American Culture verse non-American cultures

[Libhater]

The reward of an accessible and inclusive society is, to the American people, an immeasurable advantage to both innovation and national disposition since Americans understand that if nothing is ventured, nothing is gained. It's no sin to be born in the gutter. But it's a terrible sin to want to stay there.

Americans are often astounded to learn that even in the countries of their English-speaking cousins, the citizen who has distinguishing talents or achievements, perceived or genuine, is resented, criticized, and targeted (similar to leftists here in America). Prosperity should never be punished. The non-American culture is unforgiving and critical to the successful individual, designed to eliminate confidence and superiority. It is hostile to anyone with initiative, self-esteem, and the ability to make money. To display individuality, not to conform, to make your own rules, leads to a lack of recognition at best, or a steady personal and media assault at worst. In this sense, these cultures are profoundly leftist. It is true that the Left love trashing individual achievement, as it threatens their vision. Americans who visit other Western counties are appalled at how britally unkind these cultures are to their public figures, and how hateful they are to anyone with a degree of success, perceived or otherwise.

Non-American cultures desire a level society. The statist detests personal success and hates it to be rewarded. These circumstances create mediocrity and failure, and offer no incentive for achievement, inspiration, or opportunity. In these societies, success becomes a matter of personal shame.

This is the opposite of how America treats the high achievers. In America, envy is replaced with deep admiration, respect, and personal ambition. The greatest love of the American is the winner, a sign of success.


The American Boomerang, by the Aussie Tocheville of our day.....Nick Adams

[Common Sense]

That's a load. Success is sought after and celebrated in all the English speaking world. Just as it is in the rest of Europe.

I do find this portion amusing..."Americans who visit other Western counties are appalled at how britally unkind these cultures are to their public figures, and how hateful they are to anyone with a degree of success, perceived or otherwise."

[Captain Obvious]

We have very little culture.

Sprawl, homoeconomicus, fracking traffic, McDiets, Hummers, Walmart and IPads - not culture.

[Libhater]

That's a load. Success is sought after and celebrated in all the English speaking world. Just as it is in the rest of Europe.

Please point to one example of a nation who has either had success or celebrates the success of a socialist run economy/government?


I do find this portion amusing..."Americans who visit other Western counties are appalled at how britally unkind these cultures are to their public figures, and how hateful they are to anyone with a degree of success, perceived or otherwise."

No surprise there, a leftist who muses over hating individual success stories.

[Common Sense]

Please point to one example of a nation who has either had success or celebrates the success of a socialist run economy/government?



No surprise there, a leftist who muses over hating individual success stories.

The piece is about individual success. So I don't understand your first question.

I found the quote funny because, well it's obvious. If you can't see it, that's your fault.

I celebrate success of individuals...I'm in the midst of being one. I love seeing rags to riches stories...as do most people.

[Libhater]

We have very little culture.

Sprawl, homoeconomicus, fracking traffic, McDiets, Hummers, Walmart and IPads - not culture.

To me culture is derived from the aspirations and achievements of the individual. So in returning this back to the OP for a moment, our culture in all of its glorious manner does come from the individuality of its citizens.

[Captain Obvious]

To me culture is derived from the aspirations and achievements of the individual. So in returning this back to the OP for a moment, our culture in all of its glorious manner does come from the individuality of its citizens.

That's not culture, thanks for playing though.

[Libhater]

The piece is about individual success. So I don't understand your first question.

I found the quote funny because, well it's obvious. If you can't see it, that's your fault.

I celebrate success of individuals...I'm in the midst of being one. I love seeing rags to riches stories...as do most people.


Socialism is not run by anyone or anything that involves individual success, in fact, they frown upon it as noted in the OP. Socialism is group play involving a centralized government to call all the shots. The OP defines American exceptionalism by the deeds and aspirations of individuals as opposed to the non-Americans brutal take on those who have succeeded. Now if you were being sarcastic about finding the non-Americans hate for the successful as being funny, then I apologize for not reading you correctly.

[Libhater]

That's not culture, thanks for playing though.

Now its your turn to play:

Do give us your personal description of culture.

[Captain Obvious]

Now its your turn to play:

Do give us your personal description of culture.

No, but thanks for asking though.

[Libhater]

No, but thanks for asking though.

