Catalog of Rationales for Obama-Executive Not Using Ebola Isolation Plans

[Kurmugeon]

Ebola is loose in Dallas, and possibly in several other U.S. Cites, yet we still haven't restricted flight INTO the Hot Zones in Africa, or begun placing returning people through a 6 week isolation - observation period in a remote location.

http://healthmap.org/ebola/#timeline

Statistics as of Oct 6, 2014:
Guinea: 1199 cases, 740 dead, Population 11.8M
Sierra Leone: 2437 cases, 623 dead, Population 6.1M
Senegal: 1 cases, 0 dead, Population 14.1 M
Liberia: 3834 cases, 2069 dead, Population 4.3M
Nigeria: 20 cases, 43 dead, Population 173.3M
DR Congo: 70 cases, 43 dead, Population 67.5M
United States: 1 Case, 0 dead, Population 316.1M

The "Plan" for dealing with the next Ebola major African Outbreak has been around and worked out for at least 30 years, and probably longer. The Military began doing exercises in how to airlift supply remote location isolation-observation portable camps as early as 1985, I know, I participated in them.

The concept was to greatly limit the number of people allowed to fly into the Hot Zones, to just those who were essential aid-worker, Doctor, Researcher, or Security personnel. When rotation time came around, and these people needed to be pulled back to the U.S. they would be sent to a remote patch of Alaskan Tundra, or Nevada Desert, to live in a series of spaced out camps along an Airlift supply runway, with fuel, electricity, sewer, water, shelters, clean cloths, medical supplies, and food all brought in and dropped in exchange zones, and pulled by cables and aircraft tugs across a buffer zone, to be unpacked and used by each camp.

The Camps would be phased, a new one starting each week, and after six weeks, those found clean, would be flown out to rejoin society. After several weeks fallow, an emptied camp would be thoroughly cleaned, and returned to service for a new weekly group.

That was "The PLAN".

We didn't do it!

WHY!?

Who has the Authority and Decides these things?

Clearly this is an issue controlled by the Executive Branch, the President, and his appointed representative, the head of the CDC.

The current head of the CDC is Dr. Thomas R. Frieden (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/f/thomas_r_frieden/index.html?inline=nyt-per), the New York City health commissioner, appointed by President Obama in
May, 2009:

http://www.cdc.gov/about/leadership/director.htm

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/15/health/policy/15cdc.html?_r=0

Like the Attorney General, the Head of the FCC, the Head of the FAA, the Head of the EPA, the Head of the FBI, and many other Cabinet Members, ....

Dr. Frieden serves at the request and forbearance of the President, but with the advice and consent of Congress.

Dr. Frieden has the authority and responsibility to set communicable disease isolation-quarantine protocols.

If the country and/or the President is unhappy with the actions of a cabinet member, it the duty of the President to request the resignation, and select a replacement.

The Buck Stops with the President Obama on this issue. Ultimately, President Obama is response for the advice and actions taken by his cabinet members and his Administration.

So this Thread is designed to be a list or catalog of the various theories and/or Rationales for why America, the CDC, and the Obama Administration did NOT follow through with the planned response.

So, the following pages will outline a series of possible rationales behind our abandoning the long held response plans to a new, major, Africa Ebola outbreak.

Some of these rationales will be weak, vague, and incomplete.

Some of these rationales will be offensive Conspiracy Theories, in the minds of some, but not all.

Some of these rationales will be the opinions of some segments of the scientific community as to the danger presented by the outbreak, and our ability to control the hazard, but many on this forum will not agree with the assessment of control envisioned.

All the theories I could find, will be presented in a very brief sketch, and the readers/posters are encouraged to discuss them, and add new items to the growing list of rationales.

The rationales are not presented in any kind of logical order or hierarchy of believability. The order was somewhat determined by google searches return results of theories explaining the President's actions.

The Question for Debate of the Thread:

What do you believe is the Rationale being used by President Obama and his closest cabinet level advisers on the issue of Ebola, for abandoning the long held plans for Travel Restrictions and Returning Personnel Isolation?

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[Kurmugeon]

00] It is simply not a threat. There is "Not even a smidgeon" of threat, Ebola is a moderate disease that presents no more threat than any other Flu, Virus, or Infectious Disease, therefore no special reaction is needed.

01] While Ebola is dangerous, we have the medical technology to handle any volume of infected cases with advanced medical treatment which is so far in advance of the treatment used in Africa, that here in the United States, the mortality rate, spread rate, and decontamination can be handled with ease, and Ebola present no more threat here than say, Tuberculosis or Dengue fever.

02] It is NOT Fair, that Africa should suffer such diseases, while the rest of the world if free of them, so for "Social Justice" reasons, the rest of the world needs to accept the burden.

03] Africa was given huge incentives and investments in creating a tourism industry, and declaring any African country as quarantined, prematurely, would unfairly impact the needed tourism industry. Since the Death toll so far is only a few thousand out of a total population of hundreds of millions, it would be premature to block travel now, and unduly have a long range financial impact of the African Tourism Industry.

04] If "The West" and the European descended high tech countries are not affected by Ebola, little to no research into treatments and vaccines will occur, so it is the President's moral Obligation to the People of Africa to insure than at least a few thousand Americans have the disease, to insure enough money will be spent on medical research.

05] The Airline Industry makes allot of money by special chartered flights to Hot Zones, at top risk rates, to bring aid personnel in and out, and they have lobbied the Obama Administration with vast campaign contributions to insure travel continues, for their Corporate Profits.

06] The American and other High Tech Country Pharmaceutical Companies stand to make obscene profits from the sales of new, experimental anti-viral treatments, IV Bag solutions, and vaccine dosages, due to a worldwide pandemic, and therefore have lobbied the Obama Administration with vast campaign contributions to insure travel continues, for their Corporate Profits.

07] Obama is a secret Muslim, who is an American Saboteur, and is aiding and abetting ISIS Jihadist in a campaign to kill off large portions of the America Public, by creating a logical reason for Ebola to be loose in the United States, as cover for clandestine terrorist operatives, who will be selectively infecting target people within the U.S. in order to "Cut the Head and Hands Off" of the American Counter ISIS effort. There will be many cases of naturally spread Ebola, and hidden among them, in the mass death chaos, will be the select assassinations

08] Obama has been shown secret, irrefutable Proof of Anthropomorphic Global Warming, which is about to become so extreme in climate variation as to wipe out all life on earth. America, with its Oil/Gasoline Based highly mobile society, is the world's greatest AGW threat, but also are the other G7 industrialized nations. The Ebola virus represents a particularly good opportunity to attack and kill of the majority of the populations of the AGW causing/guilty countries, and leave the Innocent and far more deserving people in 3rd world under developed countries largely untouched. Obama is work with high level Climate Scientists to distribute the plague to kill off the offenders, and make the "Mobile Lifestyle" feared, in order to save the majority of the Earth's human population from the certain universal death from Climate Change. His is killing a few bad people, to save the rest of the good people.

09] Obama and God(Allah) hates White People, and wants them to die. Since most of America is white, welcoming Ebola into the United States is a case of Divine Assisted Retribution.

10] Obama is just too stupid and incompetent to understand the risks he is forcing the nation to undergo.

11] Obama and the Democrats in Congress WANTED to limit the Travel to/from the Hot Zones, but the Republicans, seeing many opportunities for corporate profit for the wealthy, Blocked all attempts.

12] Obama wanted a reason to suspend the 2014 elections, which were likely to go against the Democrats, so he created a Pandemic to allow the declaration of Martial Law, and suspend Democracy... but his timing was a few weeks off.

13] Ebola is a genetically engineered disease, like AIDS, designed to specifically kill Black people, by racial hate filled white people, and the White Doctor at the head of the CDC is the chief operative of the shadow assassin squad using bio-warfare against Blacks worldwide. (Louis Farrakhan)

14] Obama cannot act, because God is keeping him dazed, so that America suffers divine retribution for its environmental sins against Mother Earth.

15] America has had a complete cure and vaccine against Ebola for several decades, and it has already been given, disguised as a measles vaccine, to most Americans. The Plague will never happen here, because native born Americans are now all immune. We want the plague to grow and destroy all of the native people of Africa so that we can take the land for Hunting Preserves.

16] The Illuminate are behind the entire Ebola outbreak, they have immunized themselves, and plan to kill off anyone not among their number.

17] The Doctors at the CDC are the product of new politically corrected, and dumbed-down medical education and training, and simply don't know enough to accurately assess the threat.

18] Ebola viruses are actually just the Earth-Space dimensional expression of vast trans-dimenstional demons, the largest and most ancient is Cthulhu. They plan to feed on our emotions of suffering. They are using telepathic mind control to prevent reasonable reaction. (I kid you not, this was actually from another forum! Worse, the poster want on and on, in a way that convinced most he was serious.)
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn" ("In his house at R'lyeh, dead Cthulhu waits dreaming.")

19] President Obama and the CDC are vigorously reacting to the Plague, and hugely concerned about it, but know that a common citizen panic will make the spread of the virus much worse, so they are giving the impression of inaction.

20] Obama doesn't care what happens to ordinary Americans. He and his family, and other wealthy people, will be safely sequestered, and his golf-game is simply more interesting.

21] It is a long planned, vast Leftie Conspiracy by heroic, altruistic, socialist doctors and genetic engineers, to destroy those countries clinging to the obsolete process of capitalism, and a glorious new world based on Authoritarian Socialist Central Planning will arise from the gore spattered streets after the Red Death sweeps away the old world.

22] Obama hates the West for its Sins of Colonialism, and is making U.S. pay for our crimes.

23] They're not worried about Ebola because a large chunk of comet is about to strike the earth and kill all life not already sequestered in hidden underground, nuclear powered, hardened bunker, colonies of select people.

24] Obama is the Anti-Christ and we are on the cusp of the end of days.

25] Obama sees the death of a few million Americans as an acceptable price for maintaining continuous contact with long denied and discriminated against Africa.

[del]

he's hoping to wipe out all the white people

[Captain Obvious]

he's hoping to wipe out all the white people


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGBw8jS3sMw

[Kurmugeon]

he's hoping to wipe out all the white people

You seem to be a bit race obsessed.

There are many other theories.

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[Kurmugeon]

Here is a link to a 2010 news story where President Obama and his administration publicly announced that they deliberately scrapped the quarantine procedures which had been in place for decades:

https://screen.yahoo.com/president-ebola-2010-obama-administration-105807401.html



PRESIDENT EBOLA: In 2010 Obama Administration Scrapped CDC Quarantine Regulations Aimed At Ebola
by Wochit 0:50 mins

In October 2014, the first patient on American soil infected with the Ebola virus sits in isolation in a Texas hospital, prompting calls for travel restrictions between the United States and Ebola-stricken countries. Meanwhile, four years ago, the administration of President Barack Obama moved with virtually no fanfare to abandon a comprehensive set of regulations which the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) had called essential to preventing international travelers from spreading deadly diseases inside the United States. The CDC had proposed the regulations in 2005 under the administration of George W. Bush, reported USA Today in 2010. The original impetus for the regulations was fear that avian flu would spread unchecked.



There is a Video of the news story on the site.

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[del]

You seem to be a bit race obsessed.

There are many other theories.

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i'm sure there are.

[Kurmugeon]

The 1918 Pandemic, aka Spanish Flu, resulting in twice as many dead in 6 months as we lost in four years of combat in WWII, .... Nothing to worry about!

The "Spanish Flu" or H1N1, used a person's immune system against themselves, so young, strong, healthy people, were far more likely to die of it, and children and the elderly survived.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1918_flu_pandemic



...
Most influenza outbreaks disproportionately kill juvenile, elderly, or already weakened patients; in contrast the 1918 pandemic predominantly killed previously healthy young adults. Modern research, using virus taken from the bodies of frozen victims, has concluded that the virus kills through a cytokine storm (overreaction of the body's immune system). The strong immune reactions of young adults ravaged the body, whereas the weaker immune systems of children and middle-aged adults resulted in fewer deaths among those groups.
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The global mortality rate from the 1918/1919 pandemic is not known, but an estimated 10% to 20% of those who were infected died. With about a third of the world population infected, this case-fatality ratio means 3% to 6% of the entire global population died.[30] Influenza may have killed as many as 25 million people in its first 25 weeks. Older estimates say it killed 40–50 million people,[4] while current estimates say 50–100 million people worldwide were killed.
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Short of a full ICBM nuclear exchange, a Pandemic is the Human Caused or Aided event most likely to result massive numbers of dead.

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[Kurmugeon]

Here we have a BBC News story of the first known case of someone contracting Ebola while outside of Africa.

BBC News - Ebola outbreak: Nurse infected in Spain (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29514920)




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Spanish Health Minister Ana Mato has confirmed that a nurse who treated two victims of Ebola in Madrid has tested positive for the disease.

The nurse is said to be the first person in the current outbreak known to have contracted Ebola outside Africa.

The woman was part of the team that treated Spanish priests Manuel Garcia Viejo and Miguel Pajares, who both died of the virus, officials say.

Some 3,400 people have died in the outbreak - mostly in West Africa.

Meanwhile US President Barack Obama has said the White House is considering extra screening at US airports for people arriving from the worst-affected countries in West Africa.

He said the chances for an Ebola outbreak in the US were extremely low, but vowed to step up the pressure on larger countries to help with efforts to contain the disease.

It comes as the US tries to limit the spread from its first confirmed case, a Liberian in Dallas.
High fever

The Spanish nurse is in a stable condition, Ms Mato said. She started to feel ill last week when she was on...





This is the first time known that any who has not traveled to Africa, has come down with Ebola.

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[Dangermouse]

That person was a nurse taking care of two Ebola victims. Priests, I believe, who came back to Europe for treatment. They died. The nurse made a mistake in her barrier nusrsing technique.

[Kurmugeon]

That person was a nurse taking care of two Ebola victims. Priests, I believe, who came back to Europe for treatment. They died. The nurse made a mistake in her barrier nusrsing technique.

Yeah, and it is going to happen. Nursing, in the era of a deadly Pandemic, is a very dangerous career field. More dangerous than special forces military.

That said, as long as the number of cases stays relatively small, less than 1% of the American or any 1st world country population, with proper care and equipment, the Pandemic is manageable.

BUT! If it goes beyond a very sensitive threshold in simultaneous outbreak, across a broad spread of American cities, it could go rapidly beyond control.

We are a much more mobile society than any in Africa, and if it gets rolling in a 1st world, highly mobile society, it will turn into something never seen before in world history!

So, the precautions of Quarantine, Travel Restriction and Isolation, are much MORE important to 1st world countries than they are to Africa.

Why did we change the policy?!

Is it simply that Obama comes from a 3rd world country upbringing perspective, and he cannot comprehend a 1st world countries unique vulnerability?

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[Cigar]

First and foremost ... The Obama Administration has no Cabinet Executive to lead this ... you can thank the NRA is you ever get Ebola.

That why I laugh at all the Micro Biology Medical Experts I see on TV blaming a Politician for a Medical Outbreak.

Really ... :rollseyes:

[Kurmugeon]

#26 Obama was partially brought up in a series of visits to third world countries, and has largely a 3rd world perspective. Consequently, he simply cannot understand how the high degree of mobility (Cars, Buses, Airlines, commuting inter-city) found in 1st world countries, leaves them MORE vulnerable, not less, despite advanced medical technology, to high mortality rate Pandemic Pathogens. In this case, Obama's early life travel experiences make him Blind to the Hazard.




