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Cigar
07-09-2014, 07:52 PM
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Well, how about that? Cut taxes and you end up with less tax revenue. That's the punchline of this important piece by Josh Barro over at the New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/29/upshot/kansas-tax-cut-leaves-brownback-with-less-money.html?ref=business) on the outcome of recent tax cuts in the state of Kansas.
Barro does a fine job on the forensics at the crime scene, dissecting the ways in which tax cuts in Kansas have reduced revenue even more than projected, failed to generate the promised jobs boom, and in some cases, not even cut individuals' tax liabilities (this occurs in cases where the taxpayer no longer gets a credit for the tax that's been cut against some other tax still in place). But he misses the larger movement afoot in which Kansas is but one victim.
To do a bit of detective work on the large picture, ask yourself whether this all sounds familiar: cut taxes on the wealthy and you'll unleash enough growth to more than make up the difference. Investment will flourish leading jobs, wages, and productivity to accelerate.
It's plain old vanilla trickle-down, supply-side economics. That it doesn't work is as well established as the fact that if I eat ice-cream sundaes all day, I won't lose weight. It would surely be a nice trick if we could just pay less taxes, eat more junk, and be better off and thinner too. But we can't.
Now, remember the guy behind this trickle-down fairy dust? That's right, Art Laffer. And while he's basically lost at the national level -- Mitt Romney ran on trickle down and nobody bought it (though congressional R's still push it, of course, as in Rep. Ryan's budget) -- he's now working with the group the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) to spread his gospel to the states. (Full disclosure: Art is an old friend, a guy I've known for years and like a lot; his economics, OTOH, I consider to be bonkers).

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jared-bernstein/kansas-tax-cuts_b_5542430.html

keymanjim
07-09-2014, 07:53 PM
There is never anything wrong with less taxes. Letting those that earned the money keep it and spend it the way they see fit would stimulate the economy.

Cigar
07-09-2014, 07:58 PM
There is never anything wrong with less taxes. Letting those that earned the money keep it and spend it the way they see fit would stimulate the economy.

Yea ... but those people with more money in their pockets can't get basic services. :laugh:

Brillant :grin: 911 .. Fuck you, get a Gun, House on Fire ... Fuck you, buy a Garden Hose :tongue:

Pot Holes need fixed ... Fuck you, buy a 4x4 with that extra Tax money :laugh:

keymanjim
07-09-2014, 08:05 PM
Yea ... but those people with more money in their pockets can't get basic services. :laugh:

Brillant :grin: 911 .. Fuck you, get a Gun, House on Fire ... Fuck you, buy a Garden Hose :tongue:

Pot Holes need fixed ... Fuck you, buy a 4x4 with that extra Tax money :laugh:
Police and fire are paid through my property taxes. Those in my area that rent get those services free at my expense.
Roadwork is paid from gas taxes.
Cut funding to bridges to nowhere and shrimp treadmills and they wont need to tax us as much.

Cigar
07-09-2014, 08:07 PM
Police and fire are paid through my property taxes. Those in my area that rent get those services free at my expense.
Roadwork is paid from gas taxes.
Cut funding to bridges to nowhere and shrimp treadmills and they wont need to tax us as much.



I hate to break it to you sport ... they are in debt :laugh:

keymanjim
07-09-2014, 08:10 PM
I hate to break it to you sport ... they are in debt :laugh:
Not in my township.

Cigar
07-09-2014, 08:12 PM
Not in my township.


Oh ... so are YOU saying you have no association?

Humm ... maybe you teach MainKitty Little D a thing about that :laugh:

Cigar
07-09-2014, 08:25 PM
Kansas, the Taxpayer's Paradise...

Chris Hayes just had a segment about Kansas and how they were doing since they cut income taxes to the lowest in the nation. Senator Sam Brownback, the truest believer in supply-side taxcuts, is in political trouble because his state is now in deep financial trouble. Last year, they had $700 million less in revenues than the year before. Small communities are closing their schools. The poorest people are asked to give up some of their tax breaks to raise a little revenue. Kansas is in deep trouble.

Brownback attempted to put the theory of lower tax rates create magic in the economy into practice and it has failed miserably. He has put Kansas into a deep recession with his supply-side theories. It has failed miserably and there is no one else to blame.

keymanjim
07-09-2014, 08:27 PM
Oh ... so are YOU saying you have no association?

