View Full Version : Police: Fla. father beats accused child abuser
Mr. Mensch
07-18-2014, 04:54 PM
DAYTONA BEACH, Fla. (AP) — A Daytona Beach father beat an 18-year-old man unconscious after finding him sexually abusing his 11-year-old son early Friday morning, police said.
The father called 911 around 1 a.m. after he walked in on the alleged abuse, police said. When officers arrived, they found Raymond Frolander motionless on the living room floor. He had several knots on his face and was bleeding from the mouth.
"He is nice and knocked out on the floor for you," the father told the 911 dispatcher. "I drug him out to the living room."
The Daytona Beac
h News-Journal (http://bit.ly/1tZV6o9 ) reports that the father — who was not identified by police — told investigators he walked in as Frolander was abusing the boy.
When asked by the 911 dispatcher if any weapons were involved, the father said "my foot and my fist."
The father has not been charged with any crime.
"Dad was acting like a dad. I don't see anything we should charge the dad with," Daytona Beach Police Chief Mike Chitwood said. "You have an 18-year-old who has clearly picked his target, groomed his target and had sex with the victim multiple times."
http://news.yahoo.com/police-fla-father-beats-accused-child-abuser-193806138.html
Hell, yeah. That is what should be done with all child molesters. Good for the father. Give that guy a medal.
TheInternet
07-18-2014, 04:56 PM
He should have finished the job.
Not finding any problem here.
sachem
07-18-2014, 05:04 PM
Certainly understandable.
Common Sense
07-18-2014, 05:05 PM
Can't blame him...
Mr. Mensch
07-18-2014, 05:05 PM
I bet this guys mug shot won't get him any modeling gigs.
http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/gMnh8xHXvdgKOyfMWd8wqw--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9ZmlsbDtoPTEyNTA7cHlvZmY9MDtxPT c1O3c9OTYw/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/ap_webfeeds/5e05eb1309bd421c5a0f6a706700ad18.jpg
Common Sense
07-18-2014, 05:08 PM
Lol...
The Xl
07-18-2014, 05:18 PM
No issue here.
Blackrook
07-18-2014, 07:24 PM
The molester can still sue the father for battery, so it's not over yet.
Mr. Mensch
07-18-2014, 07:35 PM
The molester can still sue the father for battery, so it's not over yet.
Any judge that would allow that lawsuit should have THEIR ass kicked.
Private Pickle
07-18-2014, 07:44 PM
He got a knuckling! I would have dug a hole though...
ChoppedLiver
07-18-2014, 09:35 PM
http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/gMnh8xHXvdgKOyfMWd8wqw--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9ZmlsbDtoPTEyNTA7cHlvZmY9MDtxPT c1O3c9OTYw/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/ap_webfeeds/5e05eb1309bd421c5a0f6a706700ad18.jpg
WOW! That's the worst case of attempted suicide I have ever seen!
:cool:
Redrose
07-18-2014, 10:05 PM
I bet this guys mug shot won't get him any modeling gigs.
http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/gMnh8xHXvdgKOyfMWd8wqw--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9ZmlsbDtoPTEyNTA7cHlvZmY9MDtxPT c1O3c9OTYw/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/ap_webfeeds/5e05eb1309bd421c5a0f6a706700ad18.jpg
He could have been Obama's son...
Mr. Mensch
07-19-2014, 09:26 AM
WOW! That's the worst case of attempted suicide I have ever seen!
:cool:
Officer, he kept hitting his head on my hands and feet!
Mr. Right
07-19-2014, 09:33 AM
This moron is going to have lots of what it likes in the University. Bubba's getting a new wife.
Adelaide
07-19-2014, 10:36 AM
I don't think it's a good idea to champion someone taking justice into their own hands. I could understand if he subdued the guy to wait for police, but beating him stupid(er) is what the justice system is for. Of course, that system is deeply flawed and he'd probably get more prison time if he stole a car or something.
GrassrootsConservative
07-19-2014, 10:42 AM
I don't think it's a good idea to champion someone taking justice into their own hands. I could understand if he subdued the guy to wait for police, but beating him stupid(er) is what the justice system is for. Of course, that system is deeply flawed and he'd probably get more prison time if he stole a car or something.
Wait you acknowledge that the system doesn't work, but still think he should leave it up to them?
No wonder my world-class debating doesn't get anywhere. You people can't see this shit when it's staring you right in the face.
