760 Illegals Dumped In Tennessee - Without Requested Notification

[Green Arrow]

Via The Washington Times (http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jul/28/tennessee-gov-haslam-slams-white-house-secret-dump/):


Gov. Bill Haslam said he only learned of the White House’s dumping of 760 illegal immigrants in Tennessee after seeing a notification on the Health and Human Services website — and that’s even after he had asked the Obama administration to give him advance notice of any illegals who were on their way to his state.

Mr. Haslam said he and several other governors “met with Health and Human Services Secretary Sylvia Burwell [and] emphasized to Secretary Burwell the need to be informed of any children being relocated to our states,” Breitbart reported.


He then said 700 illegal minor-aged immigrants were recently sent to Tennessee, but he received no notification at all.

Gov. Bill Haslam said he only learned of the White House’s dumping of 760 illegal immigrants in Tennessee after seeing a notification on the Health and Human Services website — and that’s even after he had asked the Obama administration to give him advance notice of any illegals who were on their way to his state.


Mr. Haslam said he and several other governors “met with Health and Human Services Secretary Sylvia Burwell [and] emphasized to Secretary Burwell the need to be informed of any children being relocated to our states,” Breitbart reported.


He then said 700 illegal minor-aged immigrants were recently sent to Tennessee, but he received no notification at all.


“It is unacceptable that we become aware via a posting on the HHS website that 760 unaccompanied children have been released by the Office of Refugee Resettlement to sponsors in Tennessee without my administration’s knowledge,” he said in a letter to President Obama and Ms. Burwell, Breitbart reported.


“Not only was our state not informed prior to any of the children being brought here, I still have not been contacted and have no information about these individuals or their sponsors other than what was posted on the HHS website and subsequently reported by media,” he wrote in the letter.


He also said that the dumping of the illegals in his state — and in other states — could severely impact the financial coffers, Breitbart reported.


“The start of school is approaching for many districts across the state, and the federal government’s actions have caused great uncertainty around this issue,” Mr. Haslam said, Breitbart reported.

This is fucking bullshit, man. Dump them in fucking Illinois, you bastard! Make your own state take responsibility!

[warwulf]

I'd suggest a National Guard and civilian joint operation in which they escort the illegal, turd world scum BACK to the bus! Those who refuse may be shot for sport.

[Libhater]

I would agree they should dump them in Obama's home state, but seeing how his current residency is at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave, I would suggest they dump them all in front of the White House and make sure the idiots at MSNBC are there to film it live and in color.

[Green Arrow]

I'd suggest a National Guard and civilian joint operation in which they escort the illegal, turd world scum BACK to the bus! Those who refuse may be shot for sport.

Unfortunately, the administration is refusing to tell our state government just where they dumped them.

[1751_Texan]

“It is unacceptable that we become aware via a posting on the HHS website that 760 unaccompanied children have been released by the Office of Refugee Resettlement to sponsors in Tennessee without my administration’s knowledge,” he said in a letter to President Obama and Ms. Burwell, Breitbart reported.

That does not sound like "dumping".

Maybe the Governor can get congress to pass a resolution that the federal government notify the governors personally of any and every action the federal government takes in their state. Yeah that sounds feasible.

[Green Arrow]

That does not sound like "dumping".

Maybe the Governor can get congress to pass a resolution that the federal government notify the governors personally of any and every action the federal government takes in their state. Yeah that sounds feasible.

No, you're right. It's a much better idea to just drop them off in the state without prior notification so states can't make sure they are financially prepared for the massive influx of new residents.

[Ransom]

Unfortunately, the administration is refusing to tell our state government just where they dumped them.

You Communists build them a commune.

[midcan5]

When are they going to learn, listen, a little light colored make-up and a big crucifix on their t-shirt and voila instant acceptance in white Christian America. When are they going to learn, one must play the game according to both the theocracy and plutocracy that rule America today, work for nothing, pray for salvation. Come on folks get with it.

'They’Re Only ‘Illegals’ If They’Re Brown - American Conservatives Welcome Immigrants—Just So Long As They're White Christians'
http://www.vice.com/read/theyre-only-illegals-if-theyre-brown


"The key to getting asylum in the United States is to be white, socially conservative, and really into Jesus—or at least that’s the lesson imparted by the US government’s decision not to deport a family running away from Germany’s educational system. And conservatives—the same sort who complain about immigrants destroying our culture, insofar as we have one—couldn’t be happier."

[Green Arrow]

When are they going to learn, listen, a little light colored make-up and a big crucifix on their t-shirt and voila instant acceptance in white Christian America. When are they going to learn, one must play the game according to both the theocracy and plutocracy that rule America today, work for nothing, pray for salvation. Come on folks get with it.

'They’Re Only ‘Illegals’ If They’Re Brown - American Conservatives Welcome Immigrants—Just So Long As They're White Christians'
http://www.vice.com/read/theyre-only-illegals-if-theyre-brown


"The key to getting asylum in the United States is to be white, socially conservative, and really into Jesus—or at least that’s the lesson imparted by the US government’s decision not to deport a family running away from Germany’s educational system. And conservatives—the same sort who complain about immigrants destroying our culture, insofar as we have one—couldn’t be happier."
midcan5, help a fellow progressive out and answer me this:

How does it help American workers who desperately need jobs, MOST OF THE UNEMPLOYED BEING MINORITIES, if you flood what little jobs are left with a foreign workforce?

[Montoya]

lol Washington Times.

[Matty]

​this would never have happened under Romney. Just saying! :)

[Green Arrow]

lol Washington Times.

And also the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. (http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/orr/programs/ucs/state-by-state-uc-placed-sponsors)

Got another smartass remark?

[Green Arrow]

​this would never have happened under Romney. Just saying! :)

Well, he was unelectable, so we'll never know. Get back on topic.

[Matty]

karma is when you vote for the devil just to stick it to the GOP. Just saying! :)

[Green Arrow]

karma is when you vote for the devil just to stick it to the GOP. Just saying! :)

Intelligence is when you realize that your vote is meaningless no matter who you vote for.

The topic. Get back onto it.

[Matty]

Well, he was unelectable, so we'll never know. Get back on topic.


​he was very electable. :).

[Green Arrow]

​he was very electable. :).

Obviously not, he lost.

[Matty]

this is just the first wave, you'll get more. Karma karma,

[Matty]

Intelligence is when you realize that your vote is meaningless no matter who you vote for.

The topic. Get back onto it.




​so you keep saying but then one has to wonder why you went to vote? I think it's just a dodge.

[Green Arrow]

​so you keep saying but then one has to wonder why you went to vote? I think it's just a dodge.

I went to vote because I had nothing better to do and it made me feel good about myself. But I've already proven that our votes are meaningless. The electoral college picks the President, not the people.

[Matty]

​ya'll did a good job picking Obama, we still have two years of his special brand of entertainment. :)

[Common Sense]

No, you're right. It's a much better idea to just drop them off in the state without prior notification so states can't make sure they are financially prepared for the massive influx of new residents.

700 children in an entire state is a massive influx?

The vast majority of these kids, in fact I think all of them, have been placed with their own family members in the state.

Massive influx...pffftt.

[Mainecoons]

Have you shared with us how many illegals Canada is taking this week?

[sachem]

Have you shared with us how many illegals Canada is taking this week?We shipped our illegal Irish up there.

[Matty]

Have you shared with us how many illegals Canada is taking this week?
:biglaugh::biglaugh::biglaugh::biglaugh:

[Common Sense]

Have you shared with us how many illegals Canada is taking this week?

Canada takes in about 10,000 refugees a year on top of the 250,000 regular immigrants.

I'm sure if they showed up at the border they could be processed. Maybe they don't like the weather.

[zelmo1234]

Via The Washington Times (http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jul/28/tennessee-gov-haslam-slams-white-house-secret-dump/):



This is fucking bullshit, man. Dump them in fucking Illinois, you bastard! Make your own state take responsibility!

