What do you think about Quran?

[Hassan]

What do you think about Quran?

[Green Arrow]

I think it's a very interesting book. Muhammad is a rather fascinating individual, and his work reflects that.

[Hassan]

There are 6236 verses in the Quran ... And they do not conflict with each other.

ذَٰلِكَ الْكِتَابُ لَا رَ*يْبَ ۛ فِيهِ ۛ هُدًى لِّلْمُتَّقِينَ ﴿٢ (http://tanzil.net/#2:2)﴾

This is the Book; in it is guidance sure, without doubt, to those who fear Allah. (Al-Baqara | Verse 2)

[momsapplepie]

I reject the ruminations of a drug addicted misogynistic pedophile as addlepated transcriptions by an illiterate fool.
It compares to Alice in Wonderland in the fantasy genre.

[sachem]

I've never read it. Of course I have never read the entire Bible either.

[Hassan]

پیامبر اکرم (ص) : حبب الي من دنياكم ثلاث:الطيب,والنساء وقرة عيني الصلاة
The Holy Prophet (SAW): I was made to love three things from your world: women, and perfume, and the comfort of my eye is in salat.

[Hassan]

I've never read it. Of course I have never read the entire Bible either.

Read the Quran, but be careful translation ... http://tanzil.net

قُولُوا آمَنَّا بِاللَّـهِ وَمَا أُنزِلَ إِلَيْنَا وَمَا أُنزِلَ إِلَىٰ إِبْرَ*اهِيمَ وَإِسْمَاعِيلَ وَإِسْحَاقَ وَيَعْقُوبَ وَالْأَسْبَاطِ وَمَا أُوتِيَ مُوسَىٰ وَعِيسَىٰ وَمَا أُوتِيَ النَّبِيُّونَ مِن رَّ*بِّهِمْ لَا نُفَرِّ*قُ بَيْنَ أَحَدٍ مِّنْهُمْ وَنَحْنُ لَهُ مُسْلِمُونَ ﴿١٣٦ (http://tanzil.net/#2:136)﴾

Say ye: "We believe in Allah, and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) prophets from their Lord: We make no difference between one and another of them: And we bow to Allah (in Islam)." (136 (http://tanzil.net/#trans/en.yusufali/2:136))
Al-Baqara(136)

[Peter1469]

پیامبر اکرم (ص) : حبب الي من دنياكم ثلاث:الطيب,والنساء وقرة عيني الصلاة
The Holy Prophet (SAW): I was made to love three things from your world: women, and perfume, and the comfort of my eye is in salat. 5 times a day right?

[GrassrootsConservative]

Ignorant and fantastic dreck just like all religious texts. No more valuable than any other fairytales.

[Peter1469]

Atheists never cease to amaze.

[Ethereal]

Like most Abrahamic religions, there are some passages that I find very compelling and deep, and some passages that I find regressive and inapplicable to the modern world. That said, I do my best not to pour invective on the religious beliefs of others, so long as they do not attempt to impose those beliefs on me.

[Hassan]

5 times a day right?
yes ... :wink:

[Captain Obvious]

Much like the Bible, it has some historical value but is mostly made up of stories and hyperbole written by fanatics who's agenda was to control other people.

[Alyosha]

There are some beautiful passages within it.

[Libhater]

That said, I do my best not to pour invective on the religious beliefs of others, so long as they do not attempt to impose those beliefs on me.

I don't think these radical Quran-taught cutthroat jihadists are concerned about imposing their radical religious beliefs on you while they're cutting your head off.

[spunkloaf]

I've never read it. I've heard there are beautiful things within it. I know there are beautiful things within the Bible, and also some very macabre and confusing things. I would bet that both texts have that in common.

[Carlsen]

I don't think these radical Quran-taught cutthroat jihadists are concerned about imposing their radical religious beliefs on you while they're cutting your head off.

It is the Talmud that want to kill Christian people

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[Bob]

I think it's a very interesting book. Muhammad is a rather fascinating individual, and his work reflects that.

So you read it Green Arrow?

