100 Ways Mitt Romney [Was] Just Like Obama

[Green Arrow]

Via IVN (http://ivn.us/2012/07/17/100-ways-mitt-romney-is-just-like-barack-obama/):


The New York Times recently made a less than half-hearted attempt to summarize the similarities between President Barack Obama and presumptive Republican Party nominee, Mitt Romney. As New York Magazine reports, the Times wasn’t able to do much better than: They both like Star Trek, Modern Family, and Chicken. Here at IVN, I thought we could find just a few more similarities of just a little more substance.

The following list isn’t just a bunch of opinions, but documented facts that together draw a compelling picture: Far from being polar opposites, the two “choices” offered as presidential candidates by this country’s two main parties are nearly indistinguishable on the substantive public policy challenges Americans face. Using the New York Times piece as a starting point, here are 100 ways Mitt Romney is just like Barack Obama:


1. Star Trek


2. Modern Family


3. Chicken


4. The signature legislative accomplishment of the man that Republicans have chosen to repeal and replace “ObamaCare” was “RomneyCare,” which was the blueprint and model for The Affordable Care Act.


5. The most controversial aspect of “ObamaCare” for its critics, was the individual mandate. Mitt Romney, like Barack Obama, believes individual mandates can be a good ingredient of public policy.


6. Mitt Romney reminds critics that he believed “RomneyCare” was good for the state of Massachussetts, but shouldn’t be implemented nationwide, and that’s how he’s substantively different from Barack Obama. In 2007, however, Romney said: “I’m proud of what we’ve done. If Massachusetts succeeds in implementing it, then that will be a model for the nation,” suggesting that, like Obama, he is not opposed to federal mandates either– just controversial ones that his partisan opponents pass.


(Items 7 – 9) As Jon Stewart points out on The Daily Show, Mitt Romney’s proposed legislative replacement for “ObamaCare” would keep everything in it other than the individual mandate, according to Mitt Romney’s own words:


7. Like Obama and the Democrats provided for in the Affordable Care Act, Romney’s legislative alternative would make sure people who want to keep their current insurance can do so.


8. Like Barack Obama, Mitt Romney wants to expand federal spending on Medicaid to help each state cover residents who cannot afford health insurance.


9. Also like Obama, Romney’s “alternative” would make sure people with preexisting conditions will be covered.


10. Both Mitt Romney and Barack Obama flip flopped on whether “ObamaCare” is or is not a tax when it was politically suitable.

There's more. There's also a list of over 200 issues, but I haven't found the link to that yet.

[Libhater]

Thread fail, for obamacare is the only item in which leftists chose to link to Romeycare in which the two are diametrically opposed to one another as one is nationally run while the other is state run. Anything else you try to match to the two would be ridiculous as you are comparing apples to oranges or a failed CIC to a successful CEO or socialism to capitalism. Nice try though.

[darroll]

Romney care and Obama care=Tame ting.

[Matty]

Thread fail, for obamacare is the only item in which leftists chose to link to Romeycare in which the two are diametrically opposed to one another as one is nationally run while the other is state run. Anything else you try to match to the two would be ridiculous as you are comparing apples to oranges or socialism to capitalism. Nice try though.


Romneycare as they love to call it did not steal 750Billion dollars from Medicare. They always fail to mention that tidbit.

[Libhater]

Romneycare as they love to call it did not steal 750Billion dollars from Medicare. They always fail to mention that tidbit.

Ain't that the truth!

[zelmo1234]

On the economy, Romney was a different Egg. But on social policies he is very similar.

[Green Arrow]

On the economy, Romney was a different Egg. But on social policies he is very similar.

On the economy he was different...on paper. On domestic and foreign policy, and foreign policy ESPECIALLY, they were fucking clones.

[Peter1469]

Romney care and Obama care=Tame ting.If you are a student of the Constitution it isn't the same thing. Massachusetts is a state. States have very wide authority. The Federal government is bound by the Constitution.

It is called federalism.

[Mainecoons]

Exactly. If a few of these liberal land states want to enact stuff like this and run off their residents, under our Constitution they have the right to do so.

The oppressive, out of control U.S. Federal government has no right or business to be involved in this stuff and a whole lot more along with it.

[Green Arrow]

I guess I just disagree that the only problem with Obamacare is it is national instead of state. If Obamacare never happened and Obama (hypothetically) became governor of Tennessee (gods save us all...) and passed Obamacare for the state, I'd still oppose it. The fundamental issue with Obamacare isn't that it was a national vs. state bill, it's that it is terribly bad law. So was Romneycare.

