View Full Version : A Decade of War—for What?
Mister D
05-04-2012, 12:54 PM
"My fellow Americans, we have traveled through more than a decade under the dark cloud of war," said Barack Obama from Bagram (http://m.npr.org/news/front/151803730) Air Base.
"Here in the predawn darkness, we can see the light of a new day on the horizon. The Iraq War is over. The number of troops in harm's way has been cut in half, and more will be coming home. ... The time of war began in Afghanistan, and this is where it will end."
Interesting comment, that last.
If "the time of war" is at an end, does that rule out U.S. military action in Syria or war on Iran?
Setting aside the 14,000-mile round trip to Afghanistan to do an end zone dance (http://www.vdare.com/help-vdarecom-unwrap-obama-from-the-flag) on the anniversary of Seal Team Six's (http://www.vdare.com/posts/did-seal-team-six-look-like-america) dispatch of Osama bin Laden, (http://www.vdare.com/articles/the-fog-of-fog) Obama seems to have boxed in his Republican rivals.
His assurance that our wars are ending and our troops are coming home reflects the national will. And his partnership agreement with President Hamid Karzai and pledge that a U.S. force will remain to train the Afghan army and prevent al-Qaida's return inoculates him against the charge that he is cutting and running.
Yet The New York Times was disappointed.
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http://www.vdare.com/articles/a-decade-of-war-for-what
Vilifier of Zombies
05-04-2012, 01:16 PM
Shady business Mister D, you've linked a donation page to another site.
I'm not above giving you the benefit of doubt that that was your intent, that said - it doesn't matter either way, it's still shady.
Mister D
05-04-2012, 01:18 PM
Shady business Mister D, you've linked a donation page to another site.
I'm not above giving you the benefit of doubt that that was your intent, that said - it doesn't matter either way, it's still shady.
It's an article with a donation link. Seriously? :laugh: Do me a favor an report this to Admin.
Mister D
05-04-2012, 01:20 PM
BTW, this would the donation page at VDare.
https://www.vdare.com/contribute
Vilifier of Zombies
05-04-2012, 01:35 PM
Now the link works just fine - that donation page didn't have a way out without donating is all I'm trying to say Mister D.
It's really not that big of a deal, I thought it was funny more than anything else.
Mister D
05-04-2012, 01:42 PM
Now the link works just fine - that donation page didn't have a way out without donating is all I'm trying to say Mister D.
It's really not that big of a deal, I thought it was funny more than anything else.
:grin: You know the red "X" in the top right corner? If all else fails (e.g. typing in a new address, selecting a favorite, etc.) the red "X" will get you out safely. Yeah, this is pretty funny.
Conley
05-04-2012, 01:48 PM
I'm pretty sure a three day ban is in order. :grin:
Mister D
05-04-2012, 01:49 PM
Dunno, soliciting members for donations is serious. :angry: A week at least.
Vilifier of Zombies
05-04-2012, 01:57 PM
Now that that's over with; I doubt the Taliban would ever be able to regain control over Afghanistan even after we've left.
Vilifier of Zombies
05-04-2012, 01:58 PM
:grin: You know the red "X" in the top right corner? If all else fails (e.g. typing in a new address, selecting a favorite, etc.) the red "X" will get you out safely. Yeah, this is pretty funny.
I did have to employ the dreaded red "X."
Conley
05-04-2012, 02:01 PM
Now that that's over with; I doubt the Taliban would ever be able to regain control over Afghanistan even after we've left.
I guess it'll be tough to ever know for sure because at the rate things are going we'll never leave. It's hard to even imagine what the landscape will be like in 2024 when the agreement runs out. Here's a guess though, life will still suck over there.
Alias
05-04-2012, 02:02 PM
I did have to employ the dreaded red "X."
Are you one of the "smart" liberals?
Vilifier of Zombies
05-04-2012, 02:23 PM
I guess it'll be tough to ever know for sure because at the rate things are going we'll never leave. It's hard to even imagine what the landscape will be like in 2024 when the agreement runs out. Here's a guess though, life will still suck over there.
