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Mac-7
09-19-2014, 10:36 AM
These are the people that obumer is risking the lives of 3,000 US soldiers for?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2014/09/18/missing-health-workers-in-guinea-were-educating-villagers-about-ebola-when-they-were-attacked/


The bodies of eight people, including several health workers and three journalists, have been found days after they were attacked while distributing information about Ebola in a Guinean village near the city of Nzerekore, according to Reuters.


"The eight bodies were found in the village latrine," Albert Damantang Camara, a spokesman for Guinea's government, told Reuters on Thursday. "Three of them had their throats slit."


When the delegation arrived on Tuesday to do disinfection work and educate people about preventing Ebola, angry and fearful residents began throwing rocks and beating people in the group with clubs according to the Los Angeles Times, which cited Guinean radio reports. The delegation, which included one local politician, fled into the bush to escape the attackers.


One journalist who managed to escape told reporters that she could hear the people looking for her while she hid, according to the BBC.


On Thursday, the bodies were found in the septic tank of a primary school in the village, according to Camara. They had been "killed in cold blood by the villagers," he added, according to the BBC.

Matty
09-19-2014, 10:37 AM
Stupid isn't it?

Mac-7
09-19-2014, 10:41 AM
Stupid isn't it?

If private aid workers want to risk their life from the disease and from the backward villagers then that is up to them.

but for Obama to send US military to Africa is disgraceful.

Mainecoons
09-19-2014, 10:45 AM
Do you think they would have been sent if Africa was white?

I don't.

Common Sense
09-19-2014, 11:02 AM
Who started Africom in the first place?

Mac-7
09-19-2014, 11:04 AM
Who started Africom in the first place?

I think Bush41 was the first bleeding heart president who tried save the Africans from themselves.

Green Arrow
09-19-2014, 11:46 AM
This thread will go places. Time to make popcorn.

Green Arrow
09-19-2014, 11:47 AM
Do you think they would have been sent if Africa was white?

I don't.

Because there are no white people in Africa.

Have no fear, stupid white countries like Ukraine will end up getting U.S. military assistance, too, but way to play the race card.

Gunny
09-19-2014, 11:55 AM
These are the people that obumer is risking the lives of 3,000 US soldiers for?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2014/09/18/missing-health-workers-in-guinea-were-educating-villagers-about-ebola-when-they-were-attacked/

This is a shame, but there will be more. They're afraid of their own shadows there.

Obama understands Africa like he does the Middle East. He has no idea what he's doing, nor who he is dealing with. He just wants to point say "Look what I did". His boot ought to be the first one off the skid.

GrassrootsConservative
09-19-2014, 12:36 PM
Do you think they would have been sent if Africa was white?

I don't.

Of course not. The left hates white people.

nic34
09-19-2014, 12:40 PM
If private aid workers want to risk their life from the disease and from the backward villagers then that is up to them.

but for Obama to send US military to Africa is disgraceful.

Do you want to stop the spread there... or just wait till shows up here?

Didn't think about that did you?

Gunny
09-19-2014, 01:08 PM
Do you want to stop the spread there... or just wait till shows up here?

Didn't think about that did you?

I have. Sending 3000 potential carriers to bring it back to our soil is about as brilliant as everything else he touches.

nic34
09-19-2014, 01:13 PM
You're assuming those 3000 will fail.

We're screwed no matter what then......

Gunny
09-19-2014, 01:34 PM
You're assuming those 3000 will fail.

We're screwed no matter what then......

I'm assuming that Obama has little to no regard for the lives of military personnel. He has no idea what he's doing, and he won't listen to anyone that does. THAT is what I assume.

He's not sending 3K ground combat troops. He's sending doc's. Specialists. Africa's not exactly the nicest nor safest place in the world to be.

Mac-7
09-19-2014, 01:36 PM
You're assuming those 3000 will fail.

We're screwed no matter what then......

Gunny blew you out of the water and I have little to add to his reply.

except that it takes weeks for the symptoms to show up so we could have an Obama induced epidemic here in America.

but of course we already have diseases coming across the Mexican border each day with the illegal aliens.

Redrose
09-19-2014, 01:37 PM
To me it's an international problem, where is the UN? Send in UN forces, not our soldiers.

Where are the Dutch and British, who make up much of South Africa?

I have zero confidence in anything Obama does.

Gunny
09-19-2014, 01:46 PM
To me it's an international problem, where is the UN? Send in UN forces, not our soldiers.

Where are the Dutch and British, who make up much of South Africa?

I have zero confidence in anything Obama does.