I have to wonder, has Obama ever owned a private car and commuted daily to work?

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[Kurmugeon]

How does causing my innocent 6 year old grand daughter die of Ebola help those with Ebola in Africa?

How does asking a mature, responsible Aid Worker, returning from a hot zone, to stay 6 weeks in a well provisioned remote location shelter compare to a child vomiting blood and giving up the rest of her life?

What sort of Sick Person thinks that we should risk violently killing millions of children, so a few volunteer aid workers can avoid a few weeks inconvenience?

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[Kurmugeon]

Here is information from the CDC on Ebola and how it gets transmitted:




From the CDC Website:


Ebola Hemorrhagic Fever | CDC (http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/)

What are body fluids?
Ebola has been detected in blood and many body fluids. Body fluids include saliva, mucus, vomit, feces, sweat, tears, breast milk, urine, and semen.

Can Ebola spread by coughing? By sneezing?
Unlike respiratory illnesses like measles or chickenpox, which can be transmitted by virus particles that remain suspended in the air after an infected person coughs or sneezes, Ebola is transmitted by direct contact with body fluids of a person who has symptoms of Ebola disease. Although coughing and sneezing are not common symptoms of Ebola, if a symptomatic patient with Ebola coughs or sneezes on someone, and saliva or mucus come into contact with that person’s eyes, nose or mouth, these fluids may transmit the disease.

What does “direct contact” mean?
Direct contact means that body fluids (blood, saliva, mucus, vomit, urine, or feces) from an infected person (alive or dead) have touched someone’s eyes, nose, or mouth or an open cut, wound, or abrasion.

How long does Ebola live outside the body?
Ebola is killed with hospital-grade disinfectants (such as household bleach). Ebola on dried on surfaces such as doorknobs and countertops can survive for several hours; however, virus in body fluids (such as blood) can survive up to several days at room temperature.

Are patients who recover from Ebola immune for life? Can they get it again - the same or a different strain?
Recovery from Ebola depends on good supportive clinical care and a patient’s immune response. Available evidence shows that people who recover from Ebola infection develop antibodies that last for at least 10 years, possibly longer.

We don’t know if people who recover are immune for life or if they can become infected with a different species of Ebola.

If someone survives Ebola, can he or she still spread the virus?
Once someone recovers from Ebola, they can no longer spread the virus. However, Ebola virus has been found in semen for up to 3 months. People who recover from Ebola are advised to abstain from sex or use condoms for 3 months.

Can Ebola be spread through mosquitos?
There is no evidence that mosquitos or other insects can transmit Ebola virus. Only mammals (for example, humans, bats, monkeys and apes) have shown the ability to spread and become infected with Ebola virus.


Q&As on Transmission | Ebola Hemorrhagic Fever | CDC Link: Q&As on Transmission | Ebola Hemorrhagic Fever | CDC (http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/transmission/qas.html)

[Kurmugeon]

This is from another forum, were a person poses the idea that advances in medical technology, since the advent of the Spanish Flu in 1918, make Ebola of little danger:


Medicine has improved dramatically since the early 1900s..

Epidemiology is the branch of medicine that deals with the transmission, and distribution of disease.. and we are particularly skilled and well equipped to deal with Ebola which has been around for years and is not caused by rats as the plague was.

Further, the best way to keep the US safe is to help eradicate the disease in West Africa.

Panic and fear mongering will not contribute to the solutions.

In 1st world countries, transportation, and the common occurrence of inter-city commuting for work has greatly increased as well.

The advances in medical technology do not apply to most of the people who get Ebola, since the new experimental drugs are simply not available in anything beyond quantities to treat a handful of people.

The increases in mobility of 1st world country societies, to spread the disease faster than burnout, more than offsets the advantages of medicine.

From the CDC website:
Treatment | Ebola Hemorrhagic Fever | CDC (http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/treatment/index.html)



Treatment

No FDA-approved vaccine or medicine (e.g., antiviral drug) is available for Ebola.

Symptoms of Ebola are treated as they appear. The following basic interventions, when used early, can significantly improve the chances of survival:

Providing intravenous fluids (IV)and balancing electrolytes (body salts)
Maintaining oxygen status and blood pressure
Treating other infections if they occur

Experimental vaccines and treatments for Ebola are under development, but they have not yet been fully tested for safety or effectiveness.

Recovery from Ebola depends on good supportive care and the patient’s immune response. People who recover from Ebola infection develop antibodies that last for at least 10 years, possibly longer. It isn't known if people who recover are immune for life or if they can become infected with a different species of Ebola. Some people who have recovered from Ebola have developed long-term complications, such as joint and vision problems.



So, as long as the hospitals are not so completely overrun, that you cannot get care, they will put you on an IV, put an oxygen tube in your nose, watch your pulse monitor with a crash cart nearby, and give you anti-biotics, bathing and dressing of secondary bed sores.

Advantages to be sure, but not a night and day difference from what is done in Africa right now.

It is not fear mongering or panic to question why we haven't taken the reasonable steps of restricting travel into hot zones, and placing people returning from hot zones into a few weeks of isolation.

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[Kurmugeon]

The following is from a British Society for Immunolgoy Web Site on the Ebola Virus


https://immunology.org/--bsi-ebola




BRITISH SOCIETY FOR IMMUNOLOGY ON THE EBOLA VIRUS
EBOLA AND THE IMMUNE SYSTEM
How did you wake up this morning? Did you wake up feeling rather unwell, no appetite, headache, sore throat and feverish? These are subsequent symptoms of the recent Ebolavirus attacking your immune system by eliminating crucial T-lymphocytes.

These T-lymphocytes are cells that circulate around our bodies and are responsible for finding cellular abnormalities and infections. These T-cells are also the same cells that HIV-1 attacks, but the Ebola virus does it in a far more aggressive manner. The incubation period of Ebola is about 21 days and one would have travelled to West Africa in the past month for these symptoms to be recognised as Ebola rather than Influenza. The more concerning fact is that you are now an infectious host; family, friends and anyone in close proximity to you are now in danger of contracting the virus.

Over the next few days one’s condition will dramatically deteriorate. You will be experiencing aches, abdominal pain, and critically intensive fever as well as vomiting and diarrhoea. Between two and seven days you will reach what is known as ‘crisis’ point; this is where your symptoms either recede or you begin experiencing convulsions of your immune system, or ‘Cytokine Storm’. Welcome to the terminal phase of Ebola known as haemorrhagic fever.
The Cytokine Storm works by introducing a torrent of inflammatory molecules into your circulatory system and sends your immune system into chaos. It begins by attacking all of your organs and tiny blood vessels begin to burst meaning you’re slowly bleeding to death. At this point you are at the peak of your infectiousness as the viral particles are exposed to find their next victim after pouring out of your body within blood.

While the symptoms of Ebola are similar in some way to that of Influenza one will see differences in how the virus is transmitted. It is introduced to humans through close contact with blood, secretions and other bodily fluids of infected animals. This subsequent contact with animals such as chimpanzees, gorillas, fruit bats, monkeys and porcupines will only help spread the infection.
Ebola will then spread throughout communities via human-human contact via broken skin, mucus membranes, blood, secretions and sexual intercourse. One of the main issues surrounding the epidemic is the tradition around burials; Africans have direct contact with the body of a deceased person and this plays a direct role in the transmission of Ebola.

Ebola is one of three members of the family of filoviruses (WHO, 2014) that can cause severe haemorrhagic fever that leads to mortality rates of around 50-90%. The Ebola glycoprotein (GP) mediates the recognition of the host cell thus drives fusion of the viral and host membranes, masking one’s self from immune ‘security guards’. The Ebola viral structure also offers an explanation as to why antibodies that neutralise the virus are sporadic. It is largely due to very few binding sites for antibodies to bind to, and subsequently provide the foundation for vaccines to be developed.

Glycoproteins are proteins that contain carbohydrate chains that are covalently attached to their polypeptide chain - this process is often referred to as glycosylation. The GP is the only resident of the Ebolavirus surface and it is their job to enter new host cells, offer protection against immune police and to maintain a level of viral stability when they are outside of host cells.

The viral structure contains two glycoprotein subunits that have two separate structural and functional roles. The first GP1 (Blue) is responsible for receptor engagement while the second GP2 (white) mediates fusion of viral and host membranes. In the image above one can see how sections of GP2 actually bind with GP1.

The crystal structure above predominantly shows how the GP is protected by a thick cloak of carbohydrate and leaves very few sites left exposed for...





The article is quite long and complex, and describes how Ebola is in many ways similar to the Spanish Flu of 1918.

Of particular note is the fact that the stronger your immune system, the more likely you are to die from Ebola.

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[nic34]

Kurmugy, hysterical much?

[Kurmugeon]

Here is a video with allot of interesting historic and symptom information:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6WI0AbB3lk


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[Matty]

Kurmugy, hysterical much?


Oh gwad a sake why don't you grow the hell up?

[Captain Obvious]

Kurmugy, hysterical much?

More often than not it's ignorant hysteria that does far more damage than any outbreak can ever do.

Clearly that's not going to change.

[nic34]

Oh gwad a sake why don't you grow the hell up?

Great contribution. Proud of you!

[Kurmugeon]

The CDC is closely watching seven cities with large West African Populations:

Los Angeles
Dallas
Minneapolis
Philadelphia
New York
Providence
Washington DC.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ebola-virus-outbreak/found-homeless-man-sought-ebola-case-being-monitored-n218691

[Kurmugeon]

#27] The govt took power in creating Obamacare. It should of taken precautions against ebola. Obamacare won't be able to handle a widespread cases of ebola infections. Does that make the changes in Ebola Quarantine an extension to the Cloward-Piven Strategy? It will certainly drive up the cost of Obamacare by Trillions, and likely financially overwhelm the system. The goal of the Strategy is to force change by causing collapse of the system.

ClowardPiven (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloward–Piven_strategy)

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[Kurmugeon]

The following is an assessment of what my WIFE believes that Obama Believes about or what is motivating his reaction to Ebola.

Range is 0 through 10.
0 means there is no way that Obama believes this,
5+ means chances are good that Obama at least somewhat believes this,
10 meaning this is the fundamental thing that Obama believes or is motivating him on the issue.

Note, these are not what my WIFE thinks is happening, these are her assessment on what she thinks Obama believes or has motivated his actions.

00] 8
01] 7
02] 8
03] 6
04] 7
05] 5
06] 9
07] 1
08] 3
09] 3
10] 0
11] 6
12] 0
13] 1
14] 3
15] 0
16] 0
17] 6
18] 0
19] 5
20] 3
21] 1
22] 4
23] 0
24] 1
25] 4
26] 2
27] 5

This is a difficult "Quiz" to take.

During the process of asking about each in turn, it should be pointed out, that it was difficult for her to separate the answer of what she believes, vs. what she believes is motivating Obama.

Some of her answers, particularly at the beginning, may not be accurate, because of the confusion about her belief vs. what she believes Obama thinks.

A side note: I do not personally agree with my Wife's assessments on Obama's Rationales on most of the Options.

After many others have expressed their views, I will do so.

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[nic34]

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[Kurmugeon]

http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/a4/a44229bee3764fadf67b82cf60e150c73b5c960d16a8ca5f5a 22382b20d30748.jpg


About my Wife's Assessment of what is driving Obama on Ebola?

People on Political Forums. It is a very political subject. My wife is a very typical American Hispanic woman, mother, and grandmother.

People who are running political campaigns care... ALLOT!

People who are working in the CDC probably care about their public image, since it is key in getting their jobs done.

People who are in Law Enforcement, and have to worry about imposing possible travel restrictions, and stopping a panic, care.

People who have loved ones in Dallas, and wonder if anyone even notices, probably care about what common people think.

I'd lay odds that Obama's handlers care...

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[Common Sense]

Many many many more Americans will die from the flu this year than Ebola. But Ebola is a much better headline.

[Kurmugeon]

Many many many more Americans will die from the flu this year than Ebola. But Ebola is a much better headline.

This is Probably true.

BUT! If the Dallas incident, did manage to let infected people move to a dozen major cities, and even now they are unknowingly spreading it, it could be that we will have a Pandemic unlike anything ever seen.

The only thing that could come close is the 1918 Spanish Flu.

The Cuban Missile Crisis was probably the closest the world ever came to a thermonuclear exchange. It is still talked about today, often.

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[Common Sense]

This is Probably true.

BUT! If the Dallas incident, did manage to let infected people move to a dozen major cities, and even now they are unknowingly spreading it, it could be that we will have a Pandemic unlike anything ever seen.

The only thing that could come close if the 1918 Spanish Flu.

The Cuban Missile Crisis was probably the closest the world ever came to a thermonuclear exchange. It is still talked about today, often.

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It'll never come close to the same levels of the Spanish Flu. It's not airborne. It's been going on for months now and hasn't even killed 5,000 in Africa. In a year the Spanish Flu is said to have killed up to 50 million people.

So it's nothing like it at all.

[Kurmugeon]

It'll never come close to the same levels of the Spanish Flu. It's not airborne. It's been going on for months now and hasn't even killed 5,000 in Africa. In a year the Spanish Flu is said to have killed up to 50 million people.

So it's nothing like it at all.

There was a point in time when the 1918 Spanish Flu had only killed ~5K people...

We have never seen a high mortality rate hemorrhagic virus get loose in a 1st world country which has adopted large numbers of daily commuting workers.

We have little data to go on, but what is there, says that if the Dallas incident spread to other cities, we are in big trouble.

We'll know if we just got lucky in a week or two.

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[Common Sense]

There was a point in time when the 1918 Spanish Flu had only killed ~5K people...

We have never seen a high mortality rate hemorrhagic virus get loose in a 1st world country which has adopted large numbers of daily commuting workers.

We have little data to go on, but what is there, says that if the Dallas incident spread to other cities, we are in big trouble.

We'll know if we just got lucky in a week or two.

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Unless these people are bleeding on each other or spitting into people's mouths on the subway, we're not going to see those numbers. It's just not going to happen. Isolating this is much easier than isolating airborne diseases.

It's not about getting lucky, it's about being knowledgeable and not buying the hysteria from the media. If it literally bleeds, it leads.

[Matty]

Great contribution. Proud of you!
Better than yours! Actually.

[Common Sense]

There's some Ebola right there ^^^

[Kurmugeon]

Here is an article that poses, the Ebola problem will never be solved, because there isn't any profit in a solution, but there is profits in the disease continuing

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2014/08/the-political-economy-of-ebola/



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The Political Economy of Ebola
by Leigh Phillips
Ebola is a problem that will not be solved, because it isn’t profitable to do so.

The Onion, as ever, is on point with its “coverage” of the worst recorded outbreak of Ebola, and the first in West Africa, infecting some 1,779 people and killing at least 961. “Experts: Ebola Vaccine At Least 50 White People Away,” read the cheeky headline of the July 31 news brief.

Our shorthand explanation is that if the people infected with Ebola were white, the problem would be solved. But the market’s role in both drug companies’ refusal to invest in research and the conditions on the ground created by neoliberal policies that exacerbate and even encourage outbreaks goes unmentioned.