Do you think Hassan reads your Viking Gods books?

[Bob]

There are some beautiful passages within it.

Do you feel the Book of Mormon has some beautiful passages within it?

If you are able, can you cite some beautiful passages in the Quran?
Alyosha

[The Xl]

I'm not well versed in it, but I'd imagine it's like most other religious texts.

Some good, moral things in it, some horrible, barbaric things in it. The only thing that matters is how it's interpreted and followed by its followers.

[The Xl]

I don't think these radical Quran-taught cutthroat jihadists are concerned about imposing their radical religious beliefs on you while they're cutting your head off.

Good thing most of the Billion or so Muslims aren't radicals. That might be a problem if they were.

[Bob]

Much like the Bible, it has some historical value but is mostly made up of stories and hyperbole written by fanatics who's agenda was to control other people.

You just described the world as Democrats see it. LOL

[Bob]

Good thing most of the Billion or so Muslims aren't radicals. That might be a problem if they were.

They are just like Christians who never read the Bible and may attend Church once in a while.

But if they really believe, they are hateful. They are supposed to be.


http://www.c-span.org/video/?319734-1/islam-west

[Libhater]

Good thing most of the Billion or so Muslims aren't radicals. That might be a problem if they were.

And you know those billion + Muslims aren't radicals, how? Are you married to one of those cowering face-covering abused women who get their heads sliced off if they dare think of changing religions to say Christianity, or take a peek at another rag-headed man? But we all know that the general population are never directly involved in war against a foreign enemy. How many of the German people actually agreed with and or willing to fight for Hitler's war for world domination?

[Alyosha]

Do you feel the Book of Mormon has some beautiful passages within it?

No, I don't think that Joseph Smith is as poetic as say King David was. There is nothing in the Book of Mormon as beautiful as the Psalms.




If you are able, can you cite some beautiful passages in the Quran?
@Alyosha (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=863)

Those who are the true servants of the Most Merciful are those who behave gently and with humility and when the foolish quarrel with them they reply with peace.

[Private Pickle]

What do you think about Quran?

I don't...

[Green Arrow]

So you read it @Green Arrow (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=868)?

Do you think Hassan reads your Viking Gods books?

He probably doesn't, Bob. What's your point?

[sachem]

And you know those billion + Muslims aren't radicals, how? Are you married to one of those cowering face-covering abused women who get their heads sliced off if they dare think of changing religions to say Christianity, or take a peek at another rag-headed man? But we all know that the general population are never directly involved in war against a foreign enemy. How many of the German people actually agreed with and or willing to fight for Hitler's war for world domination?How many, Libby?

[Libhater]

How many, Libby?

How many what? How many Guinness Stouts did I drink down at my favorite Irish pub today, or how many women gave me their phone number today?

[sachem]

How many what? How many Guinness Stouts did I drink down at my favorite Irish pub today, or how many women gave me their phone number today?

"How many of the German people actually agreed with and or willing to fight for Hitler's war for world domination?"

[Bob]

"How many of the German people actually agreed with and or willing to fight for Hitler's war for world domination?"

Thankfully by now the German's as a people have changed so much they do not resemble those of the 1930's. As you can tell, a lot worship Obama and think he is the greatest president ever.

Give you some idea of what the Germans thought of Hitler?

[Bob]

http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Bob http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://thepoliticalforums.com/showthread.php?p=737570#post737570)
Do you feel the Book of Mormon has some beautiful passages within it?


No, I don't think that Joseph Smith is as poetic as say King David was. There is nothing in the Book of Mormon as beautiful as the Psalms.


If you are able, can you cite some beautiful passages in the Quran?
@Alyosha (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=863)

Did you watch the former Muslim woman video I presented that came from Cspan?

By the way, Joseph Smith was far too young and lacked knowledge to have made up the book of Mormon. In other words all he did is translate plates he found. Naturally since it ties into the old testament about 600 BC, one would be surprised were it to have more psalms.

Do you compare the Quran to the psalms @Alyosha (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=863)?

