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Cigar
08-25-2014, 06:00 PM
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Well, there you go. The "means what he says and says what he means" Chris Christie has built up support for his presidential run by setting up an arrange where Wall Street bankers could skim large fees off the top of pension funds, and then turned around and blamed state retirees for the shortfall. This kind of expensive nonsense is what we always get when voters are naive enough to put Republicans in charge:

Gov. Chris Christie's administration openly acknowledged that more New Jersey taxpayer dollars were going to land in the coffers of major financial institutions. It was 2010, and Christie had just installed a longtime private equity executive, Robert Grady, to manage the state's pension money. Grady promoted a plan to put more of those funds into riskier investments managed by Wall Street firms. Though this would entail higher fees, Grady said the strategy would "maximize returns while appropriately managing risk."

Four years later, New Jersey has secured only half the promised results. The state has sent more pension money to big-name Wall Street firms like Blackstone, Third Point, Omega Advisors, Elliott Associates and Grady's old firm,The Carlyle Group.

Additionally, the amount of fees the state pays financial managers has more than tripled since Christie assumed office. New Jersey is nowone of America’s largest investors in hedge funds.The “maximized returns” have yet to materialize.

Between fiscal year 2011 and 2014, the state’s pension trailed the median returns for similarly sized public pension systems throughout the country, according to data from the financial analysis firm, Wilshire Associates. That below-median performance has cost New Jersey taxpayers billions in unrealized gains and has left the pension system on shaky ground. Meanwhile, New Jersey is now paying a quarter-billion dollars in additional annual fees to Wall Street firms -- many of whose employees have financially supported Republican groups backing Christie’s reelection campaign.

Those who originally opposed the state's shifting of pension funds into hedge funds, private equity, venture capital, real estate and other “alternative investments” see the below-average returns as no accident but an inevitable byproduct of the strategy: The Christie administration has effectively taken money from retired state workers and delivered the cash to Wall Street money managers.


http://www.ibtimes.com/gov-christie-shifted-pension-cash-wall-street-costing-new-jersey-taxpayers-38-billion-1667622

Peter1469
08-25-2014, 06:02 PM
We use governments differently than business. That doesn't mean that government should not be watched and monitored.

Mainecoons
08-25-2014, 07:24 PM
I like the one where it is claimed (establishment) Republicans run on the platform that government doesn't work and when elected, they prove it.

Actually, running against D.C. until you get there, of course, is a time honored tactic of the Donkephant.

Private Pickle
08-25-2014, 07:32 PM
Meh...the Libs are just afraid he may actually have a chance at winning...

del
08-25-2014, 07:35 PM
Meh...the Libs are just afraid he may actually have a chance at winning...

:rofl:

Captain Obvious
08-25-2014, 07:38 PM
Meh...the Libs are just afraid he may actually have a chance at winning...

... the office weight loss challenge by simply taking a shit.

hanger4
08-25-2014, 07:45 PM
I guess da bridge thing didn't go as well as the lies about da bridge thing. So off to another shot at da wall and hope it sticks.

Private Pickle
08-25-2014, 07:55 PM
... the office weight loss challenge by simply taking a shit.

"Who takes 2 hours to shit?"

"John Goodman"

donttread
08-26-2014, 06:57 AM
http://38.media.tumblr.com/86f027bbc798b44340d4293f899db835/tumblr_n0d0mnJZxU1rhkttmo1_500.jpg


Well, there you go. The "means what he says and says what he means" Chris Christie has built up support for his presidential run by setting up an arrange where Wall Street bankers could skim large fees off the top of pension funds, and then turned around and blamed state retirees for the shortfall. This kind of expensive nonsense is what we always get when voters are naive enough to put Republicans in charge:

Gov. Chris Christie's administration openly acknowledged that more New Jersey taxpayer dollars were going to land in the coffers of major financial institutions. It was 2010, and Christie had just installed a longtime private equity executive, Robert Grady, to manage the state's pension money. Grady promoted a plan to put more of those funds into riskier investments managed by Wall Street firms. Though this would entail higher fees, Grady said the strategy would "maximize returns while appropriately managing risk."