Racism is certainly a factor. Jeremy Farrar, an infectious disease specialist and the head of the Wellcome Trust, one of the largest medical research charities in the world, told the Toronto Star: “Imagine if you take a region of Canada, America, Europe, and you had 450 people dying of a viral hemorrhagic fever. It would just be unacceptable — and it’s unacceptable in West Africa.”

He noted how an experimental Canadian-developed Ebola vaccine had been provided on an emergency use basis to ...


The articles raises some very interesting questions, and makes a number of valid points and observations.

The mere existence of the article shows how Ebola is now a Political Issue, and not just a Medical Issue.

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[Kurmugeon]

Unless these people are bleeding on each other or spitting into people's mouths on the subway, we're not going to see those numbers. It's just not going to happen. Isolating this is much easier than isolating airborne diseases.

It's not about getting lucky, it's about being knowledgeable and not buying the hysteria from the media. If it literally bleeds, it leads.

It seems to be spreading well across Western Africa. To my knowledge, they don't have subways.

I doubt that they are bleeding on each other or spitting into people's mouths.

It seems you assessment and reaction may be the hysteria...

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[Common Sense]

It seems to be spreading well across Western Africa. To my knowledge, they don't have subways.

I doubt that they are bleeding on each other or spitting into people's mouths.

It seems you assessment and reaction may be the hysteria...

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It spreads there because of a lack of education and the fact that people are impoverished and many lack proper hygiene basics. That and their practice of washing the bodies of the deceased.

How am I being hysterical? By not panicking and blowing things out of proportion? The outbreak has been going on for over 9 months and around 3,500 have died.

It is a serious disease and it requires immediate action in the west and in Africa. My point is that it is being overblown because it gets attention.

[Kurmugeon]

It spreads there because of a lack of education and the fact that people are impoverished and many lack proper hygiene basics. That and their practice of washing the bodies of the deceased.

How am I being hysterical? By not panicking and blowing things out of proportion? The outbreak has been going on for over 9 months and around 3,500 have died.

It is a serious disease and it requires immediate action in the west and in Africa. My point is that it is being overblown because it gets attention.

The CDC makes the following projections:

http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/outbreaks/2014-west-africa/qa-mmwr-estimating-future-cases.html



Questions and Answers: Estimating the Future Number of Cases in the Ebola Epidemic—Liberia and Sierra Leone, 2014–2015


Summary

This week’s MMWR, Estimating the Future Number of Cases in the Ebola Epidemic—Liberia and Sierra Leone, 2014–2015 (http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/su63e0923a1.htm), estimates the future number of cases if current trends continue. The MMWR also adjusts the number of cases based on estimated underreported cases.


By September 30, 2014, CDC estimates that there will be approximately 8,000 cases, or as high as 21,000 cases if corrections for underreporting are made.

Without additional interventions or changes in community behavior, CDC estimates that by January 20, 2015, there will be a total of approximately 550,000 Ebola cases in Liberia and Sierra Leone or 1.4 million if corrections for underreporting are made.


Cases in Liberia are currently doubling every 15-20 days, and those in Sierra Leone and Guinea are doubling every 30-40 days.
Halting the epidemic requires that approximately 70% of Ebola cases be cared for in Ebola Treatment Units or, if they are at capacity, at home or in a community setting in which there is a reduced risk of disease transmission and safe burials are provided.

Key Messages



If conditions remain unchanged, the situation will rapidly become much worse.
We know how to control and eventually stop the epidemic. Halting the epidemic requires placing up to 70% of patients into either an Ebola Treatment Unit or in a community setting in which the risk of disease transmission is reduced and safe burials are provided.
The cost of delay will be devastating. The number of cases is doubling about every 20 days. Every month of delay in reaching the 70% target will increase the number of patients, which means more cases and more deaths and the need for even more beds and other resources.




Let's recap: January 20, 2015, there will be a total of approximately 550,000 Ebola cases in Liberia and Sierra Leone

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[Common Sense]

The CDC makes the following projections:

http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/outbreaks/2014-west-africa/qa-mmwr-estimating-future-cases.html




Let's recap: January 20, 2015, there will be a total of approximately 550,000 Ebola cases in Liberia and Sierra Leone

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Well, it's already October 7th, so it seems their estimates are wrong.

"By September 30, 2014, CDC estimates that there will be approximately 8,000 cases, or as high as 21,000 cases if corrections for underreporting are made."

Those are projections. Like I said, it's going to spread much faster in Africa.

[Kurmugeon]

Well, it's already October 7th, so it seems their estimates are wrong.

"By September 30, 2014, CDC estimates that there will be approximately 8,000 cases, or as high as 21,000 cases if corrections for underreporting are made."

Those are projections. Like I said, it's going to spread much faster in Africa.


If! we got lucky in Dallas.

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[nathanbforrest45]

First and foremost ... The Obama Administration has no Cabinet Executive to lead this ... you can thank the NRA is you ever get Ebola.

That why I laugh at all the Micro Biology Medical Experts I see on TV blaming a Politician for a Medical Outbreak.

Really ... :rollseyes:


Well, ain't that special. The NRA is behind not having a quarantine process in place. That's really peachy.

Actually, that is about the dumbest statement even from Cigar I have ever heard.

[Kurmugeon]

This is from another forum, but very relevant:

The subject was the relative contagiousness between HIV and Ebola.




No, it's not. Pretty similar, actually. Bodily fluid contact. Same protein, even. Also, Ebola kills you really fast, relative to AIDS. The reason AIDS spreads so far is that you can have it for years without ever getting sick. Ebola, you last a few days.

You're the victim of scaremongering. Look it up. Stop panicking.

With care, the chances of transmitting HIV from a mother to a baby she is giving birth to less than 1%.

HIV & AIDS Information :: Mother-to-baby transmission (http://www.aidsmap.com/Mother-to-baby-transmission/page/1044918/)

There is a U.S. Journalist who believes he caught Ebola while cleaning a Car.

US Journalist Believes He Got Ebola While Cleaning Infected Car - ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/Health/us-journalist-ebola-nebraska-treatment/story?id=25987193)

One of the police officers who went into the Dallas Ebola apartment is now being tested for the disease.

Dallas sheriff's deputy who went inside Ebola victim's apartment rushed to hospital - San Antonio Express-News (http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/Report-Patient-claiming-contact-with-Dallas-5809676.php)

A nurse in Spain contracted the disease, despite using proper medical protocols.

A vexing mystery in Spain: How did a nurse contract Ebola? - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2014/10/07/after-nurse-contracts-ebola-spanish-health-workers-raise-concerns-about-protective-equipment/)

Ebola case rattles Spain, prompts investigation (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/10/07/spain-ebola-nurse-investigation/16844279/)

Many in the medical establishments are worried that it may be more contagious than thought.

Some Ebola experts worry virus may spread more easily than assumed - LA Times (http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-ebola-questions-20141007-story.html#page=1)

BBC News - WHO warns of Ebola health care risks (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29531671)


You are just plain WRONG!



Even as I type this, I am sick with Flu like symptoms, in Albuquerque NM. I am coughing out blood as well.

But due to a heavy metal exposure in a government lab around 10 years ago, even when not sick, if I lose a few pounds burning body fat, I cough, urinate and pass blood routinely, so in my case, who can tell?

I probably just have the Sinus Virus that's going around.

But I won't be visiting my grand kids.



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[Mac-7]

You seem to be a bit race obsessed.

There are many other theories.

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Del was making a face at you, but he may have stumbled on an acorn.

As a black man with a racial chip,on his shoulder Obama seems to have always held a grudge against white America.

if he could be sure ebola would kill more whites or mostly whites and therefore change the racial balance in America faster I don't think the black golfer in chief would mind.

[Kurmugeon]

he's hoping to wipe out all the white people


You seem to be a bit race obsessed.

There are many other theories.

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Del was making a face at you, but he may have stumbled on an acorn.

As a black man with a racial chip,on his shoulder Obama seems to have always held a grudge against white America.

if he could be sure ebola would kill more whites or mostly whites and therefore change the racial balance in America faster I don't think the black golfer in chief would mind.

I think he probably would like to see many White Americans die, but then, so would most Democrats.

With the rise of the Progressive-Fascists, the Democratic Party has morphed into something I'd never have dreamed to see in my youth.

http://diversitychronicle.wordpress.com/2013/11/18/progressive-professor-urges-white-male-students-to-commit-suicide-during-class/



Progressive Professor Urges White Male Students to Commit Suicide During Class November 18, 2013 · by Diversity Chronicle (http://diversitychronicle.wordpress.com/author/admindiversitychronicle/)

By Ivan Fernando
“If you are a white male, you don’t deserve to live. You are a cancer, you’re a disease, white males have never contributed anything positive to the world! They only murder, exploit and oppress non-whites! At least a white woman can have sex with a black man and make a brown baby but what can a white male do? He’s good for nothing. Slavery, genocides against aboriginal peoples and massive land confiscation, the inquisition, the holocaust, white males are all to blame! You maintain your white male privilege only by oppressing, discriminating against and enslaving others!” Professor Noel Ignatiev, a tenured professor at Massachusetts College loudly proclaimed to his class last Monday, his final teaching day before retirement.
The good Professor’s sound and reasonable words resonate with every enlightened and progressive mind. They are indisputable and no one can debate them. They should not be controversial in the slightest, yet remarkably a few far-right extremists object to Prof. Ignatiev’s advice. The Professor however, reported receiving “a standing ovation” from his “largely white and middle class students.” Prof. Ignatiev’s critics say that openly calling for students, even if they are white males, to kill themselves was inappropriate and perhaps excessive. In this article, we will look at the other side of the issue.
Fortunately, I was able to arrange a telephone interview ...


Their casual de-humanization of any and all who oppose their agenda is NOT a "Liberal" concept!

Well, that was part of the point in making this thread.

The Catalog contains many theories, some so outlandish as to be entertainingly silly (Cthulhu Demons!).

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Others contain some portion of the truth, but none are probably the sole reason for Obama's actions with regard to Ebola.

Somewhere in the grey area, filled by a portion of several of the "Theories" lies the truth....

What is your take?

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[Common Sense]

Some of you have clearly lost your minds. Obama wants to kill whitey?

Some people are so fucking nuts it boggles the mind.

[Cigar]

Some of you have clearly lost your minds. Obama wants to kill whitey?

Some people are so $#@!ing nuts it boggles the mind.


Once again, Obama has done a horiable job of the things these people are saying he's doing ...

IF Obama whats to Kill Whitey ... start naming the Whitey's he's Killing :laugh:

[Mac-7]

Some of you have clearly lost your minds. Obama wants to kill whitey?

Some people are so $#@!ing nuts it boggles the mind.

You forget that Obama is the lazy golfer in chief who leads from behind.

I said the least American who ever occupied the Oval Office may be hoping that the African virus will kill white Americans for him.

thats how wimps operate.

[The Xl]

Obama openly works for white corporate America, guys.

[Common Sense]

You forget that Obama is the lazy golfer in chief who leads from behind.

I said the least American who ever occupied the Oval Office may be hoping that the African virus will kill white Americans for him.

thats how wimps operate.

You're like a cartoon character.

[Mac-7]

You're like a cartoon character.

you get so much of your opinions from cartoons that you would be the authority on that.

[Common Sense]

So dumb...

[Kurmugeon]

Some of you have clearly lost your minds. Obama wants to kill whitey?

Some people are so $#@!ing nuts it boggles the mind.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDb2byj74oY

Well, both President Obama, and Eric Holder seem to hold Samir Shabazz in high enough esteem to break the LAW in order to dismiss charges against "My People"...

and Samir Shabazz goes on and on and on and on about Killing Cracker Babies.

And that isn't the first time in the last few years that Lefties and Progressives have made comments about white people needing to die:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/hispanicleaders.asp




Augustin Cebada, Brown Berets; "Go back to Boston! Go back to Plymouth Rock, Pilgrims! Get out! We are the future. You are old and tired. Go on. We have beaten you. Leave like beaten rats. You old white people. It is your duty to die ... Through love of having children, we are going to take over.

Richard Alatorre, Los Angeles City Council. "They're afraid we're going to take over the governmental institutions and other institutions. They're right. We will take them over ... We are here to stay."




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2Mf-QR4z_4


http://seeingredaz.wordpress.com/2013/11/21/oprah-winfrey-old-white-people-just-have-to-die/

Oprah Winfrey gets into the "Death to Whites" act as well.



“As long as there are people who still — there’s a whole generation – I say this, you know, I said this, you know, for apartheid South Africa, I said this for my own, you know, community in the south — there are still generations of people, older people, who were born and bred and marinated in it, in that prejudice and racism, and they just have to die.”



http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-cNFAYMv4Zs

Ironic, she's summarily judges a whole group of people by their age and race, and "PREJUDGES" them based on that alone, and has the gall in the same sentence to accuse Others of Racism, when her very words are Racist in the meaning.

When someone tells you over and over and over that you deserve to be dead, sooner or later, you take them at their words.

Let's put it this way, if Ebola ended up somehow killing a bunch of White Conservatives, I don't think many on the Left would cry over it.

Ironically, Conservatives are allot less likely to contract Ebola, or HIV or any other disease, because they are.... Conservative in Behavior and Sexual Partners.

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[Common Sense]

LOL...so now Holder and Obama are Black Panthers.


Another Looney Tune...

[Kurmugeon]

So dumb...

You've spent a great deal of posts, time and space on this thread making rude comments, ad hominem attacks, and cheap shots...

But you have yet to tell U.S. which of the listed justifications for why Obama has abandoned the planned Ebola Quarantine Protocols?

Could you address the subject of the thread please?



The Question for Debate of the Thread:

What do you believe is the Rationale being used by President Obama and his closest cabinet level advisers on the issue of Ebola, for abandoning the long held plans for Travel Restrictions and Returning Personnel Isolation?



So, take the quiz, take the 28 Options and rate them 0-10 Impossible to Most Likely.

If you don't like the 28 Options, give U.S. better Rationales?


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[Common Sense]

You've spent a great deal of posts, time and space on this thread making rude comments, ad hominem attacks, and cheap shots...

But you have yet to tell U.S. which of the listed justifications for why Obama has abandoned the planned Ebola Quarantine Protocols?

Could you address the subject of the thread please?




So, take the quiz, take the 28 Options and rate them 0-10 Impossible to Most Likely.

If you don't like the 28 Options, give U.S. better Rationales?


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The quarantine protocols were abandoned due to industry pressure and pressure from civil liberties groups and the reality that they were ineffective.

I'm sorry I mock. But when I hear such retarded garbage my instinct is to mock. To think the president hates whites and would use something like this to harm them is beyond retarded.

[Kurmugeon]

The quarantine protocols were abandoned due to industry pressure and pressure from civil liberties groups and the reality that they were ineffective.


Ok, your idea is about to become option number 29, be we need more details. Which Industry? On what grounds are the civil liberties groups making demands? What right is being denied? Why would restricting travel to hot zones be ineffective?

We have the word "Quarantine" for a reason. The process has worked for humanity many times in the past.


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I'm sorry I mock. But when I hear such retarded garbage my instinct is to mock. To think the president hates whites and would use something like this to harm them is beyond retarded.

If you were actually sorry, your next sentence would not have been more of the same.

Given many of his words and actions, thinking that President Obama holds a racial grudge against White Americans is reasonable, and many, if not over 50% of Americans have come to believe it.