Exactly. The Paper Tiger is suddenly quiet. They're usually quick to criticize any unilateral action by the US. This time it's okay .... ?

And no offense to support personnel, but the are hardly trained and equipped to defend themselves against a concerted attack. Some, depending on rank, go to the range and qualify once year. It's irresponsible to send them over with out a security force.

They're going to have be quarantined. before they can return. Let's see how that plays out.

Mainecoons
09-19-2014, 03:01 PM
To me it's an international problem, where is the UN? Send in UN forces, not our soldiers.

Where are the Dutch and British, who make up much of South Africa?

I have zero confidence in anything Obama does.

Yup, once again the Sucker Of The Planet is rushing in.

Green Arrow
09-19-2014, 03:17 PM
To me it's an international problem, where is the UN? Send in UN forces, not our soldiers.

Where are the Dutch and British, who make up much of South Africa?

I have zero confidence in anything Obama does.

The UN's problems are too numerous to count.

Mini Me
09-20-2014, 05:43 PM
I'm assuming that Obama has little to no regard for the lives of military personnel. He has no idea what he's doing, and he won't listen to anyone that does. THAT is what I assume.

He's not sending 3K ground combat troops. He's sending doc's. Specialists. Africa's not exactly the nicest nor safest place in the world to be.

TRANSLATED:

Why wont Obama listen to my mindless ranting?

Mac-7
09-20-2014, 05:52 PM
TRANSLATED:

Why wont Obama listen to my mindless ranting?

Sending 3,000 Americans into a cesspool of disease is what is mindless.

Guerilla
09-20-2014, 06:28 PM
The Africans believe that the West is either causing the outbreak or that they are withholding good vaccines. Basically they think the West is dickin around with them. (http://nigeriamasterweb.com/Masterweb/newsreel-14814-ebola-exposes-disdain-west-africa)


It therefore comes as no surprise that it took five days of Ebola affecting Americans for this cure to emerge, but no cure was ever ‘found’ or revealed for the four decades that Ebola killed only Africans.

But we as Africans cannot blame the west. We cannot be mad. This only tells us that we are at war, or well, the West is at war with us; that the West does not value or respect us.

Mac-7
09-20-2014, 06:35 PM
The Africans believe that the West is either causing the outbreak or that they are withholding good vaccines. Basically they think the West is dickin around with them. (http://nigeriamasterweb.com/Masterweb/newsreel-14814-ebola-exposes-disdain-west-africa)

What you are telling us is that Africans are ignorant and stupid.

Guerilla
09-20-2014, 06:45 PM
What you are telling us is that Africans are ignorant and stupid.

lol no I'm providing motive for the attack so everyone doesn't think they just want to kill all the infidels or some shit.

Given the West's treatment of other peoples I wouldn't blame them for having their suspicions either. Mac, do you trust western governments?

Matty
09-20-2014, 06:48 PM
lol no I'm providing motive for the attack so everyone doesn't think they just want to kill all the infidels or some shit.

Given the West's treatment of other peoples I wouldn't blame them for having their suspicions either. Mac, do you trust western governments?
Do you trust African governments?

Guerilla
09-20-2014, 06:53 PM
Do you trust African governments?

It doesn't matter, a bunch of Africans aren't coming into my country trying to direct everything like the western governments always try to do, and are currently doing.

I support the person in the link who calls for African countries to help themselves instead of relying on the west and foreign governments for so much.

Please don't troll.

Mac-7
09-20-2014, 06:56 PM
lol no I'm providing motive for the attack so everyone doesn't think they just want to kill all the infidels or some shit.



Got it.

the Africans thought the aid workers were trying to kill them.

thats no less insane than how I explained it.

Guerilla
09-20-2014, 07:06 PM
Got it.

the Africans thought the aid workers were trying to kill them.

thats no less insane than how I explained it.

Well yes it is insane, but it would be no different if their was a large outbreak in America. People will get desperate, then they may make hasty claims, then the people will follow those hasty claims because they are desperate and scared (like on 9/11). It would be no different here.

We should let them take care of it themselves if that's what they want. Insulate ourselves

Mac-7
09-20-2014, 07:09 PM
Well yes it is insane, but it would be no different if their was a large outbreak in America. People will get desperate, then they may make hasty claims, then the people will follow those hasty claims because they are desperate and scared (like on 9/11). It would be no different here.

We should let them take care of it themselves if that's what they want. Insulate ourselves

nonsense.

I can't speak for the immigrants from Africa.

But no one born in America would kill the hospital workers who were trying to help them.

