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Mainecoons
07-26-2014, 08:17 AM
Once again, we must now rely on the foreign press for the truth about Barack Obama.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/10992654/Barack-Obama-has-already-checked-out-of-his-job.html

Valerie Jarrett and Eric Holder are running the place.

Mr. Mensch
07-26-2014, 08:22 AM
Obama is a good example of why a 3rd stringer should not be on the 1st team.

Green Arrow
07-26-2014, 08:30 AM
The GOP gets a chance in 2016 to turn the tide. Will they make the same mistakes they've been making in every election since Bush? Or will they seize upon the opportunity to turn this car away from the cliff and nominate Rand Paul to wipe the floor with Hillary's wrinkly old face?

One can hope they choose the latter.

Mainecoons
07-26-2014, 08:31 AM
Yep. We've had two third stringers in a row, Bush and now Obama, and the result has been nothing short of disastrous for the country. I really doubt the country can recover from 16 years of this kind of leadership and wild fiscal irresponsibility.

Green Arrow
07-26-2014, 08:33 AM
Yep. We've had two third stringers in a row, Bush and now Obama, and the result has been nothing short of disastrous for the country. I really doubt the country can recover from 16 years of this kind of leadership and wild fiscal irresponsibility.

I was referring to McCain and Romney, too :tongue:

Mainecoons
07-26-2014, 08:39 AM
I don't put Romney in the same class of stupid and incompetent as Bush and Obama. He's a big government Republicrat, yes, but he's a proven leader and has a record of accomplishments.

Green Arrow
07-26-2014, 08:41 AM
I don't put Romney in the same class of stupid and incompetent as Bush and Obama. He's a big government Republicrat, yes, but he's a proven leader and has a record of accomplishments.

The accomplishments aren't all great, and I don't know about the "proven leader" bit. Proven leaders, in my opinion, LEAD. They don't have the problems with flip-flopping that Romney has. They say something and stick with it, regardless of public opinion.

Libhater
07-26-2014, 08:43 AM
I was referring to McCain and Romney, too :tongue:

McCain okay, but Romney may very well be out next president. People realized they made a mistake by staying home and allowing this nation wrecking socialist to bring havoc--they are not about to let the hilabeast do the same. Romney at this time has perhaps the best chance of being the Republican nominee for 2016.

Mainecoons
07-26-2014, 08:44 AM
I was referring to his private career. Romney's big mistake was living in and getting electing to a leftist hell hole like MA. You can't be a conservative and be elected in that state.

Green Arrow
07-26-2014, 08:45 AM
Snip

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-YY8CMZS_rns/Ucreo5q6ANI/AAAAAAAANu8/jMbpvoN66a8/s1600/blah+blah+blah.gif

Green Arrow
07-26-2014, 08:45 AM
I was referring to his private career. Romney's big mistake was living in and getting electing to a leftist hell hole like MA. You can't be a conservative and be elected in that state.

As we learned with Scott Brown.

Mainecoons
07-26-2014, 08:46 AM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Exactly.

Green Arrow
07-26-2014, 08:47 AM
Speaking of Scott Brown, I have a thread I need to start...

Peter1469
07-26-2014, 09:08 AM
The GOP is great at snatching defeat out of the jaws of victory. If the GOP runs Mitt, they will do it again.

Mitt is a good man. But a horrible candidate. There is no way he could win.

countryboy
07-26-2014, 09:14 AM
The accomplishments aren't all great, and I don't know about the "proven leader" bit. Proven leaders, in my opinion, LEAD. They don't have the problems with flip-flopping that Romney has. They say something and stick with it, regardless of public opinion.
When a lefty revises their position, it's pragmatic. When a repub does it, it's flip-flopping. :rolleyes:

The Xl
07-26-2014, 09:16 AM
I don't put Romney in the same class of stupid and incompetent as Bush and Obama. He's a big government Republicrat, yes, but he's a proven leader and has a record of accomplishments.

Accomplishments mean nothing when your goal is to ruin the country. Anyone from a simpleton to a well accomplished person can do that.

Green Arrow
07-26-2014, 09:17 AM
When a lefty revises their position, it's pragmatic. When a repub does it, it's flip-flopping. :rolleyes:

There's a difference between revising your position after careful consideration, and revising your position every time you are in front of a new audience.

And you know better than to accuse me of partisanship, mister.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-HvPB99h1iPU/UF6y8zuzl5I/AAAAAAAAGa0/fdUMbmVUu_E/s1600/tsk_tsk.gif

Libhater
07-26-2014, 09:21 AM
I don't put Romney in the same class of stupid and incompetent as Bush and Obama. He's a big government Republicrat, yes, but he's a proven leader and has a record of accomplishments.