[Dr. Who]

Romneycare as they love to call it did not steal 750Billion dollars from Medicare. They always fail to mention that tidbit.
He wasn't elected, so how do you know how much it would have cost? It might have been even more expensive. Like there is any real difference between the two. There isn't because there cannot be. You don't understand, the American government has allowed itself to be hijacked by special interests. So whether you vote for nimno one or nimno two, you get the same thing. The only thing that you can count on is that really big business will make money and the American public will lose money. Take off the partisan glasses and see things the way they really are. No one in government has the best interests of the public at heart. Their interests are essentially about themselves and their benefactors. Everything coming out of their collective mouths are lies and half truths, whether they be Democrats or Republicans.

Representatives that really had the welfare of America at heart would find a way to get things done. They have in the past. They simply don't care. They get paid anyway, but they keep the inflammatory rhetoric going to distract and disguise the truth. You're not in Kansas anymore Dorothy. Welcome to the world of Oz.

[Matty]

He wasn't elected, so how do you know how much it would have cost? It might have been even more expensive. Like there is any real difference between the two. There isn't because there cannot be. You don't understand, the American government has allowed itself to be hijacked by special interests. So whether you vote for nimno one or nimno two, you get the same thing. The only thing that you can count on is that really big business will make money and the American public will lose money. Take off the partisan glasses and see things the way they really are. No one in government has the best interests of the public at heart. Their interests are essentially about themselves and their benefactors. Everything coming out of their collective mouths are lies and half truths, whether they be Democrats or Republicans.

Representatives that really had the welfare of America at heart would find a way to get things done. They have in the past. They simply don't care. They get paid anyway, but they keep the inflammatory rhetoric going to distract and disguise the truth. You're not in Kansas anymore Dorothy. Welcome to the world of Oz.


​I said RomneyCare did not steal 750 Billion dollars from Medicare. Period. Your response is non responsive.

[Dr. Who]

​I said RomneyCare did not steal 750 Billion dollars from Medicare. Period. Your response is non responsive.
Romneycare was never enacted. How could it cost anything? Your response is a non sequitur.

[Matty]

Romneycare was never enacted. How could it cost anything? Your response is a non sequitur.
Oh really? Then why did the liar democrats say they fashioned obamacare after romneycare?

[Dr. Who]

Oh really? Then why did the liar democrats say they fashioned obamacare after romneycare?
So you are defending romneycare that was apparently stolen by the democrats and are now complaining that it cost 750B, but still defending romneycare? So if I have an ill conceived idea that is stolen by my enemies and they put it into practice, my ill conceived idea is still worthy because why? Because you bat for my team and not the other? Obamacare is a mess because it tries to serve too many masters, but it couldn't be passed otherwise. Big business had to get paid and that was the point all along. It was a bone that was thrown to the public, but it was a fetid bone that few can digest. That is the shell game that purports to be government these days. If Romney hadn't come across as a complete idiot, he probably would have been elected and you would be hearing the same rhetoric from the left that the right is now flinging.

[Matty]

So you are defending romneycare that was apparently stolen by the democrats and are now complaining that it cost 750B, but still defending romneycare? So if I have an ill conceived idea that is stolen by my enemies and they put it into practice, my ill conceived idea is still worthy because why? Because you bat for my team and not the other? Obamacare is a mess because it tries to serve too many masters, but it couldn't be passed otherwise. Big business had to get paid and that was the point all along. It was a bone that was thrown to the public, but it was a fetid bone that few can digest. That is the shell game that purports to be government these days. If Romney hadn't come across as a complete idiot, he probably would have been elected and you would be hearing the same rhetoric from the left that the right is now flinging.
I defended nothing. Are you defending a lie?

[Dr. Who]

I defended nothing. Are you defending a lie?
I don't defend Obamacare, but if you think that it's the love child of Romneycare, that doesn't make Romneycare any better. I don't like either party, if you haven't noticed. Purveyors of snake oil put me off.

[Matty]

I don't defend Obamacare, but if you think that it's the love child of Romneycare, that doesn't make Romneycare any better. I don't like either party, if you haven't noticed. Purveyors of snake oil put me off.


You have some serious issues with confusion. I never said it was the "love child of romneycare" I said that was the claim of the democrats. I said the difference is when Gov. Romney passed the Mass. Healthcare he did not steal 750 Billion dollars from Medicare to do it. The democrats on the other hand did steal 750 Billion dollars to fund obamacare. Are you clearer now?

[Dr. Who]

You have some serious issues with confusion. I never said it was the "love child of romneycare" I said that was the claim of the democrats. I said the difference is when Gov. Romney passed the Mass. Healthcare he did not steal 750 Billion dollars from Medicare to do it. The democrats on the other hand did steal 750 Billion dollars to fund obamacare. Are you clearer now? Well Medicare is funded federally, so Romney couldn't steal any money from the Feds. On the other hand the Feds have many pockets and can move money from one to the other. Whether it makes any sense is another story. BTW, I think that healthcare should be administered by the States and not by the Feds. That way it is more responsive to the electorate that it serves.