Hell you voted for him? :)

But on the serious side, that are a hell of a lot of rooms in the Whitehouse that are not used, they could taka bunch of them there, they the Obama girls will have someone to play with!

[PolWatch]

maybe McCain's proposed law forbidding advance knowledge of the movement of buses containing the illegals is being put in action? (those wily repubs, forbid knowledge of movement & then publicize 'secret' movements). That way, they can complain about everything!!! oh, the possibilities!

[zelmo1234]

When are they going to learn, listen, a little light colored make-up and a big crucifix on their t-shirt and voila instant acceptance in white Christian America. When are they going to learn, one must play the game according to both the theocracy and plutocracy that rule America today, work for nothing, pray for salvation. Come on folks get with it.

'They’Re Only ‘Illegals’ If They’Re Brown - American Conservatives Welcome Immigrants—Just So Long As They're White Christians'
http://www.vice.com/read/theyre-only-illegals-if-theyre-brown


"The key to getting asylum in the United States is to be white, socially conservative, and really into Jesus—or at least that’s the lesson imparted by the US government’s decision not to deport a family running away from Germany’s educational system. And conservatives—the same sort who complain about immigrants destroying our culture, insofar as we have one—couldn’t be happier."

IN large part the Church is trying to care for them while they are here.

I know that liberals such as yourself really want the voting population, but you won't see any liberal organizasions down on the border trying to provide healthcare, clothing, food and water for these illegals.

You really don't give a shit about them accept for on voting day.

So stop the BS and do something to take care of them. Because the government can't they are broke.

[zelmo1234]

@midcan5 (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=765), help a fellow progressive out and answer me this:

How does it help American workers who desperately need jobs, MOST OF THE UNEMPLOYED BEING MINORITIES, if you flood what little jobs are left with a foreign workforce?

What if getting jobs for the Minorities that do not have jobs is not what the progressives want to accomplish?

What if they are actually trying to get more people totally dependent on the government so they can control their every movement and thoughts,

[Common Sense]

Oh Jesus...

[zelmo1234]

lol Washington Times.

I agree, can you post some information from a credible source that would show that the information is wrong?

???? ?????

Thought not!

[zelmo1234]

And also the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. (http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/orr/programs/ucs/state-by-state-uc-placed-sponsors)

Got another smartass remark?

Welcome back to the dark side on this issue, Remember We have Cookies :)

[Venus]

Have you shared with us how many illegals Canada is taking this week?

I'll say this again.

We should continue these buses north and hand deliver them to the CBSA.

[Captain Obvious]

http://cdn.meme.li/instances/500x/53071257.jpg

[Venus]

Canada takes in about 10,000 refugees a year on top of the 250,000 regular immigrants.

I'm sure if they showed up at the border they could be processed. Maybe they don't like the weather.


How many illegals?

[zelmo1234]

700 children in an entire state is a massive influx?

The vast majority of these kids, in fact I think all of them, have been placed with their own family members in the state.

Massive influx...pffftt.

Their Family members are likely as illegal as they are?

So that makes it even worse!

[zelmo1234]

Canada takes in about 10,000 refugees a year on top of the 250,000 regular immigrants.

I'm sure if they showed up at the border they could be processed. Maybe they don't like the weather.

The USA takes about 7 million legally, each year, and about again that many illegally?

Get with the program

[Common Sense]

I'll say this again.

We should continue these buses north and hand deliver them to the CBSA.

Why? Was Canada involved in fucking up their countries repeatedly? Funding death squads, closing off the Caribbean drug routes forcing all the drugs through their countries? Did we export the LA gang problem to their countries helping create a very violent situation? How exactly is Canada culpable?

I'm not adverse to taking some. How about 10%?

[Chloe]

I'd suggest a National Guard and civilian joint operation in which they escort the illegal, turd world scum BACK to the bus! Those who refuse may be shot for sport.

They are human beings, not turds, and unless you are willing to kill innocent people for sport then you shouldn't advocate for it.

[Common Sense]

The USA takes about 7 million legally, each year, and about again that many illegally?

Get with the program

Where did you get that number? Legal immigration to the US is about a million a year.

[del]

The USA takes about 7 million legally, each year, and about again that many illegally?

Get with the program

bullshit

http://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/ois_lpr_fr_2013.pdf

[zelmo1234]

They are human beings, not turds, and unless you are willing to kill innocent people for sport then you shouldn't advocate for it.

I agree there is no reason to kill anyone

But they should be turned around at the border and sent back!

[del]

Where did you get that number? Legal immigration to the US is about a million a year.

his accountant

[Venus]

Why? Was Canada involved in fucking up their countries repeatedly? Funding death squads, closing off the Caribbean drug routes forcing all the drugs through their countries? Did we export the LA gang problem to their countries helping create a very violent situation? How exactly is Canada culpable?

I'm not adverse to taking some. How about 10%?

It could be a covert operation. Say about 75% of these "refugees" dropped off a few miles inside Canada.

I really like this plan. Send them to Canada.

[1751_Texan]

No, you're right. It's a much better idea to just drop them off in the state without prior notification so states can't make sure they are financially prepared for the massive influx of new residents.

You are exactly right...I am right.

This is a false argument that the governor needed prior notice of the placement...what the hell was he going to "prepare for"??? What the hell was he going to do pro-actively to compensate for the influx of 760 people to the state???

This is the most ridiculous crap argument EVER.

[Common Sense]

It could be a covert operation. Say about 75% of these "refugees" dropped off a few miles inside Canada.

I really like this plan. Send them to Canada.

Again, why exactly?

[Matty]

IN large part the Church is trying to care for them while they are here.

I know that liberals such as yourself really want the voting population, but you won't see any liberal organizasions down on the border trying to provide healthcare, clothing, food and water for these illegals.

You really don't give a shit about them accept for on voting day.

So stop the BS and do something to take care of them. Because the government can't they are broke.
Then perhaps obummer should not have invited them. :)

[Venus]

Again, why exactly?


Canada should open their arms and hearts to these "refugees", it's the right thing to do.

[Venus]

It could be a covert operation. Say about 75% of these "refugees" dropped off a few miles inside Canada.

I really like this plan. Send them to Canada.


Actually it shouldn't be a covert operation. We should drive all these buses right to CBSA and say "here ya go". Thanks.

[Common Sense]

Actually it shouldn't be a covert operation. We should drive all these buses right to CBSA and say "here ya go". Thanks.

Again, why exactly?


Why? Was Canada involved in fucking up their countries repeatedly? Funding death squads, closing off the Caribbean drug routes forcing all the drugs through their countries? Did we export the LA gang problem to their countries helping create a very violent situation? How exactly is Canada culpable?

I'm not adverse to taking some. How about 10%?

[keymanjim]

Again, why exactly?
Because we don't want them and can't afford them.

[PolWatch]

IN large part the Church is trying to care for them while they are here.

I know that liberals such as yourself really want the voting population, but you won't see any liberal organizasions down on the border trying to provide healthcare, clothing, food and water for these illegals.


You really don't give a shit about them accept for on voting day.

So stop the BS and do something to take care of them. Because the government can't they are broke.


psst...I have suspicion that some of those churches just might have been infiltrated by <gasp> liberals...wily folks those libs....they're everywhere...even where you least expect 'em

[Common Sense]

Because we don't want them and can't afford them.

So dump your problems at someone else's door?

Sounds very responsible.

[Green Arrow]

You are exactly right...I am right.

This is a false argument that the governor needed prior notice of the placement...what the hell was he going to "prepare for"??? What the hell was he going to do pro-actively to compensate for the influx of 760 people to the state???

This is the most ridiculous crap argument EVER.

It's really not that complicated. Perhaps if you get your head out of your ass and think, you might get it. From the top:

1) Healthcare.
2) Schooling.
3) Residency.

Those are the three biggest. Where were they dropped off, and why won't the administration tell us? Are we expected to put them in school? Do we even have a choice? What about healthcare?

