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Captain Obvious
09-11-2014, 10:57 AM
http://www.salon.com/2014/09/10/how_christian_fundamentalist_homeschooling_damages _children_partner/


We homeschooled because we wanted to protect our children from what we viewed as the total secularization of America. We listened to people like Rush Limbaugh, who told us that America was in the clutches of evil liberal feminist atheists.

Mac-7
09-11-2014, 11:00 AM
The godless lib public schools turn out illiterate kids also.

Peter1469
09-11-2014, 11:01 AM
Indoctrinated kids is more like it. Drones for the State.

Common Sense
09-11-2014, 11:05 AM
I think exposure to reality is far healthier than staying home and listening to fairy tales of doom and gloom.

Animal Mother
09-11-2014, 11:10 AM
I wouldn't home school my kids because I don't have any. If I did, I still wouldn't do it because I have zero patience.

However, I would not put them in public schools to learn how to be an indoctrinated drone who can't read or do math but knows how to sit still and look like they're paying attention for hours at a time.

Mac-7
09-11-2014, 11:10 AM
I think exposure to reality is far healthier than staying home and listening to fairy tales of doom and gloom.

Now you are just complaining that the home schooled kids believe in God.

when the article pointed out that some home schooled kids may not have gotten an adequate education in math or other fundamentals I could see that as a problem.

but you just want the godless robots that the public schools try so hard to produce.

Alyosha
09-11-2014, 11:16 AM
Salon is not exactly an impartial "journal" when it comes to anything Christian. Not all homeschoolers are Christian, many/most are not and are secular programs through public schools (charter) and private schools (online Catholic).

This is one of those anti-Christian shit the bed things where they want to scare the public into treating Christian homeschoolers are if they are abusing children meanwhile 11% of all kids in the NYC public schools system have claimed sexual harassment by their teachers and their matriculation rates are dismal.

Alyosha
09-11-2014, 11:16 AM
I think exposure to reality is far healthier than staying home and listening to fairy tales of doom and gloom.

What is "reality"? Do you think we see "reality" on television or something? Do you believe "reality" is taught in public schools? Have you even seen the curriculum for some of them?

Common Sense
09-11-2014, 11:17 AM
Now you are just complaining that the home schooled kids believe in God.

when the article pointed out that some home schooled kids may not have gotten an adequate education in math or other fundamentals I could see that as a problem.

but you just want the godless robots that the public schools try so hard to produce.

Nothing wrong with believing in God. I just don't think a kid is well served being educated by a zealot who isn't a professional teacher.

This indoctrination allegation is based on anecdotal evidence. Most public school kids just receive an opportunity at education, with god forbid some sex ed and education on other religions. The horror.

Common Sense
09-11-2014, 11:18 AM
What is "reality"? Do you think we see "reality" on television or something? Do you believe "reality" is taught in public schools? Have you even seen the curriculum for some of them?

Reality is dealing with things that are real. I don't think zealots/fundamentalist of any creed deal in reality.

Animal Mother
09-11-2014, 11:22 AM
Nothing wrong with believing in God. I just don't think a kid is well served being educated by a zealot who isn't a professional teacher.

My teacher was a zealot. We got to hear constantly in government class how Bush was ruining the country and I didn't live in a "liberal" area, either. And my "professional" math teacher wasn't even a math major but was like some wacked out psychology major or something and we were constantly correcting him.

I pretty much gave up on high school because it was so fucking boring and I always tested in the advanced classes and top percentile.




This indoctrination allegation is based on anecdotal evidence. Most public school kids just receive an opportunity at education, with god forbid some sex ed and education on other religions. The horror.

Why are we learning about sex education and "other religions" in public schools? Isn't math and science-y shit just a little more important? If you can't master basic Algebra how are you doing to master human biology?

Mac-7
09-11-2014, 11:25 AM
Nothing wrong with believing in God. I just don't think a kid is well served being educated by a zealot who isn't a professional teacher.

This indoctrination allegation is based on anecdotal evidence. Most public school kids just receive an opportunity at education, with god forbid some sex ed and education on other religions. The horror.

Home schoolers have won the national spelling bee and admittance to our elite universities.

and many public school children are among the most illiterate kids we have.

You deny it now but it's pretty clear that your main complaint is the home school kids religious beliefs not academics.

Animal Mother
09-11-2014, 11:25 AM
Reality is dealing with things that are real. I don't think zealots/fundamentalist of any creed deal in reality.

What aren't they dealing with that's real was her question?

PolWatch
09-11-2014, 11:26 AM
When our area was creating so-called Christian private schools and home schooling programs to avoid integration, we opted to keep our son in public school. There were problems but we worked with him at home & hired tutors in areas we could not help with. He graduated with a good education and is a successful adult (42) who is able to function in the real world, not a protected, everyone-looks-like me, thinks-like-me environment. He learned to deal with bullies, brats & people with a different view of life than what he saw at home or friends/family gatherings.

I know several families who are/have home schooled their children and the results were not good. I'm sure I will be overwhelmed with figures that show how much better the home schooled are, but those I have seen with my eyes ended up functionally illiterate and had to study for over a year to even pass a GED. I know of one who is actively homeschooling a child and the mother/teacher is so involved in her social life, I wonder when there is time for lessons.