Humm ... maybe you teach MainKitty Little D a thing about that :laugh:
How about you figure out what you're talking about and get back to me.

nic34
07-09-2014, 08:28 PM
There is never anything wrong with less taxes. Letting those that earned the money keep it and spend it the way they see fit would stimulate the economy.

Yeah, they can afford to buy a bus ticket to a state that actually has jobs, roads, schools and homes.

Cigar
07-09-2014, 08:32 PM
How about you figure out what you're talking about and get back to me.


This Post was never about YOU ,,

But YOU were the one who unzipped your fly and got it cut-off. :laugh:

keymanjim
07-09-2014, 08:32 PM
Yeah, they can afford to buy a bus ticket to a state that actually has jobs, roads, schools and homes.
I guess what I said went straight over your head.

keymanjim
07-09-2014, 08:34 PM
This Post was never about YOU ,,

But YOU were the one who unzipped your fly and got it cut-off. :laugh:
You still haven't proved me wrong.
How is letting those that earned the money keep it and spend it they way they see fit a bad thing?

Cigar
07-09-2014, 08:55 PM
Deny Deny Deny

zelmo1234
07-09-2014, 09:01 PM
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Well, how about that? Cut taxes and you end up with less tax revenue. That's the punchline of this important piece by Josh Barro over at the New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/29/upshot/kansas-tax-cut-leaves-brownback-with-less-money.html?ref=business) on the outcome of recent tax cuts in the state of Kansas.
Barro does a fine job on the forensics at the crime scene, dissecting the ways in which tax cuts in Kansas have reduced revenue even more than projected, failed to generate the promised jobs boom, and in some cases, not even cut individuals' tax liabilities (this occurs in cases where the taxpayer no longer gets a credit for the tax that's been cut against some other tax still in place). But he misses the larger movement afoot in which Kansas is but one victim.
To do a bit of detective work on the large picture, ask yourself whether this all sounds familiar: cut taxes on the wealthy and you'll unleash enough growth to more than make up the difference. Investment will flourish leading jobs, wages, and productivity to accelerate.
It's plain old vanilla trickle-down, supply-side economics. That it doesn't work is as well established as the fact that if I eat ice-cream sundaes all day, I won't lose weight. It would surely be a nice trick if we could just pay less taxes, eat more junk, and be better off and thinner too. But we can't.
Now, remember the guy behind this trickle-down fairy dust? That's right, Art Laffer. And while he's basically lost at the national level -- Mitt Romney ran on trickle down and nobody bought it (though congressional R's still push it, of course, as in Rep. Ryan's budget) -- he's now working with the group the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) to spread his gospel to the states. (Full disclosure: Art is an old friend, a guy I've known for years and like a lot; his economics, OTOH, I consider to be bonkers).

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jared-bernstein/kansas-tax-cuts_b_5542430.html



Historically that is not the case?

But the left constantly lies about it because their policy of socialism has a 100% failure rate.

http://www.usgovernmentrevenue.com/revenue_history

nic34
07-09-2014, 09:02 PM
You still haven't proved me wrong.
How is letting those that earned the money keep it and spend it they way they see fit a bad thing?

How is that money doing you any good if schools are closing and the state's infrastructure isn't being maintained?

Going to plow your highways yourself next winter?

keymanjim
07-09-2014, 09:04 PM
How is that money doing you any good if schools are closing and the state's infrastructure isn't being maintained?

Going to plow your highways yourself next winter?
Roads are paid for through gas taxes. And, since I live in a state where property taxes pay for the schools, closing them would save me money.

nic34
07-09-2014, 09:04 PM
Historically that is not the case?

But the left constantly lies about it because their policy of socialism has a 100% failure rate.

http://www.usgovernmentrevenue.com/revenue_history

We're talking about Kansas, zel.

Cigar
07-09-2014, 09:06 PM
Do you get it now ToTo :laugh:

zelmo1234
07-09-2014, 09:08 PM
How is that money doing you any good if schools are closing and the state's infrastructure isn't being maintained?

Going to plow your highways yourself next winter?

So it looks to me like the schools are closing due to population decline, and infrastructure if you do away with prevailing wage you can fix the roads and the people have more money to invest and with low taxes like in ND companies will move there!

Cigar
07-09-2014, 09:08 PM
Roads are paid for through gas taxes. And, since I live in a state where property taxes pay for the schools, closing them would save me money.