TheInternet
07-19-2014, 10:42 AM
I don't think it's a good idea to champion someone taking justice into their own hands. I could understand if he subdued the guy to wait for police, but beating him stupid(er) is what the justice system is for. Of course, that system is deeply flawed and he'd probably get more prison time if he stole a car or something.
Fail.
GrassrootsConservative
07-19-2014, 10:43 AM
Insanity is trying the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Adelaide
07-19-2014, 10:49 AM
Wait you acknowledge that the system doesn't work, but still think he should leave it up to them?
No wonder my world-class debating doesn't get anywhere. You people can't see this shit when it's staring you right in the face.
It's the reason we should be discussing stricter sentencing guidelines for sex-related crimes instead of cheering on vigilantism.
texan
07-19-2014, 10:50 AM
If true well then I call him a name. Just not gonna say what it is at this time. I might f bomb him but I am too classy.
GrassrootsConservative
07-19-2014, 10:54 AM
It's the reason we should be discussing stricter sentencing guidelines for sex-related crimes instead of cheering on vigilantism.
Anyone with an ounce of humanity would have done the same thing to the guy, you just don't let people do that to a CHILD. If I had caught him there would be no story here, only another missing person report. I give props to the father for holding back as much as he did.
/Edit: And I'm not even really that fond of kids. They make me feel awkward when I'm around them.
TheInternet
07-19-2014, 10:55 AM
It's the reason we should be discussing stricter sentencing guidelines for sex-related crimes instead of cheering on vigilantism.
No one is arguing with you over stricter sentencing.
What we have issue with is that spineless liberals like yourself would politely restrain the gentleman while waiting for the friendly government thug to show up, and advocate that others do the same. If the site of your 11 year old child being raped wouldn't enrage you enough to take matters into your own hands, you probably have no business having children.
Dude should be thanking a higher power that he's alive.
GrassrootsConservative
07-19-2014, 10:58 AM
I'd say from what I know about people so far the only thing we know that works IS vigilantes like this dude. The system doesn't work well, but if rapists who prey on vulnerable and helpless people start fearing "accidents" like this, they'd be stupid to keep trying.
/Edit: I'd be willing to bet this guy doesn't ever make this mistake again, at least. The father should be given a medal.
Adelaide
07-19-2014, 11:06 AM
Anyone with an ounce of humanity would have done the same thing to the guy, you just don't let people do that to a CHILD. If I had caught him there would be no story here, only another missing person report. I give props to the father for holding back as much as he did.
/Edit: And I'm not even really that fond of kids. They make me feel awkward when I'm around them.
I too can understand why the father did what he did, but I'm not going to say it's alright to circumvent the justice/correctional system and take the law into your own hands. I won't capitulate on this. What if the abuser hadn't actually been doing anything wrong and the father misjudged the situation? Doesn't sound like it in this case, but what if? That child's father would be imprisoned. Even still with the situation, police would be within their rights to arrest/charge him. Two wrongs don't make a right.
Mr. Mensch
07-19-2014, 11:10 AM
I don't think it's a good idea to champion someone taking justice into their own hands. I could understand if he subdued the guy to wait for police, but beating him stupid(er) is what the justice system is for. Of course, that system is deeply flawed and he'd probably get more prison time if he stole a car or something.
So if you walked in on someone molesting one of your family members, you would simply subdue him for police? You must have a lot of self control. Personally, I wouldn't have stopped punching this worthless piece of shit until he was dead. That is what sickos deserve.
There is the law and their is what is right.
ChoppedLiver
07-19-2014, 11:28 AM
I too can understand why the father did what he did, but I'm not going to say it's alright to circumvent the justice/correctional system and take the law into your own hands. I won't capitulate on this. What if the abuser hadn't actually been doing anything wrong and the father misjudged the situation? Doesn't sound like it in this case, but what if? That child's father would be imprisoned. Even still with the situation, police would be within their rights to arrest/charge him. Two wrongs don't make a right.
That's another part of the problem. Liberals ALWAYS taking the side of the criminal and ALWAYS giving the criminals the benefit of some, so-called, doubt.