Matty
09-20-2014, 08:15 PM
It doesn't matter, a bunch of Africans aren't coming into my country trying to direct everything like the western governments always try to do, and are currently doing.

I support the person in the link who calls for African countries to help themselves instead of relying on the west and foreign governments for so much.

Please don't troll.
Please don't accuse me of trolling. it isn't nice.

Chloe
09-21-2014, 04:10 AM
nonsense.

I can't speak for the immigrants from Africa.

But no one born in America would kill the hospital workers who were trying to help them.

Where you are born can't change a behavior that humans can perform. If a human in Africa is capable of killing the person that is helping them then a human in America can do the same thing. Nationality doesn't change instinct, emotion, or behavior. Put someone in a desperate enough situation or opportune moment and I think you'd be surprised what a human being can do no matter where they live. We are all capable of it.

Gerrard Winstanley
09-21-2014, 04:38 AM
nonsense.

I can't speak for the immigrants from Africa.

But no one born in America would kill the hospital workers who were trying to help them.
Correct, and that's because even the most obsolescent and ill-educated Americans have been exposed to an inkling of reason and scientism via the medium of television, ubiquity or whatever else. Virtually everyone realizes that doctors are there to help them, not kill them (well, there are exceptions (http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/04/16/jenny-mccarthy-says-she-isnt-anti-vaccine-here-are-some-other-things-she-has-said-about-vaccinations/)).

Most Africans are living out of tribal huts in malaria-infested jungles. They don't have the intellectual and social consciousness that we do. If your life's concept of a doctor revolves around a spellcaster who diagnoses all illness as springing from bad juju, it's inevitable you're going to react with suspicion, or even hostility, to strange people with strange skin and esoteric medical practices.

Gerrard Winstanley
09-21-2014, 04:45 AM
The UN's problems are too numerous to count.
People on here talk as if the UN operates on supreme terms, autonomous of the influence of any nation-state. In truth, it's as blatant a U.S. vehicle as you'll ever find, and can't even begin to get anything done without the express endorsement of Washington. Every "UN mission" in living memory has been staffed by a suspiciously high number of American-accented folk, and that's no coincidence.

Mac-7
09-21-2014, 06:15 AM
Where you are born can't change a behavior that humans can perform. If a human in Africa is capable of killing the person that is helping them then a human in America can do the same thing.

Nonsense.

The massacre of civilian aid workers took place in Africa, by Africans.

i agree that the difference is culture not race so that Africans steeped in our way of thinking and acting are capable of civilized behavior.

Guerilla
09-21-2014, 06:58 AM
nonsense.

I can't speak for the immigrants from Africa.

But no one born in America would kill the hospital workers who were trying to help them.

People do dumb things when they are afraid, no matter what your culture it is only natural. When 9/11 happened, we let our military invade the wrong people, and we let NDAA and the Patriot Act slip through, doing irrational things because someone told us it would make us safe. Why? Because we were afraid. And that was with a very isolated attack where most everyone in the country was still safe, now imagine an epidemic that effected all of the country. People would be looking to blame someone, they'd be looking for answers, for a way out, maybe something as crazy as blaming and killing the foreigners.

And America is already a pretty violent nation, especially compared to other first world countries.

Mac-7
09-21-2014, 07:02 AM
People do dumb things when they are afraid, no matter what your culture it is only natural. When 9/11 happened, we let our military invade the wrong people, and we let NDAA and the Patriot Act slip through, doing irrational things because someone told us it would make us safe. Why? Because we were afraid. And that was with a very isolated attack where most everyone in the country was still safe, now imagine an epidemic that effected all of the country. People would be looking to blame someone, they'd be looking for answers, for a way out, maybe something as crazy as blaming and killing the foreigners.

And America is already a pretty violent nation, especially compared to other first world countries.

These Africans were not "afraid."

They are ignorant savages who do the same thing to neighboring tribes over the procession of a goat or a woman.

Guerilla
09-21-2014, 07:12 AM
These Africans were not "afraid."

They are ignorant savages who do the same thing to neighboring tribes over the procession of a goat or a woman.

Who wouldn't be afraid with an epidemic in their country?

Let me repeat, America is one of the most violent developed countries in the world. Why is that? Aren't we the savages?

Matty
09-21-2014, 07:28 AM
Who wouldn't be afraid with an epidemic in their country?

Let me repeat, America is one of the most violent developed countries in the world. Why is that? Aren't we the savages?
Most of us are not. We have a few savages!

Mac-7
09-21-2014, 07:46 AM
Who wouldn't be afraid with an epidemic in their country?

