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Bob
07-27-2014, 08:04 PM
http://theweek.com/article/index/265418/speedreads-americans-really-wish-they-elected-mitt-romney-instead-of-obama




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Mitt Romney 2014?
Americans are so down on President Obama at the moment that, if they could do the 2012 election all over again, they'd overwhelmingly back the former Massachusetts governor's bid. That's just one finding in a brutal CNN poll (http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2014/images/07/27/cnn.orc.poll.pdf), released Sunday, which shows Romney topping Obama in a re-election rematch by a whopping nine-point margin, 53 percent to 44 percent. That's an even larger spread than CNN found in November, when a survey had Romney winning a redo 49 percent to 45 percent.
Two years ago, Obama won re-election with about 51 percent of the vote.

Peter1469
07-27-2014, 08:06 PM
God no.

The GOP is dead if it keep running milk toast.

The Xl
07-27-2014, 08:08 PM
And if Romney was the Pres, the numbers would probably be reversed.

People just don't get it. The other guy won't do better, the system is broken to its core.

Captain Obvious
07-27-2014, 08:09 PM
God no.

The GOP is dead if it keep running milk toast.

Clearly the GOP thinks moderates are the way to the promised land.

Bob
07-27-2014, 08:32 PM
Romney could get the job done. Millions of voters believed in the man.

Captain Obvious
07-27-2014, 08:39 PM
Romney could get the job done. Millions of voters believed in the man.

Millions moreso believed in the O'bama.

...for what it's worth.

Bob
07-27-2014, 08:42 PM
Millions moreso believed in the O'bama.

...for what it's worth.

And now they don't.... see op please

Captain Obvious
07-27-2014, 08:43 PM
And now they don't.... see op please

Moral of the story for the unwitting - popular opinion is not often accurate.

Bob
07-27-2014, 08:45 PM
Moral of the story for the unwitting - popular opinion is not often accurate.

No? CNN does inaccurate polls you say?

Matty
07-27-2014, 08:47 PM
Millions moreso believed in the O'bama.

...for what it's worth.
That's because they were with stupid. It's hilarious.

zelmo1234
07-27-2014, 08:49 PM
Romney could get the job done. Millions of voters believed in the man.

I think that Mr. Romney is a good person and a very good business person.

It is possible that on the economy he would have done a better job and I don't think that he would have checked out.

That being said, his solutions would have involved the expansion of Government, and more spending and that is not the solution to the problems that we no face.

I refuse to vote for a big Government solutions person

Captain Obvious
07-27-2014, 08:51 PM
No? CNN does inaccurate polls you say?

G'night Bob

lynn
07-27-2014, 09:01 PM
The outcome would be the same in my opinion.

TheInternet
07-27-2014, 09:14 PM
And if Romney was the Pres, the numbers would probably be reversed.

People just don't get it. The other guy won't do better, the system is broken to its core.

No, the system is working exactly as (the elites) intend it to.

Redrose
07-27-2014, 09:19 PM
God no.

The GOP is dead if it keep running milk toast.
The GOP is not dead, it may be wounded, but not dead. The American voters rejected the GOP in 2008 in a passive aggressive response to Bush, and in doing so, elected an inexperienced radical whose feet are thoroughly planted in theory. Hopefully, the voters in 2016 will use their brains and not their emotions.
This nation will not survive another disaster like Obama.

The Xl
07-27-2014, 09:20 PM
No, the system is working exactly as (the elites) intend it to.

Well, yeah, for sure. It's broken, but intentionally so

Matty
07-27-2014, 09:24 PM
The GOP is not dead, it may be wounded, but not dead. The American voters rejected the GOP in 2008 in a passive aggressive response to Bush, and in doing so, elected an inexperienced radical whose feet are thoroughly planted in theory. Hopefully, the voters in 2016 will use their brains and not their emotions.
This nation will not survive another disaster like Obama.
Rand Paul will never be president. That pisses them off. The libitarians want the GOP to be democrats. Ain't never gonna happen.