[Bob]

Via IVN (http://ivn.us/2012/07/17/100-ways-mitt-romney-is-just-like-barack-obama/):



There's more. There's also a list of over 200 issues, but I haven't found the link to that yet.

Let's get a handle on your claims.

They were clones

This of course was a hit piece, but leaving that aside

You worked for the R party then told them to F off.

Then regretfully you picked a clone.

That beats all.

You are the gift that keeps giving.

[Bob]

Thread fail, for obamacare is the only item in which leftists chose to link to Romeycare in which the two are diametrically opposed to one another as one is nationally run while the other is state run. Anything else you try to match to the two would be ridiculous as you are comparing apples to oranges or a failed CIC to a successful CEO or socialism to capitalism. Nice try though.

Imagine the first 10 points are all the same topic.

Seems silly to me to complain they were clones then vote for one of the clones?

I personally do not accept that they were clones.

First, I realize how this is a hit piece on Romney, but let's be honest.

Romney did an experiment as a state governor. What was the strong party?

Democrats ran the state.

So, while 10 points are correct, it does not explain Romney.

Even the smear on his running companies does not pass the smell test of a Romney in 2012.

If I thought Romney stunk to high heaven, wild horses could not force me to vote for his clone. LMAO

[The Xl]

If you are a student of the Constitution it isn't the same thing. Massachusetts is a state. States have very wide authority. The Federal government is bound by the Constitution.

It is called federalism.

Yeah, but Romney wanted to repeal and replace Obamacare. With what, I wonder?

Hmm....

[Bob]

Romney care and Obama care=Tame ting.

Here is what settled that for me.

With Obama, you had the ACA rammed up your butt.

With Romney, he promised to end it.

That to me means they were not clones.

[Bob]

Yeah, but Romney wanted to repeal and replace Obamacare. With what, I wonder?

Hmm....

I have a great idea. Replace it with something that really cuts costs we pay to doctors, hospitals and so forth. Why do you think insurance, Hospitals and Doctors supported Obama?

They knew they were about to get rich.

[Libhater]

Here is what settled that for me.

With Obama, you had the ACA rammed up your butt.

With Romney, he promised to end it.

That to me means they were not clones.


Thanks for putting it so succinctly for all to see. My friend, you have more patience with the idiots who say there is no difference between Romneycare and obamacare, and that they are both progressives wanting to grow government. I scratched my head over their lame assertions a long time ago. Good luck dealing with the heads in the sand crowd.

[Bob]

Well Medicare is funded federally, so Romney couldn't steal any money from the Feds. On the other hand the Feds have many pockets and can move money from one to the other. Whether it makes any sense is another story. BTW, I think that healthcare should be administered by the States and not by the Feds. That way it is more responsive to the electorate that it serves.

Some of us on Medicare since it costs us little to nothing per visit, simply don't open the papers we get from Medicare.

Would you care what it costs to fix your car when you have insurance paying the bill?

But I do study the papers from Medicare. I know my doctor gets crapped on. I asked my doctors what they think of Obama care and my personal doctor says, "done very clumsy" My Cardiologist and eye doctor spat on it.

I can tell horror stories where my doctor required I have a examination and Medicare refused to pay the bill and ordered me to not pay for it either.

How many of you realize that prior to Obama care, Medicare already had you by your balls? Doctors are not permitted to have you examined for a lot of things. You must be almost dying of cancer to get a paid for Colonoscopy. I have to check them again to see all the things Medicare refuses to pay for, though your own doctor tells you need one.

[Bob]

Thanks for putting it so succinctly for all to see. My friend, you have more patience with the idiots who say there is no difference between Romneycare and obamacare, and that they are both progressives wanting to grow government. I scratched my head over their lame assertions a long time ago. Good luck dealing with the heads in the sand crowd.

I plan to dig those heads out of the sand or ram them where the sun don't shine. :rofl::old:

[Bob]

So you are defending romneycare that was apparently stolen by the democrats and are now complaining that it cost 750B, but still defending romneycare? So if I have an ill conceived idea that is stolen by my enemies and they put it into practice, my ill conceived idea is still worthy because why? Because you bat for my team and not the other? Obamacare is a mess because it tries to serve too many masters, but it couldn't be passed otherwise. Big business had to get paid and that was the point all along. It was a bone that was thrown to the public, but it was a fetid bone that few can digest. That is the shell game that purports to be government these days. If Romney hadn't come across as a complete idiot, he probably would have been elected and you would be hearing the same rhetoric from the left that the right is now flinging.

Big Business in the form of Doctors, Hospitals and best of all, Insurance firms.