Trying to Use Ebola to attack Whites would be silly, since the disease, in itself, is not racially selective in any way.

However, there is a theory out there about how it COULD be used for Selected Attacks, and those could be done for Religious, Political, and/or Racial Reasons.



07] Obama is a secret Muslim, who is an American Saboteur, and is aiding and abetting ISIS Jihadist in a campaign to kill off large portions of the America Public, by creating a logical reason for Ebola to be loose in the United States, as cover for clandestine terrorist operatives, who will be selectively infecting target people within the U.S. in order to "Cut the Head and Hands Off" of the American Counter ISIS effort. There will be many cases of naturally spread Ebola, and hidden among them, in the mass death chaos, will be the select assassinations.


Basically this theory says that the introduction of Ebola to the general American Populous is done as "Cover" for select assassinations.

In the midst of the Pandemic, a few more bodies will not be noticed, and when we are burying in mass graves, or incinerating millions of corpses, no one will note that a bunch of them didn't die from Ebola.

And likely, no one will notice that the people dying are largely Conservatives and Whites. At least, not until months after the Pandemic is over.

Under such circumstances, very few of the bodies loaded onto trucks will get their body bags even opened, much less a Coroners Autopsy.

THAT is a believable theory, and approach to a Castro-like Coupe and takeover of America, that completely circumvents the fact that most Americans own Guns and would say "NO!" to Castro's approach of takeover.

I certainly HOPE that is not why Obama is not implementing the Quarantine, but it is reasonable, given the many death threats against Whites over the last few years, to be on guard against it.

I personally think this possibility is low in probability, but it would be simple enough to watch carefully to prevent it from being a useful attack mechanism.

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[Common Sense]

That's a believable theory????

I take back my apology.

In regards to your questions...


"Airline lobbyists vehemently opposed the regulations. It would be too expensive, they said.

“We think that the CDC was right to withdraw the proposed rule,” Air Transport Association spokeswoman Elizabeth Merida told USA Today in March 2010. Merida also called the regulations “unprecedented” in terms of cost and red tape.
Civil liberties advocates also strongly opposed the CDC regulations.
“The fact that they’re backing away from this very coercive style of quarantine is good news,” ACLU legislative counsel Christopher Calabrese said in 2010, according to USA Today.
Other critics suggested that air travel regulations make no difference concerning disease outbreaks.
“They probably learned during H1N1 that this hope of preventing diseases from entering the country by stationing people at airports is unrealistic,” Jennifer Nuzzo of the Center for Biosecurity at the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center told the newspaper."

http://news.yahoo.com/president-ebola-2010-obama-administration-scrapped-cdc-quarantine-041814411.html

[Common Sense]

So Obama and his cadre of anti American secret communist Muslims ISIS members allowed Ebola into the US so they could assassinate conservative whites.

Welcome to the new crazy.

[Kurmugeon]

So Obama and his cadre of anti American secret communist Muslims ISIS members allowed Ebola into the US so they could assassinate conservative whites.

Welcome to the new crazy.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVcfymOvoUo

Crazy is when Samir Shabazz stands on street corners shouting to kill the children of other races.

Crazier still is when all charges are dropped the the A.G. Eric Holder with an explanation that Shabazz is an exempt from prosecution member of "My People"

Sorry, but THAT is the new crazy.

I didn't make it. I don't want it. I'd rather NOT have to doubt President Obama's motives for not implementing the long planned Quarantine.

But, here we are, trying to figure out WHY?

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[Common Sense]

I didn't make it. I don't want it. I'd rather NOT have to doubt President Obama's motives for not implementing the long planned Quarantine.

But, here we are, trying to figure out WHY?

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It wasn't long planned. It went into effect in 2005 due to the avian flu and was only around until 2009.

[Kurmugeon]

It wasn't long planned. It went into effect in 2005 due to the avian flu and was only around until 2009.

There have been plans for travel restrictions and observation isolation camps for those returning from Ebola Hot Zones from as early as 1985, when I participated in military exercises for the airlift support of the camps.

Sorry, you're just wrong.

The particular plan that Obama canceled may have been one of a series of similar plans, but those plans have been around for decades.

The fact is, President Obama and his head of the CDC have taken actions which might result in the deaths of many Americans.

It is reasonable to ask WHY?

If there is one thing we should have learned from the 911 Trade Tower Assaults, it is that if someone tells you over and over again how they hate you, and plan to kill you, you should watch them closely.

Well, Louis Farrakhan, Oprah Winfrey, Jammie Fox, Samir Shabazz, Augustin Cebada, and many others have been telling White Americans that they hate them and want them to die or want to outright kill them.

Now, a few of those individuals, President Obama and the CDC, have taken actions which may lead to the deaths of many Americans.

By the Lessons Learned from 911, they now need to be watched very closely.

We need to be on guard against the Ebola Chaos being used as a pretext and cover for something far worse.

I hope I'm completely wrong about this.

I am not Naive enough to ignore the warning signs.

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[WalterSobchak]

There have been plans for travel restrictions and observation isolation camps for those returning from Ebola Hot Zones from as early as 1985, when I participated in military exercises for the airlift support of the camps.

Sorry, you're just wrong.

The particular plan that Obama canceled may have been one of a series of similar plans, but those plans have been around for decades.

The fact is, President Obama and his head of the CDC have taken actions which might result in the deaths of many Americans.

It is reasonable to ask WHY?

If there is one thing we should have learned from the 911 Trade Tower Assaults, it is that if someone tells you over and over again how they hate you, and plan to kill you, you should watch them closely.

Well, Louis Farrakhan, Oprah Winfrey, Jammie Fox, Samir Shabazz, Augustin Cebada, and many others have been telling White Americans that they hate them and want them to die or want to outright kill them.

Now, a few of those individuals, President Obama and the CDC, have taken actions which may lead to the deaths of many Americans.

By the Lessons Learned from 911, they now need to be watched very closely.

We need to be on guard against the Ebola Chaos being used as a pretext and cover for something far worse.

I hope I'm completely wrong about this.

I am not Naive enough to ignore the warning signs.

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Holy fuck, I sure hope you are comfortable in your Y2k bunker that you made Ebola proof.

[Kurmugeon]

Holy $#@!, I sure hope you are comfortable in your Y2k bunker that you made Ebola proof.

I don't trust people who tell me that my entire race (racial judgement) is guilty, and should die to make the world a better place.

If any White person were to say such about Black people, we wouldn't be debating the possibility that such is wrong, it would be understood, and uncontested.

When any group of people, be it Hamas, or the NBPP starts talking genocide, I loose faith and trust in them. Why is that hard to comprehend?

I think that explanation is low in probability, but high in potential damage, so it need be considered and watched.

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Again, if you don't like any of the theories shown, please provide your take on why we abandoned the quarantine protocols?

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[Mac-7]

LOL...so now Holder and Obama are Black Panthers.


Another Looney Tune...

Obumer and Holder are black.

And just like the rioters in the streets of ferguson they identify themselves by their black skin color and have spent a lifetime being influenced by their race.

[Mac-7]

So Obama and his cadre of anti American secret communist Muslims ISIS members allowed Ebola into the US so they could assassinate conservative whites.

Welcome to the new crazy.

What difference does it make to an American dying from Ebola if they are victims of a grand scheme by Obama or just simple stupidity by the golfer in chief and his flunkies at the CDC and Homeland Security?

Innocent Americans are being put at risk either way.

[Common Sense]

There have been plans for travel restrictions and observation isolation camps for those returning from Ebola Hot Zones from as early as 1985, when I participated in military exercises for the airlift support of the camps.

Sorry, you're just wrong.

The particular plan that Obama canceled may have been one of a series of similar plans, but those plans have been around for decades.

The fact is, President Obama and his head of the CDC have taken actions which might result in the deaths of many Americans.

It is reasonable to ask WHY?

If there is one thing we should have learned from the 911 Trade Tower Assaults, it is that if someone tells you over and over again how they hate you, and plan to kill you, you should watch them closely.

Well, Louis Farrakhan, Oprah Winfrey, Jammie Fox, Samir Shabazz, Augustin Cebada, and many others have been telling White Americans that they hate them and want them to die or want to outright kill them.

Now, a few of those individuals, President Obama and the CDC, have taken actions which may lead to the deaths of many Americans.

By the Lessons Learned from 911, they now need to be watched very closely.

We need to be on guard against the Ebola Chaos being used as a pretext and cover for something far worse.

I hope I'm completely wrong about this.

I am not Naive enough to ignore the warning signs.

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Maybe you should read up on the plan. It was implemented by Bush and simply not renewed by the CDC. I'm sure the military still has quarantine plans in case of a real pandemic. Fortunately there isn't a pandemic. Byt there is a lot of hysteria.

Oprah said she wanted to kill whitey?

[Common Sense]

Obumer and Holder are black.

And just like the rioters in the streets of ferguson they identify themselves by their black skin color and have spent a lifetime being influenced by their race.

Yes, they are black. I'm white...so I'm somehow affiliated with the KKK? What sort of retarded logic is that?

[Common Sense]

I just want to reiterate this theory for those who may have missed it...Kurmugeon here claims...

Obama and his cadre of anti American secret communist Muslims ISIS members allowed Ebola into the US so they could assassinate conservative whites.

That's the working theory....and I'm supposed to take this guy seriously?

[Kurmugeon]

I just want to reiterate this theory for those who may have missed it...Kurmugeon here claims...

Obama and his cadre of anti American secret communist Muslims ISIS members allowed Ebola into the US so they could assassinate conservative whites.

That's the working theory....and I'm supposed to take this guy seriously?


That's not what I said and you know it.

Stop fabricating statements you attribute to me. You're lying.

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[Mac-7]

Yes, they are black. I'm white...so I'm somehow affiliated with the KKK? What sort of retarded logic is that?

If a white person were a member of an organization dedicated to benefit whites only I think that would raise a red flag of suspicion with you.

obama is a former member of the segregated no-whites-allowed Congressional Black Caucus.

that alone raises red flags for me and its only one of many little flags pointing to this guy as a racist.

[Common Sense]

That's not what I said and you know it.

Stop fabricating statements you attribute to me. You're lying.

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Agreed you said it was low in probability...yet you still claimed it was a "believable theory".

[Kurmugeon]

Agreed you said it was low in probability...yet you still claimed it was a "believable theory".

That's a small bit closer to the truth.

But you skipped quite a number of important facts.

1] I've stated that OTHERS, not myself came up with these theories, and I merely collected and reported them, for all to consider.

2] I welcome the opportunity to document other concepts and theories as to why we are abandoning long held travel restrictions to Ebola Hot zones. I've stated that I think some of them are Plausible, but unlikely. Others are clearly silly. I don't believe in divine retribution or demons. Humans are able to wreak enough havoc without supernatural help.

3] I've stated that I do not KNOW! why Obama and CDC changed the quarantine protocol for Ebola. I wish I did.

4] I've stated that I believe that no single theory completely justifies what is going on, but it will likely be a blend of a number of them.

5] I've never stated anything about Communists with Muslim combined, if you know anything about Islam, that's absurd. Islamic Fascists, Certainly! Communism and Islam might aid each others goals, but they are never going to be combined.

6] I've stated that it is possible that Obama's handlers are responsible, and he's just following orders, or is being manipulated. I am fairly sure that the doctor who heads the CDC, and many staff at the CDC are being coerced and/or manipulated.

7] I've stated that Radical Environmentalism may be behind a desire to kill many Americans, and I personally find that a more likely motivation, for mass murder, than Islamic or Communist sympathies. Of all of the wackos I've met, the ones more outspoken about killing Americans to "Save the Earth" have been Radical Greens.

8] I've stated that the situation needs to be watched, because the stage is set, to allow Radicals of a number of persuasions, maybe not even working together, but each just acting alone at opportunity, may use the Ebola Pandemic as an opportunity to kill their enemies without detection or accountability.

9] I've stated that quite a number of prominent Black people, celebs, professors, officials, activists, have stated numerous times that they blame and hate "White-People", and think that they need to die, or be killed. That makes me nervous. Fearing people who state that they hate you and want you dead is SANE and REASONABLE!

When a large number of those same Black people making Hatred-Genocide statements are in positions of authority, and start making decisions which any reasoning person could see leading to mass death, it is time to start watching closely!

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[Kurmugeon]

Here is a good article from Forbes which goes in detail into transfer mechanisms and also what controversial methods might be needed to control Ebola.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottgottlieb/2014/08/12/if-ebola-arrives-in-america-some-controversial-tools-could-be-used-to-stop-it/




If Ebola Arrives In The U.S., Stopping It May Rely On Controversial Toolsiven the scope of the Ebola outbreak unfolding in Western Africa, it seems possible that a case will eventually emerge in the U.S. We could even see an isolated cluster of infections in an American city.
Considering the nature of the Ebola virus, and the medical infrastructure we have to combat its spread, the diagnosis of some cases on American soil shouldn’t be reason to panic. We have a plethora of tools and public health practices to readily combat its spread. Yet because the virus is so dangerous, and feared, its arrival in America would likely to trigger a robust response from our public health establishment.


For most Americans, it may be the first time they glimpse the tools that our government has staked out over the last decade, as preparation for public health emergencies like a pandemic flu, or even bioterrorism. Some of these authorities are wholly necessary. Others will prove controversial and worthy of closer scrutiny.


Chief among them are authority maintained by the Centers for Disease Control to quarantine Americans suspected of....

[Kurmugeon]

This is a new theory I've found, and a number of people in positions of official power, including many of those at the CDC are hinting around the edges at, but not outright stating.

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#40] The U.S. Government is being pressured by other powerful nations, France, Germany, China, England, Spain, Canada,... To Not place travel restrictions on people coming from Western African Ebola Hot Zones, because those countries fear the large, recently increased populations of Western Africans in the U.S. will be wanting to travel to and from their homelands, and if they cannot easily travel directly to relatives in Dallas, they will simply find ways to travel through a series of connecting flights from say Liberia->Algeria->Spain->New York->Dallas, and that they will still make their desired movement, but will expose many more people in many more countries to get there, if we have the travel restrictions blocking the direct flight.

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This theory actually makes some sense, in that it would take tracking the travels of all people across all recent travel, to see a source from a hot zone, and the officials in smaller, non-hot zone African nations, like Algeria, may be easy to bribe for fake the origin of travel into their country, hiding the source of travel from a hot zone.

The total exposure and world wide threat of Pandemic goes down, if we allow direct flights from hot zone countries to airports closest to the cities which host large populations of the people from hot zone countries.

This fits with the information in post # 23

http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/32912-Catalog-of-Rationales-for-Obama-Executive-Not-Using-Ebola-Isolation-Plans/page3



The CDC is closely watching seven cities with large West African Populations:

Los Angeles
Dallas
Minneapolis
Philadelphia
New York
Providence
Washington DC.




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[Mac-7]

The CDC is closely watching seven cities with large West African Populations:


Los Angeles
Dallas
Minneapolis
Philadelphia
New York
Providence
Washington DC.


At the risk of being labeled a xenophobe I have to ask whist good is served for America by having so many west Africans living in our country?

ebola would not have come to Dallas when it did if so many Africans had not moved here first.

[Kurmugeon]

At the risk of being labeled a xenophobe I have to ask whist good is served for America by having so many west Africans living in our country?

ebola would not have come to Dallas when it did if so many Africans had not moved here first.