Peter1469
07-27-2014, 09:30 PM
The GOP is not dead, it may be wounded, but not dead. The American voters rejected the GOP in 2008 in a passive aggressive response to Bush, and in doing so, elected an inexperienced radical whose feet are thoroughly planted in theory. Hopefully, the voters in 2016 will use their brains and not their emotions.
This nation will not survive another disaster like Obama.
Or another Bush.

Bob
07-27-2014, 09:34 PM
I think that Mr. Romney is a good person and a very good business person.

It is possible that on the economy he would have done a better job and I don't think that he would have checked out.

That being said, his solutions would have involved the expansion of Government, and more spending and that is not the solution to the problems that we no face.

I refuse to vote for a big Government solutions person

Where did you get the idea he was pro big government?

Peter1469
07-27-2014, 09:44 PM
Because he is.

Matty
07-27-2014, 09:46 PM
Because he is.
Nope

Bob
07-27-2014, 09:47 PM
I think this story is very fair to Mitt Romney

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/2012/president/2012/12/23/the-story-behind-mitt-romney-loss-the-presidential-campaign-president-obama/2QWkUB9pJgVIi1mAcIhQjL/story.html

This is very short. The link story is much more complete

One of the gravest errors, many say, was the Romney team’s failure, until too late in the campaign, to sell voters on the candidate’s personal qualities and leadership gifts. The effect was to open the way for Obama to define Romney through an early blitz of negative advertising. Election Day polls showed that the vast majority of voters concluded that Romney did not really care about average people.
These failures are now the subject of scrutiny by national GOP officials who say they plan to “reverse engineer” the Romney effort to understand what went wrong. A number of Romney’s top aides stressed in interviews that, while they remain proud of their work, they feel an obligation to acknowledge their numerous mistakes so lessons are learned.
Rich Beeson, the Romney political director who coauthored the now-discredited Ohio memo, said that only after the election did he realize what Obama was doing with so much manpower on the ground. Obama had more than 3,000 paid workers nationwide, compared with 500 for Romney, and hundreds of thousands of volunteers.

Bob
07-27-2014, 09:50 PM
The trouble with Mitt Romney is he is so very nice. The man had to be persuaded to run for office. His son came up with great ideas yet Romney's manager did not use them.

Then Obama roared back to use a smear piece about 47 percent of voters.

Bob
07-27-2014, 09:51 PM
Obama copied GW Bush campaign operations. Read story above I posted link to.

Peter1469
07-27-2014, 09:54 PM
If the GOP doesn't wise up it will go the way for the Whigs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whig_Party_(United_States)).

sachem
07-27-2014, 09:56 PM
Romney? Wasn't he that liberal Republican governor of MA?

del
07-27-2014, 09:56 PM
the budget went up every year when he was gov.

Matty
07-27-2014, 10:00 PM
If the GOP doesn't wise up it will go the way for the Whigs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whig_Party_(United_States)).
Better than being democrats. You guys deserve democrats. It's working out so well for you and the country right?

Bob
07-27-2014, 10:01 PM
Romney? Wasn't he that liberal Republican governor of MA?

MA definitely is Democrat operated. But they gave Romney a chance and managed to get state run helth care.

But that does not make him a so called liberal .... what the hell is that by the way?

Why can't they say Republican or Democrat and stop using these phony titles?

Peter1469
07-27-2014, 10:09 PM
Better than being democrats. You guys deserve democrats. It's working out so well for you and the country right?

Same coin. Different sides. I won't vote for failure.

momsapplepie
07-27-2014, 10:10 PM
Or another Bush.

or another Clinton.

Bob
07-27-2014, 10:10 PM
the budget went up every year when he was gov.

This twisted piece is by fact check. I call it twisted since it takes true numbers then tries to spin them to something else.

If you like not raising income taxes, he did very good. The rap is he ..(was that he or democrats running MA) added millions of dollars in fees. So he did not raise taxes and that was his claim. Fees unlike taxes are voluntary in nature. Don't pay the fee and don't hunt for instance.

