 890 Public Radio's Coffee Table program, according to the Homer News (http://www.homernews.com/stories/040412/news_murk.shtml#.T33-lL9rNUM). "If you don't feel this is an attack, you need to go home and talk to your wife and your daughters."

She also said that she would continue to support funding for Planned Parenthood, adding that the courts have affirmed a legal right to an abortion and she stands by that.

Murkowski criticized GOP presidential candidates for not condemning Rush Limbaugh for calling Georgetown law student Sandra Fluke a "slut" and a "prostitute," which he later apologized for. Fluke was rejected as a witness (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/16/contraception-hearing-house-democrats-walk-out_n_1281730.html) before a panel on the Obama contraception mandate chaired by House Oversight And Government Reform Chairman Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) last February. (She spoke Thursday to HuffPost in a Q&A (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/05/sandra-fluke-affordable-care-act_n_1405884.html?ref=sandra-fluke).)

"To have those kind of slurs against a woman … you had candidates who want to be our president not say, 'That's wrong. That's offensive.' They did not condemn the rhetoric," she said. (http://www.homernews.com/stories/040412/news_murk.shtml#.T33-lL9rNUM)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/05/lisa-murkowski-war-on-women_n_1406923.html

As for the claim that Republicans want dirty air and water: Given the clear profit motive to pollute, the history of pollution and degradation to our environment from polluting industry, the devastation to the environment from off shore oil disasters and spills, it is hard for me to see how the Republican call to knee cap the EPA (for example the TRAIN AND REINS Acts) and end effective governmental oversight of polluting industries can be viewed as anything but an invitation to dirty air and water. The GOP may actually believe their article of faith about self-policing industries, but that is not a sane view, and neither the DNC nor the American public is under any obligation to drink that Kool Aid either.


I think that you proved my point.

There is no war on women- at least from the GOP. You have to discount the humanity of a fetus to get your strongest evidence of such a war.

Republicans don't want dirty air or dirty water. But they also don't want business crippling regulations. They believe that in a free market a business would want to keep the air and water clean so as to create a long term sustainable business model.

So we have the Obama regime using these terms- war on this, war on that, to characterize the GOP. They do this to create fear and to avoid the tough discussions about policy- what will really work better for society as a whole? Even if that means less government?

Look behind those Planned Parenthood statistics. Look at the costs on each of those categories and what is actually provided. A pamphlet with info about STDs can be passed out en masse and give the impression that Planned Parenthood is really doing something in that area. It is a eugenics project- to cull the undesirables. If some desirables get culled to, that is the cost of progress.

Alias
05-06-2012, 01:46 PM
No, public schools were neutralized.

LOL. Right. That's classic.

Alias
05-06-2012, 01:47 PM
I said somewhere on this thread it is fair and expected that both parties will critique the merits and demerits of their respective positions. That is only wrong when the assessments are baseless.

Is it subject to good faith dispute that the Republican party is attempting to reverse civil rights gains of Women they have fought for, won and have now enjoyed for over three decades? I don't think so. And neither frankly did many Republican Women who have spoken up against the proposed policies of Republican leaders.

The right to autonomy and privacy in one's own body, including the right to choose whether or not to have an abortion is not the only thing at stake for women.

Republicans nationwide are increasingly proposing intrusive, offensive and totally unnecessary medical interventions to deter women from exercising rights they enjoy today. Vaginal ultrasound anyone?

Prominent republicans have gone out of their way to challenge women's rights to contraception. In fact, it apparently was to them a badge of honor for the Republican Presidential candidates to brag about how quickly they would defund Planned Parenthood. What does Planned Parenthood actually do for women?



Planned Parenthood provides many health services besides abortion. Some of the services/facilities Planned Parenthood provides include:



Screening for cancer


Contraceptives


Pregnancy testing


Vaccinations


Affordable (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_Planned_Parenthood_do_besides_abortions# ) health care


Advocating for state/federal policies that advance health care


Pregnancy options counseling


Sexual health education


Menopause treatments


Adoption referral to other agencies


STD testing


Vasectomies


Tubal litigations


According the 2009 Planned Parenthood fact sheet, the number of services by category are as follows:



35% STD testing/treatment


35% contraception


16% cancer screening/prevention


10% other women's health services


3% abortion services


1% other


Republican Senator Lisa Murkowski sure thinks the Republican leadership has gone too far:

Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska) spoke out forcefully (http://www.homernews.com/stories/040412/news_murk.shtml#.T33-lL9rNUM) in favor of reproductive rights on Wednesday in Homer, Alaska, as many in her party have sought to restrict them. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/29/anti-abortion-legislators_n_1388307.html)
"It makes no sense to make this attack on women," she said on KBBI AM 890 Public Radio's Coffee Table program, according to the Homer News (http://www.homernews.com/stories/040412/news_murk.shtml#.T33-lL9rNUM). "If you don't feel this is an attack, you need to go home and talk to your wife and your daughters."