Hay Einstein that runs out at the end of July

del
07-09-2014, 09:09 PM
So it looks to me like the schools are closing due to population decline, and infrastructure if you do away with prevailing wage you can fix the roads and the people have more money to invest and with low taxes like in ND companies will move there!

do you think low taxes causes oil fields to appear?

keymanjim
07-09-2014, 09:10 PM
Hay Einstein that runs out at the end of July
Once again, you're talking in gibberish.

zelmo1234
07-09-2014, 09:12 PM
We're talking about Kansas, zel.

http://ballotpedia.org/Kansas_state_budget

First year it rose slightly in Kansas too!

You have to remember in left wing government, if you increase the budget less than what they wanted the increase to be? It is a cut!

And you should know by now? Liberals LIE

http://ballotpedia.org/Kansas_state_budget

zelmo1234
07-09-2014, 09:14 PM
do you think low taxes causes oil fields to appear?

NO but it does cause the oil company to relocate there regional offices and silicon valley to move from CA to ND

It is not just the oil boom that is driving their economy!

But the left does not want to look into it because it has a lot to do with personal responsibility and the government getting the hell out of the way!

nic34
07-09-2014, 09:16 PM
Roads are paid for through gas taxes. And, since I live in a state where property taxes pay for the schools, closing them would save me money.

Now those taxes will go up. Nice going brownback, you just shifted the taxes from businesses to working folks.

And when schools close, crime goes up. Oops, no revenue to build more jails! Maybe you can now afford to have them stay at your place? :grin:

del
07-09-2014, 09:17 PM
NO but it does cause the oil company to relocate there regional offices and silicon valley to move from CA to ND

It is not just the oil boom that is driving their economy!

But the left does not want to look into it because it has a lot to do with personal responsibility and the government getting the hell out of the way!

so the oil company puts its regional offices where the oil is and that's because of low taxes?

:rofl:

zelmo1234
07-09-2014, 09:19 PM
Now those taxes will go up. Nice going brownback, you just shifted the taxes from businesses to working folks.

And when schools close, crime goes up. Oops, no revenue to build more jails! Maybe you can now afford to have them stay at your place? :grin:

Except the revenue did not drop I just posted Kansas numbers.

And if companies start to move in? Then the revenue will skyrocket!

It did in MI, WI, IN, OH, PA sure the first year is a little tuff? but now we have had surpluses for 3 years.

Following 8 years of Granholm deficits ? It feels pretty good!

nic34
07-09-2014, 09:20 PM
http://ballotpedia.org/Kansas_state_budget

First year it rose slightly in Kansas too!

You have to remember in left wing government, if you increase the budget less than what they wanted the increase to be? It is a cut!

And you should know by now? Liberals LIE

http://ballotpedia.org/Kansas_state_budget

That's nearly 2 years old, zel This article just came out..

zelmo1234
07-09-2014, 09:21 PM
so the oil company puts its regional offices where the oil is and that's because of low taxes?

:rofl:

Well they moved all the way from western Minnesota? to eastern ND? why do you think that they moved?

Nearly 400 companies have left IL and moved to WI? just a hundred miles to the north? Why?

zelmo1234
07-09-2014, 09:24 PM
That's nearly 2 years old, zel This article just came out..

Yes but it is Liberal BS article, they wanted more money, and can't get it and now they are crying!

You can't tax your way out of the economic crisis that the country and the states are in!

They had a huge drought last year and that means that farmers made a lot less money! And in Kansas that is huge?


They had Wasting disease go through their whitetail hear and they figure that cost them 300 million alone!


You have to attract business, it is working everywhere it has been tried including the rust belt that was dying under their democratic gov and administrations? now the states are starting to thrive!

Bob
07-09-2014, 09:27 PM
http://www.kansascity.com/opinion/readers-opinion/as-i-see-it/article685284.html

Paul Krugman of The New York Times took a shot at Arthur Laffer and me last week calling us “charlatans and cranks” for advising governors around the country to cut taxes to boost economic growth and jobs.
Krugman says it went awry in Kansas, where Republican Gov. Sam Brownback cut the top tax rate from 6 percent to 4.5 percent and to zero on small-business income. According to him, the Kansas economy is lagging and the state shows that “tax cuts don’t have magical powers.”
Well, it’s true, tax cuts don’t have magical powers, and it is an often-repeated caricature by the left that Laffer and I and others believe that to be true. There are dozens of reasons why some places grow and others lag behind — and taxes are only one of them.
http://www.kansascity.com/opinion/readers-opinion/as-i-see-it/edenp7/picture685283/alternates/FREE_960/Moore_Steve.jpgStephen Moore | David Hills










