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Chris
08-22-2014, 03:58 PM
What To Do With All of the Poo? (http://modernfarmer.com/2014/08/manure-usa/)


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Everybody poops; animals just happen to do it more than the rest of us. A lactating dairy cow can produce 150 pounds of manure every day. Twenty broiler chickens will produce over four pounds a day. Whether a farmer has one cow or 1,000, manure problems are the likeliest route to trouble with the neighbors.

Though the exact laws and cut-offs vary by state, large farms are required to create and file Nutrient Management Plans. In essence, these plans detail the estimated amount of manure produced, how it will be stored and where it will end up. But if you’re one hog under the cut off, there’s no filing required. Unfortunately, many new farmers, hobbyists or animal lovers don’t realize the trouble they’re in until its too late. So how do you solve a problem like manure? From non-farmers — with a horse to the largest industrial hen houses — people are coming up with ingenious ways to take the damage out of dung and occasionally making some extra money while they’re at it.

One solution is the “manure share”. Think of it as the Craigslist of crap.

These mostly localized manure shares pair animal owners with gardeners, farmers and landscapers in need....


So as you can sense, it's a big problem!

PolWatch
08-22-2014, 04:08 PM
One of my best Mother's Day gifts was when my husband & son went to guy who raised rabbits & bought me a 2 wheel trailer full of rabbit poo! It was wonderful in my organic raised beds....we had the best veggie crop ever!

Chris
08-22-2014, 04:12 PM
Every spring I'd go find farm animal poo to fertilize the garden. I was born on a farm so it smelled sweet to me, the neighbors didn't agree!

PolWatch
08-22-2014, 04:13 PM
Every spring I'd go find farm animal poo to fertilize the garden. I was born on a farm so it smelled sweet to me, the neighbors didn't agree!

just tell 'em tuff-stuff....beauty is in the nose of the beholder (or sumthin like that)

KC
08-22-2014, 04:45 PM
Automobiles were initially hailed as environmental saviors because they would get rid of the horse manure crowding large city streets. It was a big problem.

Captain Obvious
08-22-2014, 06:18 PM
Automobiles were initially hailed as environmental saviors because they would get rid of the horse manure crowding large city streets. It was a big problem.

We swallowed the frog to catch the fly.

Chloe
08-22-2014, 06:21 PM
The fact that most cities are built and managed around cars is also a bad thing in my opinion. It's hard to change culture and the variety of transportation methods that we use when most everything is meant for cars.

Redrose
08-22-2014, 06:22 PM
One of my best Mother's Day gifts was when my husband & son went to guy who raised rabbits & bought me a 2 wheel trailer full of rabbit poo! It was wonderful in my organic raised beds....we had the best veggie crop ever!


We get riders on horses occasionally and I usually pick up the poop for my garden. It works wonders.

Peter1469
08-22-2014, 06:22 PM
Turn it into methanol. Run the farm off the grid.


What To Do With All of the Poo? (http://modernfarmer.com/2014/08/manure-usa/)




So as you can sense, it's a big problem!

Peter1469
08-22-2014, 06:24 PM
The fact that most cities are built and managed around cars is also a bad thing in my opinion. It's hard to change culture and the variety of transportation methods that we use when most everything is meant for cars.

My current neighborhood is rated 100 on the walkability scale (http://sallis.ucsd.edu/measure_news.html).

Polecat
08-22-2014, 07:07 PM
Turn it into methanol. Run the farm off the grid.

Exactly! This is done in the back woods of India. The apparatus is stupid simple.

Captain Obvious
08-22-2014, 07:15 PM
Exactly! This is done in the back woods of India. The apparatus is stupid simple.

Problem is they have a tendency to drink that stuff too and wipe out half of the village.

If they're not packing 600 people on a 50 person limit ferry and flipping it over or hanging on to the outside of a moving train window they're drinking gasoline.

And they're nuclear armed, isn't that comforting?

:biglaugh:

Chris
08-22-2014, 07:55 PM
The fact that most cities are built and managed around cars is also a bad thing in my opinion. It's hard to change culture and the variety of transportation methods that we use when most everything is meant for cars.