Romney was never coming off as an idiot. Democrats smeared the man. Talk about a dirty fight.

First time I saw Dirty Democrats fight was when I was in the Army at Fort Benning. They were fighting like animals. I was so happy it was not happening in CA. But then Ca was run by republicans.

If i get the mood, i may try to google who the politicians were in 1962. It was ugly I tell you.

[Green Arrow]

Here is what settled that for me.

With Obama, you had the ACA rammed up your butt.

With Romney, he promised to end it.

That to me means they were not clones.

If I lived in Massachusetts, I'd have the ACA rammed up my butt even if Obama never got the Presidency and every Democrat was booted out of national office, and it would have been MITT ROMNEY ramming it up my butt.

[Libhater]

If I lived in Massachusetts, I'd have the ACA rammed up my butt even if Obama never got the Presidency and every Democrat was booted out of national office, and it would have been MITT ROMNEY ramming it up my butt.

You need to read up on Romneycare to see that you're just blowin wind out yer arse. Romneyhcare for the state of Massachusetts was a success.

[Bob]

http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Matalese http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://thepoliticalforums.com/showthread.php?p=695531#post695531)
Romneycare as they love to call it did not steal 750Billion dollars from Medicare. They always fail to mention that tidbit.



He wasn't elected, so how do you know how much it would have cost? It might have been even more expensive. Like there is any real difference between the two. There isn't because there cannot be. You don't understand, the American government has allowed itself to be hijacked by special interests. So whether you vote for nimno one or nimno two, you get the same thing. The only thing that you can count on is that really big business will make money and the American public will lose money. Take off the partisan glasses and see things the way they really are. No one in government has the best interests of the public at heart. Their interests are essentially about themselves and their benefactors. Everything coming out of their collective mouths are lies and half truths, whether they be Democrats or Republicans.

Representatives that really had the welfare of America at heart would find a way to get things done. They have in the past. They simply don't care. They get paid anyway, but they keep the inflammatory rhetoric going to distract and disguise the truth. You're not in Kansas anymore Dorothy. Welcome to the world of Oz.

She is saying very truthfully that Obama Care took 750 billion from Medicare and that in MA Romney care did not take such funds.

[Bob]

http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Bob http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://thepoliticalforums.com/showthread.php?p=695760#post695760)
Here is what settled that for me.

With Obama, you had the ACA rammed up your butt.

With Romney, he promised to end it.

That to me means they were not clones.


If I lived in Massachusetts, I'd have the ACA rammed up my butt even if Obama never got the Presidency and every Democrat was booted out of national office, and it would have been MITT ROMNEY ramming it up my butt.

So what? Romney did not ram up the butts of all Americans and MA could quit it as a state experiment.

I agree it would have been but then he stated it was wrong for the entire country.

I am afraid what would have taken place is Romney would have killed the ACA and handled the situation very differently.

They were not clones.

Say, If I agree with 10 of your points, will that make me your clone?

[Green Arrow]

You need to read up on Romneycare to see that you're just blowin wind out yer arse. Romneyhcare for the state of Massachusetts was a success.

Sure it was...in fantasyland.

[Green Arrow]

So what? Romney did not ram up the butts of all Americans and MA could quit it as a state experiment.

"So what" is that it's a fucking terrible law and you can't run on "repeal and replace" when your own version is a state-level version of the same law.


Say, If I agree with 10 of your points, will that make me your clone?

No, but if you agree with me on over 200, you probably should construct a shrine to Skadi in the corner of your room and kick your Mormon god to the curb.

[Dr. Who]

TBH I don't support this bizarre amalgamation of public/private health care system. It's an abomination destined to cost everyone more money. There is no way to properly administer it or police it. The public has no way to hold the private entities' feet to the fire. It's the worst possible compromise. I won't lie. I support single payer healthcare funded exclusively by government and taxes, but not Federal government but rather State government with services delivered according to the wishes of the electorate who pay for it. I believe in cutting out the middle man and profiteering while delivering medication and services for less. That doesn't exclude private plans to pay for extras, but it does make healthcare available to everyone, not just those who can afford it. Perhaps then Medicare would be unnecessary.

[Libhater]

Sure it was...in fantasyland.

You and Peter have much in common in that neither of you know how to accept the facts.

Here, check out the 98% success rate of Romneycare and then tell me if you think its success belongs in fantasyland.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-03-26/romneycare-s-98-success-rate-defies-gripes-on-obama-law.html

[Bob]

On the economy, Romney was a different Egg. But on social policies he is very similar.

i ask you this zelmo1234

Just how different could Romney be on so called social issues?

I do not see the task of president to dig into the weeds on social issues.

Why not Bob.

Easy, his job is to handle the jobs he gets from Congress.