Check this out from a woman.
http://www.c-span.org/video/?319734-1/islam-west





Those who are the true servants of the Most Merciful are those who behave gently and with humility and when the foolish quarrel with them they reply with peace.

How do you like the part of kill the infidel?

[sachem]

Thankfully by now the German's as a people have changed so much they do not resemble those of the 1930's. As you can tell, a lot worship Obama and think he is the greatest president ever.

Give you some idea of what the Germans thought of Hitler?My post was for Libby.

[Alyosha]

Did you watch the former Muslim woman video I presented that came from Cspan?

I am not a Muslim for a reason. I said passages are poetic.




By the way, Joseph Smith was far too young and lacked knowledge to have made up the book of Mormon.

Not really. I could go into the multiple reasons why it's obviously fake beginning with the "King James Elizabethan" language and point out how it is quite easy to have done that but I feel it is disrespectful to my LDS family (inlaws) and friends.

Please, I don't want to hurt you or Dark Mistress. Not a conversation I feel we should have. Okay?

[Bob]

He probably doesn't, @Bob (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1013). What's your point?

My point is the part you refused to reply to. Green Arrow

Did you read the Quran? Not a little bit, but cover to cover?

[Bob]

I am not a Muslim for a reason. I said passages are poetic.



Not really. I could go into the multiple reasons why it's obviously fake beginning with the "King James Elizabethan" language and point out how it is quite easy to have done that but I feel it is disrespectful to my LDS family (inlaws) and friends.

Please, I don't want to hurt you or Dark Mistress. Not a conversation I feel we should have. Okay?

Wouldn't have been nice had you dumped on Muslims as you dumped on me and others? Alyosha

Joseph Smith was not fluent in the King James fashion of speaking.

[Bob]

I am not a Muslim for a reason. I said passages are poetic. said @Alyosha

The video is not to convert you. She explains the Muslim beliefs very well.

[Alyosha]

Wouldn't have been nice had you dumped on Muslims as you dumped on me and others? @Alyosha (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=863)

YOU called me out with an "@" and asked me MY opinion. I didn't start a thread on Mormons. This is on YOU for asking me my honest opinion.



Joseph Smith was not fluent in the King James fashion of speaking.

Sure he wasn't, Bob. Sure. You know that how, again? Oh, your Bishop told you.

Anyway, you seem to let it go right over your head that when Joseph Smith was alive no one speak in Elizabethan English, so whoever "wrote" the Book of Mormon was writing it in the style of the King James and mimicking it because that is what he had to go on and what he wanted it to sound like so it seemed authentic.

If an angel really showed up and told him to put it into English it would have been 19th century English logically, not 14th.

I really advise you not to keep this up with me or I will just make you unhappy with all the other things I could say on this topic.

[Green Arrow]

My point is the part you refused to reply to. @Green Arrow (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=868)

Did you read the Quran? Not a little bit, but cover to cover?

I didn't answer it because I would be repeating myself. I have read it, cover to cover. Can you get on with your point now, Bob?

[Green Arrow]

Bob, I have read the Quran cover to cover. Kindly explain your point.

[Bob]

@Bob (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1013), I have read the Quran cover to cover. Kindly explain your point.

Are you kidding with me?

My point was to find out if you read the Quran. And now i know. Green Arrow

[Green Arrow]

Are you kidding with me?

My point was to find out if you read the Quran. And now i know. @Green Arrow (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=868)

So then why ask if Hassan has read my Asatru books, Bob?

[Bob]

So then why ask if Hassan has read my Asatru books, @Bob (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1013)?

Don't worry. i won't be asking him something like that.

[Green Arrow]

Don't worry. i won't be asking him something like that.

You didn't ask him, you asked me if I thought HE has read MY "holy books." I'm asking you what the purpose of that question was.

[Bob]

You didn't ask him, you asked me if I thought HE has read MY "holy books." I'm asking you what the purpose of that question was.

Oh good god. You just can't help yourself it looks like.

That part was rhetoric. Seems fair each of you read each others books. But of course it does not need to happen that way.