Government and the rich have too much tied up in cars and roads to allow for the development of alternatives.

Carlsen
08-22-2014, 07:58 PM
What To Do With All of the Poo? (http://modernfarmer.com/2014/08/manure-usa/)




So as you can sense, it's a big problem!


It is no problem. It can be put in this yard behind Rob Ford house and he can put it in his garden :)
Mayor Rob Ford:
http://www.thestar.com/news/city_hall/2012/05/28/conservation_officials_say_mayor_rob_ford_shouldnt _be_sold_parkland.html



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Polecat
08-23-2014, 09:59 AM
Actually the gizmo they use generates methane. They run a generator off of the gas.

donttread
08-23-2014, 01:12 PM
What To Do With All of the Poo? (http://modernfarmer.com/2014/08/manure-usa/)




So as you can sense, it's a big problem!

150 pounds a day sounds like a lot for one cow.That's a lot of chewing

Peter1469
08-23-2014, 01:12 PM
moo

Polecat
08-23-2014, 01:22 PM
150 pounds a day sounds like a lot for one cow.That's a lot of chewing

That is well fed and watered cattle. Those poor things on the African Savannah poop dust.

Chris
08-23-2014, 01:35 PM
150 pounds a day sounds like a lot for one cow.That's a lot of chewing

OK, OK, you made me verify, and, yes, that seems high:


How much manure does each animal produce?

Generally all types of cattle produce large amounts of manure: bulls (42 kg/day), beef cows (37 kg/day), steers (26 kg/day), heifers (24 kg/day) and calves (12 kg/day). Milk cows produce the most manure at 62 kg per day, which is about 10% of the weight of an average cow.

In contrast, the different categories of pigs including weaners, sows, boars and market hogs produce much smaller amounts of manure, between 1 and 4 kg per day.

Of all livestock types examined, poultry produce the least amount of manure, with each bird producing less than 1 kg of manure per day.

Source(s): Statistics Canada, 2006, A Geographical Profile of Manure Production in Canada, 2001, Catalogue no. 21-601-M, (accessed October 19, 2008).

From here (http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/16-002-x/2008004/article/10751-eng.htm), but several other sources corroborate that.


Note, 42 kilograms = 92.59 pounds, 62 kilograms = 136.69 pounds.

CreepyOldDude
08-25-2014, 04:08 PM
Exactly! This is done in the back woods of India. The apparatus is stupid simple.

I thought they were using methane, not methanol? A methane digester is a lot simpler than a still for methanol.

CreepyOldDude
08-25-2014, 04:11 PM
Problem is they have a tendency to drink that stuff too and wipe out half of the village.

If they're not packing 600 people on a 50 person limit ferry and flipping it over or hanging on to the outside of a moving train window they're drinking gasoline.

And they're nuclear armed, isn't that comforting?

:biglaugh:

The same thing used to happen here in the US. The country Indians like their moonshine, and the guys who make it are cutting it with methanol to stretch inventory. At least they're not using ethanol.

PolWatch
08-25-2014, 04:13 PM
My father in law used to tell us that he ran vehicles on moonshine...I always thought he was telling a tall tale!

CreepyOldDude
08-25-2014, 04:19 PM
My father in law used to tell us that he ran vehicles on moonshine...I always thought he was telling a tall tale!

People in the country would run on moonshine, during WWII. There was gasoline rationing, so moonshine was a way around it. My grandfather's Model T could run on what was called ground oil, which is the oil that seeps up to the surface from underground sometimes. It didn't run great, but it ran.

donttread
08-26-2014, 07:47 PM
OK, OK, you made me verify, and, yes, that seems high:



From here (http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/16-002-x/2008004/article/10751-eng.htm), but several other sources corroborate that.


Note, 42 kilograms = 92.59 pounds, 62 kilograms = 136.69 pounds.

LOL. Close enough.

Chris
08-26-2014, 08:55 PM
LOL. Close enough.

Close enough for horseshoes.