But what is irrefutable from the evidence in the states, not just Kansas, is that strategic tax-rate reductions can ignite growth and employment. Memo to Krugman: Read our new book: “An Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of States.”
Here is what the national data tell us: Over the past two decades, the nine states without an income tax have had double the population growth and more than double the income growth of states with very high income taxes. These results are statistically significant, which means it is very unlikely they happened by chance.
This does not mean all states that cut taxes have growth or that all states with high taxes don’t have growth. It means there is a strong propensity for low-tax and tax-cutting states to grow. Period.
This is a problem for the left because places such as New York, Massachusetts, Illinois and California that have been following Krugman’s (and President Barack Obama’s) economic strategy are getting clobbered by tax-cutting states.
No-income-tax Texas gained 1 million jobs over the last five years, California, with its 13 percent tax rate, managed to lose jobs. Oops. Florida gained hundreds of thousands of jobs while New York lost jobs. Oops. Illinois raised taxes more than any other state over the last five years and its credit rating is the second lowest of all the states, below that of Kansas!
Low taxes may not be “magical,” but they do seem to make places mighty attractive to millions of Americans who are voting with their feet to call these places home.
As for Kansas, the tax cut has been in effect a mere 18 months — not a lot of time to measure the impact. What we do know is that Kansas had slightly more economic growth (2.4 percent) than the nation as a whole (2.2 percent).
Krugman says job growth in Kansas lags behind the rest of the region, but in an interview, Gov. Brownback explains why: “We’ve cut public-sector jobs by making government more efficient.” As for private-sector job growth, “we’re second in the region last year behind only Oklahoma, which has an energy boom.”
The Kansas story is still incomplete, and we will see over the next few years whether growth is revived in a state that people have been fleeing for the past decade. Tax revenues are down, but they are in most states because of reductions in capital gains receipts from 2013.
In Kansas City, the growth has been much faster on the Kansas side of the border than the Missouri side. For now, there is nothing the matter with Kansas.
Krugman resorts to a line of argumentation that is all too typical of liberals. Cherry-picking a few events — the occasional high-tax state that is doing better than average, or a low-tax state that is falling behind — to blur the unmistakable pattern that low taxes (along with light regulation, energy production and right-to-work laws) have become magnets for people and businesses and jobs.
Governors and state legislators are starting to get it. Liberalism left unchecked creates economic mayhem, high unemployment, poverty and dead zones like Detroit and Newark and Rochester.
Blue states and cities have two options: lower taxes and regulations to grow the economy or keep listening to Paul Krugman and continue to bleed to death.
Who’s the real con artist and charlatan here?
Stephen Moore, of Falls Church, Va., is chief economist at the Heritage Foundation. A version of this piece first appeared in Investors Business Daily.

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/opinion/readers-opinion/as-i-see-it/article685284.html#storylink=cpy

keymanjim
07-09-2014, 09:45 PM
Now those taxes will go up. Nice going brownback, you just shifted the taxes from businesses to working folks.

And when schools close, crime goes up. Oops, no revenue to build more jails! Maybe you can now afford to have them stay at your place? :grin:
Everyone uses the roads so everyone should pay for them, yellowback. When some schools close others will expand. It's a simple enough plan for my state if they consolidate the 613 individual school districts into singular county districts.
What care do I have the jails are overcrowded? Don't do the crime if....you know the rest.

midcan5
07-10-2014, 06:27 AM
If George W Bush proved anything during his presidency, it is tax cuts do more harm than good. Had he invested in infrastructure and jobs we may actually have had a reason to praise him rather than simply wonder why some can squander the riches of the nation, its people and their work.

