Give AMNESTY. Create an Immigration Crisis.

[protectionist]

We conservatives have been saying for years, that if you give amnesty to illegal aliens, you will be opening the floodgates for huge numbers more to come flocking in.

Obama gave the dreamers amnesty, opened the floodgates, and now we have a tsunami of illegal aliens pouring in.

We have consistently said it would happen. IT'S HAPPENING.

But the craziest part of it is that Obama, even while witnessing this crisis, is making it far worse , by talking about"comprehensive immigration reform" (ie. AMNESTY), thereby encouraging still more migrants to come here, and escalate the crisis. I think the Dems are just immigrant crazy, and they want as many as they can get, seeing them as VOTES for upcoming elections.

[Cigar]

Smoke Screen ... all refugees have been detained ... Boarder Security is now better than it's ever been in the history of the US

Of course if you want more security guards, The President sent you conservatives a request for more security :laugh:

Looks like Obama called another bluff :grin:

[protectionist]

We conservatives have been saying for years, that if you give amnesty to illegal aliens, you will be opening the floodgates for huge numbers more to come flocking in.

Obama gave the dreamers amnesty, opened the floodgates, and now we have a tsunami of illegal aliens pouring in.

We have consistently said it would happen. IT'S HAPPENING.

But the craziest part of it is that Obama, even while witnessing this crisis, is making it far worse , by talking about"comprehensive immigration reform" (ie. AMNESTY), thereby encouraging still more migrants to come here, and escalate the crisis. I think the Dems are just immigrant crazy, and they want as many as they can get, seeing them as VOTES for upcoming elections.

[Cigar]

:laugh: Twice as Stupid

[IMPress Polly]

As far as I'm concerned, what we see unfolding on the border is a humanitarian crisis, and one that only exists precisely because the border is secure; because there are so many detentions. Think: If the problem is that we lack adequate prison facilities to contain the current pool of refugees (a great many of whom are children) fleeing central America, then is not the solution to simply permit entry into the country like we permit people to cross state boundaries without feeling compelled to jail them for so doing?

[hanger4]

Smoke Screen ... all refugees have been detained ... Boarder Security is now better than it's ever been in the history of the USOf course if you want more security guards, The President sent you conservatives a request for more security :laugh:Looks like Obama called another bluff :grin:Who declared then refugees Cigar ??

[The Sage of Main Street]

We conservatives have been saying for years.





But the craziest part of it is that Obama, even while witnessing this crisis, is making it far worse , by talking about"comprehensive immigration reform" (ie. AMNESTY), thereby encouraging still more migrants to come here, and escalate the crisis. I think the Dems are just immigrant crazy.
Legal immigrants are just as undesirable. That is the opinion of the ignored and disempowered majority, which must crush the upper class in order to get back its right to rule. The Rightists are self-declared enemies of democracy and collaborate with this immigration treason for selfish economic reasons: (1) these foreigners are willing to work for less as long as it's more than they can make in the backward countries they deserved to be born in, (2) they are pushed into us as part of trade deals to set up Third World sweatshops and drill their oil for the OPECker jihadis, and (3) they act as decoys when Republicans pretend to be pro-American and can get the people to attack the GUBMINT instead of the united Liberal/Conservative axis in the shadows. Then, when Republicans get elected in reaction to this treason, they ignore the nativist patriots and only care about making the rich richer.

[protectionist]

Smoke Screen ... all refugees have been detained ... Boarder Security is now better than it's ever been in the history of the US

Of course if you want more security guards, The President sent you conservatives a request for more security :laugh:

Looks like Obama called another bluff :grin:

Are you talking out of a weird dream ? The border is in a state of massive crisis, and you say "Boarder Security is now better than it's ever been in the history of the US" Pheeew! Man, you can't even spell the word "border", let alone come close to making an assessment. Border security is in a state of CHAOS, and WORSE than it's ever been, AND YOU KNOW IT, Mr. false prophet.

You are the smoke screener. These migrants are NOT REFUGEES. They are not being kidnapped. They're not "victims" of "trafficking". They are people who are willingingly coming here. When motive-questioned by border patrol agents in 3 different states, 95% all have been saying the same thing. They came because they want to live here and be legalized, just like the Dream Act kids.

As for Obama, the only thing he has "called", is tens of thousands of Central Americans to trek up here, and illegally cross into the United States, by having amnestied the Dreamer kids.

[protectionist]

As far as I'm concerned, what we see unfolding on the border is a humanitarian crisis, and one that only exists precisely because the border is secure; because there are so many detentions. Think: If the problem is that we lack adequate prison facilities to contain the current pool of refugees (a great many of whom are children) fleeing central America, then is not the solution to simply permit entry into the country like we permit people to cross state boundaries without feeling compelled to jail them for so doing?