Romney is no big government Republican. You got to stop telling that lie. You got the rest correct--that he's a proven leader and has many business accomplishments--something that is terribly lacking with the current imposter in chief.

countryboy
07-26-2014, 09:21 AM
There's a difference between revising your position after careful consideration, and revising your position every time you are in front of a new audience.

And you know better than to accuse me of partisanship, mister.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-HvPB99h1iPU/UF6y8zuzl5I/AAAAAAAAGa0/fdUMbmVUu_E/s1600/tsk_tsk.gif
I wasn't, I was just being my usual flippant self. :D

Peter1469
07-26-2014, 09:37 AM
When a lefty revises their position, it's pragmatic. When a repub does it, it's flip-flopping. :rolleyes: Only because the MSM is in the tank for the Dems.

Peter1469
07-26-2014, 09:39 AM
Romney is a statist.

Mainecoons
07-26-2014, 11:09 AM
Romney is no big government Republican. You got to stop telling that lie. You got the rest correct--that he's a proven leader and has many business accomplishments--something that is terribly lacking with the current imposter in chief.

Lib, in your own way you're just as deluded by your own partisanship as Cigar is by his.

Zelmo explained this in such a way that anyone could understand it: Obama is driving at a concrete wall at 70 mph. Romney would drive at the same brick wall at 30 mph. I actually would have used 40 or 50 but the point Zelmo made is easy enough to understand and visualize.

The Xl
07-26-2014, 11:19 AM
Romney would have hit the wall just as hard.

Think about it this way, when two people have the same destructive policies,(Interventionist foreign policy, NDAA, Patriot Act, gun control, etc) the guy who's smarter and more experienced will be better suited at getting the nefarious shit done

Mainecoons
07-26-2014, 02:49 PM
Your first part seems contradicted by the second. Surely you don't think Obama is smarter than Romney do you?

Peter1469
07-26-2014, 03:06 PM
Your first part seems contradicted by the second. Surely you don't think Obama is smarter than Romney do you?

Intelligence isn't the issue. Love of government solutions to every problem is the issue.

Mainecoons
07-26-2014, 04:45 PM
I think use of the word "solutions" in the same sentence as "government" these days is a contradiction in terms.

PolWatch
07-26-2014, 04:49 PM
Only because the MSM is in the tank for the Dems.

of course, we're still waiting to see which direction Fox will go...right?

Mainecoons
07-26-2014, 04:52 PM
Let's see

Fox =1
CNN, MSNBC, CBS, NBC, ABC =5

Don't you like those odds?

PolWatch
07-26-2014, 04:55 PM
I'll give ya msnb...the others? nope. I think the score for blatant partisanship is 1 - 1. The others are all over the spectrum...if they are trying to slant one way or the other, they are too incompetent at it to avoid reporting factually most of the time...

Mainecoons
07-26-2014, 04:59 PM
I'm afraid the public doesn't agree with you.

You should consider doing a little homework here.

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=207


Bias in the news media manifests itself most powerfully not in the form of outright, intentional lies, but is most often a function of what reporters choose not to tell their audience; i.e., the facts they purposely omit so as to avoid contradicting the political narrative they wish to advance. As media researchers Tim Groseclose and Jeffrey Milyo put it (http://www.sscnet.ucla.edu/polisci/faculty/groseclose/pdfs/MediaBias.pdf): “[F]or every sin of commission…we believe that there are hundreds, and maybe thousands, of sins of omission – cases where a journalist chose facts or stories that only one side of the political spectrum is likely to mention.”



By no means is such activity the result of an organized campaign or conspiracy. Media expert Bernard Goldberg says: “No, we don’t sit around in dark corners and plan strategies on how we’re going to slant the news. We don’t have to. It comes naturally to most reporters.” Goldberg explains that "a lot of newspeople … got into journalism in the first place" so they could: (a) "change the world and make it a better place," and (b) use their positions as platforms from which to “sho[w] compassion,” which “makes us feel good about ourselves.” 

Expanding further upon this point, Goldberg quotes researcher Robert Lichter of the nonpartisan Center for Media and Public Affairs, who said that journalists increasingly "see themselves as society’s designated saviors," striving to “awaken the national conscience and force public action.” Or as ABC News anchor Peter Jennings (http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=1733) admitted to the Boston Globe in July 2001: “Those of us who went into journalism in the ’50s or ’60s, it was sort of a liberal thing to do: Save the world.”