"There is no historical evidence that tax cuts spur economic growth. The highest period of growth in U.S. history (1933-1973) also saw its highest tax rates on the rich: 70 to 91 percent. During this period, the general tax rate climbed as well, but it reached a plateau in 1969, and growth slowed down five years later. Almost all rich nations have higher general taxes than the U.S., and they are growing faster as well." Tax cuts spur economic growth (http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-taxgrowth.htm)

The Idolatry of Ideology-Why Tax Cuts Hurt the Economy by Russ Beaton (http://www.alternativesmagazine.com/25/beaton.html)

Spending Cuts Vs. Tax Increases at the State Level, 10/30/01 (http://www.cbpp.org/10-30-01sfp.htm)

The rich get rich because of their merit. (http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-richmerit.htm)


"The economic growth that actually followed — indeed, the whole history of the last 20 years — offers one of the most serious challenges to modern conservatism. Bill Clinton and the elder George Bush both raised taxes in the early 1990s, and conservatives predicted disaster. Instead, the economy boomed, and incomes grew at their fastest pace since the 1960s. Then came the younger Mr. Bush, the tax cuts, the disappointing expansion and the worst downturn since the Depression." http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/16/opinion/sunday/do-tax-cuts-lead-to-economic-growth.html


"Republicans ignore tax entitlements, which flow mostly to high-income taxpayers, while pushing to cut Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security." http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/17/opinion/sunday/the-real-spending-problem.html


'Wishful Thinking and Middle-Class Taxes' By N. Gregory Mankiw
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/30/business/on-middle-class-tax-rates-too-much-wishful-thinking.html


"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." John Kenneth Galbraith

Captain Obvious
07-10-2014, 06:44 AM
Tax revenue needs to be where they're at right now with a shift away from the middle class, spending needs to be drastically cut.

Simple, basic checkbook balancing ideology.

donttread
07-10-2014, 06:58 AM
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Well, how about that? Cut taxes and you end up with less tax revenue. That's the punchline of this important piece by Josh Barro over at the New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/29/upshot/kansas-tax-cut-leaves-brownback-with-less-money.html?ref=business) on the outcome of recent tax cuts in the state of Kansas.
Barro does a fine job on the forensics at the crime scene, dissecting the ways in which tax cuts in Kansas have reduced revenue even more than projected, failed to generate the promised jobs boom, and in some cases, not even cut individuals' tax liabilities (this occurs in cases where the taxpayer no longer gets a credit for the tax that's been cut against some other tax still in place). But he misses the larger movement afoot in which Kansas is but one victim.
To do a bit of detective work on the large picture, ask yourself whether this all sounds familiar: cut taxes on the wealthy and you'll unleash enough growth to more than make up the difference. Investment will flourish leading jobs, wages, and productivity to accelerate.
It's plain old vanilla trickle-down, supply-side economics. That it doesn't work is as well established as the fact that if I eat ice-cream sundaes all day, I won't lose weight. It would surely be a nice trick if we could just pay less taxes, eat more junk, and be better off and thinner too. But we can't.
Now, remember the guy behind this trickle-down fairy dust? That's right, Art Laffer. And while he's basically lost at the national level -- Mitt Romney ran on trickle down and nobody bought it (though congressional R's still push it, of course, as in Rep. Ryan's budget) -- he's now working with the group the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) to spread his gospel to the states. (Full disclosure: Art is an old friend, a guy I've known for years and like a lot; his economics, OTOH, I consider to be bonkers).

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jared-bernstein/kansas-tax-cuts_b_5542430.html



In a similar way if you cut across the board spending you spend less

zelmo1234
07-10-2014, 07:05 AM
If George W Bush proved anything during his presidency, it is tax cuts do more harm than good. Had he invested in infrastructure and jobs we may actually have had a reason to praise him rather than simply wonder why some can squander the riches of the nation, its people and their work.

"There is no historical evidence that tax cuts spur economic growth. The highest period of growth in U.S. history (1933-1973) also saw its highest tax rates on the rich: 70 to 91 percent. During this period, the general tax rate climbed as well, but it reached a plateau in 1969, and growth slowed down five years later. Almost all rich nations have higher general taxes than the U.S., and they are growing faster as well." Tax cuts spur economic growth (http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-taxgrowth.htm)

The Idolatry of Ideology-Why Tax Cuts Hurt the Economy by Russ Beaton (http://www.alternativesmagazine.com/25/beaton.html)

Spending Cuts Vs. Tax Increases at the State Level, 10/30/01 (http://www.cbpp.org/10-30-01sfp.htm)

The rich get rich because of their merit. (http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-richmerit.htm)