[Green Arrow]

Why? Was Canada involved in fucking up their countries repeatedly? Funding death squads, closing off the Caribbean drug routes forcing all the drugs through their countries? Did we export the LA gang problem to their countries helping create a very violent situation? How exactly is Canada culpable?

I'm not adverse to taking some. How about 10%?

I didn't have anything to do with that crap, why should I have to pay for it?

[Cigar]

Them - Those - They

Your New Republican Party :wink:



http://editorialcartoonists.com/cartoons/PettJ/2014/PettJ20140729_low.jpg

[Matty]

Yes, you izz. Obama invited them, you have to feed em, clothe em ,medicate them and educate them. See he bought you some votes but you have to pay for them. Don't you just love Obama? Yes, you do, you know you do.

[Green Arrow]

Them - Those - They

Your New Republican Party :wink:



http://editorialcartoonists.com/cartoons/PettJ/2014/PettJ20140729_low.jpg
Cigar, blacks make up the bulk of unemployment in the U.S. and there are already more workers than jobs. Perhaps you can explain how importing a foreign workforce helps your people get the jobs they desperately need to help close the income gap.

[Mister D]

It's really not that complicated. Perhaps if you get your head out of your ass and think, you might get it. From the top:

1) Healthcare.
2) Schooling.
3) Residency.

Those are the three biggest. Where were they dropped off, and why won't the administration tell us? Are we expected to put them in school? Do we even have a choice? What about healthcare?

Don't worry, Green Arrow. I hear tell all the sales tax they pay when they buy Coronas and fast food will not only reimburse the state for all three items but may also fund your retirement. Relax.

[Green Arrow]

Don't worry, Green Arrow. I hear tell all the sales tax they pay when they buy Coronas and fast food will not only reimburse the state for all three items but may also fund your retirement. Relax.

It fucking better.

[Mister D]

@Cigar (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=294), blacks make up the bulk of unemployment in the U.S. and there are already more workers than jobs. Perhaps you can explain how importing a foreign workforce helps your people get the jobs they desperately need to help close the income gap.

Prepare for a nonsensical reply.

[Mister D]

It fucking better.

If it concerns you just dump them off at Texan's house. It's not like he needs to prepare for 760 guests.

[Green Arrow]

If it concerns you just dump them off at Texan's house. It's not like he needs to prepare for 760 guests.

Good idea!

[Common Sense]

I didn't have anything to do with that crap, why should I have to pay for it?

Ummm...OK. Your government did. Chickens coming home to roost so to speak.

You seem to have fallen to the right as of late. Something happen?

[Common Sense]

Apparently these children...er Vermin...are going to take all the good jobs.

[Mister D]

Ummm...OK. Your government did. Chickens coming home to roost so to speak.

You seem to have fallen to the right as of late. Something happen?

Yes, his home is being invaded by foreigners.

[Mister D]

Apparently these children...er Vermin...are going to take all the good jobs.

No, but their presence does hammer the native lower classes and they cost their host quite a bit in terms of education (lots of bucks, little bang), healthcare and so forth. But, hey, they pay sales tax on beer and fast food. That will make up for it.

[Venus]

Again, why exactly?

Because it's the right thing to do.

And other countries should help, not just Canada. Maybe we should get rid of Middle America all together and spread them all around the world.

Canada can handle a few million, right?

[Cigar]

@Cigar (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=294), blacks make up the bulk of unemployment in the U.S. and there are already more workers than jobs. Perhaps you can explain how importing a foreign workforce helps your people get the jobs they desperately need to help close the income gap.


So if it's bothering YOU so much, then why don't YOU show us what you're going to do about it.

You know, other than bitching and complaining on internet forms all day.

[Green Arrow]

Ummm...OK. Your government did. Chickens coming home to roost so to speak.

You seem to have fallen to the right as of late. Something happen?

Blame Mister D.

In all seriousness, though, I don't think this is a left-right issue, and I have come to believe that a hard line on immigration should be a cause right and left can unite on. As I have mentioned already, you can't close the income gap and improve the plight of workers if you import thousands of unskilled, uneducated labor. It ensures that the unemployed stay unemployed, because one of the grim realities of capitalism is that businesses will always seek out the cheapest labor possible. Foreigners from poor shitholes like pretty much everything to our south are coming here looking for work, and they will take whatever they can get (which is justifiable). American workers demand decent wages, healthcare, a 40 hour work week, and days off (again, also justifiable). So now, the poverty rate goes up and the income gap expands.

[Green Arrow]

So if it's bothering YOU so much, then why don't YOU show us what you're going to do about it.

You know, other than bitching and complaining on internet forms all day.

You mean, like what you do every day?

Why can't you answer my question?

[Mister D]

So if it's bothering YOU so much, then why don't YOU show us what you're going to do about it.



You know, other than bitching and complaining on internet forms all day.

What did I tell you? Green Arrow





We won!

Back to black!

stop bitching on the Internet :laugh:

what are you going to do about it? :laugh:

That's easily 90% of what he posts.

[Mister D]

Blame @Mister D (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=4).

In all seriousness, though, I don't think this is a left-right issue, and I have come to believe that a hard line on immigration should be a cause right and left can unite on. As I have mentioned already, you can't close the income gap and improve the plight of workers if you import thousands of unskilled, uneducated labor. It ensures that the unemployed stay unemployed, because one of the grim realities of capitalism is that businesses will always seek out the cheapest labor possible. Foreigners from poor shitholes like pretty much everything to our south are coming here looking for work, and they will take whatever they can get (which is justifiable). American workers demand decent wages, healthcare, a 40 hour work week, and days off (again, also justifiable). So now, the poverty rate goes up and the income gap expands.

A leftism that insists we take care of our own is the only respectable leftism there is.

[del]

And also the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. (http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/orr/programs/ucs/state-by-state-uc-placed-sponsors)

Got another smartass remark?

did you read your link?


Unaccompanied Children Released to Sponsors By State When a child who is not accompanied by a parent or guardian is apprehended by immigration authorities, the child is transferred to the care and custody of the Office of Refugee Resettlement (ORR). ORR cares for the children in shelters around the country until they can be released to a sponsor, typically a parent or relative, who can care for the child while their immigration case is processed.

Ensuring that a potential sponsor can safely and appropriately care for the child is a top priority. A background check is conducted on all potential sponsors, and steps are taken to verify a potential sponsor’s identity and relationship to the child. In some cases where concerns are raised, a home study is done.

Before children are released to a sponsor, they receive vaccinations and medical screenings. We do not release any children who have a contagious condition.


The sponsor must agree to cooperate with all immigration proceedings.

http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/orr/programs/ucs/state-by-state-uc-placed-sponsors

this isn't dumping and your whiny ass governor can lick me.

[Cigar]

Typical ... when they have no argument ... then they go racist :laugh:

[Green Arrow]

A leftism that insists we take care of our own is the only respectable leftism there is.

Once upon a time, it was the ONLY leftism. Not that charity for others was frowned upon, but the simple understanding that what I call "equality in misery" is no equality at all.

[Cigar]

did you read your link?


http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/orr/programs/ucs/state-by-state-uc-placed-sponsors

this isn't dumping and your whiny ass governor can lick me.


Oops :laugh:

[Green Arrow]

did you read your link?


http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/orr/programs/ucs/state-by-state-uc-placed-sponsors

this isn't dumping and your whiny ass governor can lick me.

Are we going to argue semantics, or are we going to talk about the real issue here? Change "dump" to "moved" if it makes you feel better.

[Green Arrow]

Typical ... when they have no argument ... then they go racist :laugh:

http://thumbs.newschoolers.com/index.php?src=http://i910.photobucket.com/albums/ac303/elfprincessarcher/arigoldgtfo.gif&size=400x1000

[Cigar]

http://thumbs.newschoolers.com/index.php?src=http://i910.photobucket.com/albums/ac303/elfprincessarcher/arigoldgtfo.gif&size=400x1000


Make Me ... your move :grin:

[Cigar]

Are we going to argue semantics, or are we going to talk about the real issue here? Change "dump" to "moved" if it makes you feel better.