:cool:
GrassrootsConservative
07-19-2014, 11:31 AM
I too can understand why the father did what he did, but I'm not going to say it's alright to circumvent the justice/correctional system and take the law into your own hands. I won't capitulate on this. What if the abuser hadn't actually been doing anything wrong and the father misjudged the situation? Doesn't sound like it in this case, but what if? That child's father would be imprisoned. Even still with the situation, police would be within their rights to arrest/charge him. Two wrongs don't make a right.
Right, but in this case the guy was caught red-handed. That's what I'm talking about. In other cases, you're right, but when the guy is clearly caught? Kick his fucking ass.
Mr. Mensch
07-19-2014, 12:26 PM
Right, but in this case the guy was caught red-handed. That's what I'm talking about. In other cases, you're right, but when the guy is clearly caught? Kick his fucking ass.
You know what liberals call scum like this caught in the act? "Alleged" sexual offenders.
Our criminal justice system is a mess due to the actions of liberals who prefer to give more rights to criminals than to victims. All it takes is one crafty defense lawyer to find a T not crossed or an I not dotted and they can get their clients off.
Rebel Son
07-19-2014, 12:36 PM
It's the reason we should be discussing stricter sentencing guidelines for sex-related crimes instead of cheering on vigilantism.
Molesters are protected in prison, unlike those they chose to prey upon. I have absolutely no sympathy for this person.
TheInternet
07-19-2014, 12:47 PM
I too can understand why the father did what he did, but I'm not going to say it's alright to circumvent the justice/correctional system and take the law into your own hands. I won't capitulate on this. What if the abuser hadn't actually been doing anything wrong and the father misjudged the situation? Doesn't sound like it in this case, but what if? That child's father would be imprisoned. Even still with the situation, police would be within their rights to arrest/charge him. Two wrongs don't make a right.
Normal people can figure out that when an 18 year old has hit junk inside of your 11 year old son, that there is something wrong going on. If you need the government to decide that for you, that's your problem.
Redrose
07-19-2014, 02:01 PM
Officer, he kept hitting his head on my hands and feet!
that's funny, people do say that stuff. I overheard (I was evesdropping) a defendant telling the Public Defender "I didn't hit her, her face hit my hand". Just a side note, he was a Muslim doctor, and his wife was very pregnant. That's a felony. He got probation and a withhold. She wanted to dress more westernized. That was her crime.
Matty
07-19-2014, 02:06 PM
It's the reason we should be discussing stricter sentencing guidelines for sex-related crimes instead of cheering on vigilantism.
Adrenalin is a powerful thing it is.
Redrose
07-19-2014, 02:07 PM
It's the reason we should be discussing stricter sentencing guidelines for sex-related crimes instead of cheering on vigilantism.
He didn't kill him, he just "stopped the threat" and he did it without a gun. The left should be thrilled with his actions.
Matty
07-19-2014, 02:12 PM
He didn't kill him, he just "stopped the threat" and he did it without a gun. The left should be thrilled with his actions.
The left would have removed the offending penis from the child's butt and dusted it with baby powder.
Redrose
07-19-2014, 02:35 PM
The left would have removed the offending penis from the child's butt and dusted it with baby powder.
.....or maybe condone it as two males expressing their sexuality, "finding" themselves as to their gender identification. Or some other whacked out liberal BS.
Mini Me
07-19-2014, 03:31 PM
That's another part of the problem. Liberals ALWAYS taking the side of the criminal and ALWAYS giving the criminals the benefit of some, so-called, doubt.
:cool:
Your jumping to a conclusion based upon ONE persons opinion!
Keep in mind, Adelaide is a woman, and as such, may not have the physical strength to beat up the scum as a man would have had.
ChoppedLiver
07-19-2014, 03:33 PM
Your jumping to a conclusion based upon ONE persons opinion!
Keep in mind, Adelaide is a woman, and as such, may not have the physical strength to beat up the scum as a man would have had.
I heard the same decerebrate opinion from more than just her. And have heard it for many decades from many, many people.
:cool:
Mini Me
07-19-2014, 03:35 PM
that's funny, people do say that stuff. I overheard (I was evesdropping) a defendant telling the Public Defender "I didn't hit her, her face hit my hand". Just a side note, he was a Muslim doctor, and his wife was very pregnant. That's a felony. He got probation and a withhold. She wanted to dress more westernized. That was her crime.
Shes lucky he didn't chop off her head or throw acid in her face!
Peter1469
07-19-2014, 03:46 PM
A father catching the perp in the act likely isn't thinking about societal good. I wouldn't.