An effective teacher is a special person. It takes patience & dedication, not only to the children but also to the subjects. I don't think the average parent has what it takes to parent a child while teaching subjects they have not mastered. Public school doesn't work well if the parent is not involved all the time. If they don't involve themselves in the public school, why would they be any better at home schooling? I always thought the most important part of my job as a parent was to make my job obsolete. I was a success when my child could leave home & take care of himself. Keeping a child tied to their mother's apron strings 24/7 doesn't seem the way to create independent adults...imho.

Alyosha
09-11-2014, 11:29 AM
Reality is dealing with things that are real. I don't think zealots/fundamentalist of any creed deal in reality.

I totally disagree with you. I hear this "argument" from "liberals" all the time, that religious people don't deal in reality. They certainly do, they just have different solutions to that reality.

Teen pregnancy = reality

Fundamentalist solution to that is to teach them that premarital sex is wrong and to respect their body.

Liberal solution is to teach them about birth control.

Neither solution works 100% because not all kids are the same. Some do well with boundaries and rules, and others do well with alternatives.

I read somewhere that schools who teach both abstinence and birth control do the best, but they are less than 5% of them.

Mac-7
09-11-2014, 11:32 AM
I totally disagree with you. I hear this "argument" from "liberals" all the time, that religious people don't deal in reality. They certainly do, they just have different solutions to that reality.

Teen pregnancy = reality

Fundamentalist solution to that is to teach them that premarital sex is wrong and to respect their body.

Liberal solution is to teach them about birth control.

Neither solution works 100% because not all kids are the same. Some do well with boundaries and rules, and others do well with alternatives.

I read somewhere that schools who teach both abstinence and birth control do the best, but they are less than 5% of them.


Lib culture actually encourages teen sex and then refuses to take responsibility for the consequences of their actions.

PolWatch
09-11-2014, 11:48 AM
'Researchers at the University of Washington in Seattle found that teenagers who received some type of comprehensive sex education were 60 percent less likely (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/24/AR2008032401515.html) to get pregnant or get someone else pregnant. And in 2007, a federal report showed that abstinence-only programs had “no impacts (http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2007/04/13/11913/abstinence-only-programs-have-failed/) on rates of sexual abstinence.”

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/04/10/461402/teen-pregnancy-sex-education/

countryboy
09-11-2014, 12:04 PM
http://www.salon.com/2014/09/10/how_christian_fundamentalist_homeschooling_damages _children_partner/

Oh look, more liberal hogwash from our resident "moderate" troll. Gawd it was so peaceful around here for a while.

Captain Obvious
09-11-2014, 12:07 PM
Oh look, more liberal hogwash from our resident "moderate" troll. Gawd it was so peaceful around here for a while.

Thanks for your contribution to the discussion, douchebag.

countryboy
09-11-2014, 12:08 PM
When our area was creating so-called Christian private schools and home schooling programs to avoid integration, we opted to keep our son in public school. There were problems but we worked with him at home & hired tutors in areas we could not help with. He graduated with a good education and is a successful adult (42) who is able to function in the real world, not a protected, everyone-looks-like me, thinks-like-me environment. He learned to deal with bullies, brats & people with a different view of life than what he saw at home or friends/family gatherings.

I know several families who are/have home schooled their children and the results were not good. I'm sure I will be overwhelmed with figures that show how much better the home schooled are, but those I have seen with my eyes ended up functionally illiterate and had to study for over a year to even pass a GED. I know of one who is actively homeschooling a child and the mother/teacher is so involved in her social life, I wonder when there is time for lessons.

An effective teacher is a special person. It takes patience & dedication, not only to the children but also to the subjects. I don't think the average parent has what it takes to parent a child while teaching subjects they have not mastered. Public school doesn't work well if the parent is not involved all the time. If they don't involve themselves in the public school, why would they be any better at home schooling? I always thought the most important part of my job as a parent was to make my job obsolete. I was a success when my child could leave home & take care of himself. Keeping a child tied to their mother's apron strings 24/7 doesn't seem the way to create independent adults...imho.

Anecdotal bullship. Actual data bears this out easily.

PolWatch
09-11-2014, 12:16 PM
Anecdotal bullship. Actual data bears this out easily.

thank you for your thoughtful, polite response....if you actually read it you would see I noted your (and others) similar responses. Reading is FUNdamental! (old public school program!)

Professor Peabody
09-11-2014, 12:38 PM
The godless lib public schools turn out illiterate kids also.


Home-Schooled Teens Ripe for College

Myths about unsocialized home-schoolers are false, and most are well prepped for college, experts say.

By Kelsey Sheehy June 1, 2012 | 7:00 a.m. EDT

More than 2 million U.S. students in grades K-12 were home-schooled in 2010, accounting for nearly 4 percent of all school-aged children, according to the National Home Education Research Institute. Studies suggest that those who go on to college will outperform their peers.