They did not live here in large numbers until Obama took office and spent billions of tax dollars subsidizing the tourism, air travel, power generation, and other infrastructure in Africa.

Additionally, Obama increased the allowed number of work visas from African countries, and at the same time reduced those from Slavic, Balkan and Western European countries.

Additionally, he relaxed the list of "Designated" countries which were off limits to other than diplomatic travel because of human rights violations, slavery, human trafficking, and/or drug trafficking, to open up travel to many previously off limits countries in Africa.

Additionally, he refused to enforce the immigration laws, and deport law violators, when they came from select countries, mostly in Africa. Obama made sure to always enforce deportation of people caught over staying visas from England, Poland, Canada.... But let people from African countries stay, and often granted them amnesty or asylum.

We have a hugely grown population of people in the U.S. from Hot Zones largely because of actions taken by Obama.

I am not here stating a judgement of whether those actions were right or wrong, but it is a fact that President Obama has taken many deliberate steps to greatly increase the presence of Western African born people living the United States. Obama and the Democratic Party have often bragged about taking these steps.

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[Mac-7]

I am not here stating a judgement of whether those actions were right or wrong, but it is a fact that President Obama has taken many deliberate steps to greatly increase the presence of Western African born people living the United States. Obama and the Democratic Party have often bragged about taking these steps.

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I think the problem started in 1965 with Ted Kennedy and changes to the immigration policy.

Specifically family unification and chain migration.

that has resulted in 10s of millions of needy and unproductive people moving here who are of no benefit to America.

[Kurmugeon]

I think the problem started in 1965 with Ted Kennedy and changes to the immigration policy.

Specifically family unification and chain migration.

that has resulted in 10s of millions of needy and unproductive people moving here who are of no benefit to America.

They seem to have greatly benefited the Democratic Party....

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[Kurmugeon]

Here is a video of Emperor of Africa, Obama making the statement:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Yethq_GFaMg



"My first obligation is to make sure Africans are safe."

-Emporer of Africa, Sometimes President of the United States, Barrack Obama



Unbelievable!

It was clear from the beginning that the guy's loyalties and allegiance are divided, but he is openly stating that he his putting African interest ahead of the United States.

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[Kurmugeon]

This came out in another thread/forum, but it essential to the issue of the OP.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/general-political-discussion/206581-why-no-quarantine-2.html




Why does everyone discussing this subject make the idea of travel restrictions into 100% block or nothing?

It was NEVER the "Plan", before Obama, to block ALL travel to Hot Zones.

It was the plan to stop travel for Tourism, Non-Essential Business, and non-disease related research.

It was the plan to require those returning from Hot Zones to go through thorough monitoring, including a period of remote location isolation.

That is not at all the same thing as blocking all travel to and from a Hot Zone!

Why limit the options, in the discussion, to the two extremes, rather than include what was the decades long held "Plan" before President Obama.

If we had held to the "Plan" then the guy from Dallas, Thomas Duncan, would have had the option to travel to Liberia, and back again, for essential familial reasons, but on his return, for the protection of his family, and many others, he would need to spend several weeks in government provided, free of charge, Isolation.

Given that option, any loving and responsible family member, would have opted to go the official route, to protect their family.

Anyone deliberately evading the requirement is a Terrorist!

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[Kurmugeon]

To what advantage to the US is it necessary to give visas to ANYONE from infected African nations?

If Obama doesnt act, his legacy will be that the was the ebola president.


It is a huge advantage to the United States and its citizens to continue to play a role in assisting those in Western Africa to fight Ebola and develop technology to deal with the disease.

1st world countries have a small set of advantages over African societies due to:

* Better general health and nutrition
* Better hospital care and vital health support in IV fluids, secondary infect anti-biotics, crash carts and vitals monitors
* Better education in germ theory and methods of block contagion ( it seems this is now true only for SOME Americans )
* Better organization of military and police to enforce quarantines when needed
* Better Radio and Telecom to spread word of an outbreak
* Better personal hygiene and fresh water sources
* Cultural practices less likely to spread disease

But we also have areas of our society which leave U.S. MORE vulnerable to Ebola:

* A much more mobile society
* A high population density society ( except for Nigeria )
* A much more Politically Correct Society


This later, are likely to prove far more deadly to 1st world countries, than any advantage by the former.

Our advantages only work if the percentage of our population which is infected stays below a threshold were we can apply things like IV Fluids.


Like I said, Obama wants us to suffer just like the 3rd world.

But we WON'T suffer Ebola as a 3rd world country.

We are a 1st world country, which means we are a much, much more mobile society. We will suffer Ebola like a 1st World Country.

That means if Ebola goes over a threshold of number of simultaneous cases, it will exceed our ability to use advanced medicine to deal with the outbreak, and overload our medical system.

The disease will then leverage off of our higher mobility, and we will suffer as a 1st world nation, a much, much higher level of rate of spread, percentage of infected, and mortality rate.

Ebola is, in the long term, if we are not very careful, a much bigger risk to America or any 1st world country, than it is to a third world country!

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We are not living in Isolation, and never will be able to keep Ebola from our country completely.

Staying involved in the battle against Ebola in Africa, gives U.S. the opportunity to develop : Immunizations, Cures, Treatment Protocols, Study methods of transmission...

We Benefit greatly from staying involved, we just need to do it CAREFULLY!

We are NOT doing it Carefully right now, we are doing Politically Correctly!

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[Refugee]

No nation on earth is going to admit an epedemic, there would be mass panic. Maybe it won't spread as predicted, but the UK expects it to reach its shores in two weeks time. If it does spread and millions die, I would like to see western political leaders on trial for genocide, if they're alive when it's all over.
Quarantine for the indeginous infected population, but freedom of movement for those from the countries infected? You couldn't make this up!

[Mac-7]

For the sake of political correctness and his policy of open borders that leads to mass and uncontrolled migration Obama is rolling the dice on Ebola.

if it turns out that given proper treatment no American will die from Ebola then it will be no worse for US voters than a really bad flu.

expensive for the tax payers but survivable.

because so far all the Americans who caught Ebola lived.

the next few weeks should tell us where we are.

[Kurmugeon]

For the sake of political correctness and his policy of open borders that leads to mass and uncontrolled migration Obama is rolling the dice on Ebola.

if it turns out that given proper treatment no American will die from Ebola then it will be no worse for US voters than a really bad flu.

expensive for the tax payers but survivable.

because so far all the Americans who caught Ebola lived.

the next few weeks should tell us where we are.

It depends on the simultaneous cases threshold.

If we are too open in travel from hot zones, which now includes Dallas, we will end up crossing a threshold where the next wave, after the contraction to incubation to critical symptoms delay, will completely overwhelm our medical system...

Once our sick are no longer getting the best of medical treatments, and many of those doing the care, are poorly trained and equipped, both the mortality rates, and the infection spread rates will go up dramatically.

There is another aspect of Ebola that many are choosing to ignore.

Even IF you survive, you will likely suffer long term debilitating effects for the rest of you life, which will be shortened considerably.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/surviving-ebola-for-those-who-live-through-it-what-lies-ahead/



...
Medical experts say most people who manage to recover from an acute Ebola infection will likely be able to return to their life and resume normal activities. But unfortunately, Ebola survivors do often develop certain chronic inflammatory conditions that affect the joints and eyes, problems that can follow a survivor through the remainder of their life. Dr. Amar Safdar, associate professor of infectious diseases and immunology at NYU Langone Medical Center, told CBS News these chronic conditions are a result of the body's immune response.
...



We could easily end up as a country with half of our population cripples.

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[Kurmugeon]

Here is an article talking about how many Ebola Survivors are still very sick seven years later.

Ebola survivors still sick after seven years (http://www.newvision.co.ug/D/9/183/602136)

[Codename Section]

Interesting that we get Ebola now.

http://vigilantcitizen.productionshardl.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/georgia-guidestones-2014-block-e1411483403342.jpg


The Georgia Guidestones got a mysterious update this year.

[Mac-7]

Here is an article talking about how many Ebola Survivors are still very sick seven years later.

Ebola survivors still sick after seven years (http://www.newvision.co.ug/D/9/183/602136)

The news just keeps getting worse.

[Kurmugeon]

The news just keeps getting worse.

Look on the bright, the survivor's hatred of the Left and the Democratic Party will also go on and on and on....

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[Mister D]

Look on the bright, the survivor's hatred of the Left and the Democratic Party will also go on and on and on....

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The traditional left is pretty much dead. Sorry, IMPress Polly It's true. The ruling elite has more or less agreed upon a relatively free market with a welfare state. It's a detente if you will.

[Kurmugeon]

The traditional left is pretty much dead. Sorry, @IMPress Polly (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=399) It's true. The ruling elite has more or less agreed upon a relatively free market with a welfare state. It's a detente if you will.

I have a feeling that the Left will remind U.S. again of how the Dead Walk again, particularly on election day.

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[Mac-7]

The traditional left is pretty much dead. Sorry, @IMPress Polly (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=399) It's true. The ruling elite has more or less agreed upon a relatively free market with a welfare state. It's a detente if you will.

The traditional socialist left where government owns and operates the assets is dead.

Progressives proved after WWII that they are incapable of managing production.

So economically most libs are fascists today where individuals own the factories and government merely absconds with the profits through taxation.

[Kurmugeon]

The Second Nurse infected by treating Duncan is not in a Hospital in Atlanta.

Evidently, she did not want to be treated at the hospital she worked at in Dallas, so she hoped aboard a plane..... exposing many others.

http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/national-international/Second-Dallas-Health-Care-Worker-Positive-for-Ebola-State-Health-Department-279249232.html

[Peter1469]

She had a fever prior to boarding the plane; just lower than the Government mandated number for no fly..... :shocked:

[Mac-7]

She had a fever prior to boarding the plane; just lower than the Government mandated number for no fly..... :shocked:

Yet just hours after getting off the plane she's in isolation and confirmed to have Ebola.

[Peter1469]

Yet just hours after getting off the plane she's in isolation and confirmed to have Ebola.
Yes.

[Mac-7]

Yes.

This is rank incompetence by the CDC.

[Kurmugeon]

She had a fever prior to boarding the plane; just lower than the Government mandated number for no fly..... :shocked:


Anyone who has enough intelligence to get a Nursing Certificate is intelligent enough to KNOW that they should not have flown, regardless of what the Government Pinhead says.

This person was reckless and irresponsible.

Anyone who is not afraid of Ebola is either ignorant or suicidal.

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Ebola Fast Facts - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/11/health/ebola-fast-facts/)



2014 Outbreak:
(Full historical timeline at bottom)
Cases listed below include confirmed, probable or suspected cases of Ebola as of October 8, 2014 (World Health Organization and CDC):

Guinea - 1350 cases, 778 deaths

Liberia - 4076 cases, 2316 deaths

Nigeria - 20 cases, 8 deaths

Senegal - 1 case, 0 deaths (infection originated in Guinea)

Sierra Leone - 2950 cases, 930 deaths

Spain - 1 case, 0 deaths

United States - 1 case, 1 death (infection originated in Liberia)


Ebola Mortality Rate: WHO | Ebola virus disease (http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs103/en/)



The average EVD case fatality rate is around 50%. Case fatality rates have varied from 25% to 90% in past outbreaks.




If you're not afraid of Ebola, you're a damn fool!
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[Mac-7]

If you're not afraid of Ebola, you're a damn fool!
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Obama is not afraid of Ebola.

[nic34]

The traditional socialist left where government owns and operates the assets is dead.

Progressives proved after WWII that they are incapable of managing production.

So economically most libs are fascists today where individuals own the factories and government merely absconds with the profits through taxation.

Yes, because we all know that the most important things are endless production and consumption.....

[Mac-7]

Yes, because we all know that the most important things are endless production and consumption.....

Sure thing.

The socialist way of little production is much better in places like Africa where people don't have a pot to piss in and are dying like flies from Ebola.

[Kurmugeon]

Obama is not afraid of Ebola.

He cannot be ignorant of the hazard.

He has shown himself to be intelligent in covering his own lies and manipulations, so it is NOT ineptitude.

So, what does Obama know, that we are not being told?

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[Mac-7]

He cannot be ignorant of the hazard.

He has shown himself to be intelligent in covering his own lies and manipulations, so it is NOT ineptitude.

So, what does Obama know, that we are not being told?

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No, I think obama is that stupid.

libs hate America but they still think this country cannot ever suffer the same problems as places like Africa.

libs really believe they can ignore Ebola for political reasons like maintaining open borders and then when the time is right just snap their fingers and make the problem go away.

[Kurmugeon]

No, I think obama is that stupid.

libs hate America but they still think this country cannot ever suffer the same problems as places like Africa.

libs really believe they can ignore Ebola for political reasons like maintaining open borders and then when the time is right just snap their fingers and make the problem go away.

Nobody who is able to care for themselves, and not be a mentally handicapped ward of the state, is that stupid.

A large group of people, particularly those with college degrees, all being that stupid, is not a credible or believable explanation.

Something else is going on.

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[Mac-7]

Nobody who is able to care for themselves, and not be a mentally handicapped ward of the state, is that stupid.

A large group of people, particularly those with college degrees, all being that stupid, is not a credible or believable explanation.

Something else is going on.

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People like Obama and his appointed flunkies in government can be highly intelligent and incredibly stupid at the same time.

obama is approaching the Ebola problem the way he approaches everything - as a political issue to be milked.

[Kurmugeon]

People like Obama and his appointed flunkies in government can be highly intelligent and incredibly stupid at the same time.

obama is approaching the Ebola problem the way he approaches everything - as a political issue to be milked.


For this explanation to make sense, because the potential political downside of Obama's Ebola Actions, is so severe, there must be some tremendously beneficial political outcome to be gained...

Well, what is the political upside?

What is to be gained, worth the political risk?

What could be Politically "Milked" from his actions?

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[Common Sense]

Hysteria seems to have outpaced Ebola...at least in some segments of America.

[Mac-7]

Well, what is the political upside?

What is to be gained, worth the political risk?

What could be Politically "Milked" from his actions?

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I think Obama believes the disease can be contained.

if he's right the Africans will cheer him and the open borders hispanic wackos will applaud.

But if Ebola does become widespread in America he and the lib news media will blame it on the repubs.

[Peter1469]

They will blame it on Bush.
I think Obama believes the disease can be contained.

if he's right the Africans will cheer him and the open borders hispanic wackos will applaud.

But if Ebola does become widespread in America he and the lib news media will blame it on the repubs.

[Kurmugeon]

They will blame it on Bush.

Under what possible Premise?

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[Mac-7]

Under what possible Premise?

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The lib news media does not have to convince you and won't even try.

obama voters in academia and the hood will lap it up like mothers milk.

[Kurmugeon]

The lib news media does not have to convince you and won't even try.

obama voters in academia and the hood will lap it up like mothers milk.

So now we're back to National Suicide?

This is from another forum, where the discussion was on whether "Suicide is NOT courageous":



To the OP,

I read and understand your position with respect to assisted suicide. It is a common Conservative and Christian Religious position.

For the moment, I do not wish to express my own views on the subject, but rather ask a related question.

Nations have lives. They are born, mature, age, and eventually die.

