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Libhater
09-02-2014, 07:13 AM
The Reservation Indian is becoming less sufficient and more dependent upon what he calls "The Great White Father in Washington." Instead of freedom, the Indian has government-guaranteed "security." Instead of individual responsibility, he has a government bureau to handle his personal affairs. There are special laws governing his right to own land and to spend tribal money. Under that system of bondage it would surprise no one to find that many thousands of Indians have remained uneducated, hungry, diseased and mismanaged.

Government men too often hamper and impede the man with initiative and character. This is because their program inevitably must be formulated in terms of the lowest common denominator, the weakest Indian. In addition, the provisions of the government for the "welfare" and "security" of the Indians remove the consequences from their sinning and irresponsibility. The result is a license to irresponsibility, which all the touted government projects cannot counteract.

http://godfatherpolitics.com/16861/indian-reservations-rotten-fruit-liberalism/

Codename Section
09-02-2014, 07:30 AM
My grandmother lives on a reservation. I don't like to talk about this very much, but after reading the article I felt like saying something.

I just wonder why it is that you think the rest of us are managing "government" any better?

NSA is up your ass spying--especially people like you, but what are you doing about it? You have less liberty than you did in the 1990s. They can't hold property the same way, they can't practice their religion in the way they wish, they are spied on by BIA and FBI, they were abused during the 1960s and 1970s and harassed....they have been the victims of government in ways you cannot imagine with less ability to change the situation. Meanwhile you and I have a lot more options and what are we doing?

What are you doing?

For once I'd love to see conservatives give a shit about a money and dependency issue when the "person" with the addiction and dependency is called "Lockheed" or "Citibank" and not an average human.

Libhater
09-02-2014, 08:18 AM
I just wonder why it is that you think the rest of us are managing "government" any better?

This isn't about managing government, its about government managing any and all of our affairs. The thing with liberalism is that it makes people dependent on government. The point of the article (OP) is that government has managed to keep the Indians on a slave plantation while zapping the individual initiative/desire/incentive to act and learn on their own.


NSA is up your ass spying--especially people like you, but what are you doing about it?

That is total bull-crap and you know it. I've asked people here to explain to me by giving examples of how NSA has spied on individuals and they always come up short. Besides, what does NSA have to do with the government intrusion into the Indian lifestyle. Nothing, that's what.


You have less liberty than you did in the 1990s. They can't hold property the same way, they can't practice their religion in the way they wish, they are spied on by BIA and FBI, they were abused during the 1960s and 1970s and harassed....they have been the victims of government in ways you cannot imagine with less ability to change the situation. Meanwhile you and I have a lot more options and what are we doing?


Why don't you start your own thread on your bitch with varying forms of government? My main concern right now is how the Indians are getting shafted by liberal government for decades now, and how the character and lifestyle of the Indian is taking a huge hit because of it.



For once I'd love to see conservatives give a shit about a money and dependency issue when the "person" with the addiction and dependency is called "Lockheed" or "Citibank" and not an average human.

That would be another great thread starter for you, where you could look into the mortgage debacle of Fanny and Freddy brought on by two liberal democrats barney frank and chris dodd.

donttread
09-02-2014, 08:26 AM
The Reservation Indian is becoming less sufficient and more dependent upon what he calls "The Great White Father in Washington." Instead of freedom, the Indian has government-guaranteed "security." Instead of individual responsibility, he has a government bureau to handle his personal affairs. There are special laws governing his right to own land and to spend tribal money. Under that system of bondage it would surprise no one to find that many thousands of Indians have remained uneducated, hungry, diseased and mismanaged.

Government men too often hamper and impede the man with initiative and character. This is because their program inevitably must be formulated in terms of the lowest common denominator, the weakest Indian. In addition, the provisions of the government for the "welfare" and "security" of the Indians remove the consequences from their sinning and irresponsibility. The result is a license to irresponsibility, which all the touted government projects cannot counteract.

http://godfatherpolitics.com/16861/indian-reservations-rotten-fruit-liberalism/

The part I never got was reservations being "Soverign nations" but not really

Mainecoons
09-02-2014, 08:40 AM
In New Mexico we used to say that the Indians were the first victims of the welfare state.

Codename Section
09-02-2014, 08:40 AM
This isn't about managing government, its about government managing any and all of our affairs. The thing with liberalism is that it makes people dependent on government. The point of the article (OP) is that government has managed to keep the Indians on a slave plantation while zapping the individual initiative/desire/incentive to act and learn on their own.


No, outside interests and government makes people dependent upon government. The government is a service provider. People in government are employees, but who are they the employees of?

It's not "liberalism" it's statism.




That is total bull-crap and you know it. I've asked people here to explain to me by giving examples of how NSA has spied on individuals and they always come up short. Besides, what does NSA have to do with the government intrusion into the Indian lifestyle. Nothing, that's what.


