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Bob
08-30-2014, 03:46 PM
There are connections to this event and today. You might be interested in this book.

http://www.amazon.com/1177-B-C-Civilization-Collapsed-Turning/dp/0691140898


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4EsR8dGJiI

Peter1469
08-30-2014, 03:57 PM
Looks like a great book to get.

However, I think it is silly to compare militant Islam to the Sea People of the late second millennium B.C.

The Islamists are 7th century troglodytes playing in the 21st century.

Bob
08-30-2014, 04:00 PM
Looks like a great book to get.

However, I think it is silly to compare militant Islam to the Sea People of the late second millennium B.C.

The Islamists are 7th century troglodytes playing in the 21st century.

What did George Patton tell his troops about dying for your own country?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9b5g1avyCSA

The Sage of Main Street
08-30-2014, 04:02 PM
There are connections to this event and today. You might be interested in this book.

http://www.amazon.com/1177-B-C-Civilization-Collapsed-Turning/dp/0691140898


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4EsR8dGJiI Why should I believe ruling-class histwhoreans, especially from a preppy university like Princeton? They'll blame everything except the real cause, which is "rulers just like them."

Peter1469
08-30-2014, 04:06 PM
What did George Patton tell his troops about dying for your own country?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9b5g1avyCSA

Great movie.

It doesn't address the point that I made.


However, I think it is silly to compare militant Islam to the Sea People of the late second millennium B.C.

Bob
08-30-2014, 04:07 PM
Looks like a great book to get.

However, I think it is silly to compare militant Islam to the Sea People of the late second millennium B.C.

The Islamists are 7th century troglodytes playing in the 21st century.

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Cline argues for a "system failure" in which a "perfect storm" of events - earthquake, economic decline, invasion, the loss of a major component of the world system - caused the entire system to go into decline. Cline does a good job of canvassing the various culprits for the LBA ("Late Bronze Age") collapse and makes effective arguments for why single factor explanations are not persuasive.

The book is chock-a-block full of interesting "gosh-wow!" observations. For example, Cline repeatedly references the point that Troy was on the frontier between Mycenaea and the Hittite Empire, and, so, the Trojan War may have been a brush fire war, akin to Vietnam, between the great powers of Mycenaea and the Hittite Empire. Another "gosh-wow!" point that I've filed away is that the coalition of rebellious western kingdoms - to the west of Hatti in Asia Minor - was the "Assuwa," from which we get the word for "Asia," which has progressively been extended ever-eastward.

Another bit of "gosh-wow!" is Cline's mention that by 1177 BC, the pyramids were already 1,000 years old. If that doesn't give the reader a feeling for the deep time of history, nothing will.

Still another one was Cline's observation that the dissemination of the classic stories of the Ancient Near East might have been through sailors swapping stories in bars as they waited for the "toffs" to finish the diplomatic niceties on state visits:

//Such transfers of ideas undoubtedly took place not only at the upper levels of society, but also at the inns and bars of the ports and cities along the trade routes in Greece, Egypt, and the Eastern Mediterranean. Where else would a sailor or crew member while away the time waiting for the wind to shift to the proper quarter or for a diplomatic mission to conclude its sensitive negotiations, swapping myths, legends, and tall tales? Such events may perhaps have contributed to cultural influences spreading between Egypt and the rest of the Near East, and even across the Aegean. Such an exchange between cultures could possibly explain the similarities between the Epic of Gilgamesh and Homer's later Iliad and Odyssey, and between the Hittite Myth of Kumarbi and Hesiod's later Theogony. //

Cline, Eric H. (2014-03-23). 1177 B.C.: The Year Civilization Collapsed (Turning Points in Ancient History) (p. 59). Princeton University Press. Kindle Edition.

Bob
08-30-2014, 04:10 PM
Looks like a great book to get.

However, I think it is silly to compare militant Islam to the Sea People of the late second millennium B.C.

The Islamists are 7th century troglodytes playing in the 21st century.

I don't get your claim.

This is all i had said on the book.


There are connections to this event and today. You might be interested in this book.

Peter1469
08-30-2014, 04:15 PM
I don't get your claim.

This is all i had said on the book.


The Sea People are still a mystery to historians, but they were certainly not out matched by their enemies.

Militant Islam is truly nothing more than militias and terrorists. They are minor irritants. Not mortal threats to the West.

Bob
08-30-2014, 04:56 PM
The Sea People are still a mystery to historians, but they were certainly not out matched by their enemies.

Militant Islam is truly nothing more than militias and terrorists. They are minor irritants. Not mortal threats to the West.

Why are you introducing Islam?

Peter1469
08-30-2014, 06:34 PM
Who else is a threat?