When a Nation reaches the point of aging and terminal disease, though processes such as Devalued Currency, National Debt, Internal Cultural and Racial Division, Corruption of Political and official office and power...

Can a Nation commit Suicide? When the Political structures and Organizations within that Nation, stop all attempts to actually heal the Nation, but rather act to accelerate its demise, is that National Suicide?

When a Nation is terminal, and neighboring Nations assist in the demise of that Nation, is that a form of Assisted Suicide?

In the modern age, with all corners of the globe explored and claimed, we cannot have the birth of new Nations without the demise of old ones. Unless we get into colonizing space or other planets.

Given your position on individual Human Suicide, how do you feel about National Suicide?





The more I watch the Obama Administration, and its supporters in action, the more I think they are simply trying to destroy America.

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[Peter1469]

Under what possible Premise?

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The same as every other time. Absolutely none.

[Mac-7]

So now we're back to National Suicide?

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I wish Obama voters were more than just mindless zombies for the lazy golfer in chief.

but unfortunately they are what they are.

[Kurmugeon]

We need to really think through just how many and who should be given access to Ebola:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKanXRERgoY

[Kurmugeon]

Really?

I can think of quite a number of people who should NOT be allowed to travel to any place with Ebola:

* A Radical Islamic Imam from a U.S. Mosque who has repeatedly made sermons calling for the death of all non-Muslims, and has sent funds to HAMAS and other terrorist groups, and is on the FBI/DHS terrorist watch list.

* A Radical Animal Rights and Green Movement Activist who has been convicted of terrorist acts and vandalism on several occasions, and has written a book in which he advocating killing all of Western Society and 99% of humanity to return the earth to an idyllic past when humans were not the top species on the planet. This person was also on the FBI/DHS terrorist watch list, until Obama took office, and for reasons not stated, the White House specifically asked him to be removed.

* A Radical Satanist Worshiper who has been a suspect in a number of poisonings, but sufficient evidence was not found to get a grand jury indictment. The person has been quoted by several eye witness since the dropping of charges, that Satan gives him supernatural power to avenge his "Lord" on earth.

These are just a few examples of the type of people the American Government should not allow to travel to any Ebola Hot Zone.

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No sane person would give contact frequencies and nuclear launch codes to Timothy McVeigh and then turn him loose without surveillance.

Letting the above kind of person travel to an Ebola Hot Zone is no different.

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[Kurmugeon]

#28] Obama is dedicated to Redistribution. Obama doesn't just want to redistribute wealth he also wants to redistribute misery.

[Mac-7]

#28] Obama is dedicated to Redistribution. Obama doesn't just want to redistribute wealth he also wants to redistribute misery.


I agree with that.

many liberals grow up thinking America does not deserve its wealth because in their opinion we exploited native people to get what we have.

obama is one of those libs.

if his policies hurt America too bad.

in his fevered brain we deserve it.

[Peter1469]

#28] Obama is dedicated to Redistribution. Obama doesn't just want to redistribute wealth he also wants to redistribute misery.

Standard liberal policy. Lowest common denominator.

[donttread]

Ebola is loose in Dallas, and possibly in several other U.S. Cites, yet we still haven't restricted flight INTO the Hot Zones in Africa, or begun placing returning people through a 6 week isolation - observation period in a remote location.

http://healthmap.org/ebola/#timeline

Statistics as of Oct 6, 2014:
Guinea: 1199 cases, 740 dead, Population 11.8M
Sierra Leone: 2437 cases, 623 dead, Population 6.1M
Senegal: 1 cases, 0 dead, Population 14.1 M
Liberia: 3834 cases, 2069 dead, Population 4.3M
Nigeria: 20 cases, 43 dead, Population 173.3M
DR Congo: 70 cases, 43 dead, Population 67.5M
United States: 1 Case, 0 dead, Population 316.1M

The "Plan" for dealing with the next Ebola major African Outbreak has been around and worked out for at least 30 years, and probably longer. The Military began doing exercises in how to airlift supply remote location isolation-observation portable camps as early as 1985, I know, I participated in them.

The concept was to greatly limit the number of people allowed to fly into the Hot Zones, to just those who were essential aid-worker, Doctor, Researcher, or Security personnel. When rotation time came around, and these people needed to be pulled back to the U.S. they would be sent to a remote patch of Alaskan Tundra, or Nevada Desert, to live in a series of spaced out camps along an Airlift supply runway, with fuel, electricity, sewer, water, shelters, clean cloths, medical supplies, and food all brought in and dropped in exchange zones, and pulled by cables and aircraft tugs across a buffer zone, to be unpacked and used by each camp.

The Camps would be phased, a new one starting each week, and after six weeks, those found clean, would be flown out to rejoin society. After several weeks fallow, an emptied camp would be thoroughly cleaned, and returned to service for a new weekly group.

That was "The PLAN".

We didn't do it!

WHY!?

Who has the Authority and Decides these things?

Clearly this is an issue controlled by the Executive Branch, the President, and his appointed representative, the head of the CDC.

The current head of the CDC is Dr. Thomas R. Frieden (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/f/thomas_r_frieden/index.html?inline=nyt-per), the New York City health commissioner, appointed by President Obama in
May, 2009:

http://www.cdc.gov/about/leadership/director.htm

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/15/health/policy/15cdc.html?_r=0

Like the Attorney General, the Head of the FCC, the Head of the FAA, the Head of the EPA, the Head of the FBI, and many other Cabinet Members, ....

Dr. Frieden serves at the request and forbearance of the President, but with the advice and consent of Congress.

Dr. Frieden has the authority and responsibility to set communicable disease isolation-quarantine protocols.

If the country and/or the President is unhappy with the actions of a cabinet member, it the duty of the President to request the resignation, and select a replacement.

The Buck Stops with the President Obama on this issue. Ultimately, President Obama is response for the advice and actions taken by his cabinet members and his Administration.

So this Thread is designed to be a list or catalog of the various theories and/or Rationales for why America, the CDC, and the Obama Administration did NOT follow through with the planned response.

So, the following pages will outline a series of possible rationales behind our abandoning the long held response plans to a new, major, Africa Ebola outbreak.

Some of these rationales will be weak, vague, and incomplete.

Some of these rationales will be offensive Conspiracy Theories, in the minds of some, but not all.

Some of these rationales will be the opinions of some segments of the scientific community as to the danger presented by the outbreak, and our ability to control the hazard, but many on this forum will not agree with the assessment of control envisioned.

All the theories I could find, will be presented in a very brief sketch, and the readers/posters are encouraged to discuss them, and add new items to the growing list of rationales.

The rationales are not presented in any kind of logical order or hierarchy of believability. The order was somewhat determined by google searches return results of theories explaining the President's actions.

The Question for Debate of the Thread:

What do you believe is the Rationale being used by President Obama and his closest cabinet level advisers on the issue of Ebola, for abandoning the long held plans for Travel Restrictions and Returning Personnel Isolation?

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First if all that Nigerian strain must have been really potent!
Secondly , in 1985 were we trying to control a genie we had let out of the box with an ill fated biological weapon plan. As if any biological weapon plan could be anything but ill-fated.
Lastly, if we stop the fear too soon it will not properly distract the sheep and fearful sheep make good subjects

[Mac-7]

Secondly , in 1985 were we trying to control a genie we had let out of the box with an ill fated biological weapon plan. As if any biological weapon plan could be anything but ill-fated.


Are you claiming the US created Ebola?

[donttread]

Are you claiming the US created Ebola?

Not created, weaponized

[Mac-7]

Not created, weaponized

Where did you get that idea from?

[Mister D]

Where did you get that idea from?

This guy once accused me of being in the pocket of the sodium lobby for trying to explain to him that salt isn't bad for you. He did the same thing when I when I told him potatoes aren't bad for you either. I'm a shill for Big Salt and Big Potato.

[Common Sense]

This guy once accused me of being in the pocket of the sodium lobby for trying to explain to him that salt isn't bad for you. He did the same thing when I when I told him potatoes aren't bad for you either. I'm a shill for Big Salt and Big Potato.

Everyone knows big salt and big potato are in cahoots...all part of the Fries Cartel.

[Mac-7]

This guy once accused me of being in the pocket of the sodium lobby for trying to explain to him that salt isn't bad for you. He did the same thing when I when I told him potatoes aren't bad for you either. I'm a shill for Big Salt and Big Potato.

i hope they are not just making stuff up out of thin air.

but in this case that is the logical conclusion.

[Mac-7]

Btw: for all the Obama robots who think he's doing a good job on the Ebola outbreak a hospital worker that was exposed to Ebola is currently on a cruise ship with 3,500 other people.

[Common Sense]

Btw: for all the Obama robots who think he's doing a good job on the Ebola outbreak a hospital worker that was exposed to Ebola is currently on a cruise ship with 3,500 other people.

You mean "potentially exposed" and "in quarantine on a cruise ship".

[Mac-7]

You mean "potentially exposed" and "in quarantine on a cruise ship".

Yes, the same way the nurse who flew to Cleveland was only potentially exposed.

yet now the government is frantically tracking down everyone on that airplane after she flew on it.

several schools in Dallas and Cleveland have been closed along with a bridal dress shop in Cleveland.

The idiot golfer in chief is doing a wonderful job.

[decedent]

00]
07] Obama is a secret Muslim, who is an American Saboteur, and is aiding and abetting ISIS Jihadist in a campaign to kill off large portions of the America Public, by creating a logical reason for Ebola to be loose in the United States, as cover for clandestine terrorist operatives, who will be selectively infecting target people within the U.S. in order to "Cut the Head and Hands Off" of the American Counter ISIS effort. There will be many cases of naturally spread Ebola, and hidden among them, in the mass death chaos, will be the select assassinations


Makes sense. That commie Nigerian in the White House hates America. He wants white people to get the disease too.

[Mac-7]

Makes sense. That commie Nigerian in the White House hates America. He wants white people to get the disease too.

The Nigerians what to make it clear that obumer is half kenyan not Nigerian.

[decedent]

The Nigerians what to make it clear that obumer is half kenyan not Nigerian.

I don't see a difference. Obama is African and that's why he's called "African American".

[Cigar]

(1) Death ...

.... and The Texas Hospital has already admitted "they" made mistakes :rollseyes:

http://www.infonetworkmarketing.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/ignoranza-paure.jpg (http://www.infonetworkmarketing.org/network-marketing/ingannare-nel-network-marketing/)

[Cigar]

The Nigerians what to make it clear that obumer is half kenyan not Nigerian.

:geez: OG .. please don't try to represent yourself as American Intelligence

[momsapplepie]

Yes, the same way the nurse who flew to Cleveland was only potentially exposed.

yet now the government is frantically tracking down everyone on that airplane after she flew on it.

several schools in Dallas and Cleveland have been closed along with a bridal dress shop in Cleveland.

The idiot golfer in chief is doing a wonderful job.

You mean two flights, She had developed symptoms far earlier. Not to mention one of the planes went on to fly without decontamination another 5 fights with an estimated 900 passengers. Not to mention the flight attendants, cleaning crews, baggage handlers, etc etc

[Mac-7]

You mean two flights, She had developed symptoms far earlier. Not to mention one of the planes went on to fly without decontamination another 5 fights with an estimated 900 passengers. Not to mention the flight attendants, cleaning crews, baggage handlers, etc etc

Yes, this epidemic prevention half kenyan style.

[Blackrook]

Obama thinks it's unfair that only black people are dying of Ebola so he wants to make sure white people get infected too.

[Common Sense]

Obama thinks it's unfair that only black people are dying of Ebola so he wants to make sure white people get infected too.

What's scarier than Ebola is that you actually believe this...

[Kurmugeon]

What's scarier than Ebola is that you actually believe this...

I find it far more disturbing that there are allot of Progressives who have convinced themselves that Ebola represents a small threat.

[Kurmugeon]

#29] The Entire Ebola Threat is make believe for Politics, for Conservatives, this is ALL about politics and the November election. they don't care at all about the health and welfare of the American people. they never have and never will.

[Mac-7]

he's hoping to wipe out all the white people

Which is the logical thing for a black person like Obama who hates whites to do.

[Kurmugeon]

http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/a4/a44229bee3764fadf67b82cf60e150c73b5c960d16a8ca5f5a 22382b20d30748.jpg

Another Leftie who is supremely confident that they are immune to Ebola..... Why?

[Mac-7]

Another Leftie who is supremely confident that they are immune to Ebola..... Why?

libs know that no one is immune.

but the liberal hate for America is so strong that they simply don't care how many Americans might die for the sake of their open borders policy.

[Kurmugeon]

libs know that no one is immune.

but the liberal hate for America is so strong that they simply don't care how many Americans might die for the sake of their open borders policy.



Yes, and winning is the ONLY thing that counts for them. Killing a few people, or even allot of people, who are in their way, would not matter.

A vaccine for Ebola exists, and has existed from the better part of the Obama Administration. For some odd reason, it was never complete ( we are told ) and deployed, even to Africa.

It could be that they view Ebola only though a Political lens....

Or, they might actually all be truly immune to the disease...

Where their political opponents are NOT!


Look again, Carefully, at WHO is supremely confident that Ebola is not a threat, and scoffs at, ridicules, and belittles anyone who takes it as a serious threat.

What is the Lean of those who dismiss Ebola as a threat?

Who is NOT casually dismissing Ebola?

Why is it, only people of a Far Left Political Lean are so confident?

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[lynn]

By allowing people that maybe infected with Ebola into this country allows an avenue for the CDC to have a test group of people on record for the debut of a vaccine that may or may not be already in the works.

[Common Sense]

Yes, and winning is the ONLY thing that counts for them. Killing a few people, or even allot of people, who are in their way, would not matter.

A vaccine for Ebola exists, and has existed from the better part of the Obama Administration. For some odd reason, it was never complete ( we are told ) and deployed, even to Africa.

It could be that they view Ebola only though a Political lens....

Or, they might actually all be truly immune to the disease...

Where their political opponents are NOT!


Look again, Carefully, at WHO is supremely confident that Ebola is not a threat, and scoffs at, ridicules, and belittles anyone who takes it as a serious threat.

What is the Lean of those who dismiss Ebola as a threat?

Who is NOT casually dismissing Ebola?

Why is it, only people of a Far Left Political Lean are so confident?

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LOL...you didn't get your immunization at the meeting?

[Kurmugeon]

LOL...you didn't get your immunization at the meeting?

Those who are acting like Ebola is no threat just might have...

I would not put anything beyond the Radical Left.

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[Common Sense]

Those who are acting like Ebola is no threat just might have...

I would not put anything beyond the Radical Left.

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It's all a big conspiracy to get you conservative types. It was cheaper than FEMA camps.

[Kurmugeon]

It's all a big conspiracy to get you conservative types. It was cheaper than FEMA camps.

It is possible.

If you look at other forums, the ONLY people who are scoffing at, condescending about, and casually dismissing the threat of Ebola are the far Lefties.

There has been an Immunization (supposedly not human tested or manufactured yet) since 2011, which just so happens to be the year that Obama changed the Ebola travel quarantine procedure.

So, quietly make 100 Million doses, give them to "My People", then work overtime to bring Ebola to America.

Revolution and Transformation of America, and it doesn't matter if the common man has a gun, he's dead.

Pretty clever actually.


I don't KNOW that it is going on, but it is not beyond possibility.

I don't think anything is beyond the morals of the Radical Lefties.

