What Hoover, Truman and Ike had in common

[Bob]

What did Presidents Hoover , Truman, and Eisenhower have in
common?


This is something that should be of great interest for you to
pass around. I didn't know of this until it was pointed out to me.


Back during the great depression,
Herbert Hoover ordered the deportation of ALL
illegal aliens in order to make jobs available to American citizens that
desperately needed work.


Harry Truman deported over two million illegal
aliens after WWII to create jobs for
Returning veterans.

In 1954
Dwight Eisenhower deported 13 million Mexicans. The program was called Operation
Wetback. It was done so WWII and Korean War veterans would have a better chance
at jobs. It took two years, but they deported them!


Now, if they could
deport the illegal aliens back then, they could surely do it today. If you have
doubts about the veracity of this information, enter Operation Wetback into your
favorite search engine and confirm it for yourself.


Why, you might ask, can't they do this today?
Actually the answer is quite simple. Hoover, Truman,
and Eisenhower were men of honor, not self-serving politicians looking for
votes!

Reminder: Don't forget to pay your taxes - 12 to 20
million illegal aliens – are depending on it.

[Green Arrow]

If you study Operation Wetback, you'll note that it WAS an immediate success...for a year. From 1955 until the end of the program in 1962, successful deportations declined consistently as we failed to catch all of them. Deportations declined for almost a decade, but illegal immigration continued during that time. The illegals just found ways to stick around and avoid deportation.

Further, Eisenhower didn't start Operation Wetback, the Mexican government did. At the time, the Mexican government wasn't quite as much of a cesspool as it is now, and they started the Bracero Program with us in the 1940s. By the mid-1950s, however, Mexico was losing too many workers, because some were going to the U.S. legally as part of Bracero and others were going illegally to do the same things as those in Bracero. So, the Mexican government asked the U.S. government to track down the illegal workers and send them back, a request Eisenhower honored.

[Bob]