Got a clue as to why we have some of the most PROTECTIVE laws (for the American people) ever written ? That is our immigration laws. Any idea ? Here's why >>

Harms of Immigration

1. Americans lose jobs. (especially Whites due to affirmative action).

2. Wage reduction.

3. Tax $ lost (due to off books work + lower wages paid).

4. Remittance $$$ lost. ($170 Billion year).

5. Tax $$ lost to immigrants on welfare.

6. Increased crime.

7. Increased traffic congestion.

8. Increased pollution.

9. Overcrowding in hospital ERs.

10. Overcrowding in recreational facilities.

11. Overcrowding in government offices.

12. Overcrowding in schools.

13. Decrease in funds available for entitlements.

14. Cultural erosion.

15. Overuse of scarce resources (oil, gasoline, fresh water, jobs, electricity, food, etc)

16. Introduction of foreign diseases.

And there has been no proof to show that this latest, massive illegal invasion is, in any way, a "humanitarian crisis". It is a crisis for the American people. We do know THAT.

[protectionist]

Who declared then refugees Cigar ??

Yes. HE did do that. Exercising his right to free speech (no matter how questionable it may be) http://www.usmessageboard.com/images/smilies/lol.gif

[GrassrootsConservative]

As far as I'm concerned, what we see unfolding on the border is a humanitarian crisis, and one that only exists precisely because the border is secure; because there are so many detentions. Think: If the problem is that we lack adequate prison facilities to contain the current pool of refugees (a great many of whom are children) fleeing central America, then is not the solution to simply permit entry into the country like we permit people to cross state boundaries without feeling compelled to jail them for so doing?

The law requires people go through certain trials in order to become a citizen. If we let everyone into free America there would be no room unless some of the loony Liberals went to countries that fit their idiotic ideology, like Russia or North Korea or Cuba.

[IMPress Polly]

Protectionist wrote:
Got a clue as to why we have some of the most PROTECTIVE laws (for the American people) ever written ? That is our immigration laws. Any idea ? Here's why >>

Harms of Immigration

1. Americans lose jobs. (especially Whites due to affirmative action).

2. Wage reduction.

3. Tax $ lost (due to off books work + lower wages paid).

4. Remittance $$$ lost. ($170 Billion year).

5. Tax $$ lost to immigrants on welfare.

6. Increased crime.

7. Increased traffic congestion.

8. Increased pollution.

9. Overcrowding in hospital ERs.

10. Overcrowding in recreational facilities.

11. Overcrowding in government offices.

12. Overcrowding in schools.

13. Decrease in funds available for entitlements.

14. Cultural erosion.

15. Overuse of scarce resources (oil, gasoline, fresh water, jobs, electricity, food, etc)

16. Introduction of foreign diseases.

And there has been no proof to show that this latest, massive illegal invasion is, in any way, a "humanitarian crisis". It is a crisis for the American people. We do know THAT.

So, to sum it all up, what you're saying is that WE'RE BEING INVADED!!! BY CHILDREN AND SINGLE MOMS!!! ...? :wink:

[The Sage of Main Street]

Got a clue as to why we have some of the most PROTECTIVE laws (for the American people) ever written ? That is our immigration laws. Any idea ? Here's why >>

Harms of Immigration

1. Americans lose jobs. (especially Whites due to affirmative action).

2. Wage reduction.

3. Tax $ lost (due to off books work + lower wages paid).

4. Remittance $$$ lost. ($170 Billion year).

5. Tax $$ lost to immigrants on welfare.

6. Increased crime.

7. Increased traffic congestion.

8. Increased pollution.

9. Overcrowding in hospital ERs.

10. Overcrowding in recreational facilities.

11. Overcrowding in government offices.

12. Overcrowding in schools.

13. Decrease in funds available for entitlements.

14. Cultural erosion.

15. Overuse of scarce resources (oil, gasoline, fresh water, jobs, electricity, food, etc)

16. Introduction of foreign diseases.

And there has been no proof to show that this latest, massive illegal invasion is, in any way, a "humanitarian crisis". It is a crisis for the American people. We do know THAT. The lowest of criminals hide behind children. That's what this xenophile pity party is all about.

[countryboy]

Are you talking out of a weird dream ? The border is in a state of massive crisis, and you say "Boarder Security is now better than it's ever been in the history of the US" Pheeew! Man, you can't even spell the word "border", let alone come close to making an assessment. Border security is in a state of CHAOS, and WORSE than it's ever been, AND YOU KNOW IT, Mr. false prophet.

You are the smoke screener. These migrants are NOT REFUGEES. They are not being kidnapped. They're not "victims" of "trafficking". They are people who are willingingly coming here. When motive-questioned by border patrol agents in 3 different states, 95% all have been saying the same thing. They came because they want to live here and be legalized, just like the Dream Act kids.

As for Obama, the only thing he has "called", is tens of thousands of Central Americans to trek up here, and illegally cross into the United States, by having amnestied the Dreamer kids.