Time will tell, if a select group of people, allied politically, seem to be magically immune to the Pandemic killing everyone else.

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[Common Sense]

It is possible.

If you look at other forums, the ONLY people who are scoffing at, condescending about, and casually dismissing the threat of Ebola are the far Lefties.

There has been an Immunization (supposedly not human tested or manufactured yet) since 2011, which just so happens to be the year that Obama changed the Ebola travel quarantine procedure.

So, quietly make 100 Million doses, give them to "My People", then work overtime to bring Ebola to America.

Revolution and Transformation of America, and it doesn't matter if the common man has a gun, he's dead.

Pretty clever actually.


I don't KNOW that it is going on, but it is not beyond possibility.

I don't think anything is beyond the morals of the Radical Lefties.

Time will tell, if a select group of people, allied politically, seem to be magically immune to the Pandemic killing everyone else.

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They do say that one thing that separates left leaning people from right leaning people is how they handle ambiguity. Right wing people tend to see things in absolutes while the left tend to see things as grey.

Maybe the left see this as the threat that it is, a manageable one.

Your theory is ridiculous.

[decedent]

Another Leftie who is supremely confident that they are immune to Ebola..... Why?

Ebola is like AIDS. Anyone can get it. I don't need to be a fancy doctor to know that.

[Common Sense]

Ebola is like AIDS. Anyone can get it. I don't need to be a fancy doctor to know that.

You can catch both off the internet. A fancy doctor told me.

[Kurmugeon]

Ebola is like AIDS. Anyone can get it. I don't need to be a fancy doctor to know that.


Do you TRUST posters and people who sneer and jeer at the threat of Ebola, and use Condescending remarks, Ad-Hominem attacks and casual dismissal to those who are concerned about the threat of Ebola?

Someone who sneers at the idea that Ebola is dangerous, if nothing else, will not be on guard and careful about contracting the illness, which makes them more likely to be carrying it.

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[decedent]

Do you TRUST posters and people who sneer and jeer at the threat of Ebola, and use Condescending remarks, Ad-Hominem attacks and casual dismissal to those who are concerned about the threat of Ebola?

No. They're ignorant and know nothing about epididymology. Now I have to boil my water all because of politically correct libs who are too afraid of turning off direct flights to Africa.



Someone who sneers at the idea that Ebola is dangerous, if nothing else, will not be on guard and careful about contracting the illness, which makes them more likely to be carrying it.

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They're the ones who are going to end up sick. This is the Armageddon that John foretold. America will end up looking like a zombie apocalypse because of the do gooder libz wanting to help the sick. If I see an Ebola bot come my way, I just need a shotgun.

[Common Sense]

Do you TRUST posters and people who sneer and jeer at the threat of Ebola, and use Condescending remarks, Ad-Hominem attacks and casual dismissal to those who are concerned about the threat of Ebola?

Someone who sneers at the idea that Ebola is dangerous, if nothing else, will not be on guard and careful about contracting the illness, which makes them more likely to be carrying it.

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They're not sneering at Ebola...they're sneering at hysteria and insanity.

[Common Sense]

No. They're ignorant and know nothing about epididymology. Now I have to boil my water all because of politically correct libs who are too afraid of turning off direct flights to Africa.



They're the ones who are going to end up sick. This is the Armageddon that John foretold. America will end up looking like a zombie apocalypse because of the do gooder libz wanting to help the sick. If I see an Ebola bot come my way, I just need a shotgun.

I had my suspicions...but now I'm sure.

[Kurmugeon]

They're not sneering at Ebola...they're sneering at hysteria and insanity.

Funny, from where I'm standing, as a person educated and practiced in NBC quarantine techniques, and later helping to write software to project epidemics...

It is hard to tell why some are sneering and jeering.

But they are, for some reason.

If I saw a Dog, trying to cross a road, get clipped by a car, and run bleeding down the street yelping in pain, and some scum watching doubled over laughing and pointing at the dog, I'd not trust that person very much.

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[Common Sense]

Funny, from where I'm standing, as a person educated and practiced in NBC quarantine techniques, and later helping to write software to project epidemics...

It is hard to tell why some are sneering and jeering.

But they are, for some reason.

If I saw a Dog, trying to cross a road, get clipped by a car, and run bleeding down the street yelping in pain, and some scum watching doubled over laughing and pointing at the dog, I'd not trust that person very much.

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I'm not laughing at any victims and I resent the insinuation.

You certainly don't sound like someone who is educated in quarantine techniques. You sound like a conspiracy theorist.

That's why people mock you. You sound crazy and delusional. It's often hard for the delusional to tell why people are sneering and jeering.

[Bob]

First and foremost ... The Obama Administration has no Cabinet Executive to lead this ... you can thank the NRA is you ever get Ebola.

That why I laugh at all the Micro Biology Medical Experts I see on TV blaming a Politician for a Medical Outbreak.

Really ... :rollseyes:

What is the job of Rear Admiral (RADM) Boris D. Lushniak, M.D., M.P.H. ????http://www.surgeongeneral.gov/about/biographies/biosg.html

[Bob]

http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Kurmugeon http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://thepoliticalforums.com/showthread.php?p=809910#post809910)
Funny, from where I'm standing, as a person educated and practiced in NBC quarantine techniques, and later helping to write software to project epidemics...

It is hard to tell why some are sneering and jeering.

But they are, for some reason.

If I saw a Dog, trying to cross a road, get clipped by a car, and run bleeding down the street yelping in pain, and some scum watching doubled over laughing and pointing at the dog, I'd not trust that person very much.


I'm not laughing at any victims and I resent the insinuation.

You certainly don't sound like someone who is educated in quarantine techniques. You sound like a conspiracy theorist.

That's why people mock you. You sound crazy and delusional. It's often hard for the delusional to tell why people are sneering and jeering.

All you resent is any hint that the Obama team is flat out not competent. It upsets you to read things that do not entirely back up Obama.

I see no reason to insult a person that has posted very informative information and poses important questions.

Stop being so in favor of Obama. Democrats all over America are fleeing from him.

[Common Sense]

All you resent is any hint that the Obama team is flat out not competent. It upsets you to read things that do not entirely back up Obama.

I see no reason to insult a person that has posted very informative information and poses important questions.

Stop being so in favor of Obama. Democrats all over America are fleeing from him.

I don't think the Obama admin has handled this very well, have you seen me state otherwise? I'm just not reacting like a lunatic.

I'm talking to someone who thinks that it's possible the Obama admin has a cure for Ebola and has introduced the disease purposefully in order to kill conservatives. Yeah, real "informative information".

[Kurmugeon]

I'm not laughing at any victims and I resent the insinuation.

You certainly don't sound like someone who is educated in quarantine techniques. You sound like a conspiracy theorist.

That's why people mock you. You sound crazy and delusional. It's often hard for the delusional to tell why people are sneering and jeering.

My training in Nuclear-Biological-Chemical Warfare techniques and how to quarantine people exposed to a deadly pandemic comes from the U.S. Military in the early 1980s, when the Soviet Union, which was still an empire, was actively building and stockpiling live virus modified small pox artillery shells.

Soviet War Doctrine, shown in documents released after the disbanding of the Soviet Union, was far more heavily targeted toward using bio-weapons than even the most worried of U.S. Military War Planners had realized.

I was trained to evaluate and respond to threats of Germ Warfare.

America is currently at WAR with an extremely violent group of extremists who behead people, including children and stone women to death daily.

In my educated opinion, anyone who thinks that Ebola is NOT a threat, which has to be mitigated in very careful planning and action, is the person who is Delusional!

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[Common Sense]

My training in Nuclear-Biological-Chemical Warfare techniques and how to quarantine people exposed to a deadly pandemic comes from the U.S. Military in the early 1980s, when the Soviet Union, which was still an empire, was actively building and stockpiling live virus modified small pox artillery shells.

Soviet War Doctrine, shown in documents released after the disbanding of the Soviet Union, was far more heavily targeted toward using bio-weapons than even the most worried of U.S. Military War Planners had realized.

I was trained to evaluate and respond to threats of Germ Warfare.

America is currently at WAR with an extremely violent group of extremists who behead people and stone women to death daily.

In my educated opinion, anyone who thinks that Ebola is NOT a threat, which has to be mitigated in very careful planning and action, is the person who is Delusional!

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Except that ISIS and Ebola have nothing to do with one an other.

Of course Ebola is a threat, but it's not the one you make it out to be. My point is that the hysteria you promote is actually far more damaging than Ebola.

[Bob]

They're not sneering at Ebola...they're sneering at hysteria and insanity.

You tell them. Ebola is not deadly and there is absolutely no danger any citizen in America will ever get it.

Oh wait, sorry, it has already happened. Ebola has killed some in America.

But no need to worry.

[Bob]

Except that ISIS and Ebola have nothing to do with one an other.

Of course Ebola is a threat, but it's not the one you make it out to be. My point is that the hysteria you promote is actually far more damaging than Ebola.

Only in your mind does he promote hysteria. I am pleased to study trained people who caution us on this virus.

[Common Sense]

You tell them. Ebola is not deadly and there is absolutely no danger any citizen in America will ever get it.

Oh wait, sorry, it has already happened. Ebola has killed some in America.

But no need to worry.

Did I say that Bob?

One American has died. More people are killed by their washing machines.

[Common Sense]

Only in your mind does he promote hysteria. I am pleased to study trained people who caution us on this virus.

Does he caution you when he claims it may be a conspiracy to kill conservatives by the Obama admin? Does he caution you when he says it may kill millions of Americans?

[Kurmugeon]

Except that ISIS and Ebola have nothing to do with one an other.

Of course Ebola is a threat, but it's not the one you make it out to be. My point is that the hysteria you promote is actually far more damaging than Ebola.

How can you possibly KNOW that Ebola and ISIS have no connection?

Even IF they don't now, they could tomorrow, particularly if they see, by our actions, an opportunity!

I fight WARS to win. I protect my country, and my fellow citizens.

I think that bad people, who go around beheading children, are likely to do other bad things...

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[Bob]

I don't think the Obama admin has handled this very well, have you seen me state otherwise? I'm just not reacting like a lunatic.

I'm talking to someone who thinks that it's possible the Obama admin has a cure for Ebola and has introduced the disease purposefully in order to kill conservatives. Yeah, real "informative information".

You must think he works for Obama since I just watched one of the Obama doctors hold up the Nurse that is now declared free of Ebola as if it is the work of the Obama team that took care of her problem.

I don't read Kurmudgeon the way you appear to read the poster.

[Common Sense]

You must think he works for Obama since I just watched one of the Obama doctors hold up the Nurse that is now declared free of Ebola as if it is the work of the Obama team that took care of her problem.

I don't read Kurmudgeon the way you appear to read the poster.

So you don't read the actual words he writes. Well that explains it.

WTF is an Obama doctor?

[Bob]

Did I say that Bob?

One American has died. More people are killed by their washing machines.

You went wild when Kurmudgeon posted. Don't let this forum stuff get to you.

[Bob]

So you don't read the actual words he writes. Well that explains it.

WTF is an Obama doctor?

I have not read all of his commentary yet.

The doctor who gave his interview represents the Obama team.

[Common Sense]

You went wild when Kurmudgeon posted. Don't let this forum stuff get to you.

That's your interpretation. It's a just a forum. I never take it seriously. The only think that will get me worked up is the animal cruelty shit.

I responded to his posts because I thought they were some of the more humorously ridiculous things I've read in a while.

[Bob]

Common Sense

What is your problem with this ... quote from Kurmudgeon?

The "Plan" for dealing with the next Ebola major African Outbreak has been around and worked out for at least 30 years, and probably longer. The Military began doing exercises in how to airlift supply remote location isolation-observation portable camps as early as 1985, I know, I participated in them.

The concept was to greatly limit the number of people allowed to fly into the Hot Zones, to just those who were essential aid-worker, Doctor, Researcher, or Security personnel. When rotation time came around, and these people needed to be pulled back to the U.S. they would be sent to a remote patch of Alaskan Tundra, or Nevada Desert, to live in a series of spaced out camps along an Airlift supply runway, with fuel, electricity, sewer, water, shelters, clean cloths, medical supplies, and food all brought in and dropped in exchange zones, and pulled by cables and aircraft tugs across a buffer zone, to be unpacked and used by each camp.

The Camps would be phased, a new one starting each week, and after six weeks, those found clean, would be flown out to rejoin society. After several weeks fallow, an emptied camp would be thoroughly cleaned, and returned to service for a new weekly group.

That was "The PLAN".

We didn't do it!

WHY!?

[Common Sense]

I have not read all of his commentary yet.

The doctor who gave his interview represents the Obama team.

Best to not have an informed opinion.

Obama team doctor? Can you provide a link? You sure he's not just a rep for the hospital of the mayors office?

[Common Sense]

@Common Sense (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1085)

What is your problem with this ... quote from Kurmudgeon?

The "Plan" for dealing with the next Ebola major African Outbreak has been around and worked out for at least 30 years, and probably longer. The Military began doing exercises in how to airlift supply remote location isolation-observation portable camps as early as 1985, I know, I participated in them.

The concept was to greatly limit the number of people allowed to fly into the Hot Zones, to just those who were essential aid-worker, Doctor, Researcher, or Security personnel. When rotation time came around, and these people needed to be pulled back to the U.S. they would be sent to a remote patch of Alaskan Tundra, or Nevada Desert, to live in a series of spaced out camps along an Airlift supply runway, with fuel, electricity, sewer, water, shelters, clean cloths, medical supplies, and food all brought in and dropped in exchange zones, and pulled by cables and aircraft tugs across a buffer zone, to be unpacked and used by each camp.

The Camps would be phased, a new one starting each week, and after six weeks, those found clean, would be flown out to rejoin society. After several weeks fallow, an emptied camp would be thoroughly cleaned, and returned to service for a new weekly group.

That was "The PLAN".

We didn't do it!

WHY!?

I don't really believe him. I also think that would be an over reaction. Why hasn't the military called for this if indeed it's warranted?

Do you really think that would have happened under Romney? I don't. He's turned a real problem into a catastrophe orchestrated by the evil democrats.

[Bob]

That's your interpretation. It's a just a forum. I never take it seriously. The only think that will get me worked up is the animal cruelty $#@!.

I responded to his posts because I thought they were some of the more humorously ridiculous things I've read in a while.

Sure, this had to amuse you.


The "Plan" for dealing with the next Ebola major African Outbreak has been around and worked out for at least 30 years, and probably longer. The Military began doing exercises in how to airlift supply remote location isolation-observation portable camps as early as 1985, I know, I participated in them.

The concept was to greatly limit the number of people allowed to fly into the Hot Zones, to just those who were essential aid-worker, Doctor, Researcher, or Security personnel. When rotation time came around, and these people needed to be pulled back to the U.S. they would be sent to a remote patch of Alaskan Tundra, or Nevada Desert, to live in a series of spaced out camps along an Airlift supply runway, with fuel, electricity, sewer, water, shelters, clean cloths, medical supplies, and food all brought in and dropped in exchange zones, and pulled by cables and aircraft tugs across a buffer zone, to be unpacked and used by each camp.

The Camps would be phased, a new one starting each week, and after six weeks, those found clean, would be flown out to rejoin society. After several weeks fallow, an emptied camp would be thoroughly cleaned, and returned to service for a new weekly group.