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By John Dillin JULY 6, 2006
WASHINGTON — George W. Bush isn't the first Republican president to face a full-blown immigration crisis on the US-Mexican border.
Fifty-three years ago, when newly elected Dwight Eisenhower moved into the White House, America's southern frontier was as porous as a spaghetti sieve. As many as 3 million illegal migrants had walked and waded northward over a period of several years for jobs in California, Arizona, Texas, and points beyond.
President Eisenhower cut off this illegal traffic. He did it quickly and decisively with only 1,075 United States Border Patrol agents – less than one-tenth of today's force. The operation is still highly praised among veterans of the Border Patrol.
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Although there is little to no record of this operation in Ike's official papers, one piece of historic evidence indicates how he felt. In 1951, Ike wrote a letter to Sen. William Fulbright (D) of Arkansas. The senator had just proposed that a special commission be created by Congress to examine unethical conduct by government officials who accepted gifts and favors in exchange for special treatment of private individuals.
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General Eisenhower, who was gearing up for his run for the presidency, said "Amen" to Senator Fulbright's proposal. He then quoted a report in The New York Times, highlighting one paragraph that said: "The rise in illegal border-crossing by Mexican 'wetbacks' to a current rate of more than 1,000,000 cases a year has been accompanied by a curious relaxation in ethical standards extending all the way from the farmer-exploiters of this contraband labor to the highest levels of the Federal Government."
Years later, the late Herbert Brownell Jr., Eisenhower's first attorney general, said in an interview with this writer that the president had a sense of urgency about illegal immigration when he took office.
America "was faced with a breakdown in law enforcement on a very large scale," Mr. Brownell said. "When I say large scale, I mean hundreds of thousands were coming in from Mexico [every year] without restraint."
Although an on-and-off guest-worker program for Mexicans was operating at the time, farmers and ranchers in the Southwest had become dependent on an additional low-cost, docile, illegal labor force of up to 3 million, mostly Mexican, laborers.
According to the Handbook of Texas Online, published by the University of Texas at Austin and the Texas State Historical Association, this illegal workforce had a severe impact on the wages of ordinary working Americans. The Handbook Online reports that a study by the President's Commission on Migratory Labor in Texas in 1950 found that cotton growers in the Rio Grande Valley, where most illegal aliens in Texas worked, paid wages that were "approximately half" the farm wages paid elsewhere in the state.
Profits from illegal labor led to the kind of corruption that apparently worried Eisenhower. Joseph White, a retired 21-year veteran of the Border Patrol, says that in the early 1950s, some senior US officials overseeing immigration enforcement "had friends among the ranchers," and agents "did not dare" arrest their illegal workers.
Walt Edwards, who joined the Border Patrol in 1951, tells a similar story. He says: "When we caught illegal aliens on farms and ranches, the farmer or rancher would often call and complain [to officials in El Paso]. And depending on how politically connected they were, there would be political intervention. That is how we got into this mess we are in now."
Bill Chambers, who worked for a combined 33 years for the Border Patrol and the then-called US Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS), says politically powerful people are still fueling the flow of illegals.
During the 1950s, however, this "Good Old Boy" system changed under Eisenhower – if only for about 10 years.
In 1954, Ike appointed retired Gen. Joseph "Jumpin' Joe" Swing, a former West Point classmate and veteran of the 101st Airborne, as the new INS commissioner.
Influential politicians, including Sen. Lyndon B. Johnson (D) of Texas and Sen. Pat McCarran (D) of Nevada, favored open borders, and were dead set against strong border enforcement, Brownell said. But General Swing's close connections to the president shielded him – and the Border Patrol – from meddling by powerful political and corporate interests.