I don't think it's a good idea to champion someone taking justice into their own hands. I could understand if he subdued the guy to wait for police, but beating him stupid(er) is what the justice system is for. Of course, that system is deeply flawed and he'd probably get more prison time if he stole a car or something.
Peter1469
07-19-2014, 03:48 PM
Fail.
I expect Addy is referring to our reaction to it. Not to the father's actions.
It is like when Israel destroyed Iraq's Osirak nuke reactor the nations of the world said "bad Israel" then called Israel up privately and said thanks.
Peter1469
07-19-2014, 03:51 PM
No one is arguing with you over stricter sentencing.
What we have issue with is that spineless liberals like yourself would politely restrain the gentleman while waiting for the friendly government thug to show up, and advocate that others do the same. If the site of your 11 year old child being raped wouldn't enrage you enough to take matters into your own hands, you probably have no business having children.
Dude should be thanking a higher power that he's alive.
Fail: she made it clear that she understood what the father did. Her issue with was the cheer-leading squad.
Peter1469
07-19-2014, 03:53 PM
That's another part of the problem. Liberals ALWAYS taking the side of the criminal and ALWAYS giving the criminals the benefit of some, so-called, doubt.
:cool:
Fail. She is attacking the cheer-leading.
Peter1469
07-19-2014, 03:54 PM
You know what liberals call scum like this caught in the act? "Alleged" sexual offenders.
Our criminal justice system is a mess due to the actions of liberals who prefer to give more rights to criminals than to victims. All it takes is one crafty defense lawyer to find a T not crossed or an I not dotted and they can get their clients off.
Our entire criminal system was designed to protect the rights of the accused. Victims rights is a modern thing.
TheInternet
07-19-2014, 04:05 PM
I don't think it's a good idea to champion someone taking justice into their own hands. I could understand if he subdued the guy to wait for police, but beating him stupid(er) is what the justice system is for. Of course, that system is deeply flawed and he'd probably get more prison time if he stole a car or something.
Fail: she made it clear that she understood what the father did. Her issue with was the cheer-leading squad.
Fail. Her issue is with the father's actions. Further, taking issue with the cheer-leading squad is indirectly taking issue with the actions of the father.
Oh, and your white-knighting? Fail.
Redrose
07-19-2014, 04:05 PM
Your jumping to a conclusion based upon ONE persons opinion!
Keep in mind, Adelaide is a woman, and as such, may not have the physical strength to beat up the scum as a man would have had.
When I was 29, my 3 1/2 year old daughter was sitting on the lawn in front of our house with me, I was in a lawn chair. Young boys were playing in the street throwing a football. She threw her Barbie Doll in the street just as a car was driving by and it hit the wheel. We rarely saw a car drive by. The driver, a big man, jumped out grabbed my daughter by her arm dangling off the ground her while smacking across the lower back with force. I just remember getting up from the chair, my next memory was being pull off of his back by neighbors. Apparently, I jumped on his back and dug my long, real nails and fingers in his eyes and face. I wanted to kill him it seems. He was 6 ft, well over 220lbs. I was 5'2" 115 lbs. my daughter was 30 lbs. Don't underestimate what a woman is capable of, especially a mother.
PolWatch
07-19-2014, 04:05 PM
Based on the facts as presented in the story, I would have probably done the same thing...the problem arises if/when more information proves to be out there. Think of the Bundy situation...once more info was revealed about that guy, most of his 'supporters' seemed to just melt.
Before anyone cheers this guy for his actions, think about how you will view the situation if new facts emerge that paint the father as not the most shining example of fatherhood. What if the father had been a participant in the past? What if the father was angry because payment had not been made? Since its happened before, where was the father then?
There is no information to suggest that the situation is anything but what we were told, but how do we know without further investigation? There is justice and then there is revenge. Our system is sometimes flawed but it does exist for a reason.
Peter1469
07-19-2014, 04:14 PM
You selectively bolded the paragraph. What about the first sentence.
Pointing out that somebody is acting like a dick is not white-knighting. I would defend you in the reverse. Would that be paisley-knighting? :shocked:
A couple of you decided to attack her, rather than her position. I just pointed it out. :smiley:
Fail. Her issue is with the father's actions. Further, taking issue with the cheer-leading squad is indirectly taking issue with the actions of the father.
Oh, and your white-knighting? Fail.