Are you saying things are happening in your State without your Governors knowledge :wink:

[Mister D]

Once upon a time, it was the ONLY leftism. Not that charity for others was frowned upon, but the simple understanding that what I call "equality in misery" is no equality at all.

Very true. Few people actually know that. The old socialist parties (pre 1960s) were traditional in terms of morality and family life. They were also community oriented not world oriented.

[Mister D]

Typical ... when they have no argument ... then they go racist :laugh:

I forgot this reply. We can add that one. I think we've covered about 95% of what he posts now.

[Mainecoons]

I sure hope Cigar has all his stock posts on macros to save wear and tear on his fingers.

:rofl:

[del]

Are we going to argue semantics, or are we going to talk about the real issue here? Change "dump" to "moved" if it makes you feel better.

i don't give a rat's ass what you call it, by law they get to stay until they get a hearing.

i'd rather have them staying in a relative's home than on an army base somewhere.

[Matty]

did you read your link?


http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/orr/programs/ucs/state-by-state-uc-placed-sponsors

this isn't dumping and your whiny ass governor can lick me.


It is dumping. And nobody wants to lick you either. Not that I feel sorry for green arrow, he's getting what he voted for.

[Green Arrow]

i don't give a rat's ass what you call it, by law they get to stay until they get a hearing.

i'd rather have them staying in a relative's home than on an army base somewhere.

I'd rather the administration had notified my state government in advance like we requested so we could be prepared for it. I'd also rather the administration told my state government where, exactly, these people were moved to (lest we spend another page arguing over the word "dumped").

Something tells me you'll just trivialize these perfectly legitimate concerns.

[Green Arrow]

It is dumping. And nobody wants to lick you either. Not that I feel sorry for green arrow, he's getting what he voted for.

You know who you remind me of?

If Cigar, Libhater, and Common had a lovechild, it would be you.

[Mister D]

It is dumping. And nobody wants to lick you either. Not that I feel sorry for green arrow, he's getting what he voted for.

Yeah, it's not like the GOP wants brown slave labor.

[Mister D]

Ugh..I can just hear that gibbering old fool Juan McCain now...

My friends...these are God's children...

[Matty]

You know who you remind me of?

If Cigar, Libhater, and Common had a lovechild, it would be you.


None the less, you are getting what you voted for. Enjoy.

[del]

I'd rather the administration had notified my state government in advance like we requested so we could be prepared for it. I'd also rather the administration told my state government where, exactly, these people were moved to (lest we spend another page arguing over the word "dumped").

Something tells me you'll just trivialize these perfectly legitimate concerns.

they were dumped on their relatives after a background check was completed.

what business is it of your governor where their relatives live?



i find your concerns legitimately trivial.

[Green Arrow]

they were dumped on their relatives after a background check was completed.

what business is it of your governor where their relatives live?

i find your concerns legitimately trivial.

These kids will get taxpayer funded healthcare and schooling, so my state government will have to ensure schools are prepared for over 700 new students. Can't do that if we don't know where the fuck they are, now can we?

[del]

These kids will get taxpayer funded healthcare and schooling, so my state government will have to ensure schools are prepared for over 700 new students. Can't do that if we don't know where the fuck they are, now can we?

700 new students!

omg!

their relatives pay taxes

next?

[Cigar]

I sure hope Cigar has all his stock posts on macros to save wear and tear on his fingers.

:rofl:


Are you back again ... thought I told you to go do something? :laugh:

[Mister D]

These kids will get taxpayer funded healthcare and schooling, so my state government will have to ensure schools are prepared for over 700 new students. Can't do that if we don't know where the fuck they are, now can we?

Of course they will and why not? After they watch a few afternoons worth of cartoons they'll practically be Americans anyway. lol

[Mister D]

700 new students!

omg!

their relatives pay taxes

next?

:laugh: yeah, that's likely!

[Green Arrow]

700 new students!

omg!

their relatives pay taxes

next?

Are you just here to troll my thread? 'Cause I know you're not stupid.

[Cigar]

These kids will get taxpayer funded healthcare and schooling, so my state government will have to ensure schools are prepared for over 700 new students. Can't do that if we don't know where the fuck they are, now can we?


Don't you just HATE that ... and there's not a GD thing you can do about it, but bitching and complain on interment forums :laugh:

[del]

:laugh: yeah, that's likely!

thanks for chiming in, luigi

[Green Arrow]

Don't you just HATE that ... and there's not a GD thing you can do about it, but bitching and complain on interment forums :laugh:

You're an idiot.

[Mister D]

thanks for chiming in, luigi

No problemo, Paco!

[del]

Are you just here to troll my thread? 'Cause I know you're not stupid.

no, i'm here to tell you that in this case you're wrong.

[Mister D]

You're an idiot.

Yes. Yes he is.

[Green Arrow]

no, i'm here to tell you that in this case you're wrong.

Really? So you don't see any problem whatsoever with already overfilled schools having to find a way to fit 700 more kids on the spot?

[Captain Obvious]

http://jalapenoberry.com/media/mexican-word-of-the-day-jerky-1387897420.jpg

[del]

Really? So you don't see any problem whatsoever with already overfilled schools having to find a way to fit 700 more kids on the spot?

i don't have a problem with the feds following the law. whether or not it's good law is another story.

do you think all 760 went into one school system?

[Mister D]

Really? So you don't see any problem whatsoever with already overfilled schools having to find a way to fit 700 more kids on the spot?

Of course not. It's like...for the children and shit.

[Mister D]

i don't have a problem with the feds following the law. whether or not it's good law is another story.

do you think all 760 went into one school system?

Not at all. They'll all be enrolled in private schools on a relative's estate. :smiley_ROFLMAO:

[Green Arrow]

i don't have a problem with the feds following the law. whether or not it's good law is another story.

do you think all 760 went into one school system?

I don't know, because we don't know where the fuck they are.

[del]

i'm sure my friend guido thinks it's a good idea to warehouse kids on an army base at my expense instead of letting their relatives take care of them at theirs.

critical thinking isn't his forte.

[Mister D]

i'm sure my friend guido thinks it's a good idea to warehouse kids on an army base at my expense instead of letting their relatives take care of them at theirs.

critical thinking isn't his forte.

No, I think it's a good idea to send them back to Mexico whence they came. Or are you going to pull a Ravi and insist they somehow bypassed Mexico on their way here? :wink:

[del]

I don't know, because we don't know where the fuck they are.

the horror...

take a wild ass guess then

[Mister D]

Curiously, del the genius doesn't quite realize their relatives are in all likelihood poor.

[del]

No, I think it's a good idea to send them back to Mexico whence they came. Or are you going to pull a Ravi and insist they somehow bypassed Mexico on their way here? :wink:

then change the law, benito.

*shrug*

[Matty]

i'm sure my friend guido thinks it's a good idea to warehouse kids on an army base at my expense instead of letting their relatives take care of them at theirs.

critical thinking isn't his forte.


The relatives are more than likely illegal, but again who's to say? The Feds won't ask and don't care.

[Green Arrow]

the horror...

take a wild ass guess then

This is how full of shit this whole thing is. Haslam never tried to block them being sent here (he couldn't, anyway). All he asked is that we be notified beforehand so we could make necessary preparations. The law doesn't say the President can't give advance notification and records, does it?

We shouldn't have to fucking guess.

[del]

Curiously, del the genius doesn't quite realize their relatives are in all likelihood poor.

curiously, del the genius does realize that he doesn't know one way or the other.

just like benito the clairvoyant

[Mister D]

then change the law, benito.

*shrug*

Another Cigar like response. Who is surprised?

[Mister D]

curiously, del the genius does realize that he doesn't know one way or the other.

just like benito the clairvoyant

Hint: they're poor, del. :laugh:

[del]

The relatives are more than likely illegal, but again who's to say? The Feds won't ask and don't care.

what part of background check eludes you?