What about his job to manage the Executive Bob.

Well, once he does his duty as spelled out by Congress, he has to try to do a very good job.

If Congress hands him a social issue by law, of course the president deals with social issues.

I used to drive the left wing crazy by telling them the very few jobs presidents have per the constitution.

I have not one time seen this posted here. Forgive me since it is very very brief.

************************* Section 2

Section 21: The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.
2: He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.
3: The President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session.
Section 3He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper; he shall receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers; he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed, and shall Commission all the Officers of the United States.

How many of you realized that by law, the supreme law of the land, how few things all presidents may do?

Where does it tell Obama he can flaunt laws passed by Congress?

Obama breaks so many laws it is a wonder he is not impeached.

[Green Arrow]

You and Peter have much in common in that neither of you know how to accept the facts.

Here, check out the 98% success rate of Romneycare and then tell me if you think its success belongs in fantasyland.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-03-26/romneycare-s-98-success-rate-defies-gripes-on-obama-law.html

Liberal, gun-grabbing Bloomberg? Jesus, "Libhater." You might as well ask Obama how Obamacare is working.

[Matty]

I am quite sure Mr. Bob that Romney would want unfettered abortion just like the obamavoters do. And they are loving it all the way from start to finish and especially sachem.

[Libhater]

Liberal, gun-grabbing Bloomberg? Jesus, "Libhater." You might as well ask Obama how Obamacare is working.

De-Nial isn't just some river that runs through Egypt.

[Matty]

I am quite sure Mr Bob that Mr Romney would force every American to buy the morning after pill for all the democrat ho's. Yep yep yep.

[Green Arrow]

I am quite sure Mr. Bob that Romney would want unfettered abortion just like the obamavoters do. And they are loving it all the way from start to finish and especially sachem.

Well, he did add taxpayer-funded abortions to Romneycare and appointed pro-choice judges in Massachusetts. Among other things, like being completely pro-choice at one point.

[zelmo1234]

i ask you this @zelmo1234 (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=588)

Just how different could Romney be on so called social issues?

I do not see the task of president to dig into the weeds on social issues.

Why not Bob.

Easy, his job is to handle the jobs he gets from Congress.

What about his job to manage the Executive Bob.

Well, once he does his duty as spelled out by Congress, he has to try to do a very good job.

If Congress hands him a social issue by law, of course the president deals with social issues.

I used to drive the left wing crazy by telling them the very few jobs presidents have per the constitution.

I have not one time seen this posted here. Forgive me since it is very very brief.

************************* Section 2

Section 2

1: The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.
2: He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.
3: The President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session.
Section 3

He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper; he shall receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers; he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed, and shall Commission all the Officers of the United States.

How many of you realized that by law, the supreme law of the land, how few things all presidents may do?

Where does it tell Obama he can flaunt laws passed by Congress?

Obama breaks so many laws it is a wonder he is not impeached.

I know that you are a fan of Mr. Romney, and if we were choosing neighbors I would be too.

But we were choosing a president that should have made the government smaller and went back to private solutions.

A commander that would have abandon many of the social causes and focused on a strong military and projecting the exceptionalism of the USA

I did not see that in Romney's record, I saw a big government solutions guy, and that was not an improvement to me

So if you are not going to get the change to turn the nation, then I am not interested and 4 million other conservatives joined me.

I am not, nor will I vote for what the party calls a moderate

[Green Arrow]

Next, someone smart who actually paid attention to Romney's statements and record will point out that Romney also, like Obama, believes that the President doesn't need Congressional approval to go to war (even though the constitution explicitly states that he does), and the Romney worshipers will find some way to suddenly make that okay. Like how Obamacare sucks, but Romneycare is totally legit and works great.

[Bob]

TBH I don't support this bizarre amalgamation of public/private health care system. It's an abomination destined to cost everyone more money. There is no way to properly administer it or police it. The public has no way to hold the private entities' feet to the fire. It's the worst possible compromise. I won't lie. I support single payer healthcare funded exclusively by government and taxes, but not Federal government but rather State government with services delivered according to the wishes of the electorate who pay for it. I believe in cutting out the middle man and profiteering while delivering medication and services for less. That doesn't exclude private plans to pay for extras, but it does make healthcare available to everyone, not just those who can afford it. Perhaps then Medicare would be unnecessary.

When Government takes over, they are in charge.

Say you want an examination called for by your doctor.

Medicare can deny paying for it.

To hell you say.

YES, they can do it today. They could do it in 2009. This is not new.

Right now, the Feds hold my nuts in their hands. I may need to get an exam for the Prostate. My doctor can't tell so he handed me a doctor to see. I got improvement from my Dr's prescription thus i put it off. I found out a pal has cancer and now I will call the referred doctor. Problem is, if he finds nothing, my new doctor won't get paid.