I was there from late 2001 to mid 2002 then back again from late 2002 to the beginning of 2003, even in that short span of time I witnessed a sort of transformation, the general populace doesn't want 'em around, that and Karzai (both Hamid and Ahmed) are both cordial with Pakistan, enough that even though Pakistan's ISI may want 'em both dead (it's believed they've unsuccessfully attempted to assassinate 'em), the other side of that coin is the Karzai's know their way around the rest of Pakistan's government. That and Ahmed controls all sorts of underhanded mafia like paramilitary forces with all sorts of ties to the heroin trade - it'd be the same as John Gotti running the mob while John Gotti's brother was the President of the United States with less oversight from Congress or any other facet of the Federal government.
That and the average every day hooked on khat lazy as fuck all Afghani despises the Taliban.
Vilifier of Zombies
05-04-2012, 02:24 PM
Are you one of the "smart" liberals?
I'm not a liberal.
You're a dittohead though, so you wouldn't understand.
Alias
05-04-2012, 02:54 PM
I'm not a liberal.
You're a dittohead though, so you wouldn't understand.
Oh, I apologize. Are you a Progressive?
ramone
05-04-2012, 03:27 PM
A decade of war, huh, wasn't it obammy who pulled the troops out of Iraq and put them in Afgan land? Now he signs an agreement to be there until 2024? What a frigging joke this one is, like nobody can see past his stupidity. He believes that he knows all and is gods gift to the world. He is a douche bag, nothing more. Probably has the same IQ as my shoe size.
wingrider
05-04-2012, 05:00 PM
so?... x does mark the spot.. !!
ramone
05-04-2012, 05:09 PM
so?... x does mark the spot.. !!
Yes sir, play it here. :) Give is a second to load if you have a fred flinstone computer like I do. Post your high score. LOL
http://www.pictogame.com/en/play/game/BjwseSrr732S_kick-obama
wingrider
05-04-2012, 05:18 PM
Yes sir, play it here. :) Give is a second to load if you have a fred flinstone computer like I do. Post your high score. LOL
http://www.pictogame.com/en/play/game/BjwseSrr732S_kick-obama
9701 m
wingrider
05-04-2012, 05:22 PM
Yes sir, play it here. :) Give is a second to load if you have a fred flinstone computer like I do. Post your high score. LOL
http://www.pictogame.com/en/play/game/BjwseSrr732S_kick-obama on the third kick I got 16,661 M hows that?
ramone
05-04-2012, 05:43 PM
on the third kick I got 16,661 M hows that?
LOL, Not quite up to my best it's 161,691. Did you leave out a 0 somewhere? Keep trying, I give up on the record since I can't quite get there. It would be fun to be the record holder though. :)
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7240/6997212900_ba0bbb9d79_z.jpg
wingrider
05-04-2012, 05:53 PM
LOL, Not quite up to my best it's 161,691. Did you leave out a 0 somewhere? Keep trying, I give up on the record since I can't quite get there. It would be fun to be the record holder though. :)
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7240/6997212900_ba0bbb9d79_z.jpg oops yes I did its 160,661 sorry
ramone
05-04-2012, 06:32 PM
There is another for moochelle somewhere. I tried to make one for rev Al but it didn't work for some reason.
gophangover
05-05-2012, 10:28 AM
"For what?" For the profit of the war machine contractors. Think America will ever get smart enough to ask that question BEFORE an invasion?
Vilifier of Zombies
05-05-2012, 11:12 AM
Oh, I apologize. Are you a Progressive?
No problem Alias, apology accepted.
Nor am I a progressive or any other political ideology label, are you a window licker who bangs sea monkeys in their doo doo holes to honor the god of zombies?
ramone
05-05-2012, 11:26 AM
"For what?" For the profit of the war machine contractors. Think America will ever get smart enough to ask that question BEFORE an invasion?
When have our leaders ever asked a question before an invasion? We need to stay the fuck out of other countries business's and take care of our own. That does not include creating a welfare state, like we are doing now.
ramone
05-05-2012, 11:29 AM
No problem Alias, apology accepted.