[countryboy]

پیامبر اکرم (ص) : حبب الي من دنياكم ثلاث:الطيب,والنساء وقرة عيني الصلاة
The Holy Prophet (SAW): I was made to love three things from your world: women, and perfume, and the comfort of my eye is in salat.
What did Muhammad ever actually prophesy? Aren't prophecies actually supposed to accurately describe a future event?

[Green Arrow]

What did Muhammad ever actually prophesy? Aren't prophecies actually supposed to accurately describe a future event?

Not according to the dictionary. That is just one of many meanings. Another (which would apply in this circumstance) is, "one gifted with more than ordinary spiritual and moral insight," and "one regarded by a group of followers as the final authoritative revealer of God's will."

[Gerrard Winstanley]

There are prophesies in the Quran. Of course, like their Biblical equivalents, they're "prophesies". If you get my drift.

[countryboy]

There are prophesies in the Quran. Of course, like their Biblical equivalents, they're "prophesies". If you get my drift.

I don't. Please clarify.

[Green Arrow]

I don't. Please clarify.

Nostradamus had prophecies that came true because they were just vague enough to be applied to just about anything.

[countryboy]

Nostradamus had prophecies that came true because they were just vague enough to be applied to just about anything.

I'm sure you have biblical examples you can cite where the exact same thing occurred. Right?

[Captain Obvious]

Nostradamus had prophecies that came true because they were just vague enough to be applied to just about anything.

Fortune cookie syndrome

[Green Arrow]

I'm sure you have biblical examples you can cite where the exact same thing occurred. Right?

Sure. Can you tell me, specifically, to when and to what Daniel 9:24-27 applies?

[PolWatch]

I'm not going to attack anyone's religion. I have read the Bible (cover to cover) a couple of times and studied it a lot. I have tried to read enough of other religions to understand some of their beliefs. I have seen none that (I think) are completely evil and most of them have beauty and hope for their believers. I'm at the point where I don't accept any organized religion but I do think of myself as a Christian. I try to keep the golden rule: do unto others.... and let others worry about themselves.

[Libhater]

I'm not going to attack anyone's religion. I have read the Bible (cover to cover) a couple of times and studied it a lot. I have tried to read enough of other religions to understand some of their beliefs. I have seen none that (I think) are completely evil and most of them have beauty and hope for their believers. I'm at the point where I don't accept any organized religion but I do think of myself as a Christian. I try to keep the golden rule: do unto others.... and let others worry about themselves.

Does that golden rule...do unto others as they would do unto you also apply for you when the followers of the Quran kill any and all infidels?

[CreepyOldDude]

There are 6236 verses in the Quran ... And they do not conflict with each other.

ذَٰلِكَ الْكِتَابُ لَا رَ*يْبَ ۛ فِيهِ ۛ هُدًى لِّلْمُتَّقِينَ ﴿٢ (http://tanzil.net/#2:2)﴾

This is the Book; in it is guidance sure, without doubt, to those who fear Allah. (Al-Baqara | Verse 2)

We must have read different versions, then.


By the Star when it plunges, your comrade is not astray, neither errs, nor speaks he out of caprice. This is naught but a revelation revealed, taught HIM by ONE terrible in power, very strong; HE STOOD POISED, being on the higher horizon, THEN DREW NEAR and suspended hung, two bows’-length away, or nearer, then REVEALED TO HIS SERVANT that HE REVEALED. His heart lies not of what he saw; what, will you dispute with him what he sees? Indeed, he SAW HIM ANOTHER TIME by the Lote-Tree of the Boundary nigh which is the Garden of the Refuge, when there covered the Lote-Tree that which covered; his eye swerved not; nor swept astray. Indeed, he saw one of the greatest signs of his Lord. S. 53:1-18 Arberry