He is actually right.....er.....correct. Boarder security is better than ever. But border security sucks eggs.

[Mainecoons]

Well, according to Border Patrol guys on the scene, Obama has turned most of them into Boarder Patrolers.

Who would have thought that Obama would succeed in making Zelmo's frequent misspelling of "border" into something a great deal more relevant.

:grin:

[protectionist]

So, to sum it all up, what you're saying is that WE'RE BEING INVADED!!! BY CHILDREN AND SINGLE MOMS!!! ...? :wink:

Among others, yeah. Absolutely. You didn't know ?

[protectionist]

He is actually right.....er.....correct. Boarder security is better than ever. But border security sucks eggs.

HA HA. Very cool observation. You get an A+ on that one. I recall Teddy Roosevelt being the one who cautioned us against allowing ourselves to become:"a polyglot boarding house for the world, a tangle of squabbling minorities"

[1751_Texan]

We conservatives have been saying for years, that if you give amnesty to illegal aliens, you will be opening the floodgates for huge numbers more to come flocking in.

Obama gave the dreamers amnesty, opened the floodgates, and now we have a tsunami of illegal aliens pouring in.

We have consistently said it would happen. IT'S HAPPENING.

But the craziest part of it is that Obama, even while witnessing this crisis, is making it far worse , by talking about"comprehensive immigration reform" (ie. AMNESTY), thereby encouraging still more migrants to come here, and escalate the crisis. I think the Dems are just immigrant crazy, and they want as many as they can get, seeing them as VOTES for upcoming elections.

absolutely none of the current illegal aliens apprehended would qualify for Obama's deferment of deportation of "dreamers".

All indication from all those involved with managing this influx say the people are seeking asylum...not to participate in the dream act.


Individuals who request deferred action must have:

Been under the age of 31 on June 15, 2012
Arrived to the United States before reaching their 16th birthday
Continuously resided in the United States from June 15, 2007 (last five years) to the present
Been physically present in the United States on June 15, 2012, as well as at the time of requesting deferred action from USCIS;
Entered without inspection before June 15, 2012, or had any lawful immigration status expired on or before June 15, 2012
Been in school at the time of application, or have already graduated or obtained a certificate of completion from high school, or have obtained a general education development (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/GED) (GED) certificate, or are an honorably discharged veteran of the U.S. Coast Guard (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/U.S._Coast_Guard) or the U.S. Armed Forces (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/U.S._Armed_Forces)
Not been convicted of a felony (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Felony), significant misdemeanor (http://thepoliticalforums.com/wiki/Misdemeanor), or three or more other misdemeanors, and do not otherwise pose a threat to national security or public safety



as per usual...you are wrong and way off base.

[protectionist]

absolutely none of the current illegal aliens apprehended would qualify for Obama's deferment of deportation of "dreamers".

All indication from all those involved with managing this influx say the people are seeking asylum...not to participate in the dream act.

as per usual...you are wrong and way off base.

I think the truth is exactly the opposite of what you said. As usual, I am right, and as usual, I see you making wild claims with no link to any source or substantiation to your claims. Well, if you can get away with it so can I. According to 3 cable news networks, border patrol agents in 4 states claim that 95% of the new migrants are saying their motive for their migration is to live in the US, and be legalized, like the dreamer kids. Whether they would qualify like dreamers doesn't have a single thing to do with it. Nobody say they would or could. They just happen to be inspired by the dreamers getting legalization, and apparently they think they can too (in whatever specific way).

"All indication from all those involved with managing this influx say the people are seeking asylum" ???

FALSE! That is NOT what they are saying at all. But if you want to buy into the becoming rather popular "refugee rider" SCAM, you can do that. Unlike you, I will present a source link at the end of this post.

A 2013 survey by the United Nations High Commission of Refugees (http://www.unhcrwashington.org/sites/default/files/1_UAC_Children%20on%20the%20Run_Full%20Report.pdf) of 404 minors from Central America and Mexico found nearly half of the children were fleeing violence, gangs and cartels.

Nearly half ? That means MOST (more than half) are NOT saying they were fleeing violence, gangs and cartels. So even the group that is pushing the "refugee" angle on this, harder than anyone else, themselves admit that asylum seekers are a minority among the migrants.

http://www.dailynews.com/opinion/20140619/us-drug-trade-helps-drive-central-american-child-migrants-north-editorial

[Mainecoons]

Not to mention the statistical validity of a survey of 404 people who obviously want to put the best possible face on their actions by claiming they are refugees.

[protectionist]

Not to mention the statistical validity of a survey of 404 people who obviously want to put the best possible face on their actions by claiming they are refugees.

Good point. The CA kids probably think that the UN High Commission of Refugees could help them get into the US, and get legalized (IF they claim to be refugees) They're smart enough to not look a gift horse in the mouth.