She also said that she would continue to support funding for Planned Parenthood, adding that the courts have affirmed a legal right to an abortion and she stands by that.

Murkowski criticized GOP presidential candidates for not condemning Rush Limbaugh for calling Georgetown law student Sandra Fluke a "slut" and a "prostitute," which he later apologized for. Fluke was rejected as a witness (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/16/contraception-hearing-house-democrats-walk-out_n_1281730.html) before a panel on the Obama contraception mandate chaired by House Oversight And Government Reform Chairman Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) last February. (She spoke Thursday to HuffPost in a Q&A (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/05/sandra-fluke-affordable-care-act_n_1405884.html?ref=sandra-fluke).)

"To have those kind of slurs against a woman … you had candidates who want to be our president not say, 'That's wrong. That's offensive.' They did not condemn the rhetoric," she said. (http://www.homernews.com/stories/040412/news_murk.shtml#.T33-lL9rNUM)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/05/lisa-murkowski-war-on-women_n_1406923.html

As for the claim that Republicans want dirty air and water: Given the clear profit motive to pollute, the history of pollution and degradation to our environment from polluting industry, the devastation to the environment from off shore oil disasters and spills, it is hard for me to see how the Republican call to knee cap the EPA (for example the TRAIN AND REINS Acts) and end effective governmental oversight of polluting industries can be viewed as anything but an invitation to dirty air and water. The GOP may actually believe their article of faith about self-policing industries, but that is not a sane view, and neither the DNC nor the American public is under any obligation to drink that Kool Aid either.


A lot of us are also sick and tired of being called racists by lefties without any evidence.

No abortions with govt funds. Period.

Peter1469
05-06-2012, 01:50 PM
A lot of us are also sick and tired of being called racists by lefties without any evidence.

Think nothing of it. They are only tossing the term out to shut down the conversation. Tell them that they are racists. At least you have proof for your claims. The left is infected with the soft bigotry of low expectations. That is why they push affirmative action so hard. To help people who they don't think can help themselves.

Alias
05-06-2012, 01:53 PM
Think nothing of it. They are only tossing the term out to shut down the conversation. Tell them that they are racists. At least you have proof for your claims. The left is infected with the soft bigotry of low expectations. That is why they push affirmative action so hard. To help people who they don't think can help themselves.

I know that, but I have a poster here who has a problem with me. I'm just trying to see if it's possible to get an honest reply or not.

wingrider
05-06-2012, 01:54 PM
No, public schools were neutralized.
and dumbed down to the point of idiocy,, look at the difference in student behavior from say the late 50s /early 60s to the behavior of students today. it is like 2 different worlds. and I am not so sure that I like the students of today.. no respect, very little morals, .. no schools weren't NUETRALIZED they were indoctrinated into secular humanism

Alias
05-06-2012, 01:56 PM
and dumbed down to the point of idiocy,, look at the difference in student behavior from say the late 50s /early 60s to the behavior of students today. it is like 2 different worlds. and I am not so sure that I like the students of today.. no respect, very little morals, .. no schools weren't NUETRALIZED they were indoctrinated into secular humanism

Exactly. The blind leading the blind.

Conley
05-06-2012, 01:57 PM
I know that, but I have a poster here who has a problem with me. I'm just trying to see if it's possible to get an honest reply or not.

Alias please don't start this up again. I thought we'd moved past it?

Alias
05-06-2012, 01:59 PM
Alias please don't start this up again. I thought we'd moved past it?

So did I. Check post #141. First shot.

Alias
05-06-2012, 02:01 PM
Group bashing is not a sign of intelligence.

Telling me how to think is a sign of a totalitarian who can kiss my American ass.

dsolo802
05-06-2012, 02:21 PM
Telling me how to think is a sign of a totalitarian who can kiss my American ass.You can think anyway you want. Guilt by association is as un-American as it gets, Senator. While this would make the resident status of your ass subject to question, my policy regarding illegal aliens is progressive and provides a path to citizenship. Do not scrape it too hard against our soil, lest it get chapped.

dsolo802
05-06-2012, 02:23 PM
The sun is out, the sky is blue I'm going out to enjoy them both - and my wife is too.

Check you all out later.

Alias
05-06-2012, 02:41 PM
You can think anyway you want. Guilt by association is as un-American as it gets, Senator. While this would make the resident status of your ass subject to question, my policy regarding illegal aliens is progressive and provides a path to citizenship. Do not scrape it too hard against our soil, lest it get chapped.

I'm not associating anyone with anything. You're a leftist asswipe and I don't care who you hang with.