I said to 'Aisha, "O Mother! Did Prophet Muhammad see his Lord?" Aisha said, "What you have said makes my hair stand on end! Know that if somebody tells you one of the following three things, HE IS A LIAR: Whoever tells you that Muhammad saw his Lord, IS A LIAR." Then Aisha recited the Verse:
‘No vision can grasp Him, but His grasp is over all vision. He is the Most Courteous Well-Acquainted with all things.’ (6.103) ‘It is not fitting for a human being that Allah should speak to him except by inspiration or from behind a veil.’ (42.51) ‘Aisha further said, "And whoever tells you that the Prophet knows what is going to happen tomorrow, is a liar." She then recited:
‘No soul can know what it will earn tomorrow.’ (31.34) She added: "And whoever tells you that he concealed (some of Allah's orders), is a liar." Then she recited: ‘O Apostle! Proclaim (the Message) which has been sent down to you from your Lord…’ (5.67) ‘Aisha added. "But the Prophet saw Gabriel in his true form twice." (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 6, Book 60, Number 378 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/060.sbt.html#006.060.378))

[Captain Obvious]

We must have read different versions, then.

That's the thing about religion and holy books, it's really easy to poke holes in them but the standard comeback is some supernatural hocus pocus that ties it all together.

I'm not slamming faith either, I'm a Christian and I believe. In Christ that is, and God - not man or his interpretations. But the person who admits that faith is just that, a leap of faith tells me that this person is thinking, not reacting.

[Bob]

I'm not going to attack anyone's religion. I have read the Bible (cover to cover) a couple of times and studied it a lot. I have tried to read enough of other religions to understand some of their beliefs. I have seen none that (I think) are completely evil and most of them have beauty and hope for their believers. I'm at the point where I don't accept any organized religion but I do think of myself as a Christian. I try to keep the golden rule: do unto others.... and let others worry about themselves.

Remember this. You are perfect.

A lot do attack. Even my religion is attacked. And we are Christians.

[Redrose]

I reject the ruminations of a drug addicted misogynistic pedophile as addlepated transcriptions by an illiterate fool.
It compares to Alice in Wonderland in the fantasy genre.


Maybe that's where they get hacking heads off, in Alice.....the Queen of Hearts screams "off with their heads".

[PolWatch]

Does that golden rule...do unto others as they would do unto you also apply for you when the followers of the Quran kill any and all infidels?

yeap...no prob with defending myself at all.

[Green Arrow]

Remember this. You are perfect.

A lot do attack. Even my religion is attacked. And we are Christians.

I thought you were Mormon?

[Captain Obvious]

I thought you were Mormon?

Satire?

[Redrose]

Mormons are Christians.

[countryboy]

Mormons are Christians.
In what way?

[Bob]

http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Redrose http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://thepoliticalforums.com/showthread.php?p=739615#post739615)
Mormons are Christians.


In what way?

By worshiping Jesus the savior!

[Captain Obvious]

Mormons are Christians.

With magic underwear.

[Bob]

Mormons are Christians.

That we are. A little known thing about us is that on any given Sunday, unlike Muslims who pray 5 times per day, we pray in the name of Jesus Christ about 20 times.

[Bob]

With magic underwear.

You said that before. What is magic about white underwear?

[Captain Obvious]

You said that before. What is magic about white underwear?

It changes colors depending on your mood.

[countryboy]

By worshiping Jesus the savior!
Not the Jesus orthodox Christianity worships. Can't be the same one with a completely different nature. Our Jesus is not the spirit brother of Satan. Our Jesus wasn't conceived and begotten of Heavenly Father and one of Heavenly Father's many wives. Our Jesus didn't progress to godhood, He is God. Big differences. We can't both be right.

[Bob]

http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Bob http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://thepoliticalforums.com/showthread.php?p=739309#post739309)
Remember this. You are perfect.

A lot do attack. Even my religion is attacked. And we are Christians.


I thought you were Mormon?

Yes and we are still Christians.

Do you recall the entire name of the church?

Church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints.

As I said earlier, on a Sunday if one attends sacrament meeting to worship Jesus who died for us on the cross, we pray in his name maybe 10 times or so, and on to Priesthood meeting with up to 4 prayers to Jesus, followed by Sunday school, (2 more times)

There is no secret handshake to be Christian.