[del]

Hint: they're poor, del. :laugh:

hint:you're talking out of your ass, benito

[Matty]

what part of background check eludes you?
What part of lying democrats eludes you?

[Mister D]

what part of background check eludes you?

Liek the government will give a fuck if they're illegal! :laugh:

[Matty]

If all was on the up and up there would be no reason to sneak the illegals anywhere. But sneak they did. Now don't give us the " background checks" bullshit.

[Captain Obvious]

http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/2e/cc/26/2ecc268a4e4561526b4e846606a582dc.jpg

[Mister D]

hint:you're talking out of your ass, benito

Yeah, I'm sure their relatives are upper middle class folks waiting with open arms and deep pockets. :smiley_ROFLMAO:

[del]

What part of lying democrats eludes you?

what part of paranoia do you enjoy most?

[del]

Yeah, I'm sure their relatives are upper middle class folks waiting with open arms and deep pockets. :smiley_ROFLMAO:

i'm not surprised that you do..

you're not the sharpest tool in the shed.

[Matty]

what part of paranoia do you enjoy most?
What part of Obama blowing smoke up your ass do you enjoy most?

[Mister D]

i'm not surprised that you do..

you're not the sharpest tool in the shed.

Now you're just babbling, del. Just stand there looking foolish. It's your look. :grin:

[Mister D]

What part of Obama blowing smoke up your ass do you enjoy most?

He's been assured they're with their wealthy relatives. It's not like their relatives are either dirt poor migrants or on public assistance themselves! Heavens! Why so paranoid? lol

[del]

Now you're just babbling, del. Just stand there looking foolish. It's your look. :grin:

oh, luigi, you're such a one trick pony

try harder

[del]

What part of Obama blowing smoke up your ass do you enjoy most?

the part where your pointy little head explodes

[Green Arrow]

I hate to interrupt, but can you guys be petty bitches in someone else's thread? Thanks.

[del]

I hate to interrupt, but can you guys be petty bitches in someone else's thread? Thanks.

should i let mr haslam know where i plan on going?

[Matty]

the part where your pointy little head explodes


Ha ha ha, you has been out gunned.

[Green Arrow]

should i let mr haslam know where i plan on going?

Only if you intend to go to Memphis, but that would be for your own protection. Memphis is a shithole.

[Ransom]

Only if you intend to go to Memphis, but that would be for your own protection. Memphis is a shithole.

But then the 9th Congressional District has always been dominated by democrat/socialist rule, of course it's a shithole

[Mister D]

That it's over 60% black I'm sure is pure coincidence.

[Adelaide]

Stop insulting each other.

[The Xl]

Yeah, it's not like the GOP wants brown slave labor.

Dat Reagan amnesty.

Yall Neocons musta forgot.

[Green Arrow]

Dat Reagan amnesty.

Yall Neocons musta forgot.

They didn't forget, they just act like Obama voters and make excuses about how heroic, manly Reagan just HAD to compromise with the Dirty Dems, and then they went back on the deal.

[Green Arrow]

That it's over 60% black I'm sure is pure coincidence.

It's not. It also happens to be a hotbed for racial tension, probably the most racial tension in the nation.

[Green Arrow]

But then the 9th Congressional District has always been dominated by democrat/socialist rule, of course it's a shithole

Get out of my thread.

[The Xl]

They didn't forget, they just act like Obama voters and make excuses about how heroic, manly Reagan just HAD to compromise with the Dirty Dems, and then they went back on the deal.

It's actually quite hilarious that not only were Obama and Reagan similar in a lot of ways, but their supporters are, too.

[Mister D]

It's not. It also happens to be a hotbed for racial tension, probably the most racial tension in the nation.

Referred to as "Memphrica" I'm told. :grin:

[Matty]

Get out of my thread.
All members may participate in any thread they choose.

[Mister D]

It's actually quite hilarious that not only were Obama and Reagan similar in a lot of ways, but their supporters are, too.

There has been a gradual alignment over the last few decades or so it seems. The spectrum of respectable views is getting smaller and smaller. That restricts our choices.

[Ransom]

Get out of my thread.

Much like the red lines drawn by your false Messiah, your drawn line here just as irrelvant, Vlad.

[Matty]

Reagan gave amnesty to three million. Later he said it was the worst mistake he ever made. Think Obama learns from past mistakes? No he does not. And secondly you assume those on the right agree with all things Bush and Reagan, we do not. My one strongest criticism of a Bush was his not securing that border.

[The Xl]

More relevant than your red rep, though.

[Captain Obvious]

All members may participate in any thread they choose.

Except the ones you're threadbanned from.

You of all people should realize that.

:biglaugh:

[The Xl]

Aww, poor Reagan fucked up, but he was swwarrry. Lmao.

Hacks gon' hack.

[Matty]

Except the ones you're threadbanned from.

You of all people should realize that.

:biglaugh:
Has ransom been thread banned?

[keymanjim]

Aww, poor Reagan fucked up, but he was swwarrry. Lmao.

Hacks gon' hack.
Reagan believed the democrats when they said they would seal the border if he signed off on amnesty.

Of course, the dems lied. Just like they always do.

[Captain Obvious]

Has ransom been thread banned?

Many times, yes - but I'm not sure he has the dubious honor of being banned from your own thread like you have, several times I think.

It's quite the accomplishment.

[keymanjim]

I don't see what the problem is. Obama assured us that every one of them were going to be sent back, didn't he?
That wasn't a LIE, was it?

[Matty]

Many times, yes - but I'm not sure he has the dubious honor of being banned from your own thread like you have, several times I think.

It's quite the accomplishment.

Thank you! I accept my award. Has Ransom been thread banned from this thread?

[Matty]

Reagan believed the democrats when they said they would seal the border if he signed off on amnesty.

Of course, the dems lied. Just like they always do.


Well, , things never change, democrats still don't want to seal the border.

[Captain Obvious]

Thank you! I accept my award. Has Ransom been thread banned from this thread?

I'm limited to answering three stupid questions a day, you've reached your limit.

:biglaugh:

[Matty]

I'm limited to answering three stupid questions a day, you've reached your limit.

:biglaugh:
Because you know he hasn't and you're dangling at the end of your rope! :) gavel down.

[protectionist]

When are they going to learn, listen, a little light colored make-up and a big crucifix on their t-shirt and voila instant acceptance in white Christian America. When are they going to learn, one must play the game according to both the theocracy and plutocracy that rule America today, work for nothing, pray for salvation. Come on folks get with it.

'They’Re Only ‘Illegals’ If They’Re Brown - American Conservatives Welcome Immigrants—Just So Long As They're White Christians'
http://www.vice.com/read/theyre-only-illegals-if-theyre-brown


"The key to getting asylum in the United States is to be white, socially conservative, and really into Jesus—or at least that’s the lesson imparted by the US government’s decision not to deport a family running away from Germany’s educational system. And conservatives—the same sort who complain about immigrants destroying our culture, insofar as we have one—couldn’t be happier."

NONSENSE!! ALL immigration from anywhere is harmful to America. You've been listening to the phony race card rant from the left, which is all they really have.

Harms of Immigration


1. Americans lose jobs. (especially Whites due to affirmative action).


2. Wage reduction.


3. Tax $ lost (due to off books work + lower wages paid).


4. Remittance $$$ lost. ($170 Billion year).


5. Tax $$ lost to immigrants on welfare.


6. Increased crime.


7. Increased traffic congestion.


8. Increased pollution.


9. Overcrowding in hospital ERs.


10. Overcrowding in recreational facilities.


11. Overcrowding in government offices.


12. Overcrowding in schools.


13. Decrease in funds available for entitlements.


14. Cultural erosion.


15. Overuse of scarce resources (oil, gasoline, fresh water, jobs, electricity, food, etc)


16. Introduction of foreign diseases.

[Cigar]

What's wrong ... not feeling special anymore

http://ehow-blog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Babies-Cry.jpg (http://ehow-blog.com/why-do-babies-cry/)

[protectionist]

700 children in an entire state is a massive influx?