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/21/world/nsa-dragnet-included-allies-aid-groups-and-business-elite.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

http://www.thenewsnerd.com/technology/nsa-caught-spying-through-cell-phone-cameras/

http://www.sfgate.com/technology/article/Leaked-docs-NSA-uses-Candy-Crush-Angry-5186801.php

It has everything to do with the hypocrisy of people who want to focus on the Native Americans who make up less than a 1% of the country and their "plight" and calling them out for lack of initiative on their own behalf when these same "small government" types can't get off their ass in large numbers to do anything about very real abuses of government.



Why don't you start your own thread on your bitch with varying forms of government? My main concern right now is how the Indians are getting shafted by liberal government for decades now, and how the character and lifestyle of the Indian is taking a huge hit because of it.


No, you're trying to make a statement about entitlements and the entitlement attitude of people who get pennies and scraps compared to other rent seekers and teat suckers.

Libhater
09-02-2014, 08:42 AM
The part I never got was reservations being "Soverign nations" but not really

It does seem to be a bit of an oxymoron to me as well. How can the Indian Reservations be a sovereign state of their own if most or all of their monies come from the federal government? The Indians are no better off in life (and perhaps worse off) then the millions of people currently on our welfare roles. We can thank the rise of liberalism from FDR's New Deal to Obama's increase in the welfare roles for the sorry state of our poor and of the Indians.

Chloe
09-02-2014, 08:54 AM
Native Americans have been the victims of practically every foreign nation that has ever stepped foot on this soil, and since that time every US president/government and political party. To say that all of a sudden they are struggling because of liberalism ignores hundreds upon hundreds of years of oppression and cruelty.

Animal Mother
09-02-2014, 08:59 AM
lol

The entire country is dependent upon the government. Don't kid yourself into thinking that you are any different. The "culture" of America used to be "Don't Tread on Me" in every respect. The average American is as far off from that as the natives are from their days of being plains warriors.

99% of the people in the US have been so scared by the fear mongering of the military industrial complex's Washington henchmen and their shadow puppet masters in the "intelligence" industry that they've given up their rights and their honor.

I would be so much happier to read "Godfather Politics" and pump my fist in the air over their taking apart the welfare state of injuns and negras if they weren't the biggest bunch of DOD promoting tools on the planet.

We and our way of life is not in danger because of reservations We're in danger because we let a shadow government develop behind the scenes because we were so ready to believe that we needed the Federal Reserve system and a secret intelligence apparatus to save us from financial and external threats.

A bunch of drunk indians who don't want to work is the least of my worries right now.

Chris
09-02-2014, 09:00 AM
Native Americans have been the victims of practically every foreign nation that has ever stepped foot on this soil, and since that time every US president/government and political party. To say that all of a sudden they are struggling because of liberalism ignores hundreds upon hundreds of years of oppression and cruelty.

Do yourself a favor and pick up a copy of Anderson and Hill's The Not So Wild Wild West. It does much to dispel that myth. Indians gave up much through legitimate trade. That is not to say government didn't at time force them off their land.

Libhater
09-02-2014, 09:18 AM
Native Americans have been the victims of practically every foreign nation that has ever stepped foot on this soil, and since that time every US president/government and political party. To say that all of a sudden they are struggling because of liberalism ignores hundreds upon hundreds of years of oppression and cruelty.

Here we go....throwing out the victim card again. We're all victims in your world Chloe, but we're not talking about some 'tree' being cut down as a victim here, no, we're talking about real live people--the Indians. Have you ever visited an Indian Reservation and talked to the people there? These people are living a life in abject poverty and show little signs of happiness or a desire to get off the government plantation of slave-hood. Liberal policies and or what Codename would call 'statism' (same thing) are responsible for holding these Indians back and from letting them live life out on their own accord without a crutch.

Animal Mother
09-02-2014, 09:28 AM
Here we go....throwing out the victim card again. We're all victims in your world Chloe, but we're not talking about some 'tree' being cut down as a victim here, no, we're talking about real live people--the Indians. Have you ever visited an Indian Reservation and talked to the people there? These people are living a life in abject poverty and show little signs of happiness or a desire to get off the government plantation of slave-hood. Liberal policies and or what Codename would call 'statism' (same thing) are responsible for holding these Indians back and from letting them live life out on their own accord without a crutch.

Jesus Christ... like you care. Conservatives love pointing out blacks and injuns and spics and everyone else living in poverty and welfare like the fucking give a shit. If any of those groups actually got their shit together Rush Limbaugh would lose his job because him and assholes like him would have nothing to talk about. I mean, we all know they won't actually call out the police state or Big Brother because then they wouldn't have their DOD based retirement funds financed.

My future is not riding on indians getting off the government teat. It will be impacted by the governments unchecked aggression towards me for not agreeing with it at all times.

Mainecoons
09-02-2014, 09:33 AM
Nevertheless, he has described what goes on in Indian reservations, at least in NM and AZ that I'm familiar with. Look up the statistics on alcohol addiction and early death in these places.

Animal Mother
09-02-2014, 09:41 AM
Nevertheless, he has described what goes on in Indian reservations, at least in NM and AZ that I'm familiar with. Look up the statistics on alcohol addiction and early death in these places.