TheInternet
07-19-2014, 04:19 PM
Fail: she made it clear that she understood what the father did. Her issue with was the cheer-leading squad.
You selectively bolded the paragraph. What about the first sentence.
Pointing out that somebody is acting like a dick is not white-knighting. A couple of you decided to attack her, rather than her position. I just pointed it out. :smiley:
You said her issue was only with the cheer-leading squad. I selectively bolded the part you failed to read. Maybe try reading her posts before running to her rescue and making yourself look like an idiot.
Matty
07-19-2014, 04:22 PM
You selectively bolded the paragraph. What about the first sentence.
Pointing out that somebody is acting like a dick is not white-knighting. I would defend you in the reverse. Would that be paisley-knighting? :shocked:
A couple of you decided to attack her, rather than her position. I just pointed it out. :smiley:
I don't think she was attacked. Just disagreed with.
Peter1469
07-19-2014, 04:23 PM
You took the thread idiot award when you unjustly attacked her rather than her opinion.
Congratulations. I will beat you neat time, damn it! :shocked:
You said her issue was only with the cheer-leading squad. I selectively bolded the part you failed to read. Maybe try reading her posts before running to her rescue and making yourself look like an idiot.
Peter1469
07-19-2014, 04:24 PM
This was one of the attacks:
http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by ChoppedLiver http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://thepoliticalforums.com/showthread.php?p=694095#post694095)
That's another part of the problem. Liberals ALWAYS taking the side of the criminal and ALWAYS giving the criminals the benefit of some, so-called, doubt.
:cool:
As an aside, when somebody says [group] always, that is a hint that someone is full of shit.
I don't think she was attacked. Just disagreed with.
Matty
07-19-2014, 04:29 PM
This was one of the attacks:
http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by ChoppedLiver http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://thepoliticalforums.com/showthread.php?p=694095#post694095)
That's another part of the problem. Liberals ALWAYS taking the side of the criminal and ALWAYS giving the criminals the benefit of some, so-called, doubt.
:cool:
As an aside, when somebody says [group] always, that is a hint that someone is full of shit.
Oh goodness. You call that an attack? He's talked way rougher to me and you never got upset about it. I guess I'm expected to have tougher skin huh?
Peter1469
07-19-2014, 04:31 PM
I am not acting as a mod in this instance. I have warned people in threads you were involved in. Probably TBs and infractions as well.
Oh goodness. You call that an attack? He's talked way rougher to me and you never got upset about it. I guess I'm expected to have tougher skin huh?
TheInternet
07-19-2014, 04:35 PM
You took the thread idiot award when you unjustly attacked her rather than her opinion.
Congratulations. I will beat you neat time, damn it! :shocked:
I called her a spineless lib, and said she shouldn't have kids if she would not take actions into her own hands if some man was fucking her kid in the ass. I also attacked her position.
I think the idiot award goes to the dude saying "you attacked her, DICK".
You misread her statements, falsely accused me of only attacking her, and called me a dick. If you are going to initiate petty pissing contests, at least don't do the exact thing that you are whining about. Or, keep it up. You're amusing.
Peter1469
07-19-2014, 04:39 PM
Hence the dick comment.
Carry on.
I called her a spineless lib, and said she shouldn't have kids if she would not take actions into her own hands if some man was fucking her kid in the ass. I also attacked her position.
I think the idiot award goes to the dude saying "you attacked her, DICK".
You misread her statements, falsely accused me of only attacking her, and called me a dick. If you are going to initiate petty pissing contests, at least don't do the exact thing that you are whining about. Or, keep it up. You're amusing.
TheInternet
07-19-2014, 04:41 PM
Hence the dick comment.
Carry on.
Your issue with me was that I attacked her and not her position. Then you did the exact same thing to me. Do you have to try to look this silly, or does it come naturally?
Rebel Son
07-19-2014, 04:48 PM
Your issue with me was that I attacked her and not her position. Then you did the exact same thing to me. Do you have to try to look this silly, or does it come naturally?
An attack on a person with nothing to do with their position will generally get you that response.
You whine for what reason?
TheInternet
07-19-2014, 04:53 PM
An attack on a person with nothing to do with their position will generally get you that response.
You whine for what reason?
My attacks did have something to do with the position. I'm simply pointing out the hypocrisy.