Let me repeat, America is one of the most violent developed countries in the world. Why is that? Aren't we the savages?

When americans - even Obama voters in the hood - slaughter doctors and nurses in the local hospital remind us of this conversation.

but I think you're going to be waiting a long time for that to happen.

Peter1469
09-21-2014, 08:29 AM
If the US got rid of certain segments of society we would become the most peaceful nation.

Mac-7
09-21-2014, 08:31 AM
If the US got rid of certain segments of society we would become the most peaceful nation.

Agreed.

Peter1469
09-21-2014, 08:39 AM
Agreed.

:shocked:

Chloe
09-21-2014, 08:50 AM
Nonsense.

The massacre of civilian aid workers took place in Africa, by Africans.

i agree that the difference is culture not race so that Africans steeped in our way of thinking and acting are capable of civilized behavior.

Nonsense? The genocide of native Americans happened as the result of civilized Americans. The holocaust happened as the result of civilized Germans. The examples can go on and on though regarding societies that are considered civilized. Fear, desperation, and/or hated can turn the most civilized people into monsters. If one human being is capable of horrible acts then all humans are capable.

Mac-7
09-21-2014, 09:08 AM
Nonsense? The genocide of native Americans happened as the result of civilized Americans. The holocaust happened as the result of civilized Germans. The examples can go on and on though regarding societies that are considered civilized. Fear, desperation, and/or hated can turn the most civilized people into monsters. If one human being is capable of horrible acts then all humans are capable.

The Indians and settlers were at war with each other.

The aid workers in Africa were not at war with the natives when the natives murdered them.

Nazis in Germany were not Americans.

the culture of a fascist dictatorship is as alien to America as these primitive people in Africa are.

Chloe
09-21-2014, 10:20 AM
The Indians and settlers were at war with each other.

The aid workers in Africa were not at war with the natives when the natives murdered them.

Nazis in Germany were not Americans.

the culture of a fascist dictatorship is as alien to America as these primitive people in Africa are.

so in your opinion it's impossible for an American in america to do something horrendous to good people/Americans?

Mac-7
09-21-2014, 10:23 AM
so in your opinion it's impossible for an American in america to do something horrendous to good people/Americans?

No.

We have some very bad people in America.

But they are abnormal.

These Africans who murdered the aid workers were average people.

Chloe
09-21-2014, 10:24 AM
No.

We have some very bad people in America.

But they are abnormal.

These Africans who murdered the aid workers were average people.

And so called "average" people don't murder innocent people in this country daily?

Mac-7
09-21-2014, 10:27 AM
And so called "average" people don't murder innocent people in this country daily?

Not like this.

an entire village slaughtered 8 aid workers.

Chloe
09-21-2014, 10:35 AM
Not like this.

an entire village slaughtered 8 aid workers.

Because violence like that never happens here right? Dozens of kindergarten children aren't slaughtered in one day by one American. Good people aren't randomly targeted by Americans here and killed every day by fellow Americans. Examples like that happen here and there isn't even a massive disease scare in those communities making those citizens desperate and angry. If you seriously think that sort of thing couldn't happen here you are being very blind in my opinion.

Mac-7
09-21-2014, 10:39 AM
Because violence like that never happens here right? Dozens of kindergarten children aren't slaughtered in one day by one American. Good people aren't randomly targeted by Americans here and killed every day by fellow Americans. Examples like that happen here and there isn't even a massive disease scare in those communities making those citizens desperate and angry. If you seriously think that sort of thing couldn't happen here you are being very blind in my opinion.

you want to make excuses for actual savagery by the Africans with hypothetical violence in America.

Matty
09-21-2014, 10:52 AM
So, the subject was about Africans murdering aid workers and we're back to " yeah but look how evil America is" how mature!

Chloe
09-21-2014, 11:46 AM
you want to make excuses for actual savagery by the Africans with hypothetical violence in America.

Hypothetical????? Over a dozen kindergarten children we murdered by one American. I'm not saying that the aid workers murders weren't horrible, but to think that they are somehow more prone to violence is just not true. There are murders of innocent and good people every day of the week in this country. All humans regardless of where they are from are capable of savagery.

Chloe
09-21-2014, 11:48 AM
So, the subject was about Africans murdering aid workers and we're back to " yeah but look how evil America is" how mature!

Nobody is denying that aid workers were murdered but when you act as if civilized nations, especially Americans, are incapable of doing the exact same thing just because of their nationality or origin it's just naive. All of humanity is capable of savagery.