Four years later, New Jersey has secured only half the promised results. The state has sent more pension money to big-name Wall Street firms like Blackstone, Third Point, Omega Advisors, Elliott Associates and Grady's old firm,The Carlyle Group.

Additionally, the amount of fees the state pays financial managers has more than tripled since Christie assumed office. New Jersey is nowone of America’s largest investors in hedge funds.The “maximized returns” have yet to materialize.

Between fiscal year 2011 and 2014, the state’s pension trailed the median returns for similarly sized public pension systems throughout the country, according to data from the financial analysis firm, Wilshire Associates. That below-median performance has cost New Jersey taxpayers billions in unrealized gains and has left the pension system on shaky ground. Meanwhile, New Jersey is now paying a quarter-billion dollars in additional annual fees to Wall Street firms -- many of whose employees have financially supported Republican groups backing Christie’s reelection campaign.

Those who originally opposed the state's shifting of pension funds into hedge funds, private equity, venture capital, real estate and other “alternative investments” see the below-average returns as no accident but an inevitable byproduct of the strategy: The Christie administration has effectively taken money from retired state workers and delivered the cash to Wall Street money managers.


http://www.ibtimes.com/gov-christie-shifted-pension-cash-wall-street-costing-new-jersey-taxpayers-38-billion-1667622

Neither businesses nor families run like governments because only governments can spend more than they take in for decades on end

Chris
08-26-2014, 07:45 AM
If government were run like a business it would attain power by providing what people value. The above case is typical, attaining power by theft.

zelmo1234
08-26-2014, 07:50 AM
Did you notice that he issue is from FEB?

Must be he is gaining steam again!

It should get really comical when people actually start running again

Peter1469
08-26-2014, 08:10 AM
Government can't be run like a business. They do different things.

Libhater
08-26-2014, 08:22 AM
I like the one where it is claimed (establishment) Republicans run on the platform that government doesn't work and when elected, they prove it.

Actually, running against D.C. until you get there, of course, is a time honored tactic of the Donkephant.

Take that ridiculous donkephant term an shove it. Many of us here and in the press have been telling you that Christie is the poster boy for big government spending, as his appropriate label as a big fat RINO establishes that fact. Go back to sleep, nothing new here.

Libhater
08-26-2014, 08:23 AM
"Who takes 2 hours to shit?"

"John Goodman"

So does Michael Moore, only his shits are protected and masked in capitalist toilet paper.

donttread
08-26-2014, 09:03 AM
Government can't be run like a business. They do different things.

It can be run on a budget though

Chris
08-26-2014, 09:28 AM
Government can't be run like a business. They do different things.

Not really. Both provide goods and services. The difference is, generally, one is voluntary and the other coercive.

Chris
08-26-2014, 09:34 AM
It can be run on a budget though

A business tries to innovate to reduce budget and raise profit, a government tries raise their budget and increase power. How long would Ford stay in business if it increased its budget simply by going further into debt?

Captain Obvious
08-26-2014, 09:37 AM
A business tries to innovate to reduce budget and raise profit, a government tries raise their budget and increase power. How long would Ford stay in business if it increased its budget simply by going further into debt?

Ask Greece.

Same concept applies to governments which of course can be run on a budget.

Chris
08-26-2014, 10:03 AM
Ask Greece.

Same concept applies to governments which of course can be run on a budget.

Just not run on a budget the way a business would, for reasons given above.

Captain Obvious
08-26-2014, 10:12 AM
Just not run on a budget the way a business would, for reasons given above.

That's because governments and businesses aren't the same.

Went without saying.

Mainecoons
08-26-2014, 10:14 AM
Correct and that is exactly why the size and scope of government has to be controlled lest it turn into a cancer that consumes the nation. This is what is happening to America now. It is being eaten by government.

Chris
08-26-2014, 10:50 AM
That's because governments and businesses aren't the same.

Went without saying.

Glad to see you've caught up.

Chris
08-26-2014, 10:52 AM
Correct and that is exactly why the size and scope of government has to be controlled lest it turn into a cancer that consumes the nation. This is what is happening to America now. It is being eaten by government.

I think many see the problem with government but, without thinking, want to increase the size an scope of government to solve it.