Let's Discuss The Open Sabotaging of Government by Elected Politicians

[Cigar]

Why are these Elected Officials not held accountable or responcible by Voters ?


On Inauguration Night, January 20th, 2009

Eric Cantor, Paul Ryan & Kevin McCarthy: Plot To Sabotage US Economy with Frank Luntz (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/06/08/1098434/-Eric-Cantor-Paul-Ryan-Kevin-McCarthy-Plot-To-Sabotage-US-Economy-with-Frank-Luntz)

On January 20, 2009 Republican Leaders in Congress literally plotted to sabotage and undermine U.S. Economy during President Obama's Inauguration.


In Robert Draper's book, "Do Not Ask What Good We Do: Inside the U.S. House of Representatives" Draper wrote thatduring a four hour, "invitation only" meeting with GOP Hate-Propaganda Minister, Frank Luntz, the below listed Senior GOP Law Writers literally plotted to sabotage, undermine and destroy America's Economy.

The Guest List:
Frank Luntz - GOP Minister of Propaganda
Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI)
Rep. Eric Cantor (R-VA)
Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-CA),
Rep. Pete Sessions (R-TX),
Rep. Jeb Hensarling (R-TX),
Rep. Pete Hoekstra (R-MI)
Rep. Dan Lungren (R-CA),
Sen. Jim DeMint (SC-R),
Sen. Jon Kyl (AZ-R),
Sen. Tom Coburn (OK-R),
Sen. John Ensign (NV-R) and
Sen. Bob Corker (TN-R).
Non-lawmakers present Newt Gingrich


During the four hour meeting:

The senior GOP members plotted to bring Congress to a standstill regardless how much it would hurt the American Economy by pledging to obstruct and block President Obama on alllegislation.


These Republican members of Congress were not simply airing their complaints regarding the other party's political platform for four long hours. No, these Republican Congressional Policymakers, who were elected to do 'the People's work' were literally plotting to sabotage, undermine and destroy the U.S. Economy.


Mitt Romney, who has hired most of Bush/Cheney Policy Advisers, and the GOP party believe they can defeat President Obama, take control of the Senate and maintaining control of the House of Representatives so long as the economic recovery stalls. So they are actively trying to make it happen ... and that's what hate-propaganda Minister Frank Luntz had in mind when he organized the January 20, 2009 covert meeting.


Republicans do not pay Frank Luntz to offer ideas for good policy to help America, rather, Republicans pay Luntz' to devise lies that will keep Americans dumb and ignorant to facts on policy. For decades Republicans have paid Frank Luntz to tell them (Republicans) what to say in order to brainwash 'the People' with lies and hate to destroy policy.


Luntz does not use words to merely have Americans "change their minds." Rather, Frank Luntz uses words intentionally to dumb-down Americans and fill them with lies and hate so as to brainwash and program Americans to hate a given policy.


Frank Luntz, like many Hate-Propaganda Ministers, loathes the notion of honesty in debate. Also, like many Hate-Propaganda Ministers, Frank Luntz wants total control ... total control even it if means destroying America. So, Luntz uses the tactics similar to Joseph Goebbels: spread hate, lies and fear in order to gain control. (More on Frank Luntz at the end of this Diary).


Remember, for months prior to January 20, 2009, America had been losing over 750,000 jobs per month because of policies these same elected Republican lawmakers had enacted and their goal, their goal that night, was to plot ways to sabotage and undermine any and all legislation that would pull American families up and out of the economic calamity they [lawmakers] had helped create.


Two months after their covert meeting where they plotted to sabotage the US Economy, in March 2009, Rep.Pete Sessions said Republicans should follow the model of the Taliban in its battles against President Obama.

There's plenty more evidance ...


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/0...h-Frank-Luntz# (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/06/08/1098434/-Eric-Cantor-Paul-Ryan-Kevin-McCarthy-Plot-To-Sabotage-US-Economy-with-Frank-Luntz#)


The Republican Party and The GOP got exactly the Economy they were working to produce ... unfortunately for The GOP, they were not able to Obstruct all of President Obama accomplishment.

:wink: Let's discuss ...

[Chris]

All government ever does is sabotage the economy. Why is this special? Or is this just a partisan dig?