What are the chances the new doctor wants to examine me?

Maybe none? If I tell my doctor, will he take a chance to refer me again?

My doctors first question is do you have to go to the toilet to urinate all night long. I tell him no. This seems to end the conversation. Note: I know i should drink 8 glasses per day of water but I drink a lot of coffee. I am currently on my 2nd glass of water today and it is after 9 pm. I plan to drink several more.

I am sick of at times it is slow then later faster. This could be cancer.

[Matty]

TBH I don't support this bizarre amalgamation of public/private health care system. It's an abomination destined to cost everyone more money. There is no way to properly administer it or police it. The public has no way to hold the private entities' feet to the fire. It's the worst possible compromise. I won't lie. I support single payer healthcare funded exclusively by government and taxes, but not Federal government but rather State government with services delivered according to the wishes of the electorate who pay for it. I believe in cutting out the middle man and profiteering while delivering medication and services for less. That doesn't exclude private plans to pay for extras, but it does make healthcare available to everyone, not just those who can afford it. Perhaps then Medicare would be unnecessary.
We'll the Marxist you helped put in office says it stays. He took over 1/6 th of the us economy. Keep electing democrats and you will learn to love it. Asswipe spent over 600 million dollars and cannot get a website to work so just imagine how your doctor visits are gonna go. You sure put one over on the Republicans though didn't ya? And you cannot afford single payer either cause guess what? You now have way more takers than you got makers. The dude you put in office is running corporations offshore as fast as he possibly can and now is trying to figure out a way to punish them for going and Sachem is loving it from start to finish.

[Bob]

Next, someone smart who actually paid attention to Romney's statements and record will point out that Romney also, like Obama, believes that the President doesn't need Congressional approval to go to war (even though the constitution explicitly states that he does), and the Romney worshipers will find some way to suddenly make that okay. Like how Obamacare sucks, but Romneycare is totally legit and works great.

I am sad to admit that the Congress handed that over to the president when it agreed to a new law. That genie is out of the bottle.

I believe in health care.

I believe that when I was a kid and doctors fees were so low, it was because of no insurance. The government did not pay. Doctors bills were always fair. Even hospital bills were reasonable and my parents paid them.

Hint ... what happened

1. Insurance
2. Government payments

[Matty]

Third party voters live in the land of unicorn farts and fairy tale dreams.

[Bob]

We'll the Marxist you helped put in office says it stays. He took over 1/6 th of the us economy. Keep electing democrats and you will learn to love it. Asswipe spent over 600 million dollars and cannot get a website to work so just imagine how your doctor visits are gonna go. You sure put one over on the Republicans though didn't ya? And you cannot afford single payer either cause guess what? You now have way more takers than you got makers. The dude you put in office is running corporations offshore as fast as he possibly can and now is trying to figure out a way to punish them for going and Sachem is loving it from start to finish.

She is entirely correct.

[Bob]

Third party voters live in the land of unicorn farts and fairy tale dreams.

You have to stop riding with those truck drivers. Those guys cuss up a blue streak.

[Matty]

I am sad to admit that the Congress handed that over to the president when it agreed to a new law. That genie is out of the bottle.

I believe in health care.

I believe that when I was a kid and doctors fees were so low, it was because of no insurance. The government did not pay. Doctors bills were always fair. Even hospital bills were reasonable and my parents paid them.

Hint ... what happened

1. Insurance
2. Government payments
You know why college tuition is skyrocketing? That's right because the third party voters put Obama in office and he decided the government would back college loans, and no one else. Guess what? The colleges said oh goody! Let's stick it in the ass of the taxpayer. And, Sachem is loving it every step of the way.

[Private Pickle]

Third party voters live in the land of unicorn farts and fairy tale dreams.

Yeah the two-party voters are living in reality thinking their party is actually different than the other one...

[Matty]

You have to stop riding with those truck drivers. Those guys cuss up a blue streak.
Oh hell Bob, if I can survive " period bleeding all over the forum I can survive anything."

[Green Arrow]

I am sad to admit that the Congress handed that over to the president when it agreed to a new law. That genie is out of the bottle.

I believe in health care.

I believe that when I was a kid and doctors fees were so low, it was because of no insurance. The government did not pay. Doctors bills were always fair. Even hospital bills were reasonable and my parents paid them.

Hint ... what happened

1. Insurance
2. Government payments

So what, Bob? I thought the whole point of the GOP was to put the genie back in the bottle?

[Green Arrow]

Oh hell Bob, if I can survive " period bleeding all over the forum I can survive anything."