The vast majority of these kids, in fact I think all of them, have been placed with their own family members in the state.

Massive influx...pffftt.

If a couple of years from now the job they get, is the one you wanted, it's a massive influx FOR YOU.

[Mister D]

When are they going to learn, listen, a little light colored make-up and a big crucifix on their t-shirt and voila instant acceptance in white Christian America. When are they going to learn, one must play the game according to both the theocracy and plutocracy that rule America today, work for nothing, pray for salvation. Come on folks get with it.

'They’Re Only ‘Illegals’ If They’Re Brown - American Conservatives Welcome Immigrants—Just So Long As They're White Christians'
http://www.vice.com/read/theyre-only-illegals-if-theyre-brown


"The key to getting asylum in the United States is to be white, socially conservative, and really into Jesus—or at least that’s the lesson imparted by the US government’s decision not to deport a family running away from Germany’s educational system. And conservatives—the same sort who complain about immigrants destroying our culture, insofar as we have one—couldn’t be happier."

Pssst... midcan5 your government has asylum quotas and those granted asylum are overwhelmingly non-European. I know! I know! We'll keep it between us...and anyone who looks it up. lol

[protectionist]

You are exactly right...I am right.

This is a false argument that the governor needed prior notice of the placement...what the hell was he going to "prepare for"??? What the hell was he going to do pro-actively to compensate for the influx of 760 people to the state??? This is the most ridiculous crap argument EVER.

Your ignorance is what is ridiculous. HERE is what there is to prepare for.

Harms of Immigration


1. Americans lose jobs. (especially Whites due to affirmative action).


2. Wage reduction.


3. Tax $ lost (due to off books work + lower wages paid).


4. Remittance $$$ lost. ($170 Billion year).


5. Tax $$ lost to immigrants on welfare.


6. Increased crime.


7. Increased traffic congestion.


8. Increased pollution.


9. Overcrowding in hospital ERs.


10. Overcrowding in recreational facilities.


11. Overcrowding in government offices.


12. Overcrowding in schools.


13. Decrease in funds available for entitlements.


14. Cultural erosion.


15. Overuse of scarce resources (oil, gasoline, fresh water, jobs, electricity, food, etc)


16. Introduction of foreign diseases.

[protectionist]

So dump your problems at someone else's door? Sounds very responsible.

It's responsible to dump them at the door of those who dumped them at YOUR door. How about at the doors of where the Central American presidents sleep at night ?

[protectionist]

So if it's bothering YOU so much, then why don't YOU show us what you're going to do about it.

Answer is in the previous post (# 169)

[protectionist]

Blame @Mister D (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=4).

In all seriousness, though, I don't think this is a left-right issue, and I have come to believe that a hard line on immigration should be a cause right and left can unite on. As I have mentioned already, you can't close the income gap and improve the plight of workers if you import thousands of unskilled, uneducated labor. It ensures that the unemployed stay unemployed, because one of the grim realities of capitalism is that businesses will always seek out the cheapest labor possible. Foreigners from poor shitholes like pretty much everything to our south are coming here looking for work, and they will take whatever they can get (which is justifiable). American workers demand decent wages, healthcare, a 40 hour work week, and days off (again, also justifiable). So now, the poverty rate goes up and the income gap expands.

Exactly right. This is why I quit the Democratic Party years ago, and became an Independent. In November, I will probably vote Republican (but not for RINOs)

Right now, Democrats are the worst enemies the American working class ever had.

[Matty]

If a couple of years from now the job they get, is the one you wanted, it's a massive influx FOR YOU.
Not him he's Canadian no hair off his eyebrow!

[protectionist]

i don't give a rat's ass what you call it, by law they get to stay until they get a hearing.

i'd rather have them staying in a relative's home than on an army base somewhere.

Why a "relative" ? How about YOUR home ?

[protectionist]

i don't have a problem with the feds following the law. whether or not it's good law is another story.

do you think all 760 went into one school system?

When Obama declares amnesty for all illegals, it'll become 760 MILLION.

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[Venus]

8376

[undine]

Via The Washington Times (http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jul/28/tennessee-gov-haslam-slams-white-house-secret-dump/):



This is fucking bullshit, man. Dump them in fucking Illinois, you bastard! Make your own state take responsibility!
Someone else may have posted this already, but it is and has been for a long time standard procedure to place immigrant children with families. There's no need to alert the governors nor have any of them been historically notified. This is pure politicking on your governor's part.

http://www.tennessean.com/story/news/politics/2014/07/28/immigrant-advocates-baffled-haslam-letter/13295723/

[undine]

This is how full of shit this whole thing is. Haslam never tried to block them being sent here (he couldn't, anyway). All he asked is that we be notified beforehand so we could make necessary preparations. The law doesn't say the President can't give advance notification and records, does it?

We shouldn't have to fucking guess.

Minors have privacy rights. It's actually no business of anyone but their families. What was your governor going to do, sew yellow stars on them?

[keymanjim]

Minors have privacy rights. It's actually no business of anyone but their families. What was your governor going to do, sew yellow stars on them?
Oh, nazi references. That'll make your point valid.
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a128/keymanjim/jerkitsmiley.gif (http://s10.photobucket.com/user/keymanjim/media/jerkitsmiley.gif.html)

[undine]

Oh, nazi references. That'll make your point valid.
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a128/keymanjim/jerkitsmiley.gif (http://s10.photobucket.com/user/keymanjim/media/jerkitsmiley.gif.html)
What was he going to do?

[Mister D]

Minors have privacy rights. It's actually no business of anyone but their families. What was your governor going to do, sew yellow stars on them?

Uh, Ravi, your government knows where you live. It's not private. :smiley:

[Mister D]

What was he going to do?

Nothing. You mean what were the feds gong to do. Well, notify the Governor of course.

[Bob]

@midcan5 (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=765), help a fellow progressive out and answer me this:

How does it help American workers who desperately need jobs, MOST OF THE UNEMPLOYED BEING MINORITIES, if you flood what little jobs are left with a foreign workforce?

What do you mean work? They get very nice accommodations, good food, good sleeping areas and entertainment. WORK????????????? I saw reports on how the Obama bunch, that won't guard the border nor put more on the border, blows a lot of cash to make life for these people as nice as possible. And they are not kids. The mix is more adults than kids.

[bladimz]

NONSENSE!! ALL immigration from anywhere is harmful to America. You've been listening to the phony race card rant from the left, which is all they really have.

Harms of Immigration


1. Americans lose jobs. (especially Whites due to affirmative action).


2. Wage reduction.


3. Tax $ lost (due to off books work + lower wages paid).


4. Remittance $$$ lost. ($170 Billion year).


5. Tax $$ lost to immigrants on welfare.


6. Increased crime.


7. Increased traffic congestion.


8. Increased pollution.


9. Overcrowding in hospital ERs.


10. Overcrowding in recreational facilities.


11. Overcrowding in government offices.


12. Overcrowding in schools.


13. Decrease in funds available for entitlements.


14. Cultural erosion.


15. Overuse of scarce resources (oil, gasoline, fresh water, jobs, electricity, food, etc)


16. Introduction of foreign diseases.Sounds like it's time for a nice little pandemic. Result: pretty much a resolution to all of your listed concerns.

[Felid_Fem]

Sounds like it's time for a nice little pandemic. Result: pretty much a resolution to all of your listed concerns.

Already in the works/plans, no doubt.

[bladimz]

You know all of our prisons, jammed with incarcerations that shouldn't be there? The US is about 5% of the world's population, and according to stats, we own 25% of the world's prison population. What if all those dudes who are in for pot possession and other stupid "criminal actions" were released? Suddenly there's a load of available housing. Re-organize the balance of that population and make the many now-empty prisons available for those refugees. Not the kids so much, but the adults that some people are so fired up about.

It's not a comfy, cozy situation, but it's shelter and some food. Plenty of chances in there to learn a trade, etc. At the same time, they'd learn that maybe the US is not the place they really want to be. Maybe when they finally get their shit together, they'll just decide to move on.