[hanger4]

Why do you ignore Harry Reid's shut-down of the Senate ?? The House has moved many bills to the Senate only to have Reid never even allow debate much less a vote.

[The Xl]

Just part of the game. Obama and the Republicans come together and/or agree with each other when it came to sabotaging the US, see the NDAA, Patriot Act, banker bailouts, our foreign policy in general, this upcoming Isis crap, etc.

Didn't Obama get enough spending done in his term? Didn't he increase the debt by 8 trillion or some shit? What more do you want?

[Cigar]

Why do you ignore Harry Reid's shut-down of the Senate ?? The House has moved many bills to the Senate only to have Reid never even allow debate much less a vote.

Feel free to start a Thread on it ...

[Cigar]

Just part of the game. Obama and the Republicans come together and/or agree with each other when it came to sabotaging the US, see the NDAA, Patriot Act, banker bailouts, our foreign policy in general, this upcoming Isis crap, etc.

Didn't Obama get enough spending done in his term? Didn't he increase the debt by 8 trillion or some shit? What more do you want?


What exactly does this have to do with what happened on Inauguration Night January 20th 2009?

[The Xl]

What exactly does this have to do with what happened on Inauguration Night January 20th 2009?

Pretty simple.

A. The people who "sabotage" him basically agree with him and pass bills they both want, especially ones that kill our freedoms.
B. He couldn't have been sabotaged that bad when you consider the insane amount of spending that's been done during his two terms.

[Chris]

What exactly does this have to do with what happened on Inauguration Night January 20th 2009?

What exactly does the spin of the OP have to do with that meeting?

[The Xl]

What exactly does the spin of the OP have to do with that meeting?

You'd think no legislation was ever passed and no spending was ever done if you read the op.

[Cigar]

Pretty simple.

A. The people who "sabotage" him basically agree with him and pass bills they both want, especially ones that kill our freedoms.
B. He couldn't have been sabotaged that bad when you consider the insane amount of spending that's been done during his two terms.

On Inauguration Night, "before" President Obama made one single policy, GOP Leaders Vowed to Sabotage the President of The United States and The United States Economy.

All BEFORE President Obama spent One (1) night in the White House.

Try to focus your reasoning between November 2008 and January 2009

:wink:

[Cigar]

You'd think no legislation was ever passed and no spending was ever done if you read the op.


Try to focus your reasoning between November 2008 and January 2009

[The Xl]

On Inauguration Night, "before" President Obama made one single policy, GOP Leaders Vowed to Sabotage the President of The United States and The United States Economy.

All BEFORE President Obama spent One (1) night in the White House.

Try to focus your reasoning between November 2008 and January 2009

:wink:

And not only did they collude with him on many things, they obviously failed overall.

Much ado over nothing. You're just looking for more nonexistent excuses for Obama.

[Cigar]

And not only did they collude with him on many things, they obviously failed overall.

Much ado over nothing. You're just looking for more nonexistent excuses for Obama.


Try to focus your reasoning between November 2008 and January 2009

[The Xl]

Try to focus your reasoning between November 2008 and January 2009

It failed, so who gives a fuck? What's the purpose of the thread? He hasn't been handcuffed by them, has he?

[Cigar]

It failed, so who gives a fuck? What's the purpose of the thread? He hasn't been handcuffed by them, has he?

So you're now saying the Economy isn't bad and they didn't try to sabatauge ?

Which is it ...

[Chris]

You'd think no legislation was ever passed and no spending was ever done if you read the op.

Yea but it's only Republicans, man!

[Chris]

So you're now saying the Economy isn't bad?

Which is it ...


Bad, because government keeps sabotaging it.

[Cigar]

Bad, because government keeps sabotaging it.


Now we're getting somewhere ... you admit to sabotaging.

Now ... who are you willing to make accountable for the open planning of sabotaging taking place between November 2008 and January 2009?

[Chris]

Now we're getting somewhere ... you admit to sabotaging.

Now ... who are you willing to make accountable for the open planning of sabotaging taking place between November 2008 and January 2009?

All of government all of the time. Sorry, I'm not a partisan.

[The Xl]

So you're now saying the Economy isn't bad and they didn't try to sabatauge ?

Which is it ...