One of Swing's first decisive acts was to transfer certain entrenched immigration officials out of the border area to other regions of the country where their political connections with people such as Senator Johnson would have no effect.
Then on June 17, 1954, what was called "Operation Wetback" began. Because political resistance was lower in California and Arizona, the roundup of aliens began there. Some 750 agents swept northward through agricultural areas with a goal of 1,000 apprehensions a day. By the end of July, over 50,000 aliens were caught in the two states. Another 488,000, fearing arrest, had fled the country.
By mid-July, the crackdown extended northward into Utah, Nevada, and Idaho, and eastward to Texas.
By September, 80,000 had been taken into custody in Texas, and an estimated 500,000 to 700,000 illegals had left the Lone Star State voluntarily.
Unlike today, Mexicans caught in the roundup were not simply released at the border, where they could easily reenter the US. To discourage their return, Swing arranged for buses and trains to take many aliens deep within Mexico before being set free.
Tens of thousands more were put aboard two hired ships, the Emancipation and the Mercurio. The ships ferried the aliens from Port Isabel, Texas, to Vera Cruz, Mexico, more than 500 miles south.
The sea voyage was "a rough trip, and they did not like it," says Don Coppock, who worked his way up from Border Patrolman in 1941 to eventually head the Border Patrol from 1960 to 1973.
Mr. Coppock says he "cannot understand why [President] Bush let [today's] problem get away from him as it has. I guess it was his compassionate conservatism, and trying to please [Mexican President] Vincente Fox."
There are now said to be 12 million to 20 million illegal aliens in the US. Of the Mexicans who live here, an estimated 85 percent are here illegally.
Border Patrol vets offer tips on curbing illegal immigration
One day in 1954, Border Patrol agent Walt Edwards picked up a newspaper in Big Spring, Texas, and saw some startling news. The government was launching an all-out drive to oust illegal aliens from the United States.
The orders came straight from the top, where the new president, Dwight Eisenhower, had put a former West Point classmate, Gen. Joseph Swing, in charge of immigration enforcement.
General Swing's fast-moving campaign soon secured America's borders – an accomplishment no other president has since equaled. Illegal migration had dropped 95 percent by the late 1950s.
Several retired Border Patrol agents who took part in the 1950s effort, including Mr. Edwards, say much of what Swing did could be repeated today.
"Some say we cannot send 12 million illegals now in the United States back where they came from. Of course we can!" Edwards says.
Donald Coppock, who headed the Patrol from 1960 to 1973, says that if Swing and Ike were still running immigration enforcement, "they'd be on top of this in a minute."
William Chambers, another '50s veteran, agrees. "They could do a pretty good job" sealing the border.
Edwards says: "When we start enforcing the law, these various businesses are, on their own, going to replace their workforce with a legal workforce."
While Congress debates building a fence on the border, these veterans say other actions should have higher priority.
1. End the current practice of taking captured Mexican aliens to the border and releasing them. Instead, deport them deep into Mexico, where return to the US would be more costly.
2. Crack down hard on employers who hire illegals. Without jobs, the aliens won't come.
3. End "catch and release" for non-Mexican aliens. It is common for illegal migrants not from Mexico to be set free after their arrest if they promise to appear later before a judge. Few show up.
The Patrol veterans say enforcement could also be aided by a legalized guest- worker program that permits Mexicans to register in their country for temporary jobs in the US. Eisenhower's team ran such a program. It permitted up to 400,000 Mexicans a year to enter the US for various agriculture jobs that lasted for 12 to 52 weeks.
• [I]John Dillin is former managing editor of the Monitor.