Here’s a UCLA study on media bias (http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/Media-Bias-Is-Real-Finds-UCLA-6664.aspx).Excerpt:
Of the 20 major media outlets studied, 18 scored left of center, with CBS’ “Evening News,” The New York Times and the Los Angeles Times ranking second, third and fourth most liberal behind the news pages of The Wall Street Journal.
Only Fox News’ “Special Report With Brit Hume” and The Washington Times scored right of the average U.S. voter.
The most centrist outlet proved to be the “NewsHour With Jim Lehrer.” CNN’s “NewsNight With Aaron Brown” and ABC’s “Good Morning America” were a close second and third.
“Our estimates for these outlets, we feel, give particular credibility to our efforts, as three of the four moderators for the 2004 presidential and vice-presidential debates came from these three news outlets — Jim Lehrer, Charlie Gibson and Gwen Ifill,” Groseclose said. “If these newscasters weren’t centrist, staffers for one of the campaign teams would have objected and insisted on other moderators.”
The fourth most centrist outlet was “Special Report With Brit Hume” on Fox News, which often is cited by liberals as an egregious example of a right-wing outlet. While this news program proved to be right of center, the study found ABC’s “World News Tonight” and NBC’s “Nightly News” to be left of center. All three outlets were approximately equidistant from the center, the report found.
“If viewers spent an equal amount of time watching Fox’s ‘Special Report’ as ABC’s ‘World News’ and NBC’s ‘Nightly News,’ then they would receive a nearly perfectly balanced version of the news,” said Milyo, an associate professor of economics and public affairs at the University of Missouri at Columbia.”

Here’s a Harvard University study on media bias (http://newsbusters.org/blogs/terry-trippany/2007/10/30/study-finds-democrats-given-preferential-treatment-msm).
Excerpt:
The programming studied on Fox News offered a somewhat more positive picture… of Republicans and more negative one of Democrats compared with other media outlets. Fox News stories about a Republican candidate were most likely to be neutral (47%), with the remainder more positive than negative (32% vs. 21% negative). The bulk of that positive coverage went to Giuliani (44% positive), while McCain still suffered from unflattering coverage (20% positive vs. 35% negative).
When it came to Democratic candidates, the picture was more negative. Again, neutral stories had a slight edge (39%), followed by 37% negative and 24% positive. And, in marked contrast from the rest of the media, coverage of Obama was twice as negative as positive: 32% negative vs. 16% positive and 52% neutral.
But any sense here that the news channel was uniformly positive about Republicans or negative about Democrats is not manifest in the data.”



And:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/09/19/new-poll-shows-far-more-americans-believe-the-media-have-a-liberal-bias-problem/

The poll was Gallup.


In perhaps the most telling — and decisive — finding in the survey, 46 percent of Americans believe the media are too liberal as compared to the 13 percent who view the media as too conservative.

Peter1469
07-26-2014, 05:04 PM
of course, we're still waiting to see which direction Fox will go...right?
FOX is establishment GOP. Part of the problem.

Fox Business is spot on.

PolWatch
07-26-2014, 05:15 PM
I'm afraid the public doesn't agree with you.

You should consider doing a little homework here.

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=207




And:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/09/19/new-poll-shows-far-more-americans-believe-the-media-have-a-liberal-bias-problem/

The poll was Gallup.



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respected sources...however...as a hardheaded redneck, I use my own survey....me. I check stories using the internet (and even printed papers) and try to arrive at a reasonable idea of the truth. I figure its as good as accepting some paid shill on an opinion show.

PS: I actually like Fox for my local news...but no one cares enough about what is going on around here to try and influence 'em.

Ransom
07-26-2014, 05:56 PM
Checked out would assume at one time he had checked in.

Captain Obvious
07-26-2014, 07:15 PM
I don't put Romney in the same class of stupid and incompetent as Bush and Obama. He's a big government Republicrat, yes, but he's a proven leader and has a record of accomplishments.

Cheney was the brains behind the Bush administration. GW was just an entertaining sock puppet.

PolWatch
07-26-2014, 11:09 PM
I really miss george...biden isn't near as funny. I love political hoof-in-mouth disease....

Redrose
07-27-2014, 01:47 AM
[QUOTE=Captain Obvious;703187]Cheney was the brains behind the Bush administration. GW was just an entertaining sock puppet.[/QUOTE

At least GW was entertaining, the "Dummy in Chief" is embarrassing. Even Soros is laughing at him.

zelmo1234
07-27-2014, 05:01 AM
Yep. We've had two third stringers in a row, Bush and now Obama, and the result has been nothing short of disastrous for the country. I really doubt the country can recover from 16 years of this kind of leadership and wild fiscal irresponsibility.

Well if you look at the not so distant past we had Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter and recovered from that, So I still have hope

zelmo1234
07-27-2014, 05:03 AM
The accomplishments aren't all great, and I don't know about the "proven leader" bit. Proven leaders, in my opinion, LEAD. They don't have the problems with flip-flopping that Romney has. They say something and stick with it, regardless of public opinion.

Using that measuring stick, you would have to give some credit to GWB, would you not?