[Bob]

http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Bob http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://thepoliticalforums.com/showthread.php?p=739619#post739619)
By worshiping Jesus the savior!


Not the Jesus orthodox Christianity worships. Can't be the same one with a completely different nature. Our Jesus is not the spirit brother of Satan. Our Jesus wasn't conceived and begotten of Heavenly Father and one of Heavenly Father's many wives. Our Jesus didn't progress to godhood, He is God. Big differences. We can't both be right.

Jesus is the son of God. Why don't you take a crack at who created Satan since you do not believe in a God the creator of all.

You can't escape that Satan too was created by God. Satin fell out of favor with Jesus and God his father.

Jesus is one God. Just as you have a father, so does Jesus.

Is this forum really aching for a doctrine fest?

Let me put it this way. My church and Jesus includes all of you. Your church excludes people.

[Bob]

It changes colors depending on your mood.

This is news to me. And I knew all about this from probably 1950.

[Bob]

yeap...no prob with defending myself at all.

See, you are perfect. Told you so.

[Captain Obvious]

Not the Jesus orthodox Christianity worships. Can't be the same one with a completely different nature. Our Jesus is not the spirit brother of Satan. Our Jesus wasn't conceived and begotten of Heavenly Father and one of Heavenly Father's many wives. Our Jesus didn't progress to godhood, He is God. Big differences. We can't both be right.

So do you think that, say you and Bob die at the exact same time. Bobsledding mishap, and you both arrive at the pearly gates. Jesus is there and is looking over your documents.

To one of you he says "ok, everything is in order, go ahead in" and to the other he says "wait - I know the information you had at hand was vague at best but here... line 12 on page 345, you got this part wrong, fuck you - off to hell with you".

You really believe that?

[Bob]

So do you think that, say you and Bob die at the exact same time. Bobsledding mishap, and you both arrive at the pearly gates. Jesus is there and is looking over your documents.

To one of you he says "ok, everything is in order, go ahead in" and to the other he says "wait - I know the information you had at hand was vague at best but here... line 12 on page 345, you got this part wrong, fuck you - off to hell with you".

You really believe that?

His church might talk that way. My church does not.

[Green Arrow]

So do you think that, say you and Bob die at the exact same time. Bobsledding mishap, and you both arrive at the pearly gates. Jesus is there and is looking over your documents.

To one of you he says "ok, everything is in order, go ahead in" and to the other he says "wait - I know the information you had at hand was vague at best but here... line 12 on page 345, you got this part wrong, fuck you - off to hell with you".

You really believe that?

Are they both warriors, and did they die honorably?

[Redrose]

Bob, don't sweat it. There are some Christian religions that say Catholics are not Christians. I have no patience with that thinking. You know you are Christian, I know you are Christian, Jesus knows we're both Christians. That's all that matters.

There is nothing wrong with modest white undies. I'd rather have that than what I saw in Walmart recently, a rough looking beefy young thing, sort of a 16 year old Honey Boo Boo, midriff out, cut off short shorts, and a very grungy looking T-back that might have been white originally, very visible as she bent over. Very nasty. I raced home to wash my eyes out.

[del]

more importantly, did they die with their weapon in their hand?

[Redrose]

more importantly, did they die with their weapon in their hand?

Del, all joking aside, I think we Christians may be called soon to really defend our faith and not on a political forum, but a real battle. We all should be joining forces not nit picking our differences like some are doing.

[Green Arrow]

Del, all joking aside, I think we Christians may be called soon to really defend our faith and not on a political forum, but a real battle. We all should be joining forces not nit picking our differences like some are doing.

For what it's worth, if the Christians are ever forced to take up arms in defense of themselves, I will bring glory to my gods and fight at your side.

[Dark Mistress]

I have never read the whole Quran, but I find much of it beautiful. I took Intro to Islam in college and was fascinated with Islam.

[Redrose]

For what it's worth, if the Christians are ever forced to take up arms in defense of themselves, I will bring glory to my gods and fight at your side.