Just a thought. I'm sure there's some reason that it's a bad idea.

[bladimz]

Already in the works/plans, no doubt.Actually, i'm thinking the same thing. I will not be surprised when my nervous system goes berserk and i start drooling from my eyes.

[Green Arrow]

Minors have privacy rights. It's actually no business of anyone but their families. What was your governor going to do, sew yellow stars on them?

It's the business of my state government for the several reasons I outlined in this thread, chief among them being healthcare and schooling. Schools need to be notified that they are going to receive x amount of new students so they can prepare. Tennessee is a small state, there are two million more people in New York City than in our entire state. Schools across the nation are already too full.

[Green Arrow]

You know all of our prisons, jammed with incarcerations that shouldn't be there? The US is about 5% of the world's population, and according to stats, we own 25% of the world's prison population. What if all those dudes who are in for pot possession and other stupid "criminal actions" were released? Suddenly there's a load of available housing. Re-organize the balance of that population and make the many now-empty prisons available for those refugees. Not the kids so much, but the adults that some people are so fired up about.

It's not a comfy, cozy situation, but it's shelter and some food. Plenty of chances in there to learn a trade, etc. At the same time, they'd learn that maybe the US is not the place they really want to be. Maybe when they finally get their shit together, they'll just decide to move on.

Just a thought. I'm sure there's some reason that it's a bad idea.

I don't think it's bad at all.

[Mister D]

It's the business of my state government for the several reasons I outlined in this thread, chief among them being healthcare and schooling. Schools need to be notified that they are going to receive x amount of new students so they can prepare. Tennessee is a small state, there are two million more people in New York City than in our entire state. Schools across the nation are already too full.

You dignified those remarks with a polite response. At teh same time, I should learn to be more patient.

[protectionist]

Someone else may have posted this already, but it is and has been for a long time standard procedure to place immigrant children with families. There's no need to alert the governors nor have any of them been historically notified. This is pure politicking on your governor's part.

http://www.tennessean.com/story/news/politics/2014/07/28/immigrant-advocates-baffled-haslam-letter/13295723/

You talk as if there was no political/economic/social harmful impact from immigration. Not smart.

[protectionist]

Minors have privacy rights. It's actually no business of anyone but their families. What was your governor going to do, sew yellow stars on them?

ALL immigration is the business or EVERY AMERICAN, and don't you forget it.

[protectionist]

Sounds like it's time for a nice little pandemic. Result: pretty much a resolution to all of your listed concerns.

Mind translating that ? (in English)

[del]

Why a "relative" ? How about YOUR home ?

because that's what the "law" says.

derp.

[protectionist]

because that's what the "law" says.

derp.

How about if we make it the law that every loudmouth like you who supports immigration gets the immigrants to live with YOU, in YOUR house for a year. ?(the "law") Wanna do it ?

[del]

How about if we make it the law that every loudmouth like you who supports immigration gets the immigrants to live with YOU, in YOUR house for a year. ?(the "law") Wanna do it ?

how about you try not to be any more obtuse than your genetic make up demands, otay?

i didn't write the "law", sparky.

do try to keep up

[PolWatch]

I'm curious...where were they "dumped"? on the side of the road? or are they being housed somewhere awaiting the deportation hearings?

[del]

I'm curious...where were they "dumped"? on the side of the road? or are they being housed somewhere awaiting the deportation hearings?

they were dumped with their relatives while awaiting hearings

[PolWatch]

the OP sounded like they were just dropped in an alley somewhere. Let's see, our laws require that illegal children be treated differently from adults because...they are children. The children had families in Tenn willing to house them until the hearings. They will be deported after the hearings. Is this the plan or have I missed something?

[Peter1469]

If they go to the hearings....

[Cigar]

I'm curious...where were they "dumped"? on the side of the road? or are they being housed somewhere awaiting the deportation hearings?


Good Luck with the answer

[Green Arrow]

the OP sounded like they were just dropped in an alley somewhere. Let's see, our laws require that illegal children be treated differently from adults because...they are children. The children had families in Tenn willing to house them until the hearings. They will be deported after the hearings. Is this the plan or have I missed something?

That is basically the plan, yes. Problem is, there's no way to ensure they go. Most do not, according to officials. So they end up staying, forever, unless they get caught later.

My issue is that the administration ignored my governor's request for prior notification and will not tell my state government where they put the kids. So, now we'll have to make sure they have schooling and healthcare without even knowing who and where they are.

Honestly, I have no fucking idea why this is so controversial.

[Peter1469]

I imagine when school starts you will find the kids.

[Green Arrow]

I imagine when school starts you will find the kids.

Yeah, and by that point we're fucked and our kids will suffer for it.

[Peter1469]

Yeah, and by that point we're fucked and our kids will suffer for it.

yes

[Matty]

Yeah, and by that point we're fucked and our kids will suffer for it.
Hey man. It's who you voted for.

[Matty]

Any attempts to correct this will be answered with cries of racism. So you gotta live with it.

[Green Arrow]

Hey man. It's who you voted for.

Do you ever shut the fuck up?

[Peter1469]

Warning: let's all focus on the topic and not attack each other.

[Matty]

I did not attack anyone. Green Arrow did the rudeness.

[Redrose]

How about if we make it the law that every loudmouth like you who supports immigration gets the immigrants to live with YOU, in YOUR house for a year. ?(the "law") Wanna do it ?

My step daughter married into a bleeding heart liberal brain numbed family. One of his sisters is married to a major wuss, decided to adopt a twelve year old boy from Columbia, even though they had two young daughters of their own. Can you see where this is going? My husband and I did, nobody agreed with us, said we were overreacting. Well, it happened. Last year at age 13, he raped both girls aged 7 and 9, repeatedly. Because they adopted him, they can't get rid of him. He's in the juv. system, but still at home, but must have adult supervision at all times. The girls are terrified of him. So they went to live with granny. So now the adopted Columbian kid lives with the adoptive parents without their two young daughters. Mom and dad are charged with failure to supervise.

I don't want those people here. They think differently from our society. In Columbia, they were told, girls that age are fair game. The lawyer said the boy was doing what comes naturally in his country of Columbia. I would tell that attorney adoption makes the US his country, who gives a damn what they do in Columbia. If you think it's normal to rape your little sisters, then go back to Columbia. I say send him back. Adios!

[Dr. Who]

My step daughter married into a bleeding heart liberal brain numbed family. One of his sisters is married to a major wuss, decided to adopt a twelve year old boy from Columbia, even though they had two young daughters of their own. Can you see where this is going? My husband and I did, nobody agreed with us, said we were overreacting. Well, it happened. Last year at age 13, he raped both girls aged 7 and 9, repeatedly. Because they adopted him, they can't get rid of him. He's in the juv. system, but still at home, but must have adult supervision at all times. The girls are terrified of him. So they went to live with granny. So now the adopted Columbian kid lives with the adoptive parents without their two young daughters. Mom and dad are charged with failure to supervise.

I don't want those people here. They think differently from our society. In Columbia, they were told, girls that age are fair game. The lawyer said the boy was doing what comes naturally in his country of Columbia. I would tell that attorney adoption makes the US his country, who gives a damn what they do in Columbia. If you think it's normal to rape your little sisters, then go back to Columbia. I say send him back. Adios!
How can you take an isolated incident and extrapolate it to all Columbians? Why did these girls not tell their parents that the new kid was predatory or perhaps they did and weren't listened to? It would seem that if the parents sent away their girls and kept the adoptive boy, they have some serious issues. They could easily have either sent him back or put him in the system. Being liberal doesn't mean being a complete whack job for goodness sake.

[Redrose]

I would agree they should dump them in Obama's home state, but seeing how his current residency is at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave, I would suggest they dump them all in front of the White House and make sure the idiots at MSNBC are there to film it live and in color.