Nor am I a progressive or any other political ideology label, are you a window licker who bangs sea monkeys in their doo doo holes to honor the god of zombies?
Well, you have to be somewhere on the political scale. left or right......just sayin.
When have our leaders ever asked a question before an invasion? We need to stay the fuck out of other countries business's and take care of our own. That does not include creating a welfare state, like we are doing now.
Looks like Syria is next. As Everybody says we wont be getting involved to what we already are. Even tho Obama and Clinton keeps saying we aren't Publicly.....while hiding what the left hand is doing.
Vilifier of Zombies
05-05-2012, 11:44 AM
Well, you have to be somewhere on the political scale. left or right......just sayin.
No not really, not when there's a center - even then it's not written in stone. What's in a label besides groupthink, flocks of sheep, parrots, or herd instinct?
Stances on issues shouldn't be relegated to political ideology, as if that were the reason seems to be a common trend on this and many other forums.
Alias
05-05-2012, 12:06 PM
No problem Alias, apology accepted.
Nor am I a progressive or any other political ideology label, are you a window licker who bangs sea monkeys in their doo doo holes to honor the god of zombies?
Oh my gosh, no. I'm a third generation psychobilly. Totally self-sufficient and not to be messed with. Loud and proud.
Even leaders that rise up eventually will have to encounter each others concepts as to how to lead. Compromise is a necessary norm for a Nation's Economy.
In some others areas it is not. In some there is No Compromise.
Vilifier of Zombies
05-05-2012, 12:56 PM
Oh my gosh, no. I'm a third generation psychobilly. Totally self-sufficient and not to be messed with. Loud and proud.
See, I would've thought for sure you'd banged sea monkeys to idolize Jesus - I suppose we all have our own misconceptions about one another.
Does the law know about your medical mary jane status Alias, last I checked, Idaho's pot laws were pretty stout - and you're a dittohead - it wouldn't bode well for you in the end if you'd got caught.
Alias
05-05-2012, 01:51 PM
No not really, not when there's a center - even then it's not written in stone. What's in a label besides groupthink, flocks of sheep, parrots, or herd instinct?
Stances on issues shouldn't be relegated to political ideology, as if that were the reason seems to be a common trend on this and many other forums.
You know the old saying, "if it quacks like a duck.........."
Alias
05-05-2012, 01:53 PM
See, I would've thought for sure you'd banged sea monkeys to idolize Jesus - I suppose we all have our own misconceptions about one another.
Does the law know about your medical mary jane status Alias, last I checked, Idaho's pot laws were pretty stout - and you're a dittohead - it wouldn't bode well for you in the end if you'd got caught.
Never said I lived in Idaho. I live in Washington right near the state line with Idaho and near Sandpoint. Don't worry, I'll steer. You just sit back and enjoy the ride.
Conley
05-05-2012, 02:11 PM
Sea monkeys. :laugh: That's a blast from the past...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea-Monkeys what a let down. :cry:
Vilifier of Zombies
05-05-2012, 03:42 PM
You know the old saying, "if it quacks like a duck.........."
You bang sea monkeys?
I don't get wrapped up with other's political ideologies, they're irrelevant when discussing stances on issues anyways, unless they are the issue - then I'm usually mocking them for groupthink or herd instinct behavior.
Vilifier of Zombies
05-05-2012, 03:50 PM
Never said I lived in Idaho. I live in Washington right near the state line with Idaho and near Sandpoint. Don't worry, I'll steer. You just sit back and enjoy the ride.
Sandpoint is about thirty plus miles away from the border if I remember right, Eastern Washington sucks - the complete opposite of Northern Idaho, it's a sad existence - I now know why you post the way you do.
Alias
05-05-2012, 04:34 PM
Sandpoint is about thirty plus miles away from the border if I remember right, Eastern Washington sucks - the complete opposite of Northern Idaho, it's a sad existence - I now know why you post the way you do.
