View Full Version : Breaking News: “Bin Laden” Heroes Probably Murderered to Keep Them Quiet
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/08/06/breaking-news-bin-laden-troops-probably-murderered-to-keep-them-quiet/
Hey guys tell me what you think of this.....
Conley
08-06-2011, 09:33 PM
I think it's bull crap really. I could believe that the OBL killing was staged, but I don't believe we would kill that many of our own elites just to keep them quiet. There are other ways of keeping people quiet and I don't think that many, if any, were security risks.
Mister D
08-06-2011, 09:40 PM
No surprise the guy is a 9/11 and 7/7 truther.
No surprise the guy is a 9/11 and 7/7 truther.
Yeah and uses a Vet site to put this type of stuff out. I was looking at the comments about Gates and Petraeus.
Conley
08-06-2011, 10:00 PM
No surprise the guy is a 9/11 and 7/7 truther.
Yeah and uses a Vet site to put this type of stuff out. I was looking at the comments about Gates and Petraeus.
Yeah that surprised me...If I were a brother of one of the fallen, I'd stomp that mf'er.
Mister D
08-07-2011, 09:01 AM
No surprise the guy is a 9/11 and 7/7 truther.
Yeah and uses a Vet site to put this type of stuff out. I was looking at the comments about Gates and Petraeus.
That really surprised me too. I was going to ask if this sort of thinking is normal for the site. If not, I wonder if the editors had any reservations about putting it up. Well freedom of speech and all...
No surprise the guy is a 9/11 and 7/7 truther.
Yeah and uses a Vet site to put this type of stuff out. I was looking at the comments about Gates and Petraeus.
That really surprised me too. I was going to ask if this sort of thinking is normal for the site. If not, I wonder if the editors had any reservations about putting it up. Well freedom of speech and all...
Well one does have to question why we were sending in 22 Navy Seals to take down 8 Taliban members when there were troops on the ground that were already engaged. Something does not make sense. Thats for sure.
Mister D
08-07-2011, 09:19 AM
No surprise the guy is a 9/11 and 7/7 truther.
Yeah and uses a Vet site to put this type of stuff out. I was looking at the comments about Gates and Petraeus.
That really surprised me too. I was going to ask if this sort of thinking is normal for the site. If not, I wonder if the editors had any reservations about putting it up. Well freedom of speech and all...
Well one does have to question why we were sending in 22 Navy Seals to take down 8 Taliban members when there were troops on the ground that were already engaged. Something does not make sense. Thats for sure.
Understood but he doesn't sound like he is asking any questions. Seems like he already has the answers.
Conley
08-07-2011, 09:25 AM
No surprise the guy is a 9/11 and 7/7 truther.
Yeah and uses a Vet site to put this type of stuff out. I was looking at the comments about Gates and Petraeus.
That really surprised me too. I was going to ask if this sort of thinking is normal for the site. If not, I wonder if the editors had any reservations about putting it up. Well freedom of speech and all...
Well one does have to question why we were sending in 22 Navy Seals to take down 8 Taliban members when there were troops on the ground that were already engaged. Something does not make sense. Thats for sure.
Agreed but we will never know the details of the kinds of operations. They could have gotten intel about a high ranking Taliban in the area, or a weapons shipment, or some other high value target.
Yeah still even when they went in to get Bin Laden what was it like 12 Seals. Now 22 Seals for 8 Taliban. The AP does not state they were going anywheres else.. This guy I dont know where he is getting his info. But he should not be making such accusations out-right.
Like Conley Stated they could have been going elsewheres and no one knows right now. Still Karzai and the US are claiming it was a crash. The Taliban say they took it down with an RPG. Now I would say we need to start questioning what the Media is putting out there. Seems the UN NATO and the US are trying to not show ANY favorable coverage that shows the enemy making their scores.
Conley
08-07-2011, 09:48 AM
Wouldn't it be natural for the US, NATO, and the UN to not want to give any credit to the Taliban? Is that a bad thing? I'm ok with that. Technically you could say it's not even lying...the chopper crashed. The fact that an RPG hit the chopper was a contributing cause of the crash, but they can just leave that part out. I don't expect the AP to know the real scoop on why all these guys were there, where they were going and what they were doing. As far as I'm concerned, the less the media knows about these kinds of things the better, otherwise you are dealing with security leaks. MMC you have an interesting perspective given your history so I am curious what you think about all this.
Wouldn't it be natural for the US, NATO, and the UN to not want to give any credit to the Taliban? Is that a bad thing? I'm ok with that. Technically you could say it's not even lying...the chopper crashed. The fact that an RPG hit the chopper was a contributing cause of the crash, but they can just leave that part out. I don't expect the AP to know the real scoop on why all these guys were there, where they were going and what they were doing. As far as I'm concerned, the less the media knows about these kinds of things the better, otherwise you are dealing with security leaks. MMC you have an interesting perspective given your history so I am curious what you think about all this.