But you are exactly correct in that Romney chose to try and cover up who he was to appeal to the conservative base, and in this he failed, and we stayed home

zelmo1234
07-27-2014, 05:04 AM
McCain okay, but Romney may very well be out next president. People realized they made a mistake by staying home and allowing this nation wrecking socialist to bring havoc--they are not about to let the hilabeast do the same. Romney at this time has perhaps the best chance of being the Republican nominee for 2016.

Be very carful when voting for a moderate in the primaries. I will stay home again!

zelmo1234
07-27-2014, 05:06 AM
When a lefty revises their position, it's pragmatic. When a repub does it, it's flip-flopping. :rolleyes:

It is because they care.

zelmo1234
07-27-2014, 05:09 AM
Romney is no big government Republican. You got to stop telling that lie. You got the rest correct--that he's a proven leader and has many business accomplishments--something that is terribly lacking with the current imposter in chief.

Romney is in fact a big government solutions guy! look at his record.

Don't get me wrong he is a wonderful person and I would love to have him as a neighbor and a friend, but he would not make the changes that are needed to turn the ship around, and anything short of that, still leads to insolvency

zelmo1234
07-27-2014, 05:11 AM
Intelligence isn't the issue. Love of government solutions to every problem is the issue.

I would like to nominate this for BEST POST OF THE YEAR!

zelmo1234
07-27-2014, 05:13 AM
Let's see

Fox =1
CNN, MSNBC, CBS, NBC, ABC =5

Don't you like those odds?

Actually the liberals don't like those odds!

they only like total compliance with their point of view, that is called tolerance if your are a liberal

Libhater
07-27-2014, 06:16 AM
Romney is in fact a big government solutions guy! look at his record.

Don't get me wrong he is a wonderful person and I would love to have him as a neighbor and a friend, but he would not make the changes that are needed to turn the ship around, and anything short of that, still leads to insolvency

Sorry, but I just haven't seen any examples of him being a big government solutions type of guy. That seems to be a liberal talking point, but now we have many on the right perpetuating that myth. Troubling to say the least.

Peter1469
07-27-2014, 08:18 AM
Sorry, but I just haven't seen any examples of him being a big government solutions type of guy. That seems to be a liberal talking point, but now we have many on the right perpetuating that myth. Troubling to say the least.


That is because you are hard left at heart.

donttread
07-27-2014, 09:15 AM
Once again, we must now rely on the foreign press for the truth about Barack Obama.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/10992654/Barack-Obama-has-already-checked-out-of-his-job.html

Valerie Jarrett and Eric Holder are running the place.

The American president is largely a figure head for the steaming mess of crap that is congress

Peter1469
07-27-2014, 09:22 AM
The American president is largely a figure head for the steaming mess of crap that is congress
For domestic issues, correct.

Chris
07-27-2014, 09:41 AM
Sorry, but I just haven't seen any examples of him being a big government solutions type of guy. That seems to be a liberal talking point, but now we have many on the right perpetuating that myth. Troubling to say the least.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYiUU14F_Co

Redrose
07-27-2014, 11:50 AM
Romney is in fact a big government solutions guy! look at his record.

Don't get me wrong he is a wonderful person and I would love to have him as a neighbor and a friend, but he would not make the changes that are needed to turn the ship around, and anything short of that, still leads to insolvency
He's big business, not big government. Big difference.

Big business creates jobs. Keeps the economy healthy, keeps the dollar strong.
Big government creates big taxes, corruption, waste, red tape, inefficiency.

I have HOPE for a CHANGE in 2016.

Green Arrow
07-27-2014, 11:59 AM
He's big business, not big government. Big difference.

Big business creates jobs. Keeps the economy healthy, keeps the dollar strong.
Big government creates big taxes, corruption, waste, red tape, inefficiency.

I have HOPE for a CHANGE in 2016.

You might as well dispense with that hope, because the likelihood is slim.

The Sage of Main Street
07-27-2014, 12:37 PM
Cheney was the brains behind the Bush administration. GW was just an entertaining sock puppet. Cheney is just a dumb jock who flunked out of college the first two times he went. Then his future wife said she wouldn't marry him unless he got a degree. So he majored in Political Science, a course for dummies. Such Diploma Dumbos only have to temporarily memorize simple-minded political propaganda, with only a superficial understanding, then cram for exams, parrot it back, and forget it after getting the credit.

The Sage of Main Street
07-27-2014, 12:54 PM
He's big business, not big government. Big difference.

Big business creates jobs. Keeps the economy healthy, keeps the dollar strong.
Big government creates big taxes, corruption, waste, red tape, inefficiency.

I have HOPE for a CHANGE in 2016. Businessmen's greed, incompetence, and contempt for other people create all the problems that government is forced to come up with solutions for. People with no self-respect have a pathetic psychological need to make superheroes of these worthless economic bullies. In denial about their gutless slavishness to these parasites, they make up for it by a false sense of pride in protecting their Masters from an imaginary enemy, the government that has to clean up the mess the plutocrats leave behind.