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/06/romneys-jobs-record-is-best-or-worst/

There is no sign that the spending of MA went up other than what was used for health care. That is kind of like a DOH.

Matty
07-27-2014, 10:13 PM
Same coin. Different sides. I won't vote for failure.
You got Obama didn't you? A no for Romney was a yes for Obama. Enjoy the next two years.

Peter1469
07-27-2014, 10:17 PM
You got Obama didn't you? A no for Romney was a yes for Obama. Enjoy the next two years.
Bull shit. The two party system is a fraud and you support it. You are the problem.

Matty
07-27-2014, 10:18 PM
Bull shit. The two party system is a fraud and you support it. You are the problem.
Yeah yeah yeah. Try living in the real world.

Peter1469
07-27-2014, 10:21 PM
OK.

Are you ready for the collapse coming? I am. You can vote for tools.

Matty
07-27-2014, 10:28 PM
OK.

Are you ready for the collapse coming? I am. You can vote for tools.


I reckon. I didn't put Obama in office by voting third party. But, I'm gonna suffer right alongside of the rest of you. So what comes comes.

Bob
07-27-2014, 10:35 PM
Bull shit. The two party system is a fraud and you support it. You are the problem.

Peter peter peter

I realize you talk this way due to your army rank

Not that I blame you

But since when has any third party come close to winning?

I can't see a Lt. Col taking boy scouts on a mission you need highly trained special forces to accomplish

The third party, no matter what you might think of them, has no track record. They are called 3rd party for that reason.

Me, I want a proven person.

sachem
07-27-2014, 10:35 PM
MA definitely is Democrat operated. But they gave Romney a chance and managed to get state run helth care.

But that does not make him a so called liberal .... what the hell is that by the way?

Why can't they say Republican or Democrat and stop using these phony titles?Some like the labels.

Green Arrow
07-27-2014, 11:30 PM
If we re-did the 2012 election, I would vote for Jill Stein.

TheInternet
07-27-2014, 11:36 PM
Peter peter peter

I realize you talk this way due to your army rank

Not that I blame you

But since when has any third party come close to winning?

I can't see a Lt. Col taking boy scouts on a mission you need highly trained special forces to accomplish

The third party, no matter what you might think of them, has no track record. They are called 3rd party for that reason.

Me, I want a proven person.

You want a "proven" person? "Proven" like Obama or Mitt?

I think you should append your qualification of "proven" with "to uphold the establishment which is ass fucking common people".

There ya go.

You're voting for Obama, or MccCain, or Mittens, or anyone else "proven to uphold the establishment which is ass fucking common people".

They should run on that in '16. "Donkephant: Proven to fuck you in the ass."

Me? I'll take my chances on someone not "proven". Each year, the donkephant gets bigger and more powerful, and my poor ass just can't take any more.

Redrose
07-28-2014, 12:39 AM
If we re-did the 2012 election, I would vote for Jill Stein.

Wow!

Bob
07-28-2014, 12:52 AM
Wow!

Jill stein????

Pouting is all that amounts to

Bob
07-28-2014, 12:53 AM
You want a "proven" person? "Proven" like Obama or Mitt?

I think you should append your qualification of "proven" with "to uphold the establishment which is ass fucking common people".

There ya go.

You're voting for Obama, or MccCain, or Mittens, or anyone else "proven to uphold the establishment which is ass fucking common people".

They should run on that in '16. "Donkephant: Proven to fuck you in the ass."

Me? I'll take my chances on someone not "proven". Each year, the donkephant gets bigger and more powerful, and my poor ass just can't take any more.

Well, you will be supporting losers for the rest of your life.

Me, at times I will win.

Green Arrow
07-28-2014, 01:07 AM
Jill stein????

Pouting is all that amounts to

You could not pay me to care.

darroll
07-28-2014, 02:05 AM
I'm voting Tea Party not gop.
Thanks gop for the mess we are in.