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WASHINGTON — George W. Bush isn't the first Republican president to face a full-blown immigration crisis on the US-Mexican border.
Fifty-three years ago, when newly elected Dwight Eisenhower moved into the White House, America's southern frontier was as porous as a spaghetti sieve. As many as 3 million illegal migrants had walked and waded northward over a period of several years for jobs in California, Arizona, Texas, and points beyond.
President Eisenhower cut off this illegal traffic. He did it quickly and decisively with only 1,075 United States Border Patrol agents – less than one-tenth of today's force. The operation is still highly praised among veterans of the Border Patrol.
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Although there is little to no record of this operation in Ike's official papers, one piece of historic evidence indicates how he felt. In 1951, Ike wrote a letter to Sen. William Fulbright (D) of Arkansas. The senator had just proposed that a special commission be created by Congress to examine unethical conduct by government officials who accepted gifts and favors in exchange for special treatment of private individuals.
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General Eisenhower, who was gearing up for his run for the presidency, said "Amen" to Senator Fulbright's proposal. He then quoted a report in The New York Times, highlighting one paragraph that said: "The rise in illegal border-crossing by Mexican 'wetbacks' to a current rate of more than 1,000,000 cases a year has been accompanied by a curious relaxation in ethical standards extending all the way from the farmer-exploiters of this contraband labor to the highest levels of the Federal Government."
Years later, the late Herbert Brownell Jr., Eisenhower's first attorney general, said in an interview with this writer that the president had a sense of urgency about illegal immigration when he took office.
America "was faced with a breakdown in law enforcement on a very large scale," Mr. Brownell said. "When I say large scale, I mean hundreds of thousands were coming in from Mexico [every year] without restraint."
Although an on-and-off guest-worker program for Mexicans was operating at the time, farmers and ranchers in the Southwest had become dependent on an additional low-cost, docile, illegal labor force of up to 3 million, mostly Mexican, laborers.
According to the Handbook of Texas Online, published by the University of Texas at Austin and the Texas State Historical Association, this illegal workforce had a severe impact on the wages of ordinary working Americans. The Handbook Online reports that a study by the President's Commission on Migratory Labor in Texas in 1950 found that cotton growers in the Rio Grande Valley, where most illegal aliens in Texas worked, paid wages that were "approximately half" the farm wages paid elsewhere in the state.
Profits from illegal labor led to the kind of corruption that apparently worried Eisenhower. Joseph White, a retired 21-year veteran of the Border Patrol, says that in the early 1950s, some senior US officials overseeing immigration enforcement "had friends among the ranchers," and agents "did not dare" arrest their illegal workers.
Walt Edwards, who joined the Border Patrol in 1951, tells a similar story. He says: "When we caught illegal aliens on farms and ranches, the farmer or rancher would often call and complain [to officials in El Paso]. And depending on how politically connected they were, there would be political intervention. That is how we got into this mess we are in now."
Bill Chambers, who worked for a combined 33 years for the Border Patrol and the then-called US Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS), says politically powerful people are still fueling the flow of illegals.
During the 1950s, however, this "Good Old Boy" system changed under Eisenhower – if only for about 10 years.
In 1954, Ike appointed retired Gen. Joseph "Jumpin' Joe" Swing, a former West Point classmate and veteran of the 101st Airborne, as the new INS commissioner.
Influential politicians, including Sen. Lyndon B. Johnson (D) of Texas and Sen. Pat McCarran (D) of Nevada, favored open borders, and were dead set against strong border enforcement, Brownell said. But General Swing's close connections to the president shielded him – and the Border Patrol – from meddling by powerful political and corporate interests.
One of Swing's first decisive acts was to transfer certain entrenched immigration officials out of the border area to other regions of the country where their political connections with people such as Senator Johnson would have no effect.
Then on June 17, 1954, what was called "Operation Wetback" began. Because political resistance was lower in California and Arizona, the roundup of aliens began there. Some 750 agents swept northward through agricultural areas with a goal of 1,000 apprehensions a day. By the end of July, over 50,000 aliens were caught in the two states. Another 488,000, fearing arrest, had fled the country.
By mid-July, the crackdown extended northward into Utah, Nevada, and Idaho, and eastward to Texas.
By September, 80,000 had been taken into custody in Texas, and an estimated 500,000 to 700,000 illegals had left the Lone Star State voluntarily.
Unlike today, Mexicans caught in the roundup were not simply released at the border, where they could easily reenter the US. To discourage their return, Swing arranged for buses and trains to take many aliens deep within Mexico before being set free.
Tens of thousands more were put aboard two hired ships, the Emancipation and the Mercurio. The ships ferried the aliens from Port Isabel, Texas, to Vera Cruz, Mexico, more than 500 miles south.
The sea voyage was "a rough trip, and they did not like it," says Don Coppock, who worked his way up from Border Patrolman in 1941 to eventually head the Border Patrol from 1960 to 1973.
Mr. Coppock says he "cannot understand why [President] Bush let [today's] problem get away from him as it has. I guess it was his compassionate conservatism, and trying to please [Mexican President] Vincente Fox."
There are now said to be 12 million to 20 million illegal aliens in the US. Of the Mexicans who live here, an estimated 85 percent are here illegally.
Border Patrol vets offer tips on curbing illegal immigration
One day in 1954, Border Patrol agent Walt Edwards picked up a newspaper in Big Spring, Texas, and saw some startling news. The government was launching an all-out drive to oust illegal aliens from the United States.
The orders came straight from the top, where the new president, Dwight Eisenhower, had put a former West Point classmate, Gen. Joseph Swing, in charge of immigration enforcement.
General Swing's fast-moving campaign soon secured America's borders – an accomplishment no other president has since equaled. Illegal migration had dropped 95 percent by the late 1950s.
Several retired Border Patrol agents who took part in the 1950s effort, including Mr. Edwards, say much of what Swing did could be repeated today.
"Some say we cannot send 12 million illegals now in the United States back where they came from. Of course we can!" Edwards says.
Donald Coppock, who headed the Patrol from 1960 to 1973, says that if Swing and Ike were still running immigration enforcement, "they'd be on top of this in a minute."
William Chambers, another '50s veteran, agrees. "They could do a pretty good job" sealing the border.
Edwards says: "When we start enforcing the law, these various businesses are, on their own, going to replace their workforce with a legal workforce."
While Congress debates building a fence on the border, these veterans say other actions should have higher priority.
1. End the current practice of taking captured Mexican aliens to the border and releasing them. Instead, deport them deep into Mexico, where return to the US would be more costly.
2. Crack down hard on employers who hire illegals. Without jobs, the aliens won't come.
3. End "catch and release" for non-Mexican aliens. It is common for illegal migrants not from Mexico to be set free after their arrest if they promise to appear later before a judge. Few show up.
The Patrol veterans say enforcement could also be aided by a legalized guest- worker program that permits Mexicans to register in their country for temporary jobs in the US. Eisenhower's team ran such a program. It permitted up to 400,000 Mexicans a year to enter the US for various agriculture jobs that lasted for 12 to 52 weeks.
• [I]John Dillin is former managing editor of the Monitor.