Well that is sort of why I put this article. I am questioning Command on this. Like I said nothing seems to add up why 22 Seals would be needed for 8 Taliban fighting from inside a house with troopers on the ground. Being already engaged. Also note that this area even the Civilians are against us. This is Taliban Turf and the ones that are not scared to take on US Troops. Still why would we drop close to 40 guys to try and hold a town that would be all against us just to take out 8 Taliban members. Plus Using NAVY Seals.
Why would they not use Airborne Rangers and or Rangers to control the town at least to the point so that Afghani Security forces could control the civilian sector. To me none of this makes any sense to use Special Forces Units to lead an Assault and there is no mention that there was some covert op as of yet. Which could be released in a few days.
Also they have not stated anything about what NATO serviceman was killed Friday and who was killed Sat.....in another province.
Conley
08-07-2011, 03:09 PM
So it turns out that the SEALS were on a mission to save Rangers...
"The U.S. Navy SEALs and other troops whose helicopter was shot down in eastern Afghanistan had rushed to the mountainous area to help a U.S. Army Ranger unit that was under fire from insurgents, two U.S. officials said Sunday."
So it turns out that the SEALS were on a mission to save Rangers...
"The U.S. Navy SEALs and other troops whose helicopter was shot down in eastern Afghanistan had rushed to the mountainous area to help a U.S. Army Ranger unit that was under fire from insurgents, two U.S. officials said Sunday."
They say how many insurgents?
Conley
08-07-2011, 03:53 PM
I don't see it:
KABUL, Afghanistan — The U.S. Navy SEALs and other troops whose helicopter was shot down in eastern Afghanistan had rushed to the mountainous area to help a U.S. Army Ranger unit that was under fire from insurgents, two U.S. officials said Sunday.
The rescue team had completed the mission, subduing the attackers who had the Rangers pinned down, and were departing in their Chinook helicopter when the aircraft was apparently hit, one of the officials said.
Thirty Americans and 8 Afghans were killed in the crash, making it the deadliest single loss for U.S. forces in the decade-long war in Afghanistan. The Rangers, special operations forces who work regularly with the SEALs, afterward secured the crash site in the Tangi Joy Zarin area of Wardak province, about 60 miles (97 kilometers) southwest of Kabul, the other official said.
Both officials spoke on condition of anonymity to describe the event, as the investigation is still ongoing. The SEAL mission was first reported by CNN.
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The Associated Press
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/aug/07/seals-killed-in-afghan-crash-on-rescue-mission/
Mister D
08-07-2011, 04:43 PM
I'm not sure what exactly to believe at this point but you better be damn certain about something before you make the kind of allegations this guy did. I wonder what other vets are saying who read this site.
I'm not sure what exactly to believe at this point but you better be damn certain about something before you make the kind of allegations this guy did. I wonder what other vets are saying who read this site.
Now that I see what took place that would explain what the hell happened. He was way out with that shit. Like I sated earlier something hadnt come out as of yet. if that was all it would definately have to be questioned. As the AP pointed out.....they work with Rangers for Extraction and rescuse behind enemy lines. SOP!!!!!
Still Karzai out-right lied to his people and now they will know it. As the US confirms the Copter was hit. Confirming that the Taliban did in fact take it out with an RPG. Son-of bitch.<spits>
Thanks CL.....
Conley
08-07-2011, 05:30 PM
How did Karzai lie?
I'm sure it won't be the last time. :-\
How did Karzai lie?
I'm sure it won't be the last time. :-\
Because in the thread where we put the 31 Spec Ops Units Died Karzai released it was a helicopter crash. The US did not confirm but was investigating at the time.
Mister D
08-08-2011, 08:06 PM
How did Karzai lie?
I'm sure it won't be the last time. :-\
Because in the thread where we put the 31 Spec Ops Units Died Karzai released it was a helicopter crash. The US did not confirm but was investigating at the time.
Do you frequent that site? I was wondering what other vets are saying about this article.
Conley
08-08-2011, 08:13 PM
How did Karzai lie?
I'm sure it won't be the last time. :-\
Because in the thread where we put the 31 Spec Ops Units Died Karzai released it was a helicopter crash. The US did not confirm but was investigating at the time.
Do you frequent that site? I was wondering what other vets are saying about this article.
Karzai said it was a helicopter crash...did he say the cause of the crash? A mechanical malfunction? I don't blame him for not wanting to credit the Taliban for this.
How did Karzai lie?
I'm sure it won't be the last time. :-\
Because in the thread where we put the 31 Spec Ops Units Died Karzai released it was a helicopter crash. The US did not confirm but was investigating at the time.
Do you frequent that site? I was wondering what other vets are saying about this article.
Karzai said it was a helicopter crash...did he say the cause of the crash? A mechanical malfunction? I don't blame him for not wanting to credit the Taliban for this.
Why his ass is one of them.....Taliban I mean. Plus him and his brother were controlling that Opium trade.
Conley
08-08-2011, 11:25 PM
:D Oh that...yeah. I have no doubt they've made bank on opium. Everyone there has, especially since the U.S. has moved in.