Alias
05-06-2012, 02:44 PM
The sun is out, the sky is blue I'm going out to enjoy them both - and my wife is too.

Check you all out later.

Good idea. Peace.

wingrider
05-06-2012, 03:05 PM
You can think anyway you want. Guilt by association is as un-American as it gets, Senator. While this would make the resident status of your ass subject to question, my policy regarding illegal aliens is progressive and provides a path to citizenship. Do not scrape it too hard against our soil, lest it get chapped.
except for one thing.. we already have a path to citizenship .. it is called legal immigration...

HogRancher
05-06-2012, 03:13 PM
What many consider Christianity is nothing more than Political Correctness, in religious form. A test of your convictions, in this regard, goes as follows:

1) Compare Barak Obama to Jesus Christ. If you find they are one and the same, for the most part, your religious beliefs have been hijacked by Political Correctness.

2) Compare the message of Barak Obama to that of your pastor, preacher, minister, elder or priest. If you find they are one and the same, again, your religion has been co-opted by Political Correctness.

Having failed this test, you should free yourself immediately from the clutches of Political Correctness, and seek true Christianity. Be advised: this takes courage.

ramone
05-06-2012, 03:22 PM
except for one thing.. we already have a path to citizenship .. it is called legal immigration...

Well at least he admits to being a progressive in that post. Something we already knew however. As for the last statement in the quote, I think we are all chapped in this relationship with the Obama administration.

wingrider
05-06-2012, 03:27 PM
What many consider Christianity is nothing more than Political Correctness, in religious form. A test of your convictions, in this regard, goes as follows:

1) Compare Barak Obama to Jesus Christ. If you find they are one and the same, for the most part, your religious beliefs have been hijacked by Political Correctness.

2) Compare the message of Barak Obama to that of your pastor, preacher, minister, elder or priest. If you find they are one and the same, again, your religion has been co-opted by Political Correctness.

Having failed this test, you should free yourself immediately from the clutches of Political Correctness, and seek true Christianity. Be advised: this takes courage.
like I said earlier you haven't got a clue what a christian is.. come back when you figure it out,, K?

HogRancher
05-06-2012, 03:49 PM
like I said earlier you haven't got a clue what a christian is.. come back when you figure it out,, K?

Did you take the test?

dsolo802
05-06-2012, 04:33 PM
like I said earlier you haven't got a clue what a christian is.. come back when you figure it out,, K?Who in your mind gets to decide what a "true" Christian is? Is there one person organization that gets to decide what Christianity requires of us? There will be millions of disappointed Christians by any such measure.

dsolo802
05-06-2012, 04:34 PM
except for one thing.. we already have a path to citizenship .. it is called legal immigration...So let him come in via that route.

dsolo802
05-06-2012, 04:37 PM
Well at least he admits to being a progressive in that post.No Ramone, I admitted to supporting what you would conceive to be a "progressive policy." I am free to support any policy regardless of who supports it as long as it meets a simple test: Do I support the goal? Do I think the means chosen to achieve it is cost effective and will work?


Something we already knew however. No, sorry.


As for the last statement in the quote, I think we are all chapped in this relationship with the Obama administration.

Mister D
05-06-2012, 05:20 PM
So let him come in via that route.

Let him stay home.

HogRancher
05-06-2012, 05:47 PM
If your pastor's next sentence, during any given sermon in church, could be substituted by an excerpt from an ordinary Obama speech, without losing a beat, straying off-topic, or becoming incoherent, you're not experiencing Christianity in church. No, you're undergoing more PC-brainwashing. You went from being brain-washed in front of the television, to being brainwashed by listening to the radio in your car, to being brain-washed by your pastor, in church, when you finally got there. It's all part of the same campaign. It's all a pack of crypto-Marxist lies.

dsolo802
05-06-2012, 06:15 PM
Let him stay home.:laugh:

Vilifier of Zombies
05-06-2012, 06:49 PM
My daughter in law is a counselor of family services in The Wounded Warrior Project in San Diego.

She isn't prescribing antidepressants is she?

Vilifier of Zombies
05-06-2012, 06:50 PM
Did I ever tell ya about the time I was hitch-hiking and a beautiful red head picked me up in Iowa. She had a case of beer on ice in the back seat and she was headed to Souix City where she worked in a meat packing plant. The cops pulled her over and arrested her right there. I wasn't arrested, but I felt so bad for her.

What did you do, throw her under the bus?

spunkloaf
05-06-2012, 06:52 PM
LOL. Right. That's classic.

:laugh:

You're an idiot.

:angry:

Vilifier of Zombies
05-06-2012, 06:55 PM
So did I. Check post #141. First shot.