Matty
09-21-2014, 11:54 AM
Hypothetical????? Over a dozen kindergarten children we murdered by one American. I'm not saying that the aid workers murders weren't horrible, but to think that they are somehow more prone to violence is just not true. There are murders of innocent and good people every day of the week in this country. All humans regardless of where they are from are capable of savagery.
We aren't discussing America. The topic of this thread is the murder of aid workers in Africa! Right?

Chloe
09-21-2014, 11:59 AM
We aren't discussing America. The topic of this thread is the murder of aid workers in Africa! Right?

Yes

The Xl
09-21-2014, 12:37 PM
I'm not going to touch some of the dumb, racist shit posted, but sending Americans over there at that rate is retarded, it's asking for trouble.

Guerilla
09-21-2014, 01:22 PM
We aren't discussing America. The topic of this thread is the murder of aid workers in Africa! Right?

Yes the Africans killed health workers, what more do you want us to discuss about that? Stop trying to stifle conversation. The OP is obviously prejudice against Africans but for some reason believes that America would behave exceptionally during an epidemic. So I think it makes sense to compare. If you really want me to turn this thread into how shitty America is, I can, but right now we are on topic.

Anyway, I think I'm done with this thread, it will probably just go in circles now.

Mac-7
09-21-2014, 04:56 PM
Hypothetical????? Over a dozen kindergarten children we murdered by one American. I'm not saying that the aid workers murders weren't horrible, but to think that they are somehow more prone to violence is just not true. There are murders of innocent and good people every day of the week in this country. All humans regardless of where they are from are capable of savagery.

If the public teachers banded together and slaughtered the children with machetes then you would have an event comparable to what the African village did.

Green Arrow
09-21-2014, 05:16 PM
If the public teachers banded together and slaughtered the children with machetes then you would have an event comparable to what the African village did.

Clearly you're not good at math. A white adult American killed 20 children and 6 adults. A few African adults killed eight other adults. There is no contest, the Sandy Hook shooting was far more savage and terrible. Switching out a machete for a gun doesn't make it more savage.

Mac-7
09-21-2014, 05:19 PM
Clearly you're not good at math. A white adult American killed 20 children and 6 adults. A few African adults killed eight other adults. There is no contest, the Sandy Hook shooting was far more savage and terrible. Switching out a machete for a gun doesn't make it more savage.

the American was an anomaly whereas the Africans were just being typical Africans.

Green Arrow
09-21-2014, 05:21 PM
the American was an anomaly whereas the Africans were just being typical Africans.

He really isn't an anomaly, this stuff happens a lot. It just is done by single individuals. Are you suggesting that Africans are somehow more prone to savagery than Europeans or Americans?

Matty
09-21-2014, 05:25 PM
Yes the Africans killed health workers, what more do you want us to discuss about that? Stop trying to stifle conversation. The OP is obviously prejudice against Africans but for some reason believes that America would behave exceptionally during an epidemic. So I think it makes sense to compare. If you really want me to turn this thread into how shitty America is, I can, but right now we are on topic.

Anyway, I think I'm done with this thread, it will probably just go in circles now.
The rules of the forum say we are to remain on topic. The murder of aid workers by Africans has zit to do with murder in America. Have you read the rules?

Mac-7
09-21-2014, 05:25 PM
He really isn't an anomaly, this stuff happens a lot. It just is done by single individuals. Are you suggesting that Africans are somehow more prone to savagery than Europeans or Americans?


Single individuals is the key fact.

in spite of lib culture trying to drive everyone crazy it is still only the weakest among us that turn to violence.

but in Africa practically everyone is crazy enough to kill.

Green Arrow
09-21-2014, 05:32 PM
Single individuals is the key fact.

in spite of lib culture trying to drive everyone crazy it is still only the weakest among us that turn to violence.

but in Africa practically everyone is crazy enough to kill.

Why is that, do you think?

Mac-7
09-21-2014, 05:34 PM
Why is that, do you think?

why is Africa so violent?

i don't know.

momsapplepie
09-21-2014, 05:40 PM
comparing the actions of one lunatic to a whole village of people killing is not even a comparison.

Mac-7
09-21-2014, 08:37 PM
comparing the actions of one lunatic to a whole village of people killing is not even a comparison.

Exactly.

lynn
09-21-2014, 09:03 PM
These villages are among the poorest slums in the world with the people being very uneducated with numerous generations of religious practices that would appear barbaric to westerners.

Mac-7
09-22-2014, 07:34 AM
These villages are among the poorest slums in the world with the people being very uneducated with numerous generations of religious practices that would appear barbaric to westerners.


Why are they so poor?

could it have anything to do with their personal shortcomings?