Libhater
07-28-2014, 06:53 AM
God no.

The GOP is dead if it keep running milk toast.

I guess it just flew over your head that Romney would beat an Obama and presumably an Obama dem clone by 9 points. You must have faith that the American people are going to totally forget about the 8 year disaster Obama and his socialist policies burdened the American people with come 2016. I'm not as pessimistic as you are. BTW, odds are great that Romney will be our next president and all that nonsense that he is this big government spending Republican will go out the door along with the past 8 years of socialism, and hopefully the democrat party as well. What the American people will have to stop is all the lying about Romney from guys like you, who only help the democratic cause come election time.

Peter1469
07-28-2014, 06:55 AM
3rd party.

Kill the donkeyphont.

Libhater
07-28-2014, 06:58 AM
3rd party.

Kill the donkeyphont.

Yeah, another proponent of suicide. Goodbye America.

Peter1469
07-28-2014, 07:00 AM
Yeah, another proponent of suicide. Goodbye America.
Yes, the GOP is killing America.

Libhater
07-28-2014, 07:24 AM
Yes, the GOP is killing America.

No, socialism is killing America and you know it.

zelmo1234
07-28-2014, 07:25 AM
Where did you get the idea he was pro big government?

First you have to look at his record as the Gov. Very large government programs that burden the state to this day.

Second you have to listen to his solutions, It is always about the government providing something or doing something, never about ending something

zelmo1234
07-28-2014, 07:28 AM
Better than being democrats. You guys deserve democrats. It's working out so well for you and the country right?

Yes he was the lesser of two evils if you will.

But I and many conservatives and true libertarians, have come to the conclusion that the lesser of two evils is still evil.

So I am not going to vote that way any longer. If the GOP continues to nominate moderates? Then they will not receive my vote.

Peter1469
07-28-2014, 07:29 AM
No, socialism is killing America and you know it.

Statism. There is no real socialism in the US.

And your GOP is statist.

zelmo1234
07-28-2014, 07:37 AM
I reckon. I didn't put Obama in office by voting third party. But, I'm gonna suffer right alongside of the rest of you. So what comes comes.

What you have to understand is that neither Romney or Obama, or McCain would have prevented the collapse that is coming. They would hit the wall at different speeds, but they still are going to hit the wall.

Speaking as a Constitutional conservative there are 2 ways to get back to the conservative, small government, policies outlined in the constitution.

#1 is to have a leader that is actually willing to make the tough choices to turn away from the wall

#2 is hit the wall and have the progressives have to tell all of the people that are getting free stuff, that it is over, there is no money. The second way is a bitch, and it will bring 10 to 20 years of depression like living, and I mean real depression where people actually starve to death in the USA

But on the other side will be the federalism and states rights outlined in the constitution.

If you want to vote to hit the wall, by all means that is your right, I will continue to prepare to hit the wall so I can be a blessing to as many as possible through the time of rebuilding, but I will only vote for those willing to turn from the wall

And if we have to het that wall to get things back on track, lets hit the darn wall doing 70 and be done with it all the sooner

zelmo1234
07-28-2014, 07:42 AM
Peter peter peter

I realize you talk this way due to your army rank

Not that I blame you

But since when has any third party come close to winning?

I can't see a Lt. Col taking boy scouts on a mission you need highly trained special forces to accomplish

The third party, no matter what you might think of them, has no track record. They are called 3rd party for that reason.

Me, I want a proven person.

The republican party was a third party. And Ross Perot did a pretty good job! Had we actually elected the little Guy the outsourcing problem we have today would have been delayed by 4 or 8 years, and who knows maybe forever.

If you want to continue to support the road to insolvency and the troubles that we see in countries like Greece, that is your right to do so! But understand that when we hit the wall, there will be no social safety net, SS will be cut dramatically, there will be NO welfare system, Disability for nearly everyone will cease!