Students coming from a home school graduated college at a higher rate than their peers*—66.7 percent compared to 57.5 percent—and earned higher grade point averages along the way, according to a study that compared students at one doctoral university from 2004-2009.

http://www.usnews.com/education/high-schools/articles/2012/06/01/home-schooled-teens-ripe-for-college

Amazing what happens when caring parents get involved in their kids education.

Dark Mistress
09-11-2014, 12:41 PM
My teacher was a zealot. We got to hear constantly in government class how Bush was ruining the country and I didn't live in a "liberal" area, either. And my "professional" math teacher wasn't even a math major but was like some wacked out psychology major or something and we were constantly correcting him.

I pretty much gave up on high school because it was so fucking boring and I always tested in the advanced classes and top percentile.



Why are we learning about sex education and "other religions" in public schools? Isn't math and science-y shit just a little more important? If you can't master basic Algebra how are you doing to master human biology?

How can one master biology if they can't read well or write? Math, reading and writing must first be mastered to succeed in the other important areas (science, etc).

countryboy
09-11-2014, 01:07 PM
thank you for your thoughtful, polite response....if you actually read it you would see I noted your (and others) similar responses. Reading is FUNdamental! (old public school program!)
Just because you noted my response doesn't make your anecdotal evidence true. Just because you personally witnessed a couple of instances of poor home schooling doesn't in any way, shape, or form mean the method is not highly effective.

Also, I think you may have the wrong idea about how home schooling works these days. It rarely involves a parent solely acting as a teacher.

PolWatch
09-11-2014, 01:14 PM
as I stated, my remarks are based on what I personally have seen & know for fact. Statistics can and are manipulated to say whatever the source wants them to say. Look at the graduation numbers of states that have very high home schooling numbers....such as Texas. They have a lower graduation rate than Alabama. Think about that for a while....those numbers include both home schooled & public schooled students.

I'm sure there are some parents doing a wonderful job...just as there are some teachers doing a wonderful job. Just because either side can trot out examples to support their positions, doesn't mean they are all doing a good/bad job. I think people need to think long & hard about the subject...this is something that their children will either benefit from or pay for....the rest of THEIR lives. To paraphrase Clint Eastwood 'do you feel lucky'?

nic34
09-11-2014, 01:16 PM
I totally disagree with you. I hear this "argument" from "liberals" all the time, that religious people don't deal in reality. They certainly do, they just have different solutions to that reality.

Teen pregnancy = reality

Fundamentalist solution to that is to teach them that premarital sex is wrong and to respect their body.

Liberal solution is to teach them about birth control.

Neither solution works 100% because not all kids are the same. Some do well with boundaries and rules, and others do well with alternatives.

I read somewhere that schools who teach both abstinence and birth control do the best, but they are less than 5% of them.

Not buying it Aly...


Fundamentalist solution - have faith kids will do as instructed and "abstain".

Liberal solution - belief in reality that faith doesn't always work. There are alternatives that do work.

nic34
09-11-2014, 01:19 PM
as I stated, my remarks are based on what I personally have seen & know for fact. Statistics can and are manipulated to say whatever the source wants them to say. Look at the graduation numbers of states that have very high home schooling numbers....such as Texas. They have a lower graduation rate than Alabama. Think about that for a while....those numbers include both home schooled & public schooled students.

I'm sure there are some parents doing a wonderful job...just as there are some teachers doing a wonderful job. Just because either side can trot out examples to support their positions, doesn't mean they are all doing a good/bad job. I think people need to think long & hard about the subject...this is something that their children will either benefit from or pay for....the rest of THEIR lives. To paraphrase Clint Eastwood 'do you feel lucky'?

I'm sure glad my son learned his auto mechanics from an ASE certified mechanic and NOT me!

Mister D
09-11-2014, 01:20 PM
Not buying it Aly...


Fundamentalist solution - have faith kids will do as instructed and "abstain".

Liberal solution - belief in reality that faith doesn't always work. There are alternatives that work.

That's good because she's not selling. She never mentioned faith. You did.

Mister D
09-11-2014, 01:21 PM
I'm sure glad my son learned his auto mechanics from an ASE certified mechanic and NOT me!

Did you send him to a specialist so he understands where his thing goes when he gets aroused? WTF?

Ethereal
09-11-2014, 01:22 PM
I think exposure to reality is far healthier than staying home and listening to fairy tales of doom and gloom.

If by "reality" you mean hedonism, low standards, and government propaganda.

Captain Obvious
09-11-2014, 01:24 PM
Did you send him to a specialist so he understands where his thing goes when he gets aroused? WTF?

They're called "sluts"

nic34
09-11-2014, 01:28 PM
That's good because she's not selling. She never mentioned faith. You did.

What is telling a teen about abstinence not having "faith"?

nic34
09-11-2014, 01:29 PM
Did you send him to a specialist so he understands where his thing goes when he gets aroused? WTF?

Did you forget the topic was "homeschooling"?

Mac-7
09-11-2014, 02:27 PM
Did you forget the topic was "homeschooling"?

Libs prefer public schooling where teens can be indoctrinated to reject God and worship carnal satisfaction instead.