:D Oh that...yeah. I have no doubt they've made bank on opium. Everyone there has, especially since the U.S. has moved in.
Yeah he will still say crash.....even if it was shot down. Gotta play that plotical propaganda game.
Mister D
08-09-2011, 07:49 AM
I stil don't understand how 40 people can fit in a helicopter.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinook_helicopter
http://ts1.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=1031158768520&id=e1ff76ebe59e011338737fa2fea9cef1&url=http%3a%2f%2fhoneywellnow.files.wordpress.com% 2f2009%2f08%2fchinook.jpg http://ts1.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=1014180818344&id=e6cd8c1f49d582838e76b2738ebad295&url=http%3a%2f%2fi.dailymail.co.uk%2fi%2fpix%2f200 9%2f08%2f20%2farticle-1207923-0525621A0000044D-104_468x286_popup.jpg
Here let me help you with that D..... ;)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a3/CH-47_2.jpg/300px-CH-47_2.jpg
Field artillery section sling loading an M198 howitzer for airlift by a CH-47 Chinook
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8b/RHIB-helicopter.jpg/220px-RHIB-helicopter.jpg
A CH-47 in a training exercise with US Navy Special Warfare, in July 2008
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6c/Pinnacle_manuever.jpg/220px-Pinnacle_manuever.jpg
A CH-47F practicing the Pinnacle maneuver whereby soldiers are deposited without the helicopter landing.
Some in the Army aviation corps thought that the new helicopter should be a light tactical transport aimed at taking over the missions of the old piston-engined H-21 and H-34 helicopters, and consequently capable of carrying about fifteen troops (one squad). Another faction in the Army aviation corps thought that the new helicopter should be much larger to be able to airlift a large artillery piece, and have enough internal space to carry the new MGM-31 "Pershing" Missile System.
In today's usage it is typically escorted by attack helicopters such as the AH-64 Apache for protection.[30][31] Its tandem rotor design and lift capacity have been found to be particularly useful in the mountainous terrain of Afghanistan where high altitudes and temperatures limit the use of the UH-60 Black Hawk.[2] The CH-47F is being fielded by more units such as the 101st Combat Aviation Brigade and 4th Combat Aviation Brigade in the U.S. Army as it continues to operate in Afghanistan.[citation needed]
Mister D
08-09-2011, 08:51 AM
:D Ok then. Now I see. It always helps to have a visual. But this isn't the kind of helicopter that would make a combat landing.
:D Ok then. Now I see. It always helps to have a visual. But this isn't the kind of helicopter that would make a combat landing.
Did you read the link my brutha.....they use this for rescues as well even to go to the front lines. Due to its speed, and for the reason they do not have to land on the ground. Also usually it is accompanied by Apache Attack Helicopters. Althought nothing was said if they were with when this took place.
Thought they state they are better than the Blackhawk and for use in mountanious terrain. Or when there are storms.
Mister D
08-09-2011, 09:58 AM
:D Ok then. Now I see. It always helps to have a visual. But this isn't the kind of helicopter that would make a combat landing.
Did you read the link my brutha.....they use this for rescues as well even to go to the front lines. Due to its speed, and for the reason they do not have to land on the ground. Also usually it is accompanied by Apache Attack Helicopters. Althought nothing was said if they were with when this took place.
Thought they state they are better than the Blackhawk and for use in mountanious terrain. Or when there are storms.
Looks pretty clumsy to me. It just doesn't look very manuveurable.
:D Ok then. Now I see. It always helps to have a visual. But this isn't the kind of helicopter that would make a combat landing.
Did you read the link my brutha.....they use this for rescues as well even to go to the front lines. Due to its speed, and for the reason they do not have to land on the ground. Also usually it is accompanied by Apache Attack Helicopters. Althought nothing was said if they were with when this took place.
Thought they state they are better than the Blackhawk and for use in mountanious terrain. Or when there are storms.
Looks pretty clumsy to me. It just doesn't look very manuveurable.
Yeah I agree it does.....no doubt there. Althought i wonder how it would do in jungle Warfare?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c2/Huey1.jpg/300px-Huey1.jpg
I was more use to these.....
Mister D
08-09-2011, 10:28 AM
:D Ok then. Now I see. It always helps to have a visual. But this isn't the kind of helicopter that would make a combat landing.
Did you read the link my brutha.....they use this for rescues as well even to go to the front lines. Due to its speed, and for the reason they do not have to land on the ground. Also usually it is accompanied by Apache Attack Helicopters. Althought nothing was said if they were with when this took place.
Thought they state they are better than the Blackhawk and for use in mountanious terrain. Or when there are storms.
Looks pretty clumsy to me. It just doesn't look very manuveurable.
Yeah I agree it does.....no doubt there. Althought i wonder how it would do in jungle Warfare?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c2/Huey1.jpg/300px-Huey1.jpg
I was more use to these.....
That's what I had in mind too.
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