Your article does nothing whatsoever to prove what I said wrong.

[Bob]

Your article does nothing whatsoever to prove what I said wrong.

Hell no Genius, you are ALWAYS RIGHT. Of all posters, only you are 100 percent correct.

[Green Arrow]

Hell no Genius, you are ALWAYS RIGHT. Of all posters, only you are 100 percent correct.

I appreciate the compliment. Now, do you have anything else to say about the topic?

[1751_Texan]

If you study Operation Wetback, you'll note that it WAS an immediate success...for a year. From 1955 until the end of the program in 1962, successful deportations declined consistently as we failed to catch all of them. Deportations declined for almost a decade, but illegal immigration continued during that time. The illegals just found ways to stick around and avoid deportation.

Further, Eisenhower didn't start Operation Wetback, the Mexican government did. At the time, the Mexican government wasn't quite as much of a cesspool as it is now, and they started the Bracero Program with us in the 1940s. By the mid-1950s, however, Mexico was losing too many workers, because some were going to the U.S. legally as part of Bracero and others were going illegally to do the same things as those in Bracero. So, the Mexican government asked the U.S. government to track down the illegal workers and send them back, a request Eisenhower honored.

There was no reason to "track down" the workers. They were under strict US control. All immigration had to do is go to the fields and load the buses.

[Green Arrow]

There was no reason to "track down" the workers. They were under strict US control. All immigration had to do is go to the fields and load the buses.

I'm not going to argue over phrasing. The meaning of my statement was clear.

[1751_Texan]

I'm not going to argue over phrasing. The meaning of my statement was clear.

I'm asking for a argument...I was clarifying your statement. Phrase it as you wish and I will clarify as I wish.

[1751_Texan]

There were never 13 million or 15 million deportations...With an average of 150,000 deportations yearly for at least the past 50 years that would only equal not more that 10 million in total.

[Cigar]

What did Presidents Hoover , Truman, and Eisenhower have in
common?


This is something that should be of great interest for you to
pass around. I didn't know of this until it was pointed out to me.


Back during the great depression,
Herbert Hoover ordered the deportation of ALL
illegal aliens in order to make jobs available to American citizens that
desperately needed work.


Harry Truman deported over two million illegal
aliens after WWII to create jobs for
Returning veterans.

In 1954
Dwight Eisenhower deported 13 million Mexicans. The program was called Operation
Wetback. It was done so WWII and Korean War veterans would have a better chance
at jobs. It took two years, but they deported them!


Now, if they could
deport the illegal aliens back then, they could surely do it today. If you have
doubts about the veracity of this information, enter Operation Wetback into your
favorite search engine and confirm it for yourself.


Why, you might ask, can't they do this today?
Actually the answer is quite simple. Hoover, Truman,
and Eisenhower were men of honor, not self-serving politicians looking for
votes!

Reminder: Don't forget to pay your taxes - 12 to 20
million illegal aliens – are depending on it.


http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/04/obama-administration-record-deportations :grin:

[Mainecoons]

The Republicans have signaled repeatedly a willingness to structure some sort of amnesty after this administration clearly demonstrates that it has stopped the flow of illegals across the border. This administration isn't going to do that for the reasons that have been identified by a wide range of folks across the political spectrum including most on this board. This administration and the Democratic Party see these immigrants from the south as their vehicle for future and total control of the U.S. political system.

With that as a given, it comes down to either their way or the reestablishment of secure borders in the U.S. Until one or the other prevails, there will be no longer term solution.

[Bob]

I appreciate the compliment. Now, do you have anything else to say about the topic?

That is and was sarcasm.