Thank you, they'll be coming for you too. You and I are infidels, we're not Muslims.

[Redrose]

I have never read the whole Quran, but I find much of it beautiful. I took Intro to Islam in college and was fascinated with Islam.

Radical nuts have hijacked Islam and have twisted it into something ugly.

[PolWatch]

Bob, don't sweat it. There are some Christian religions that say Catholics are not Christians. I have no patience with that thinking. You know you are Christian, I know you are Christian, Jesus knows we're both Christians. That's all that matters.

There is nothing wrong with modest white undies. I'd rather have that than what I saw in Walmart recently, a rough looking beefy young thing, sort of a 16 year old Honey Boo Boo, midriff out, cut off short shorts, and a very grungy looking T-back that might have been white originally, very visible as she bent over. Very nasty. I raced home to wash my eyes out.

sounds like you saw a person who shops at Sluts R Us...I have seen some 9 or 10 year old children dressed that way...I was shocked until I noticed their mothers were dressed the same way....I know I'm old...but I'm glad I'm old enough to know better than to dress a child like that (or an adult for that matter).

[countryboy]

Jesus is the son of God. Why don't you take a crack at who created Satan since you do not believe in a God the creator of all.

You can't escape that Satan too was created by God. Satin fell out of favor with Jesus and God his father.

Jesus is one God. Just as you have a father, so does Jesus.

Is this forum really aching for a doctrine fest?

Let me put it this way. My church and Jesus includes all of you. Your church excludes people.

Bob, do you believe the Jesus of Islam is the same Jesus you believe in? I almost said worship, but you don't worship Jesus.

[Dark Mistress]

Radical nuts have hijacked Islam and have twisted it into something ugly.

Same thing can be seen in Christianity.

[CreepyOldDude]

That's the thing about religion and holy books, it's really easy to poke holes in them but the standard comeback is some supernatural hocus pocus that ties it all together.

I'm not slamming faith either, I'm a Christian and I believe. In Christ that is, and God - not man or his interpretations. But the person who admits that faith is just that, a leap of faith tells me that this person is thinking, not reacting.

Most people of faith that I know look upon their Holy book, whether it be the Torah, the Bible, the Quran, or the Book of Thoth, as guides to being a good person, and living a decent life. It's the Fundamentalists who consider their Holy Book to be the inerrant Word of God.

[nic34]

Radical nuts have hijacked Islam and have twisted it into something ugly.

Maybe Jefferson should have done a re-write on that one too and take out the BS.... if only....

[Bob]

Bob, do you believe the Jesus of Islam is the same Jesus you believe in? I almost said worship, but you don't worship Jesus.

Islam teaches Jesus was a prophet. We in my church believe Jesus is God's son. We do worship Jesus.

I have no idea where you got so many wrong ideas about Mormons but i will see what I can do to help resolve your issues.

[Bob]

Radical nuts have hijacked Islam and have twisted it into something ugly.

I have consulted experts on the religion.

This is what was told to me.

While true that a lot found in the Quran is attractive reading, the idea of the religion, as to non believers, is to kill them.

As it turns out, the majority of Muslims are no more deeply into the Quran other than a passage here or there, just like Christians, they have not read the book.

They know what they are told when they are at services.

Here is an authority.

http://www.c-span.org/video/?319734-1/islam-west

Consider if you will the hit put out on Salmon Rushdie over his book, Satanic Verses.

[Bob]

Bob, don't sweat it. There are some Christian religions that say Catholics are not Christians. I have no patience with that thinking. You know you are Christian, I know you are Christian, Jesus knows we're both Christians. That's all that matters.

There is nothing wrong with modest white undies. I'd rather have that than what I saw in Walmart recently, a rough looking beefy young thing, sort of a 16 year old Honey Boo Boo, midriff out, cut off short shorts, and a very grungy looking T-back that might have been white originally, very visible as she bent over. Very nasty. I raced home to wash my eyes out.

They think they poke fun at our clothing but better what we wear than what you saw being worn.