These are the things that the GOP is still bringing to you, but at a slower pace

Captain Obvious
07-28-2014, 07:43 AM
What you have to understand is that neither Romney or Obama, or McCain would have prevented the collapse that is coming. They would hit the wall at different speeds, but they still are going to hit the wall.

Speaking as a Constitutional conservative there are 2 ways to get back to the conservative, small government, policies outlined in the constitution.

#1 is to have a leader that is actually willing to make the tough choices to turn away from the wall

#2 is hit the wall and have the progressives have to tell all of the people that are getting free stuff, that it is over, there is no money. The second way is a bitch, and it will bring 10 to 20 years of depression like living, and I mean real depression where people actually starve to death in the USA

But on the other side will be the federalism and states rights outlined in the constitution.

If you want to vote to hit the wall, by all means that is your right, I will continue to prepare to hit the wall so I can be a blessing to as many as possible through the time of rebuilding, but I will only vote for those willing to turn from the wall

And if we have to het that wall to get things back on track, lets hit the darn wall doing 70 and be done with it all the sooner

It's the Cigar's and Matalese's of the world who are going to guarantee that our political system keeps electing the same Wall Street funded shill who's sole purpose is to expand government and limit your rights and freedoms.

And you're wasting your breath trying to explain this to them, they have already been irreversably assimilated.

zelmo1234
07-28-2014, 07:44 AM
Well, you will be supporting losers for the rest of your life.

Me, at times I will win.

I don not call having a big spending Republican in office winning, that is the difference.

zelmo1234
07-28-2014, 07:45 AM
You could not pay me to care.

Oh come on, they could pay me to care? Not to change my vote but for enough money, I would pretend to care :)

zelmo1234
07-28-2014, 07:48 AM
I guess it just flew over your head that Romney would beat an Obama and presumably an Obama dem clone by 9 points. You must have faith that the American people are going to totally forget about the 8 year disaster Obama and his socialist policies burdened the American people with come 2016. I'm not as pessimistic as you are. BTW, odds are great that Romney will be our next president and all that nonsense that he is this big government spending Republican will go out the door along with the past 8 years of socialism, and hopefully the democrat party as well. What the American people will have to stop is all the lying about Romney from guys like you, who only help the democratic cause come election time.

The conservatives will not turn out for Romney, and the Women will vote for Hilary, without the 5 to 7 million conservative votes that did not turn out last time, he loses to Hilary.

Think about that when you are casting your primary vote. If it is Democrat light. the conservatives will stay home. Using Bob analogy, a vote for Romney in the Primary is a vote for Hilary

zelmo1234
07-28-2014, 07:49 AM
No, socialism is killing America and you know it.

Romney brought socialized medicine to MA

Libhater
07-28-2014, 07:54 AM
I don not call having a big spending Republican in office winning, that is the difference.

You have yet to point to examples of Romney being a big spending Republican. He is just the opposite as his private and public life proves. Hope you haven't fallen in with others here who use liberal talking points and lies of Romney to make a point, and to help give a true socialist like the hilabeast an easy path to victory.

Mainecoons
07-28-2014, 08:05 AM
The GOP is not dead, it may be wounded, but not dead. The American voters rejected the GOP in 2008 in a passive aggressive response to Bush, and in doing so, elected an inexperienced radical whose feet are thoroughly planted in theory. Hopefully, the voters in 2016 will use their brains and not their emotions.
This nation will not survive another disaster like Obama.

The majority of the voters don't have brains. They simply respond to whomever promises them the most. If the majority of the voters had brains, there would be a general realization that the country is well on the way to a fiscal melt down and serious calls to do something about it.

If you think the majority of the voters have brains, suggest that the retired generation, of which I am a member, should give up one nickel in "benefits" to help deal with the impending bankruptcy of the U.S.

Matty
07-28-2014, 08:17 AM
The majority of the voters don't have brains. They simply respond to whomever promises them the most. If the majority of the voters had brains, there would be a general realization that the country is well on the way to a fiscal melt down and serious calls to do something about it.