Endlessly bitching about it weeks after it happened shows that you're not surviving, and I won :cool:

[Dr. Who]

We'll the Marxist you helped put in office says it stays. He took over 1/6 th of the us economy. Keep electing democrats and you will learn to love it. Asswipe spent over 600 million dollars and cannot get a website to work so just imagine how your doctor visits are gonna go. You sure put one over on the Republicans though didn't ya? And you cannot afford single payer either cause guess what? You now have way more takers than you got makers. The dude you put in office is running corporations offshore as fast as he possibly can and now is trying to figure out a way to punish them for going and Sachem is loving it from start to finish.
Again you are making assumptions. I didn't vote for Obama or the ACA abomination, nor am I a Marxist, not that there is anything wrong with people having different political points of view. There will never be a time when all of the people share a single point of view, so there is no point in getting agitated over the voting record. It is more important to find a candidate that fulfills your political goals than to cast your vote for an inferior compromise. If you always cast your vote for an inferior compromise, that is what you will always get.

[Bob]

I know that you are a fan of Mr. Romney, and if we were choosing neighbors I would be too.

But we were choosing a president that should have made the government smaller and went back to private solutions.

A commander that would have abandon many of the social causes and focused on a strong military and projecting the exceptionalism of the USA

I did not see that in Romney's record, I saw a big government solutions guy, and that was not an improvement to me

So if you are not going to get the change to turn the nation, then I am not interested and 4 million other conservatives joined me.

I am not, nor will I vote for what the party calls a moderate

I will grant that he had a Democrat run state and a republican mindset. But he would have been frozen in place had he got elected in socialist Taxachusetts then crapped all over them.

Bear in mind who he governed. Those types would shoot to kill a republican.

Suppose he had governed a Republican state. Do you honestly think he would have done the job to favor Democrats?

I believe he would favor those who voted him in.

Apparently some won't forgive him and preferred he stick it to the Democrats of Taxachusetts.

But Arnold tried that in CA and see how that worked for him?

I am more forgiving. I believe he said he would end Obama care. He realize the experiment in Taxachusetts would not fly in the rest of America.

We had nobody else who had a chance of a snowball in hell to win.

Are you saying we had to be doomed to Obama and you would not support Romney to prevent that?

[Bob]

Again you are making assumptions. I didn't vote for Obama or the ACA abomination, nor am I a Marxist, not that there is anything wrong with people having different political points of view. There will never be a time when all of the people share a single point of view, so there is no point in getting agitated over the voting record. It is more important to find a candidate that fulfills your political goals than to cast your vote for an inferior compromise. If you always cast your vote for an inferior compromise, that is what you will always get.

We have that right now.

[Matty]

Again you are making assumptions. I didn't vote for Obama or the ACA abomination, nor am I a Marxist, not that there is anything wrong with people having different political points of view. There will never be a time when all of the people share a single point of view, so there is no point in getting agitated over the voting record. It is more important to find a candidate that fulfills your political goals than to cast your vote for an inferior compromise. If you always cast your vote for an inferior compromise, that is what you will always get.
Then you won't mind me having mine then will you? I voted Romney. He lost. Who did you vote for? How did he do? Oh what we have is Obama and the ACA. Right. Now we live with the results of our decisions. Check the poll. Check it.

[Bob]

http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Matalese http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://thepoliticalforums.com/showthread.php?p=695831#post695831)
Oh hell Bob, if I can survive " period bleeding all over the forum I can survive anything."


Endlessly bitching about it weeks after it happened shows that you're not surviving, and I won :cool:

Your trademark way to smear women is why sachem adores you.

[Matty]

We have that right now.
Shit, that was no compromise. That was a conscious decision by all the Obama voters and the anti Romney voters. It is what it is.

[Matty]

Your trademark way to smear women is why @sachem (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=974) adores you.
Wonder what the nasty man thinks he won?

[Bob]

http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Bob http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://thepoliticalforums.com/showthread.php?p=695824#post695824)
I am sad to admit that the Congress handed that over to the president when it agreed to a new law. That genie is out of the bottle.

I believe in health care.

I believe that when I was a kid and doctors fees were so low, it was because of no insurance. The government did not pay. Doctors bills were always fair. Even hospital bills were reasonable and my parents paid them.

Hint ... what happened

1. Insurance
2. Government payments



You know why college tuition is skyrocketing? That's right because the third party voters put Obama in office and he decided the government would back college loans, and no one else. Guess what? The colleges said oh goody! Let's stick it in the ass of the taxpayer. And, Sachem is loving it every step of the way.

Again, you are correct.

What about the illegals.

2008 we got the Bush law on kids
2009 no increase in kids over the border
2010 no change
2011 no change
2012 Obama tells them he plans to educate them and he got 8,000
2013 Gates to the USA flew open and we got 20,000
2014 It's going to be 90,000

But they want to blame Bush.