Like all 100 of them left in America? This matters? To quote Chris Rock when's the last time you saw an Indian family eating in McDonalds? We have more Muslims in the US than indigenous people.

This may be true. It could be 100% true but so the fuck what? Is this really the most pressing issue in America at this moment? It's not. It is absolutely not. This is why people hate conservatives because they focus on the chipped coffee mug while ignoring the elephant in the room.

If they want to win elections they have to address the real big lurking behemoth and quit focusing on minorities, women, and homos.

donttread
09-02-2014, 09:56 AM
Native Americans have been the victims of practically every foreign nation that has ever stepped foot on this soil, and since that time every US president/government and political party. To say that all of a sudden they are struggling because of liberalism ignores hundreds upon hundreds of years of oppression and cruelty.

They are struggling because of alcoholism, illicit drug addiction, corruption and gambling

Animal Mother
09-02-2014, 10:00 AM
They are struggling because of alcoholism, illicit drug addiction, corruption and gambling

How does this make them different than Rush Limbaugh, the Kennedys, or Rick Perry?

donttread
09-02-2014, 10:11 AM
How does this make them different than Rush Limbaugh, the Kennedys, or Rick Perry?

Actually it doesn't. Tribal governments tend to be corrupt and self serving just like our government. The difference being that we pay for both

Animal Mother
09-02-2014, 10:13 AM
Actually it doesn't. Tribal governments tend to be corrupt and self serving just like our government. The difference being that we pay for both

We pay Lockheed and Boeing more money to design and test planes that don't get off the ground than we do a handful of minorities living on reservations.

texan
09-02-2014, 11:12 PM
The reservation indian sold his soul to big business years ago.........

I remember when they got into the Casino Business years back and the win rates were about 50/50 for the gamblers. It took Vegas about a nano second to coem in as consultants to show them "how to run a casino."

Bought and Paid for.....................

nic34
09-02-2014, 11:18 PM
My grandmother lives on a reservation. I don't like to talk about this very much, but after reading the article I felt like saying something.

I just wonder why it is that you think the rest of us are managing "government" any better?

NSA is up your ass spying--especially people like you, but what are you doing about it? You have less liberty than you did in the 1990s. They can't hold property the same way, they can't practice their religion in the way they wish, they are spied on by BIA and FBI, they were abused during the 1960s and 1970s and harassed....they have been the victims of government in ways you cannot imagine with less ability to change the situation. Meanwhile you and I have a lot more options and what are we doing?

What are you doing?

For once I'd love to see conservatives give a shit about a money and dependency issue when the "person" with the addiction and dependency is called "Lockheed" or "Citibank" and not an average human.

Well said.

nic34
09-02-2014, 11:27 PM
The reservation indian sold his soul to big business years ago.........

I remember when they got into the Casino Business years back and the win rates were about 50/50 for the gamblers. It took Vegas about a nano second to coem in as consultants to show them "how to run a casino."

Bought and Paid for.....................

Yeah, anglo folks don't like it so much when the natives beat them at their own game......

Just like they act so surprised when natives turn out as they do after so many years of being trained to be white (Americanized)....

Libhater
09-03-2014, 05:45 AM
Yeah, anglo folks don't like it so much when the natives beat them at their own game......

Just like they act so surprised when natives turn out as they do after so many years of being trained to be white (Americanized)....

You totally missed the message of the OP. The natives (as you describe them) didn't turn out like we Whites at all. They (the Indians) have subjected themselves to a lifetime of poverty thanks to our government. I'll let you fill in any other details of their slavish lives, if you like.

donttread
09-03-2014, 06:56 AM
How does this make them different than Rush Limbaugh, the Kennedys, or Rick Perry?

They struggle in much greater percentages. The "fire water " laws had some basis in fact. They were racist but they recognized the Indians inability to handle alcohol

Alyosha
09-03-2014, 07:26 AM
You totally missed the message of the OP. The natives (as you describe them) didn't turn out like we Whites at all. They (the Indians) have subjected themselves to a lifetime of poverty thanks to our government. I'll let you fill in any other details of their slavish lives, if you like.

Whites live in solid structures, yes or no? Whites are on welfare, yes or no?

Yes, they turned out like whites. They were nomadic, communal living people.

Alyosha
09-03-2014, 07:28 AM
They struggle in much greater percentages. The "fire water " laws had some basis in fact. They were racist but they recognized the Indians inability to handle alcohol

They also have a great many constraints on them of a regulatory nature that we don't have.

Chris
09-03-2014, 08:29 AM
Yeah, anglo folks don't like it so much when the natives beat them at their own game......

Just like they act so surprised when natives turn out as they do after so many years of being trained to be white (Americanized)....


Nic, that's not the American people but the lousy government, that you otherwise support.

Mainecoons
09-03-2014, 08:56 AM
They were trained to be dependent, just like the general welfare class. That is the point. Race has nothing to do with it.

They were the first victims of the welfare state. Their numbers are trivial compared to the victims of the Great Society.