Notice how it is done with no filthy words.

You really thought it was all about you. Sad.

Not to mention that I had said what Ike did worked.

Your tome was it did not work.

My two articles clearly support my claims.

[Bob]

The Republicans have signaled repeatedly a willingness to structure some sort of amnesty after this administration clearly demonstrates that it has stopped the flow of illegals across the border. This administration isn't going to do that for the reasons that have been identified by a wide range of folks across the political spectrum including most on this board. This administration and the Democratic Party see these immigrants from the south as their vehicle for future and total control of the U.S. political system.

With that as a given, it comes down to either their way or the reestablishment of secure borders in the U.S. Until one or the other prevails, there will be no longer term solution.

We need to get off this amnesty kick and put a limit on who it applies too.

Let's say if they have lived and worked in the USA for the past 10 or more years, they can get some type.

Those less than that must return and jump into the back of their line.

A problem could be the ACLU will challenge it in court.

Alas, we might have to return to the Ike Doctrine, find them and remove them. When they find out they will be caught and removed, I believe a lot will return to family were they came from.

Jesus my nieces husband is legal but he got the 86 amnesty. Jesus told me to my face we must remove them. So, it is not true that the majority of people legally here from Mexico want them to stay.

As Jesus explains it, it is hard enough for him to keep working and he does not want them to show up taking his job from him.

Also, in his case, his family for the most part is still in Mexico. He has busted a lot of myths about Mexico for me.

That and as an Appraiser (quit in 1997) I ran into very educated Mexicans doing very well living in the SF Bay Area.

Who thinks we get the best and brightest from down below our border?

LMAO

Obama claims we get the good workers.

That is pure nonsense.

Then you have wage problems.

Can you legally force ME to pay American wages to non citizens?

[Mainecoons]

As long as we have the massive number of U.S. citizens unemployed and underemployed, there is no excuse for importing more labor, illegal or otherwise.

This rotten government in D.C. is putting everyone and everything ahead of the American worker.

[Bob]

Further checking by ME has produced the debunking of the myth of post 1, also by ME.

I also noticed incorrect posts by a poster and got tired of him posting incorrect material that supposedly corrected my also incorrect first post.

I will go with the following.

First let me make one thing clear. What Ike did reduced the number of illegals.
Compared to his problems, our problems dwarf his problems so when deportations declined during him, it was because they had worked well so naturally as time passes, you get less bang for the buck.

Some claim was it was Mexico behind it and not Ike. Good lord. Give Ike his due.

http://www.factcheck.org/2010/07/hoover-truman-ike-mass-deporters/

[Bob]

As long as we have the massive number of U.S. citizens unemployed and underemployed, there is no excuse for importing more labor, illegal or otherwise.

This rotten government in D.C. is putting everyone and everything ahead of the American worker.

Can we pressure the congress to call them INVADERS?

Imagine the media using that term?

I plan to try. The term does not mean what Democrats want from this problem. They call them voters.

Invaders is more proper.

[Mainecoons]

Throughout history, the real estate has belonged to those who would take it. The fault is not theirs, it is ours.

[Mister D]

As long as we have the massive number of U.S. citizens unemployed and underemployed, there is no excuse for importing more labor, illegal or otherwise.

This rotten government in D.C. is putting everyone and everything ahead of the American worker.

That's true and it's because they have this notion that the US has some kind of messianic global mission. That idea is a very early one unfortunately...

[Green Arrow]

That is and was sarcasm.

So was my post.


You really thought it was all about you. Sad.

Well, yes, your two posts bitching about me being "always right" were about me. Just like a post of mine saying "Bob is silly" would be about you. This isn't rocket science.


Not to mention that I had said what Ike did worked.

Your tome was it did not work.

My two articles clearly support my claims.

That's incorrect. I said what Ike did worked in the first year, but then started to fail as illegal immigrants found ways of avoiding deportation. Illegal immigration continued to go up as Operation Wetback deportations declined. You article claimed he stopped illegal immigration, but the data does not agree.