Oh wait, now it is Romney's fault. LOL

[Matty]

Again you are making assumptions. I didn't vote for Obama or the ACA abomination, nor am I a Marxist, not that there is anything wrong with people having different political points of view. There will never be a time when all of the people share a single point of view, so there is no point in getting agitated over the voting record. It is more important to find a candidate that fulfills your political goals than to cast your vote for an inferior compromise. If you always cast your vote for an inferior compromise, that is what you will always get.
Check the poll.

[Green Arrow]

Your trademark way to smear women is why @sachem (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=974) adores you.

It's hardly a trademark if I only said it once. Stop using words that you don't know the meaning to.

[Bob]

Shit, that was no compromise. That was a conscious decision by all the Obama voters and the anti Romney voters. It is what it is.

PERK

I said inferior .... don't leave that part out.

[Green Arrow]

Wonder what the nasty man thinks he won?

Free entertainment :cool:

[Bob]

It's hardly a trademark if I only said it once. Stop using words that you don't know the meaning to.

Let those insults pour in.

[Matty]

It's hardly a trademark if I only said it once. Stop using words that you don't know the meaning to.
Hey! Nasty man! What did you win. Tell Dr. Who what you won.

[Private Pickle]

Hey! Nasty man! What did you win. Tell Dr. Who what you won.

That Nasty Man is Nasty Dan!

-Johnny Cash

[Matty]

Hey! Nasty man! What did you win. Tell Dr. Who what you won. Dr. Who pay attention. Nasty man is going to tell you what he won.

[del]

:rolleyes:

[Bob]

http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Bob http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://thepoliticalforums.com/showthread.php?p=695824#post695824)
I am sad to admit that the Congress handed that over to the president when it agreed to a new law. That genie is out of the bottle.

I believe in health care.

I believe that when I was a kid and doctors fees were so low, it was because of no insurance. The government did not pay. Doctors bills were always fair. Even hospital bills were reasonable and my parents paid them.

Hint ... what happened

1. Insurance
2. Government payments


So what, Bob? I thought the whole point of the GOP was to put the genie back in the bottle?

The genie was not out of the bottle pre Obama.

As to the war power the congress donated to presidents? That is an old story.

Besides, it lasts 90 days. BTW, i too believe it should be fully debated and get approval by Congress.

You know, the way Bush did it.

Obama will drone any damned country he wants to when he wants to.

I busted the nuts of the Democrats by reminding them the drones bombs is what Japan did in 12/07/1941. (bombing only not the way they got delivered. However in both events, bombs fell from the air)

At least, say what you want about Bush, he asked for and got permission.

[Matty]

:rolleyes:
Oh come on del. don't you want to know what nasty man won?

[sachem]

Your trademark way to smear women is why @sachem (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=974) adores you.Bob, please, as a common courtesy, stop mentioning me. It is fucking annoying.

And there is no one here I adore, except Nathan. Although we hate each other's politics, we were forum mates before.

[Green Arrow]

Free entertainment :cool:

^ Reposted since Matalese can't read.

[Green Arrow]

The genie was not out of the bottle pre Obama.

As to the war power the congress donated to presidents? That is an old story.

Besides, it lasts 90 days. BTW, i too believe it should be fully debated and get approval by Congress.

You know, the way Bush did it.

Obama will drone any damned country he wants to when he wants to.

I busted the nuts of the Democrats by reminding them the drones bombs is what Japan did in 12/07/1941. (bombing only not the way they got delivered. However in both events, bombs fell from the air)

At least, say what you want about Bush, he asked for and got permission.

And Romney agrees with Obama that the President should be able to go to war without Congressional approval.

[del]

Oh come on del. don't you want to know what nasty man won?

i'm gripped by anticipation

[sachem]

Green Arrow, are you nasty man?

[Matty]

Bob, please, as a common courtesy, stop mentioning me. It is fucking annoying.

And there is no one here I adore, except Nathan. Although we hate each other's politics, we were forum mates before.
Tough shit sweetie. You mention me whenever you feel like it.

[Matty]

i'm gripped by anticipation
Me too.

[Green Arrow]

Green Arrow, are you nasty man?

Only in the bedroom and with my wife, and she loves it :cool:

[Matty]

Forum mates? Fucking A

[Matty]

Only in the bedroom and with my wife, and she loves it :cool:
Tell us what you won nasty man.

[Green Arrow]

Tell us what you won nasty man.

I already did, twice. If you're intelligent, you'll figure it out.

[GrassrootsConservative]

7. Like Obama and the Democrats provided for in the Affordable Care Act, Romney’s legislative alternative would make sure people who want to keep their current insurance can do so.


But that's not true. Obama and the Democrats have caused many people to lose their old healthcare. The lies in order to advance support of those people need to cease.