"The economic growth that actually followed — indeed, the whole history of the last 20 years — offers one of the most serious challenges to modern conservatism. Bill Clinton and the elder George Bush both raised taxes in the early 1990s, and conservatives predicted disaster. Instead, the economy boomed, and incomes grew at their fastest pace since the 1960s. Then came the younger Mr. Bush, the tax cuts, the disappointing expansion and the worst downturn since the Depression." http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/16/opinion/sunday/do-tax-cuts-lead-to-economic-growth.html


"Republicans ignore tax entitlements, which flow mostly to high-income taxpayers, while pushing to cut Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security." http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/17/opinion/sunday/the-real-spending-problem.html


'Wishful Thinking and Middle-Class Taxes' By N. Gregory Mankiw
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/30/business/on-middle-class-tax-rates-too-much-wishful-thinking.html


"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." John Kenneth Galbraith

I love liberal they can look at a Horse and tell you it is a cow without cracking a smile. And by the time they get home they really believe it is a cow

Here is the Truth,

Obama has never had as many people working as the day he took office

The middle class has lost 40% of their wealth under Obama

the poor and middle class have lost 5K in income under Obama

Healthcare costs have risen nearly 40% under Obama and co-pay for the poor and middle class have doubled

The real unemployment rate is 12.1% under Obama and worker participation rates are back to that of the 1970's

NOW WE HAVE POSTED THE LINKS TO THESE MANY TIMES AND I WILL GLADLY DO IT AGAIN IF REQUESTED

But this is what you have to dismiss if you are a progressive democrat like Midcan

You actually have to live in a fantasy world, and pretend that these are not the facts?

Then you have to tell everyone what you are doing is building a thriving economy!

Mainecoons
07-10-2014, 07:09 AM
These are the same folks who put up two or three threads lauding an employment report that shows another half million full time jobs lost. What do you expect from them?

nic34
07-10-2014, 07:23 AM
I love liberal they can look at a Horse and tell you it is a cow without cracking a smile. And by the time they get home they really believe it is a cow

Here is the Truth,

Obama has never had as many people working as the day he took office

The middle class has lost 40% of their wealth under Obama

the poor and middle class have lost 5K in income under Obama

Healthcare costs have risen nearly 40% under Obama and co-pay for the poor and middle class have doubled

The real unemployment rate is 12.1% under Obama and worker participation rates are back to that of the 1970's

NOW WE HAVE POSTED THE LINKS TO THESE MANY TIMES AND I WILL GLADLY DO IT AGAIN IF REQUESTED

But this is what you have to dismiss if you are a progressive democrat like Midcan

You actually have to live in a fantasy world, and pretend that these are not the facts?

Then you have to tell everyone what you are doing is building a thriving economy!

midcan did source all his assertions.

Not to mention just looking at the success of the 90's vs the bust of the 2000's.... ain't rocket science.

Mainecoons
07-10-2014, 07:26 AM
I'm glad you didn't add the success of the 2010s. Now that would be a laugh.

zelmo1234
07-10-2014, 07:35 AM
One difference, midcan sourced all his assertions.

Not to mention just looking at the success of the 90's vs the bust of the 2000's.... ain't rocket science.

So you are requesting again, just like I predicted that the liberals would do, you will notice that I put it in caps! Most of this have been sourced in this thread but here you go?

I suspect that you will agree with me after that! And By the By you are correct about the 90's what brought about the economic boom of the Clinton years????????

http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2008/03/tax-cuts-not-the-clinton-tax-hike-produced-the-1990s-boom

Dang Old Clinton gave a huge tax cut to the Rich!

Here are the sources you asked for

http://www.usgovernmentrevenue.com/revenue_history WOW look at that revenue increase after the tax cuts

http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000 Where have all the worker gone???? Long time passing????? Where have all the workers gone

http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000 Son of a Bitch those tax cuts sure do put people back to work! and with great worker participation too

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2014/02/25/the-next-shoe-to-drop-obamacare-will-increase-the-cost-of-employer-sponsored-insurance/

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-11-15/obamacare-deductibles-26-higher-make-cheap-rates-a-risk.html
(http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-11-15/obamacare-deductibles-26-higher-make-cheap-rates-a-risk.html)
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2014/06/02/studies-health-costs-increasing-under-obamacare-n1846034

THAT PRETTY MUCH COVERS THE BLESSING OF THE ACA

http://money.cnn.com/2014/01/24/news/economy/middle-class-economy/ wages and wealth are gone for middle class?

Now I suspect Nic that you will be very quick to apologize for the error of your ways?