Thanks for that empty suit response.

[Common Sense]

Socialism is not run by anyone or anything that involves individual success, in fact, they frown upon it as noted in the OP. Socialism is group play involving a centralized government to call all the shots. The OP defines American exceptionalism by the deeds and aspirations of individuals as opposed to the non-Americans brutal take on those who have succeeded. Now if you were being sarcastic about finding the non-Americans hate for the successful as being funny, then I apologize for not reading you correctly.

I wasn't being sarcastic. Let's take Canada as an example of what you would call a socialist country. We aren't nearly as polarized as our American cousins, nor do we demonize our politicians they way some do around here and in America in general (except maybe Rob Ford...but he deserves it). In Canada we also applaud success and rags to riches stories are celebrated. My city is chalk full of millionaires. They aren't demonized.

[Libhater]

I wasn't being sarcastic. Let's take Canada as an example of what you would call a socialist country. We aren't nearly as polarized as our American cousins, nor do we demonize our politicians they way some do around here and in America in general (except maybe Rob Ford...but he deserves it). In Canada we also applaud success and rags to riches stories are celebrated. My city is chalk full of millionaires. They aren't demonized.

To be honest with you I don't even know if your current prime minister is a Conservative or a liberal. It could be that Canada is the exception to the rule in that your people don't necessarily criticize successful people, however, you do still have socialized medicine, doncha?

[Common Sense]

To be honest with you I don't even know if your current prime minister is a Conservative or a liberal. It could be that Canada is the exception to the rule in that your people don't necessarily criticize successful people, however, you do still have socialized medicine, doncha?

So you base your opinions on nothing? What, a gut feeling? You seem to have very strong feelings about things you know nothing about.

How about the UK, do you know anything about them?

[Mainecoons]

Canada is hardly socialist. They have much better business tax treatment than the U.S. but then most of the rest of the world does these days. They do have single payer based at the province level with varying degrees of success depending on locality. It's a small, much more homogeneous population than the U.S. They spend half their lives huddled next to heaters. :)

Being a Canadian is very poor preparation for being a self declared expert on the U.S. Too bad some of them don't realize it.

[Captain Obvious]

Thanks for that empty suit response.

My pleasure!

[Common Sense]

Canada is hardly socialist. They have much better business tax treatment than the U.S. but then most of the rest of the world does these days. They do have single payer based at the province level with varying degrees of success depending on locality. It's a small, much more homogeneous population than the U.S. They spend half their lives huddled next to heaters. :)

Being a Canadian is very poor preparation for being a self declared expert on the U.S. Too bad some of them don't realize it.

LOL...when have I declared to be an expert?

It's true though, our corporate tax rates are much lower. Our income tax rates and sales tax rates are much higher. Our population outside of cities is fairly homogenous, but our cities are not. Toronto is the most multi cultural city in the world. Our cultures are quite similar. Most Americans I meet think I'm from NY or LA... There's more of a cultural difference between people living in major cities in the US and those living in rural areas.

But I get it...you despise me, so you feel the need to demonize me because of my political views. It's petty, but expected. Carry on...

[Mainecoons]

Sorry, you aren't worth despising for me. I reserve that for American ObamaDrones. You're just a foreign pest who has an opinion on everything American, almost always wrong.

Life must really be boring in Canada. And comparing Toronto to crap holes like NYC and LA is really funny. :grin:

[Libhater]

So you base your opinions on nothing? What, a gut feeling? You seem to have very strong feelings about things you know nothing about.

How about the UK, do you know anything about them?

What are you going on about? I base my opinions on what I know, and that the OP was referring to socialist based nations such as England as being a people who rail against success. Mainecoons just came on here and said that Canada is hardly socialist. Probably the reason that I and or the author of my OP didn't specifically mention Canada as being one of those leftist nations that have a problem with individual success stories.

[Common Sense]

Sorry, you aren't worth despising for me. I reserve that for American ObamaDrones. You're just a foreign pest who has an opinion on everything American, almost always wrong.

Life must really be boring in Canada. And comparing Toronto to crap holes like NYC and LA is really funny. :grin:

Crap holes? NYC is a huge driving force in your economy. It's very telling though...your and others demonization of urbanites.