If you think the majority of the voters have brains, suggest that the retired generation, of which I am a member, should give up one nickel in "benefits" to help deal with the impending bankruptcy of the U.S.
But that's not exactly being "given stuff" that's money that was ours that they took from us involuntarily. And we have given up nickels, haven't we skipped some colas? No, we're going bankrupt because congress, the lobbyists and just flat out government waste and fraud not to mention huge populations of illegals are sucking us dry. There are no jobs, we're in inflation wether or not the government wants to admit it. We spend way too much on foreign aid and to top it all off the Feds just keep printing more and more fake money.

Mainecoons
07-28-2014, 08:24 AM
You see what I mean?

Everyone sucking at the Federal tit has a justification for it. SS recipients of my generation are taking out far, far more than we put in. The thing is nothing but a Ponzi scheme. Yes, it can be prolonged a bit by cutting off all of those who have paid in nothing and also cracking down on disability fraud. But that is just addressing the side issues, the core issue is that the thing is unsound on an actuarial basis and Medicare is even more so.

You don't have jobs, other than for government parasites, because government simply makes it unprofitable and too much trouble to employ Americans. So the jobs leave. And now the companies are starting to leave because of the world's highest business taxes and constant hassle from the IRS.

This thing has reached the point where ONLY a massive downsizing of government at the Federal level and in many states would make a difference. And there's simply no political will for that because it would have to cut the entitlement state drastically. There would be a lag period between that and the revival of the economy and no one would tolerate it.

The reset will come when the borrowed money runs out. Not before.

Matty
07-28-2014, 08:52 AM
You see what I mean?

Everyone sucking at the Federal tit has a justification for it. SS recipients of my generation are taking out far, far more than we put in. The thing is nothing but a Ponzi scheme. Yes, it can be prolonged a bit by cutting off all of those who have paid in nothing and also cracking down on disability fraud. But that is just addressing the side issues, the core issue is that the thing is unsound on an actuarial basis and Medicare is even more so.

You don't have jobs, other than for government parasites, because government simply makes it unprofitable and too much trouble to employ Americans. So the jobs leave. And now the companies are starting to leave because of the world's highest business taxes and constant hassle from the IRS.

This thing has reached the point where ONLY a massive downsizing of government at the Federal level and in many states would make a difference. And there's simply no political will for that because it would have to cut the entitlement state drastically. There would be a lag period between that and the revival of the economy and no one would tolerate it.

The reset will come when the borrowed money runs out. Not before.
Well little old Paul Ryan is your man. He is good with the budget. Now my question to you is are you willing to give up social security? How about your Medicare? Had they left all that money in my hands I would have taken care of it. But they didn't. They tok it away from me.

Captain Obvious
07-28-2014, 08:53 AM
You have yet to point to examples of Romney being a big spending Republican. He is just the opposite as his private and public life proves. Hope you haven't fallen in with others here who use liberal talking points and lies of Romney to make a point, and to help give a true socialist like the hilabeast an easy path to victory.

Romneycare.

You simply cannot deny that GW was a big spender also.

Libhater
07-28-2014, 08:57 AM
Romneycare.

You simply cannot deny that GW was a big spender also.

I've already gone over the fact that GW was a big spender, but not until he assumed the role as a lame duck president shortly after the dems took control of congress in 2007. I have a lot say about Romney, but I don't have time right now. Later.

Captain Obvious
07-28-2014, 08:58 AM
I've already gone over the fact that GW was a big spender, but not until he assumed the role as a lame duck president shortly after the dems took control of congress in 2007. I have a lot say about Romney, but I don't have time right now. Later.

So you agree with me then, good.

Mainecoons
07-28-2014, 09:00 AM
Well little old Paul Ryan is your man. He is good with the budget. Now my question to you is are you willing to give up social security? How about your Medicare? Had they left all that money in my hands I would have taken care of it. But they didn't. They tok it away from me.

It is not a matter of giving it all up. It is a matter of giving up some of it. My generation isn't willing to give up any of it.