Nothing of the sort. Rather, Obama and the Republicans got what they wanted and fucked the economy.

Obama was quite active. He spent a lot

[Professor Peabody]

All government ever does is sabotage the economy. Why is this special? Or is this just a partisan dig?

From the Daily Kos(sacks), it more like partisan DUNG.

[Chris]

From the Daily Kos(sacks), it more like partisan DUNG.

And if we wanted to get Kafkaesque...

http://i.snag.gy/QMO7t.jpg

[Cigar]

From the Daily Kos(sacks), it more like partisan DUNG.


Daily Kos is not the Topic :grin:

[Chris]

Daily Kos is not the Topic :grin:

He was commenting on the topic being partisan.

[nic34]

Everything is "partisan"....

[nic34]

...... about partisanism...... at the 2nd inaugural....



When Everything Is Partisan, Just Do What's RightFri, 01/25/2013 - 2:37pm — Michael Keegan

I suppose I shouldn't have been surprised when Republicans started complaining that President Obama's second inaugural address was too "partisan" (http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/278339-republicans-obama-should-have-reached-out-more-in-address)and lacked "outreach" (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/conservatives-react-obama-inaugural-speech-161537952--election.html)across the aisle. But who was left out? What did they find "partisan"? The acknowledgement of climate science? The idea that women should receive equal pay for equal work? The nod to civil rights struggles of our past and present? The hope that no American will have to wait in hours-long lines to vote? The defense of the existence of a social safety net? The determination to offer support to the victims of a historic storm and to find real answers to the epidemic of mass shootings? In the not-too-distant past, none of these would have raised eyebrows except on the very, very far right. But I guess that's the point: what was once the radical fringe is now in control of the Grand Old Party.

In many ways, Monday's inauguration ceremony was a Tea Party Republican's nightmare-come-true. The openly gay poet. The Spanish sprinkled into the benediction. The one-two-three punch of "Seneca Falls to Selma to Stonewall." It was the embodiment of all that the far right has tried to wall itself off from as the country begins to include more and more of the real America in its democracy.

What would have pleased this faction, short of winning the presidential election? I imagine they would have preferred a paean to the America of their imaginations -- where the founders were flawless and prescient about the right to bear assault weapons and the Constitution was delivered, amendments included, directly from God; where there are no gay people or only silent ones, where the world is not getting warmer; where there have been no struggles in the process of forging a more perfect union. This, of course, would have been its very own kind of political statement -- and one that was just rejected by the majority of American voters.

If embracing America as it is rather than as a shimmery vision of what it never was constitutes partisanship, and if it turns off people who cling to that dishonest vision, let's have more of it.

http://blog.pfaw.org/content/when-everything-partisan-just-do-whats-right

[Mac-7]

Why are these Elected Officials not held accountable or responcible by Voters ?


On Inauguration Night, January 20th, 2009

Eric Cantor, Paul Ryan & Kevin McCarthy: Plot To Sabotage US Economy with Frank Luntz (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/06/08/1098434/-Eric-Cantor-Paul-Ryan-Kevin-McCarthy-Plot-To-Sabotage-US-Economy-with-Frank-Luntz)

On January 20, 2009 Republican Leaders in Congress literally plotted to sabotage and undermine U.S. Economy during President Obama's Inauguration.


In Robert Draper's book, "Do Not Ask What Good We Do: Inside the U.S. House of Representatives" Draper wrote thatduring a four hour, "invitation only" meeting with GOP Hate-Propaganda Minister, Frank Luntz, the below listed Senior GOP Law Writers literally plotted to sabotage, undermine and destroy America's Economy.

The Guest List:
Frank Luntz - GOP Minister of Propaganda
Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI)
Rep. Eric Cantor (R-VA)
Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-CA),
Rep. Pete Sessions (R-TX),
Rep. Jeb Hensarling (R-TX),
Rep. Pete Hoekstra (R-MI)
Rep. Dan Lungren (R-CA),
Sen. Jim DeMint (SC-R),
Sen. Jon Kyl (AZ-R),
Sen. Tom Coburn (OK-R),
Sen. John Ensign (NV-R) and
Sen. Bob Corker (TN-R).
Non-lawmakers present Newt Gingrich


During the four hour meeting:

The senior GOP members plotted to bring Congress to a standstill regardless how much it would hurt the American Economy by pledging to obstruct and block President Obama on alllegislation.