I have opinions, you have opinions...it's just the internet. You clearly do despise me...I don't really care. I just find your vitriol and hysteria funny. This is all just infotainment.

[Common Sense]

What are you going on about? I base my opinions on what I know, and that the OP was referring to socialist based nations such as England as being a people who rail against success. Mainecoons just came on here and said that Canada is hardly socialist. Probably the reason that I and or the author of my OP didn't specifically mention Canada as being one of those leftist nations that have a problem with individual success stories.

It's just as "socialist" as England...The UK also celebrates success. England is also full of very successful people. London is a city all about money. There are huge number of millionaires there. For a place so obsessed with consumption, fame and money...it's weird that anyone would claim they don't admire success.

I think the OP snippet is complaining about some fictional place that exists in the minds of some on the right. This mythical place full of socialist who hate the rich and demonize success.

[donttread]

The reward of an accessible and inclusive society is, to the American people, an immeasurable advantage to both innovation and national disposition since Americans understand that if nothing is ventured, nothing is gained. It's no sin to be born in the gutter. But it's a terrible sin to want to stay there.

Americans are often astounded to learn that even in the countries of their English-speaking cousins, the citizen who has distinguishing talents or achievements, perceived or genuine, is resented, criticized, and targeted (similar to leftists here in America). Prosperity should never be punished. The non-American culture is unforgiving and critical to the successful individual, designed to eliminate confidence and superiority. It is hostile to anyone with initiative, self-esteem, and the ability to make money. To display individuality, not to conform, to make your own rules, leads to a lack of recognition at best, or a steady personal and media assault at worst. In this sense, these cultures are profoundly leftist. It is true that the Left love trashing individual achievement, as it threatens their vision. Americans who visit other Western counties are appalled at how britally unkind these cultures are to their public figures, and how hateful they are to anyone with a degree of success, perceived or otherwise.

Non-American cultures desire a level society. The statist detests personal success and hates it to be rewarded. These circumstances create mediocrity and failure, and offer no incentive for achievement, inspiration, or opportunity. In these societies, success becomes a matter of personal shame.

This is the opposite of how America treats the high achievers. In America, envy is replaced with deep admiration, respect, and personal ambition. The greatest love of the American is the winner, a sign of success.


The American Boomerang, by the Aussie Tocheville of our day.....Nick Adams

Where did you get this? Other societies have perks for high achievers as well. As they should to a point, the problem here is that the table has become way too tilted. A country that once produced Thomas Edison now produces Paris Hilton

[Mainecoons]

Crap holes? NYC is a huge driving force in your economy. It's very telling though...your and others demonization of urbanites.

I have opinions, you have opinions...it's just the internet. You clearly do despise me...I don't really care. I just find your vitriol and hysteria funny. This is all just infotainment.

What I can't figure out is how a Canadian who claims to be building a successful business has time to sit on a foreign chat board during working hours.

And if you think NYC compares to Toronto, you're just showing us how little first hand experience you have about the country that you have the temerity to criticize and advocate leftist solutions that your own country in its "common sense" wants no part of.

Most of NYC and LA are decaying slums, genius. Take a trip to both and look around. Hint: Manhattan isn't NYC and Disneyland isn't LA.

Both cities are Detroits in the making. NYC as a financial center is rapidly being upstaged by London and when the latest Federal Reserve bubble pops, they are going to be in deep shit. As for LA, most of it resembles south and east Guadalajara these days.

You must be a government contractor. Your grasp of reality rivals that of Cigar.

:rofl:

[Common Sense]

What I can't figure out is how a Canadian who claims to be building a successful business has time to sit on a foreign chat board during working hours.

And if you think NYC compares to Toronto, you're just showing us how little first hand experience you have about the country that you have the temerity to criticize and advocate leftist solutions that your own country in its "common sense" wants no part of.

Most of NYC and LA are decaying slums, genius. Take a trip there and look around. Both are Detroit in the making. NYC as a financial center is rapidly being upstaged by London and when the latest Federal Reserve bubble pops, they are going to be in deep shit. As for LA, most of it resembles south and east Guadalajara these days.

I'm lucky...I have great staff and devoted wife. I can afford to take some time to entertain myself. I find this place funny and I have actual great debates with some of the more sane and human posters. I worked very hard to build the business to the point it's at now. It's just around the corner from my house...the sales staff don't need me there.