The SS and Medicare taxes on working people have been raised massively over the last 20 years in an attempt to keep the Ponzi going. It isn't working.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2013/feb/01/medicare-and-social-security-what-you-paid-what-yo/

What did our generation do to stop the squandering of the trust funds by the politicians?

Nothing.

Matty
07-28-2014, 09:06 AM
It is not a matter of giving it all up. It is a matter of giving up some of it. My generation isn't willing to give up any of it.

The SS and Medicare taxes on working people have been raised massively over the last 20 years in an attempt to keep the Ponzi going. It isn't working.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2013/feb/01/medicare-and-social-security-what-you-paid-what-yo/

What did our generation do to stop the squandering of the trust funds by the politicians?

Nothing.
They're still squandering and still nothing is done. Do you think for one second if you gave a share of yours back that they would use it wisely?

Mainecoons
07-28-2014, 09:24 AM
No. Do you think for one moment that the long term fiscal bleeding of the U.S. is solvable without addressing these programs?

Matty
07-28-2014, 09:29 AM
No. Do you think for one moment that the long term fiscal bleeding of the U.S. is solvable without addressing these programs?

No but what I am saying is that giving it back won't solve it either. They will just find something else to piss it away on. Hell they're still sending checks to dead people. So until someone brings the hammer down on fraud and waste an theft. Hell I'd be pissed to know I gave my ss back so that some butt hole could go buy pot with it.

Mainecoons
07-28-2014, 09:50 AM
That's a separate issue. Clearly this would have to be addressed as part of a fiscal reform that would prevent this government from printing and spending money it doesn't have.

This is an academic discussion. There is no political will in the U.S. to avert the coming fiscal melt down. There are far too many people getting entitlements for any preventive reforms to happen.

The country has gone beyond the point of no return on deficit spending.

Captain Obvious
07-28-2014, 09:58 AM
So until someone brings the hammer down on fraud and waste an theft.

Someone, but not you.

Matty
07-28-2014, 10:02 AM
That's a separate issue. Clearly this would have to be addressed as part of a fiscal reform that would prevent this government from printing and spending money it doesn't have.

This is an academic discussion. There is no political will in the U.S. to avert the coming fiscal melt down. There are far too many people getting entitlements for any preventive reforms to happen.

The country has gone beyond the point of no return on deficit spending.
You are correct on that. Down is where we're headed. There will be much knashing of teeth and finger pointing. Rioting will ensue, looting and anarchy. Greece redux. Better hide some money away.

Matty
07-28-2014, 10:04 AM
Someone, but not you.
I don't engage in fraud or waste, how about yourself?

Captain Obvious
07-28-2014, 10:14 AM
I don't engage in fraud or waste

But you support it and encourage it.

You elect it into office and do nothing beyond complain about it online.

The Xl
07-28-2014, 10:16 AM
Love when the small government Neocons expect me and others to pay for their Social Security

Dat small government.

And no, I don't care that you paid in. You guys supported and grew the scheme, one that won't even be there for me, hell, it might not even be there for my freaking mom for Gods sake.

Libhater
07-28-2014, 11:11 AM
Love when the small government Neocons expect me and others to pay for their Social Security

Dat small government.

And no, I don't care that you paid in. You guys supported and grew the scheme, one that won't even be there for me, hell, it might not even be there for my freaking mom for Gods sake.

Who exactly supported social security? George Bush presented a proposal to congress to privatize SS, and every Republican I know has always been against most any if not all of the New Deal and Great Society Programs. Republicans and Conservatives alike have always been for privatizing SS and having private medical accounts etc.

Peter1469
07-28-2014, 11:58 AM
It's the Cigar's and Matalese's of the world who are going to guarantee that our political system keeps electing the same Wall Street funded shill who's sole purpose is to expand government and limit your rights and freedoms.

And you're wasting your breath trying to explain this to them, they have already been irreversably assimilated.

That is the plan.