I think everything that is happening is part of a huge plan, bigger than any one of us has envisioned. Little by little pieces of the puzzle are falling into place. Probably with mega billions backing it from a foreign source. Obama is not an American, never was, never will be. He has done everything to bring this nation to it's knees. He is the anarchist, lying repeatedly to hide his true agenda. There is too much too ignore to think otherwise.


He has weakened our military, abandoned foreign policy, alienated our allies, coddled our enemies, crippled our economy, fractured our society, neutered Congress, destroyed our health care system, ripped open our borders, allowed diseased aliens to go unchecked, has gutted our Constitution, has caused states rights to be trampled, and his corrupt media is silencing, censoring all opposing voices.


We cannot survive as a free country under two more years of his destructive plan and ruthless attitude.

[del]

I think everything that is happening is part of a huge plan, bigger than any one of us has envisioned. Little by little pieces of the puzzle are falling into place. Probably with mega billions backing it from a foreign source. Obama is not an American, never was, never will be. He has done everything to bring this nation to it's knees. He is the anarchist, lying repeatedly to hide his true agenda. There is too much too ignore to think otherwise.


He has weakened our military, abandoned foreign policy, alienated our allies, coddled our enemies, crippled our economy, fractured our society, neutered Congress, destroyed our health care system, ripped open our borders, allowed diseased aliens to go unchecked, has gutted our Constitution, has caused states rights to be trampled, and his corrupt media is silencing, censoring all opposing voices.


We cannot survive as a free country under two more years of his destructive plan and ruthless attitude.

get a grip

[protectionist]

get a grip

Why should she ? If it were true that Obama IS an "anarchist, lying repeatedly to hide his true agenda", what exactly would he be doing differently ?

[Green Arrow]

I think everything that is happening is part of a huge plan, bigger than any one of us has envisioned. Little by little pieces of the puzzle are falling into place. Probably with mega billions backing it from a foreign source. Obama is not an American, never was, never will be. He has done everything to bring this nation to it's knees. He is the anarchist, lying repeatedly to hide his true agenda. There is too much too ignore to think otherwise.


He has weakened our military, abandoned foreign policy, alienated our allies, coddled our enemies, crippled our economy, fractured our society, neutered Congress, destroyed our health care system, ripped open our borders, allowed diseased aliens to go unchecked, has gutted our Constitution, has caused states rights to be trampled, and his corrupt media is silencing, censoring all opposing voices.


We cannot survive as a free country under two more years of his destructive plan and ruthless attitude.

Obama is not an anarchist. Not even close.

[Redrose]

[QUOTE=Dr. Who;706971]How can you take an isolated incident and extrapolate it to all Columbians? Why did these girls not tell their parents that the new kid was predatory or perhaps they did and weren't listened to? It would seem that if the parents sent away their girls and kept the adoptive boy, they have some serious issues. They could easily have either sent him back or put him in the system. Being liberal doesn't mean being a complete whack job for goodness sake.[/QUOTE


The authorities made that decision for them. See how it works. The adopted kid, now in the system as a rapist....alleged rapist, has rights. His victims were taken from mommy and daddy, to go to granny.

The girls were young, and as most young rape victims, were intimidated, fearful of telling. Finally, when they did tell, that very day, action was taken.

Not all Columbians are bad, that's why they wanted to adopt a poor child and remove him from that culture. What they didn't expect was that he would bring that culture to their home.

Just like the adoption attorney said, "he was just doing what came naturally" in Columbia. That's what you get in a lawless society, run by warlords, drug runners, slave traffickers and the like.

I'd prefer not to risk it.

[Dr. Who]

[QUOTE=Dr. Who;706971]How can you take an isolated incident and extrapolate it to all Columbians? Why did these girls not tell their parents that the new kid was predatory or perhaps they did and weren't listened to? It would seem that if the parents sent away their girls and kept the adoptive boy, they have some serious issues. They could easily have either sent him back or put him in the system. Being liberal doesn't mean being a complete whack job for goodness sake.[/QUOTE


The authorities made that decision for them. See how it works. The adopted kid, now in the system as a rapist....alleged rapist, has rights. His victims were taken from mommy and daddy, to go to granny.

The girls were young, and as most young rape victims, were intimidated, fearful of telling. Finally, when they did tell, that very day, action was taken.

Not all Columbians are bad, that's why they wanted to adopt a poor child and remove him from that culture. What they didn't expect was that he would bring that culture to their home.

Just like the adoption attorney said, "he was just doing what came naturally" in Columbia. That's what you get in a lawless society, run by warlords, drug runners, slave traffickers and the like.

I'd prefer not to risk it.
It might be natural in some instances in Columbia, but rape of children is not the status quo in very Catholic Columbia. I don't know where that unfortunate child came from, but I do agree that the parents should have considered his prior environment before bringing him into a home with two very young girls. Since the adoption attorney seems to have known so much, didn't he warn the parents of this boy's environment? If they took him knowing all the risks, I agree, they were negligent stupid people. You don't bring a wolf in among the sheep and then complain that they do what comes naturally. If that is the case, they deserve to have lost their children.

[Professor Peabody]

Via The Washington Times (http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jul/28/tennessee-gov-haslam-slams-white-house-secret-dump/):

This is fucking bullshit, man. Dump them in fucking Illinois, you bastard! Make your own state take responsibility!

Did you vote for Obama?

[Redrose]

get a grip


Typical, vacant, liberal response.

[Redrose]

Obama is not an anarchist. Not even close.

I definitely do not agree, but I respect your right to have that opinion.

[Green Arrow]

Did you vote for Obama?

How is that relevant to the topic?

[Green Arrow]

I definitely do not agree, but I respect your right to have that opinion.

Thing is, it's not an opinion, it's a fact. To be an anarchist, you have to be anti-state. Obama is a statist, which is the polar opposite of anarchist. Saying Obama is an anarchist is like saying Karl Marx was a capitalist.

[Redrose]

Thing is, it's not an opinion, it's a fact. To be an anarchist, you have to be anti-state. Obama is a statist, which is the polar opposite of anarchist. Saying Obama is an anarchist is like saying Karl Marx was a capitalist.

Anarchism is usually considered a radical left-wing ideology, and much of anarchist economics and anarchist legal philosophy reflect anti-authoritarian interpretations of communism, collectivism, syndicalism, mutualism, or participatory economics.

Obama is hiding behind the image of a statist.

For months, we Conservatives, Tea Partiers in particular, have been called terrorists, anarchists, un-American and even arsonists by crazy Pelosi. We were called those names by left wing kooks who claim we are undermining our government. Well, I will throw their words right back at them. I believe Obama is undermining our government with every stroke of his pen and his distain for our Constitution. I will say it again, he is the anarchist, he is the terrorist, he is un-American and if he plays with matches, he may be an arsonist too. Check with Pelosi on that.

"When government seeks to achieve greater equality of outcome through force, it overturns the justice of equality before the law and violates individual rights. The danger to prosperity and liberty is not economic inequality or unfettered markets but a rights-violating government".

That was defining egalitarian statism. It is an excerpt from a political science textbook that belongs to my husband. Obama calls that a fair shot. He's wrong, on everything.

I politely disagreed with your post, and graciously stated I respect your right to have that opinion, view, position, but you felt compelled to force the issue.

[Redrose]

How can you take an isolated incident and extrapolate it to all Columbians? Why did these girls not tell their parents that the new kid was predatory or perhaps they did and weren't listened to? It would seem that if the parents sent away their girls and kept the adoptive boy, they have some serious issues. They could easily have either sent him back or put him in the system. Being liberal doesn't mean being a complete whack job for goodness sake.

I don't believe I said it applied to all Columbians. The people I was referring to are the subject of this thread, the illegals from Central America. Columbia is in South America. The point is, they have a very different culture for the most part. Many recent immigrants, legal or illegal refuse to assimilate.

As to my step-daughter's family, the serious issues they have is wanting to give a good home to needy child, and being a good Christian. Precisely what our government is asking us to do with these illegal kids on our Southern border. Several families in their Church did the same thing, but with better results.