I've been to NYC what, 30 times in my life. Spent weeks there at a time. Been to all the boroughs. It's not as bad as you make it seem. Brooklyn is in a renaissance period. I was just in NYC a few weeks ago. We had a great time in Fort Green.

I haven't spent that kind of time in LA...but from the half dozen friends I have that moved there from here (film industry), they seem to have no issue with it. Are you sure you just don't like cities in general?

What solutions are you speaking of? Can you name things I've said you should do that Canada wouldn't be willing to do?

[Mainecoons]

Once again: The U.S. isn't Canada. Let us know when you figure that out.

[Common Sense]

Once again: The U.S. isn't Canada. Let us know when you figure that out.

Did I ever say it was?

So you can't name these things you accuse me of saying? Just saying Canada over and over again isn't exactly proving anything.

[Captain Obvious]

Once again: The U.S. isn't Canada. Let us know when you figure that out.

Or Belgium. or Sweden, or Cuba...

One of the most dangerous thought processes (maybe not dangerous, irresponsible maybe) is just assuming that concepts like health care, socialism, etc. are cookie cutter and you can just substitute one society for another society and get the same result.

I just want to choke the fucking sense into some people sometimes.

[Peter1469]

Sadly a lot of that has spread to Europe and Asia.


We have very little culture.

Sprawl, homoeconomicus, fracking traffic, McDiets, Hummers, Walmart and IPads - not culture.

[The Sage of Main Street]

The reward of an accessible and inclusive society is, to the American people, an immeasurable advantage to both innovation and national disposition since Americans understand that if nothing is ventured, nothing is gained. It's no sin to be born in the gutter. But it's a terrible sin to want to stay there.

Americans are often astounded to learn that even in the countries of their English-speaking cousins, the citizen who has distinguishing talents or achievements, perceived or genuine, is resented, criticized, and targeted (similar to leftists here in America). Prosperity should never be punished. The non-American culture is unforgiving and critical to the successful individual, designed to eliminate confidence and superiority. It is hostile to anyone with initiative, self-esteem, and the ability to make money. To display individuality, not to conform, to make your own rules, leads to a lack of recognition at best, or a steady personal and media assault at worst. In this sense, these cultures are profoundly leftist. It is true that the Left love trashing individual achievement, as it threatens their vision. Americans who visit other Western counties are appalled at how britally unkind these cultures are to their public figures, and how hateful they are to anyone with a degree of success, perceived or otherwise.

Non-American cultures desire a level society. The statist detests personal success and hates it to be rewarded. These circumstances create mediocrity and failure, and offer no incentive for achievement, inspiration, or opportunity. In these societies, success becomes a matter of personal shame.

This is the opposite of how America treats the high achievers. In America, envy is replaced with deep admiration, respect, and personal ambition. The greatest love of the American is the winner, a sign of success.


The American Boomerang, by the Aussie Tocheville of our day.....Nick Adams A rugged individualist gets ahead by running everybody else ragged.

[The Sage of Main Street]

To me culture is derived from the aspirations and achievements of the individual. So in returning this back to the OP for a moment, our culture in all of its glorious manner does come from the individuality of its citizens. Anal-retentive bootlicking conformists are the only ones welcomed by the economic bullies. By sacrificing their self-respect in their childish worship of economic father-figures, they eventually get promoted to positions where they can hold the whip over non-conformists who refuse to humiliate themselves to get ahead.

[del]

What I can't figure out is how a Canadian who claims to be building a successful business has time to sit on a foreign chat board during working hours.

And if you think NYC compares to Toronto, you're just showing us how little first hand experience you have about the country that you have the temerity to criticize and advocate leftist solutions that your own country in its "common sense" wants no part of.

Most of NYC and LA are decaying slums, genius. Take a trip to both and look around. Hint: Manhattan isn't NYC and Disneyland isn't LA.

Both cities are Detroits in the making. NYC as a financial center is rapidly being upstaged by London and when the latest Federal Reserve bubble pops, they are going to be in deep shit. As for LA, most of it resembles south and east Guadalajara these days.

You must be a government contractor. Your grasp of reality rivals that of Cigar.

:rofl:

have you ever actually been to nyc?

i mean within the past, say, thirty years?