PolWatch
07-28-2014, 12:05 PM
year 14 of the Bush presidency...no wonder EVERYONE is p.o.'d...

Ransom
07-28-2014, 12:22 PM
year 14 of the Bush presidency...no wonder EVERYONE is p.o.'d...

Except for Sotomayor or Kagan who were nominated in Bush's what.....11th year?

Matty
07-28-2014, 03:10 PM
But you support it and encourage it.

You elect it into office and do nothing beyond complain about it online.
Bull sheet.

Matty
07-28-2014, 03:12 PM
That is the plan.
Well you need to find someone who's worth a toot but so far you 're failing badly.

Bob
07-28-2014, 03:24 PM
I'm voting Tea Party not gop.
Thanks gop for the mess we are in.


Is the Tea party on ballots? Not in California.

Mainecoons
07-28-2014, 03:38 PM
America's not very sorry and this poll sure shows they still don't get it as the same poll has Hillary beating Romney pretty badly.

Polls like this are pretty stupid. The most interesting thing about this one is that it is from CNN whose polls tend to be skewed left. That would explain the Hillary result and suggest that a significant part of the left has really gotten what a big fat mistake they made here by not nominating Hillary to begin with.

darroll
07-28-2014, 03:40 PM
Is the Tea party on ballots? Not in California.I don't know. I had a fake Tea Party group dun me of money until I checked and it was not the tea party. (GOP?)
Have we forgot America hates religious people.
Maybe the GOP will run a dope smoking, womanizer, Tranny for president. This might win the next election.
Save your money and let Hilary win.

Ransom
07-28-2014, 03:47 PM
America's not very sorry and this poll sure shows they still don't get it as the same poll has Hillary beating Romney pretty badly.

Polls like this are pretty stupid. The most interesting thing about this one is that it is from CNN whose polls tend to be skewed left. That would explain the Hillary result and suggest that a significant part of the left has really gotten what a big fat mistake they made here by not nominating Hillary to begin with.

I think polls can certainly show trends and it does show Obama's numbers dropping all around. But I also did see the part where they'd elect Hillary over Romney...but that I don't believe is a fair question to ask. Even many Republicans wouldn't vote for Romney.

Ransom
07-28-2014, 03:49 PM
I don't know. I had a fake Tea Party group dun me of money until I checked and it was not the tea party. (GOP?)
Have we forgot America hates religious people.
Maybe the GOP will run a dope smoking, womanizer, Tranny for president. This might win the next election.
Save your money and let Hilary win.

What? Well I wanna nominate Debt Clock then!!!

Bob
07-28-2014, 04:05 PM
I don't know. I had a fake Tea Party group dun me of money until I checked and it was not the tea party. (GOP?)
Have we forgot America hates religious people.
Maybe the GOP will run a dope smoking, womanizer, Tranny for president. This might win the next election.
Save your money and let Hilary win.

The tea party material I receive favors Republicans.

Say,have you heard of a man named Martin O'Malley? He is going to run in the Democrat election in 2016

texan
07-28-2014, 04:36 PM
Romney is the best man for the job IMO.

I like Rand Paul quite a bit at this time, but might consider Romney again.

Peter1469
07-28-2014, 05:07 PM
If Romeny is running, who is on the 3rd party list?

Green Arrow
07-28-2014, 05:08 PM
If Romeny is running, who is on the 3rd party list?

Jill Stein and Gary Johnson again, if I'm not mistaken.

Peter1469
07-28-2014, 05:35 PM
great

darroll
07-28-2014, 05:46 PM
The tea party material I receive favors Republicans.

Say,have you heard of a man named Martin O'Malley? He is going to run in the Democrat election in 2016
No, who is this Martin Guy? Rand looked good until he went left.
We need a leader that don't think they owe the people that voted for them a favor.

Mainecoons
07-28-2014, 05:58 PM
He's a liberal Democrat from the government state of Maryland. Sky high taxes and toll roads on top of that. More damn government workers and welfare cases in Baltimore than you could count.