These Republican members of Congress were not simply airing their complaints regarding the other party's political platform for four long hours. No, these Republican Congressional Policymakers, who were elected to do 'the People's work' were literally plotting to sabotage, undermine and destroy the U.S. Economy.


Mitt Romney, who has hired most of Bush/Cheney Policy Advisers, and the GOP party believe they can defeat President Obama, take control of the Senate and maintaining control of the House of Representatives so long as the economic recovery stalls. So they are actively trying to make it happen ... and that's what hate-propaganda Minister Frank Luntz had in mind when he organized the January 20, 2009 covert meeting.


Republicans do not pay Frank Luntz to offer ideas for good policy to help America, rather, Republicans pay Luntz' to devise lies that will keep Americans dumb and ignorant to facts on policy. For decades Republicans have paid Frank Luntz to tell them (Republicans) what to say in order to brainwash 'the People' with lies and hate to destroy policy.


Luntz does not use words to merely have Americans "change their minds." Rather, Frank Luntz uses words intentionally to dumb-down Americans and fill them with lies and hate so as to brainwash and program Americans to hate a given policy.


Frank Luntz, like many Hate-Propaganda Ministers, loathes the notion of honesty in debate. Also, like many Hate-Propaganda Ministers, Frank Luntz wants total control ... total control even it if means destroying America. So, Luntz uses the tactics similar to Joseph Goebbels: spread hate, lies and fear in order to gain control. (More on Frank Luntz at the end of this Diary).


Remember, for months prior to January 20, 2009, America had been losing over 750,000 jobs per month because of policies these same elected Republican lawmakers had enacted and their goal, their goal that night, was to plot ways to sabotage and undermine any and all legislation that would pull American families up and out of the economic calamity they [lawmakers] had helped create.


Two months after their covert meeting where they plotted to sabotage the US Economy, in March 2009, Rep.Pete Sessions said Republicans should follow the model of the Taliban in its battles against President Obama.

There's plenty more evidance ...


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/0...h-Frank-Luntz# (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/06/08/1098434/-Eric-Cantor-Paul-Ryan-Kevin-McCarthy-Plot-To-Sabotage-US-Economy-with-Frank-Luntz#)


The Republican Party and The GOP got exactly the Economy they were working to produce ... unfortunately for The GOP, they were not able to Obstruct all of President Obama accomplishment.

:wink: Let's discuss ...

This is lib fantasy.

the left is embarrassed that their hero turned out to be a dud and now they want to shift blame from him to someone else.

[nic34]

This is lib fantasy.

There are multiple sources for this story, even a book by Robert Draper....

http://thepoliticus.com/content/update-eric-cantor-plotted-sabotage-us-economy-secret-meeting-hensarling-luntz
(http://thepoliticus.com/content/update-eric-cantor-plotted-sabotage-us-economy-secret-meeting-hensarling-luntz)
http://www.amazon.com/Not-Ask-What-Good-Representatives/dp/1451642083

.... where's yours?

[Chris]

Everything is "partisan"....

Sorry, but it's not. You may be, but I am not. --Unless you're using a ravi definition.

[Mac-7]

There are multiple sources for this story, even a book by Robert Draper....

http://thepoliticus.com/content/update-eric-cantor-plotted-sabotage-us-economy-secret-meeting-hensarling-luntz
(http://thepoliticus.com/content/update-eric-cantor-plotted-sabotage-us-economy-secret-meeting-hensarling-luntz)
http://www.amazon.com/Not-Ask-What-Good-Representatives/dp/1451642083

.... where's yours?

There is no substance to your accusation.

In 2009 obama and the democrats controlled ALL the levers of government.

his party held the White House the senate and the house.

repubs had no power to stop anything the dems wanted to do.

unfortunately libs such as Obama were and are clueless so all his big ideas were failures.

[The Xl]

He clearly was not sabotaged, as he spend 8 trillion dollars and had multiple, destructive pieces of legislation passed.

[donttread]

Why are these Elected Officials not held accountable or responcible by Voters ?