Rebel Son
07-19-2014, 04:58 PM
My attacks did have something to do with the position. I'm simply pointing out the hypocrisy.
You said you attacked the person and not the position.....You most likely got off light with only a response that you could answer.
BB-35
07-19-2014, 04:59 PM
All I know is if I caught a man doing that to MY kid,I'd kick him so hard in the nuts,he'd be able to suck a bowling ball through a garden hose.
Peter1469
07-19-2014, 05:02 PM
All I know is if I caught a man doing that to MY kid,I'd kick him so hard in the nuts,he'd be able to suck a bowling ball through a garden hose.
I would probably kill him and end up in jail. Unless I got a cool jury.
Rebel Son
07-19-2014, 05:03 PM
All I know is if I caught a man doing that to MY kid,I'd kick him so hard in the nuts,he'd be able to suck a bowling ball through a garden hose.
No, he would never be found. Not in my neck of the woods,
TheInternet
07-19-2014, 05:04 PM
I would probably kill him and end up in jail. Unless I got a cool jury.
Personally, even if the law had been completely broken, if I was on that jury, I'd not vote guilty. Sometimes it's justifiable to break laws.
Peter1469
07-19-2014, 05:15 PM
Personally, even if the law had been completely broken, if I was on that jury, I'd not vote guilty. Sometimes it's justifiable to break laws.
I agree with jury nullification. It is a powerful tool that citizens have over the government. But a judge will never tell you that.
BB-35
07-19-2014, 06:36 PM
No, he would never be found. Not in my neck of the woods,
Hey,I never said I wouldn't do MORE
The Xl
07-19-2014, 08:11 PM
I agree with jury nullification. It is a powerful tool that citizens have over the government. But a judge will never tell you that.
It's so powerful because the vast majority of the laws here are garbage.
I fully support what this father did, however our justice system only sees black and white and he will probably haves charges of assault brought upon him. He may get off with probation but all of this has cost attached to it.
Adelaide
07-19-2014, 11:04 PM
Fail. Her issue is with the father's actions. Further, taking issue with the cheer-leading squad is indirectly taking issue with the actions of the father.
Oh, and your white-knighting? Fail.
First, as I stated, I understand how and why this would be a parent's first reaction but I will not condone it and I do not think it's right for people to cheer him on for breaking the law and taking it into his own hands. I also pointed out how this could easily have been a misunderstanding, (though in this case that seems to not be the case), and the violence could result in serious charges and the child would likely lose his father to prison.
Redrose
07-20-2014, 01:19 AM
I agree with jury nullification. It is a powerful tool that citizens have over the government. But a judge will never tell you that.
I've clerked trials where we all knew the defendant was guilty, or at least should be found guilty with the evidence, but the jury returned an acquittal. The main reason given is they thought he was guilty, but felt the state did not prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. That is why many cases take so long to get to trial. It you rush it, try them and lose, you can't try them again, double jeopardy.
The reverse too, trials where we knew the def. was innocent, weak evidence, and the jury convicts. Now a judge can reverse a jury, but they almost never do, judges have report cards too. So cases like that go through the appellate system. That's terrible to witness.
I personally would never have a jury trial, I'd opt for a bench trial. At least the judge understands the law. Some jurors are pathetic. The attorneys try to pick the people who are not deep thinkers. Followers, not leaders.
Peter1469
07-20-2014, 08:08 AM
If a jury says the state didn't prove its case beyond a reasonable doubt, that is not jury nullification. The state has the burden to prove its case beyond a reasonable doubt.
Jury nullification is typically when the jury knows the defendant is guilty of the law; the jury does think the prosecution proved its case; but the jury thinks that the law is unjust. Or at least the way it is applied to this particular defendant.
I've clerked trials where we all knew the defendant was guilty, or at least should be found guilty with the evidence, but the jury returned an acquittal. The main reason given is they thought he was guilty, but felt the state did not prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. That is why many cases take so long to get to trial. It you rush it, try them and lose, you can't try them again, double jeopardy.
The reverse too, trials where we knew the def. was innocent, weak evidence, and the jury convicts. Now a judge can reverse a jury, but they almost never do, judges have report cards too. So cases like that go through the appellate system. That's terrible to witness.
I personally would never have a jury trial, I'd opt for a bench trial. At least the judge understands the law. Some jurors are pathetic. The attorneys try to pick the people who are not deep thinkers. Followers, not leaders.
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