In this part of the world, thirty miles is "near". Yes, this has been a sad experience. Have a nice day.:smiley_bar:
HogRancher
05-05-2012, 04:48 PM
"My fellow Americans, we have traveled through more than a decade under the dark cloud of war," said Barack Obama from Bagram (http://m.npr.org/news/front/151803730) Air Base.
"Here in the predawn darkness, we can see the light of a new day on the horizon. The Iraq War is over. The number of troops in harm's way has been cut in half, and more will be coming home. ... The time of war began in Afghanistan, and this is where it will end."
Interesting comment, that last.
If "the time of war" is at an end, does that rule out U.S. military action in Syria or war on Iran?
Setting aside the 14,000-mile round trip to Afghanistan to do an end zone dance (http://www.vdare.com/help-vdarecom-unwrap-obama-from-the-flag) on the anniversary of Seal Team Six's (http://www.vdare.com/posts/did-seal-team-six-look-like-america) dispatch of Osama bin Laden, (http://www.vdare.com/articles/the-fog-of-fog) Obama seems to have boxed in his Republican rivals.
His assurance that our wars are ending and our troops are coming home reflects the national will. And his partnership agreement with President Hamid Karzai and pledge that a U.S. force will remain to train the Afghan army and prevent al-Qaida's return inoculates him against the charge that he is cutting and running.
Yet The New York Times was disappointed.
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http://www.vdare.com/articles/a-decade-of-war-for-what
Just another worthless Obama speech....................
Vilifier of Zombies
05-05-2012, 05:16 PM
In this part of the world, thirty miles is "near". Yes, this has been a sad experience. Have a nice day.:smiley_bar:
Yet in that thirty mile span, it's like night and day - happy lucky go Idahoans going about their day with the occasional problematic moose to worry about - contrasted and compared to the dirty and unhappy unemployed meth-mouth addled toothless Eastern Washingtonians blaming everyone else in the world for their woes, having to live in envy over their neighbors across the state line, ever consider moving - I know, not Idaho, you'd end up in the slammer toss'n salad but to another location that's not as despondent as Eastern Washington? Olympia or even Northeastern Oregon and you'd definitely be better off than Eastern Washington.
Yeah right.....like fucking Idaho and Washington are at War. :rollseyes:
Vilifier of Zombies
05-06-2012, 11:45 AM
It's not really a war MMC, it's one side mocking the other's misfortunes, the side doing the mocking is more heavily armed and have a quicker wit about 'em.
It's the same as if it were Mike Ward (Idaho) vs Sinbad (Eastern Washington).
Alias
05-06-2012, 12:10 PM
Yet in that thirty mile span, it's like night and day - happy lucky go Idahoans going about their day with the occasional problematic moose to worry about - contrasted and compared to the dirty and unhappy unemployed meth-mouth addled toothless Eastern Washingtonians blaming everyone else in the world for their woes, having to live in envy over their neighbors across the state line, ever consider moving - I know, not Idaho, you'd end up in the slammer toss'n salad but to another location that's not as despondent as Eastern Washington? Olympia or even Northeastern Oregon and you'd definitely be better off than Eastern Washington.
Do you still take LSD?
Alias
05-06-2012, 12:11 PM
It's not really a war MMC, it's one side mocking the other's misfortunes, the side doing the mocking is more heavily armed and have a quicker wit about 'em.
It's the same as if it were Mike Ward (Idaho) vs Sinbad (Eastern Washington).
Oh, now I get it. You think you're a comedian. Are you auditioning for the role of Bill Maher or Jon Stewart?
Vilifier of Zombies
05-06-2012, 12:36 PM
Do you still take LSD?
Why is it your meth-mouth Eastern Washingtonian brethren don't participate in dental hygiene like that of their Idahoan neighbors?
An entire region of yuck mouths - fuck'n disgusting.
Vilifier of Zombies
05-06-2012, 12:36 PM
Oh, now I get it. You think you're a comedian. Are you auditioning for the role of Bill Maher or Jon Stewart?
Nope, you never did get it - that's because you're high all the time sparky!
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