On Inauguration Night, January 20th, 2009

Eric Cantor, Paul Ryan & Kevin McCarthy: Plot To Sabotage US Economy with Frank Luntz (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/06/08/1098434/-Eric-Cantor-Paul-Ryan-Kevin-McCarthy-Plot-To-Sabotage-US-Economy-with-Frank-Luntz)

On January 20, 2009 Republican Leaders in Congress literally plotted to sabotage and undermine U.S. Economy during President Obama's Inauguration.


In Robert Draper's book, "Do Not Ask What Good We Do: Inside the U.S. House of Representatives" Draper wrote thatduring a four hour, "invitation only" meeting with GOP Hate-Propaganda Minister, Frank Luntz, the below listed Senior GOP Law Writers literally plotted to sabotage, undermine and destroy America's Economy.

The Guest List:
Frank Luntz - GOP Minister of Propaganda
Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI)
Rep. Eric Cantor (R-VA)
Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-CA),
Rep. Pete Sessions (R-TX),
Rep. Jeb Hensarling (R-TX),
Rep. Pete Hoekstra (R-MI)
Rep. Dan Lungren (R-CA),
Sen. Jim DeMint (SC-R),
Sen. Jon Kyl (AZ-R),
Sen. Tom Coburn (OK-R),
Sen. John Ensign (NV-R) and
Sen. Bob Corker (TN-R).
Non-lawmakers present Newt Gingrich


During the four hour meeting:

The senior GOP members plotted to bring Congress to a standstill regardless how much it would hurt the American Economy by pledging to obstruct and block President Obama on alllegislation.


These Republican members of Congress were not simply airing their complaints regarding the other party's political platform for four long hours. No, these Republican Congressional Policymakers, who were elected to do 'the People's work' were literally plotting to sabotage, undermine and destroy the U.S. Economy.


Mitt Romney, who has hired most of Bush/Cheney Policy Advisers, and the GOP party believe they can defeat President Obama, take control of the Senate and maintaining control of the House of Representatives so long as the economic recovery stalls. So they are actively trying to make it happen ... and that's what hate-propaganda Minister Frank Luntz had in mind when he organized the January 20, 2009 covert meeting.


Republicans do not pay Frank Luntz to offer ideas for good policy to help America, rather, Republicans pay Luntz' to devise lies that will keep Americans dumb and ignorant to facts on policy. For decades Republicans have paid Frank Luntz to tell them (Republicans) what to say in order to brainwash 'the People' with lies and hate to destroy policy.


Luntz does not use words to merely have Americans "change their minds." Rather, Frank Luntz uses words intentionally to dumb-down Americans and fill them with lies and hate so as to brainwash and program Americans to hate a given policy.


Frank Luntz, like many Hate-Propaganda Ministers, loathes the notion of honesty in debate. Also, like many Hate-Propaganda Ministers, Frank Luntz wants total control ... total control even it if means destroying America. So, Luntz uses the tactics similar to Joseph Goebbels: spread hate, lies and fear in order to gain control. (More on Frank Luntz at the end of this Diary).


Remember, for months prior to January 20, 2009, America had been losing over 750,000 jobs per month because of policies these same elected Republican lawmakers had enacted and their goal, their goal that night, was to plot ways to sabotage and undermine any and all legislation that would pull American families up and out of the economic calamity they [lawmakers] had helped create.


Two months after their covert meeting where they plotted to sabotage the US Economy, in March 2009, Rep.Pete Sessions said Republicans should follow the model of the Taliban in its battles against President Obama.

There's plenty more evidance ...


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/0...h-Frank-Luntz# (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/06/08/1098434/-Eric-Cantor-Paul-Ryan-Kevin-McCarthy-Plot-To-Sabotage-US-Economy-with-Frank-Luntz#)


The Republican Party and The GOP got exactly the Economy they were working to produce ... unfortunately for The GOP, they were not able to Obstruct all of President Obama accomplishment.

:wink: Let's discuss ...


Yet they manage to convene and vote often enough to wage unnecessary war, bail out megacorps and spy on us.

[Professor Peabody]

Daily Kos is not the Topic :grin:

I was commenting on the original articles partisan nature from the Daily Kos(sacks)http://martyrshow.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/zangief-dance-yes.gif.........that never gets old.