[Green Arrow]

Further checking by ME has produced the debunking of the myth of post 1, also by ME.

I also noticed incorrect posts by a poster and got tired of him posting incorrect material that supposedly corrected my also incorrect first post.

I will go with the following.

First let me make one thing clear. What Ike did reduced the number of illegals.
Compared to his problems, our problems dwarf his problems so when deportations declined during him, it was because they had worked well so naturally as time passes, you get less bang for the buck.

Some claim was it was Mexico behind it and not Ike. Good lord. Give Ike his due.

http://www.factcheck.org/2010/07/hoover-truman-ike-mass-deporters/

Your own source in this post says that it did not work at all. This is the last paragraph, about the INS at the time claiming Operation Wetback was a success:

"More than half a century later, history has shown that official claim to be a fantasy, just like nearly all the claims made by this chain e-mail. In fact, about the only true statement in it is that "we never hear about" the events it describes. That’s because they never happened."

[Green Arrow]

Also, I was incorrect in saying Operation Wetback was successful in the first year. It wasn't. It was only successful in the first MONTH.

[Bob]

I am not talking to GA but can's stop him from reading.

PBS

http://www.pbs.org/kpbs/theborder/history/timeline/20.html

Operation WetbackIn 1949 the Border Patrol seized nearly 280,000 illegal immigrants. By 1953, the numbers had grown to more than 865,000, and the U.S. government felt pressured to do something about the onslaught of immigration. What resulted was Operation Wetback, devised in 1954 under the supervision of new commissioner of the Immigration and Nationalization Service, Gen. Joseph Swing.
Swing oversaw the Border patrol, and organized state and local officials along with the police. The object of his intense border enforcement were "illegal aliens," but common practice of Operation Wetback focused on Mexicans in general. The police swarmed through Mexican American barrios throughout the southeastern states. Some Mexicans, fearful of the potential violence of this militarization, fled back south across the border. In 1954, the agents discovered over 1 million illegal immigrants.
In some cases, illegal immigrants were deported along with their American-born children, who were by law U.S. citizens. The agents used a wide brush in their criteria for interrogating potential aliens. They adopted the practice of stopping "Mexican-looking" citizens on the street and asking for identification. This practice incited and angered many U.S. citizens who were of Mexican American descent. Opponents in both the United States and Mexico complained of "police-state" methods, and Operation Wetback was abandoned.

Does anybody find where the president of Mexico started Operation Wetback? When GA told us of this, it was sure news to me.

He launches into attacking my posts by inserting wrong things in his too.

Amazing.

You know, when they ran out so many illegals, by deportations plus voluntary escaping back to Mexico, given the low population at the time it is natural that there were diminishing returns on enforcement. That was the aim all along, to be successful to a trickle shows up.

Who recalls the population of CA at the time?

Based on preliminary research it was roughly ten million people. At the time the population of whites was at least 7 million, probably more.

Data on CA relative to that era.

http://www.ppic.org/main/publication_show.asp?i=259

When one tosses out the figures as my OP did, I really am kicking myself for not first doing a lot of homework.

But consider a state of ten million (today we are nearing 40 million) with the invaders coming from Mexico, to now, and it is clear the removal then was easier and huge gains happened with what would today be a small number.

(1 million vs 10 million is a larger percent than 1 million of 40 million.)

Personally in 1950 I knew of just a few Mexican families. I believe that all but one family were in CA for a very long time. The family living behind where I lived parents still talked Spanish as did the kids. But the other kids as I recall were fluent in English. However behind me the kids also talked both languages fluently.

I lived in CA in 1950 and I am your eye on what it was like at that time.

I will be happy to take questions that are not a put down.

[Bob]

I would also reemphacize that since the population of the south western states was so small, compared to today, a million then was pretty damned good.

CA with a then 10 million would have done very well with even half a million of them sent back.

Another thing I like is they did not put them just over the border, they hauled them deep into Mexico with the aim of putting them where they could find work there.

Is this what Obama does today?