Is your skin really that thin Alias? I don't even think that qualifies as a shot, much less a first shot.

spunkloaf
05-06-2012, 06:56 PM
and dumbed down to the point of idiocy,, look at the difference in student behavior from say the late 50s /early 60s to the behavior of students today. it is like 2 different worlds. and I am not so sure that I like the students of today.. no respect, very little morals, .. no schools weren't NUETRALIZED they were indoctrinated into secular humanism

The lack of respect doesn't come from the schools. My high school was very liberal. There were few students who showed disrespect.

In fact, you're making a generalization from tv programs you watch, I'm quite sure. TV rots your brain, ya know. Didn't your mother ever tell you that?

Alias
05-06-2012, 07:01 PM
She isn't prescribing antidepressants is she?

You're confused, dear. Doctors prescribe medication.

Alias
05-06-2012, 07:03 PM
The lack of respect doesn't come from the schools. My high school was very liberal. There were few students who showed disrespect.

In fact, you're making a generalization from tv programs you watch, I'm quite sure. TV rots your brain, ya know. Didn't your mother ever tell you that?

Judging by some of the posts made here, I'd say he's right on.

Alias
05-06-2012, 07:04 PM
Is your skin really that thin Alias? I don't even think that qualifies as a shot, much less a first shot.

VoZ takes a Dump


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODMYcTJGRiY

spunkloaf
05-06-2012, 07:07 PM
Judging by some of the posts made here, I'd say he's right on.

You're an idiot so what do you know anyways?

Alias
05-06-2012, 07:08 PM
You're an idiot so what do you know anyways?

So what is the reason for your lack of respect?

Mister D
05-06-2012, 07:10 PM
The lack of respect doesn't come from the schools. My high school was very liberal. There were few students who showed disrespect.

In fact, you're making a generalization from tv programs you watch, I'm quite sure. TV rots your brain, ya know. Didn't your mother ever tell you that?

Yep we all watch Fox and get all of our views from Bill O'Reilly. Does this ever get old for you, Spunk?

spunkloaf
05-06-2012, 07:11 PM
So what is the reason for your lack of respect?

You have no respect for me, why should I respect you? Dude. It's a two way street, you're not entitled to shit. You're an idiot. For real. Just stop.

Alias
05-06-2012, 07:12 PM
You have no respect for me, why should I respect you? Dude. It's a two way street, you're not entitled to shit. You're an idiot. For real. Just stop.

Why should I respect you when you continue to make posts like this one?

wingrider
05-06-2012, 07:13 PM
The lack of respect doesn't come from the schools. My high school was very liberal. There were few students who showed disrespect.

In fact, you're making a generalization from tv programs you watch, I'm quite sure. TV rots your brain, ya know. Didn't your mother ever tell you that? now come on spunk no need to go down this road.. my observation is made of years of wathing news and reading newspaper accounts of schools have deteriorated over the last 40 or so years, now I will make a deal with you, you play nice and so will I.. OK?

Vilifier of Zombies
05-06-2012, 07:21 PM
You're confused, dear. Doctors prescribe medication.

Just someone inserting their opinions then - awesome.

Vilifier of Zombies
05-06-2012, 07:22 PM
VoZ takes a Dump



Alias finding out he'd smoked to much weed!


http://youtu.be/9JPKo5vUbuo

Alias
05-06-2012, 07:24 PM
Just someone inserting their opinions then - awesome.

Helping wounded warriors and their families. That is awesome, I agree.

Alias
05-06-2012, 07:25 PM
Alias finding out he'd smoked to much weed!


http://youtu.be/9JPKo5vUbuo

That would be "too" much weed, not "to much weed. I bet you went to public school.

Vilifier of Zombies
05-06-2012, 07:30 PM
Helping wounded warriors and their families. That is awesome, I agree.

How is it she's helping them exactly?

I still have a couple mortar fragments lodged in my left leg - I'm now a walking talking barometric monitor, no counselor needed.

Cup half full Alias.

Vilifier of Zombies
05-06-2012, 07:31 PM
That would be "too" much weed, not "to much weed. I bet you went to public school.

lol, like it matters sparky...

gophangover
05-06-2012, 07:36 PM
That would be "too" much weed, not "to much weed. I bet you went to public school.

Yeah man, Catholic school is where it's at. "Catholic girls...with their (not there) tiny little mustache..."

Conley
05-06-2012, 07:54 PM
Public schools can be great. Like many, even most things in life what you get out is what you put into it.

Mister D
05-06-2012, 08:00 PM
Public schools can be great. Like many, even most things in life what you get out is what you put into it.

Good point.

Achtung
05-06-2012, 08:18 PM
Public schools can be great. Like many, even most things in life what you get out is what you put into it.This is true.

Achtung
05-06-2012, 08:19 PM
Helping wounded warriors and their families. That is awesome, I agree.Very awesome. Your sister sounds like a stand-up gal.