That was "The PLAN".

We didn't do it!

WHY!?

[Bob]

I don't really believe him. I also think that would be an over reaction. Why hasn't the military called for this if indeed it's warranted?

Do you really think that would have happened under Romney? I don't. He's turned a real problem into a catastrophe orchestrated by the evil democrats.

I really don't believe you.

[Common Sense]

Sure, this had to amuse you.

That didn't amuse me...but this did...


Can't you see how all of these little facts are adding up to a Liberal Purge of their undesirables?

The 2011 remove of the travel restrictions and quarantine.

The lack of any real response to the threat after Dallas.

The several year existence of a Vaccine.

The appointment of an Ebola Czar with a Population-Control Agenda.

The approaching 2014 elections where it is expected that Liberals will receive a severe pounding.

Pro-African Citizen's taking bizarre actions, when they clearly know better, resulting a high likely hood of spread of the disease.

The supreme confidence and lack of concern by many on the far Left political spectrum. Even those on our forums making derisive, dismissive and condescending remarks to any sort of concern over Ebola.

The apparent lack of concern by the Left at the likely significant loss of political power in the 2014 elections.

The CDC position of the incubation period being 2-21 days, when the WHO says 1-47 days.

Can't you SEE how this is adding up?

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as is this...


It is possible.

If you look at other forums, the ONLY people who are scoffing at, condescending about, and casually dismissing the threat of Ebola are the far Lefties.

There has been an Immunization (supposedly not human tested or manufactured yet) since 2011, which just so happens to be the year that Obama changed the Ebola travel quarantine procedure.

So, quietly make 100 Million doses, give them to "My People", then work overtime to bring Ebola to America.

Revolution and Transformation of America, and it doesn't matter if the common man has a gun, he's dead.

Pretty clever actually.


I don't KNOW that it is going on, but it is not beyond possibility.

I don't think anything is beyond the morals of the Radical Lefties.

Time will tell, if a select group of people, allied politically, seem to be magically immune to the Pandemic killing everyone else.

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[Common Sense]

I really don't believe you.

That's great Bob. I really don't care.

[Bob]

Maybe Common Sense skipped this part of his discussion.


All the theories I could find, will be presented in a very brief sketch, and the readers/posters are encouraged to discuss them, and add new items to the growing list of rationales.

The rationales are not presented in any kind of logical order or hierarchy of believability. The order was somewhat determined by google searches return results of theories explaining the President's actions.

The Question for Debate of the Thread:

What do you believe is the Rationale being used by President Obama and his closest cabinet level advisers on the issue of Ebola, for abandoning the long held plans for Travel Restrictions and Returning Personnel Isolation?

[Bob]

That's great Bob. I really don't care.

When you did not understand his OP, and you declare you don't believe him, it shows you do not understand.

Therefore I do not believe you nor do you care.

But I realized that when you acted upset at his questions.

[Common Sense]

When you did not understand his OP, and you declare you don't believe him, it shows you do not understand.

Therefore I do not believe you nor do you care.

But I realized that when you acted upset at his questions.

I understand his premise clearly.

Maybe you should read all the crap he wrote before commenting.

If I was upset, I would make that clear.

[Kurmugeon]

Does he caution you when he claims it may be a conspiracy to kill conservatives by the Obama admin? Does he caution you when he says it may kill millions of Americans?

There is plenty of reason to believe that this administration, loaded full of 1960s Radicals, could be capable of just about anything!

http://zombietime.com/john_holdren/



John Holdren, Obama's Science Czar, says: Forced abortions and mass sterilization needed to save the planet
Book he authored in 1977 advocates for extreme totalitarian measures to control the population



http://zombietime.com/john_holdren/obamalooking.jpg




http://zombietime.com/john_holdren/front_cover_small.jpg


Forced abortions. Mass sterilization. A "Planetary Regime" with the power of life and death over American citizens.

The tyrannical fantasies of a madman? Or merely the opinions of the person now in control of science policy in the United States? Or both?

These ideas (among many other equally horrifying recommendations) were put forth by John Holdren (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Holdren), whom Barack Obama has recently appointed Director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, Assistant to the President for Science and Technology, and Co-Chair of the President's Council of Advisors on Science and Technology -- informally known as the United States' Science Czar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_czars_of_the_Obama_administration). In a book Holdren co-authored in 1977, the man now firmly in control of science policy in this country wrote that:

• Women could be forced to abort their pregnancies, whether they wanted to or not;
• The population at large could be sterilized by infertility drugs intentionally put into the nation's drinking water or in food;
• Single mothers and teen mothers should have their babies seized from them against their will and given away to other couples to raise;
...


http://www.westernjournalism.com/exclusive-investigative-reports/obama-surrounds-himself-with-the-most-extreme-appointees-in-american-history/

http://www.wnd.com/2012/10/obama-cabinet-scary-roster-of-ex-radicals/

http://grassfire.com/2014/02/obamas-latest-scheme-to-silence-conservatives/

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2013/03/18/obama-appoints-radical-who-lied-under-oath-about-new-black-panther-party-case-to-head-labor-department-n1537241

http://online.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052970203550604574361071968458430

http://reason.com/blog/2006/04/03/to-save-the-planet-kill-90-per

The White House, and the A.G. Eric Holder, went way out of their way, to defend and drop all charges against a man who stood on street corners with a bull horn calling for the extermination of white children!

When I look at the collection of radicals and extremists who are inside the cabinet of the Obama Administration, and some of the genocidal statements they have made, and then consider the bizarre fact that we are not doing the smart things to control and limit the risk of Ebola,...

My Military Training causes me to ask WHY? Who could be planning to use Ebola as a weapon against the American People.

If the radical actions and words of those in the Obama Administration causes me, or any other military threat analyst, to at least question the people in the Administration, then that says allot more about Obama Administration, than it does about the analysts.

What the CDC and Obama are doing with respect to Ebola makes no sense!

I ask the question, what if... because in bio-Warfare, to be caught off guard is to die horribly.

If the questions of, What If, lead to the White House, well, the White House is currently staffed by Radicals, who have made many ill-considered comments about the need to get rid of large portions of the population, so they need to be seen as a possibility.

Not a probability, but at least a possibility.

The threat that will kill you, is the one you are too proud, or afraid, or indignant, to even consider.

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[Common Sense]

Maybe @Common Sense (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1085) skipped this part of his discussion.

Well he was pretty clear that he believed a conspiracy by the Obama admin to purposefully allow Ebola into the country in order to kill Conservatives was quite believable, even probable.

[Common Sense]

Like I was saying.

[Bob]

Does he caution you when he claims it may be a conspiracy to kill conservatives by the Obama admin? Does he caution you when he says it may kill millions of Americans?

Actually he asks questions.

[Common Sense]

Actually he asks questions.

No Bob...they're assertions. Veiled, sure...

Do you think the Obama admin has allowed the virus into the US to kill you?

[Bob]

There is plenty of reason to believe that this administration, loaded full of 1960s Radicals, could be capable of just about anything!

http://zombietime.com/john_holdren/





http://www.westernjournalism.com/exclusive-investigative-reports/obama-surrounds-himself-with-the-most-extreme-appointees-in-american-history/

http://www.wnd.com/2012/10/obama-cabinet-scary-roster-of-ex-radicals/

http://grassfire.com/2014/02/obamas-latest-scheme-to-silence-conservatives/

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2013/03/18/obama-appoints-radical-who-lied-under-oath-about-new-black-panther-party-case-to-head-labor-department-n1537241

http://online.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052970203550604574361071968458430

http://reason.com/blog/2006/04/03/to-save-the-planet-kill-90-per

The White House, and the A.G. Eric Holder, went way out of their way, to defend and drop all charges against a man who stood on street corners with a bull horn calling for the extermination of white children!

When I look at the collection of radicals and extremists who are inside the cabinet of the Obama Administration, and some of the genocidal statements they have made, and then consider the bizarre fact that we are not doing the smart thing to control and limit the risk of Ebola,...

My Military Training causes me to ask WHY? Who could be planning to use Ebola as a weapon against the American People.

If the radical actions and words of those in the Obama Administration causes me, or any other military threat analyst, to at least question the people in the Administration, then that says allot more about Obama Administration, than it does about the analysts.

What the CDC and Obama are doing with respect to Ebola makes no sense!

I ask the question, what if... because in bio-Warfare, to be caught off guard is to die horribly.

If the questions of, What If, lead to the White House, well, the White House is currently staffed by Radicals, who have made many ill-considered comments about the need to get rid of large portions of the population, so they need to be seen as a possibility.

Not a probability, but at least a possibility.

The threat that will kill you, is the one you are too proud, or afraid, or indignant, to even consider.

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Nothing wrong with those questions unless you are devoted to Obama for some rather odd reason.

[Bob]

No Bob...they're assertions. Veiled, sure...

Do you think the Obama admin has allowed the virus into the US to kill you?

I don't know. Do you know for certain?

[Common Sense]

Nothing wrong with those questions unless you are devoted to Obama for some rather odd reason.

They're fine questions for Bellview.

The only people I'm devoted to are my friends and family.

[Common Sense]

I don't know. Do you know for certain?

I'm fairly certain there is no conspiracy to kill all the conservatives in America with Ebola. Yes.

[The Xl]

No Bob...they're assertions. Veiled, sure...

Do you think the Obama admin has allowed the virus into the US to kill you?

I don't know about that, but I don't think they really care about preventing any infections, otherwise they would have handled it a lot differently.

[Common Sense]

I think Ebola was introduced by a conservative Republican cabal of cannibalistic pedophiles to create a post apocalyptic America where they can eat all the children they farm in underground bunkers.

[Common Sense]

I don't know about that, but I don't think they really care about preventing any infections, otherwise they would have handled it a lot differently.

Really? I'm sorry but you've been infected with the paranoia virus as well. Luckily it's not fatal. But your friends and family will distance themselves from you for obvious reasons.

[The Xl]

Really? I'm sorry but you've been infected with the paranoia virus as well. Luckily it's not fatal. But your friends and family will distance themselves from you for obvious reasons.


I'm really not paranoid. I don't think anything will come of it. That's not to say it wasn't handled miserably.

I'll take critical thinking with a healthy dose of skepticism over your blind loyalty to the government, though.

[Common Sense]

I'm really not paranoid. I don't think anything will come of it. That's not to say it wasn't handled miserably.

I'll take critical thinking with a healthy dose of skepticism over your blind loyalty to the government, though.

I have no loyalty to the Dems. I just think it hasn't been handled very well. Not criminally bad, but bad. There's a huge jump to take that mishandling and call it purposeful.

It's on the same level as saying Bush orchestrated 9/11.

[The Xl]

I have no loyalty to the Dems. I just think it hasn't been handled very well. Not criminally bad, but bad. There's a huge jump to take that mishandling and call it purposeful.

It's on the same level as saying Bush orchestrated 9/11.

Orchestrating and letting something happen isn't the same thing.

A lot of people got paid off the wars that followed 9/11 anyway, but a different topic for a different thread.

To not quarantine and take preventative measures from the people coming back from those areas is retarded and borderline criminal negligence.

[Kurmugeon]

Well he was pretty clear that he believed a conspiracy by the Obama admin to purposefully allow Ebola into the country in order to kill Conservatives was quite believable, even probable.

If there is one lesson America should have learned from the events of 911 and the world trade towers, it is if someone tells you over and over and over that they hate you, and want you dead, they should be watched very closely.

Here are a few other recent proud Liberal Moments:

http://bearingarms.com/you-can-get-away-with-calling-for-genocide-at-the-university-of-kansas-as-long-as-you-pick-the-right-victim/

http://www.examiner.com/article/liberal-professor-calls-for-genocide-says-white-males-should-commit-suicide

http://www.conservativefiringline.com/liberalism-remains-an-ideology-of-genocidal-hate-and-rage/

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/34-the-green-genocide-agenda-saving-the-earth-by-killing-humans/

http://stop-obama-now.net/white-genocide/



When a political movement or group starts talking about genocide over and over and over, and has the means to kill in mass numbers, they need to watched.

I do NOT TRUST the Obama Administration, and I am far from being alone in that mistrust!

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[The Xl]

If you don't trust the Obama administration alone, like they're some rouge, out of the ordinary admin, you'd be wrong. If you have a general distrust of government, then that's fine and logical.

[Kurmugeon]

I'm fairly certain there is no conspiracy to kill all the conservatives in America with Ebola. Yes.

If you don't even bother to look, how could you know?

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[Common Sense]

It's true, there is clearly no shortage of crazy people.

[Common Sense]

If you don't even bother to look, how could you know?

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I looked. I found nothing. What I did find was that it's highly probable that Ebola was created by Ronald Reagan to kill black people, when it didn't really work they waited until this year to unleash it on America just to make Obama look bad. It's a perfectly reasonable theory of course.

[Kurmugeon]

If you don't trust the Obama administration alone, like they're some rouge, out of the ordinary admin, you'd be wrong. If you have a general distrust of government, then that's fine and logical.

I question ALL Government. If you are trying to stop bio-attacks, you question all possible sources and angles of attack. That is basic defensive strategy.

When it comes to Administrations, Its relative.

If the GW Bush Administration had appointed cabinet members who had made the extreme statements of John Holdren, calling for genocide and mass sterilization, .... or if Bush and his A.G. had gone out of their way to defend and drop charges against some radical loon, who was shouting on street corners for the death of all Black Children, I would have mistrusted the Dubya Administration allot more than I did!

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[The Xl]

I question ALL Government. If you are trying to stop bio-attacks, you question all possible sources and angles of attack. That is basic defensive strategy.

When it comes to Administrations, Its relative.

If the GW Bush Administration had appointed cabinet members who had made the extreme statements of John Holdren, calling for genocide and mass sterilization, .... or if Bush and his A.G. had gone out of their way to defend and drop charges against some radical loon, who was shouting on street corners for the death of all Black Children, I would have mistrusted the Dubya Administration allot more than I did!

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I don't disagree on this matter, although the Bush administration did some questionable and dubious things on other fronts.

[Redrose]

I'm still puzzled with Obama's decisions. Most of them appear not to be for our best interest. His motivation is elusive. I keep thinking of his comment made in one of his books, that he consideres himself a "child of the world" since he was raised in Indonesia and Hawaii not in the mainland USA. He doesn't think like a American let alone an American president. Basically, I think his priorities are screwed up. He's more concerned with other nations, and how the world sees him rather than doing what's good for our country. He seems to have a strong loyalty to Islam and to Africa, the religion and land of his father. Neither of those are a bad thing for one to have, but they are not the best loyalties to have as an American president. That has become quite evident by his unwillingness to call recent tragedies terrorism.

His poor handling of this ebola crisis suggests two things to me, either he is totally inept, unable to make important decisions, or good decisions; or he is a subversive, doing all he can to hurt America, the evil tyranical super power his father, mother, grandparents and communist mentors brainwashed him to despise, as they did.

This ebola situation has the potential to be very bad. Just look at the resources required to help the few who have contracted the disease. If the disease is not controlled, from the source, the loss of life and depleation of medical dollars here will be very extensive and crippling to our healthcare industry and economy.

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

[Common Sense]

I love Americans, but the more I read these forums, the more I come to the conclusion that there is segment of delusional people. From the idiots left under Bush who claimed 9/11 was an inside job and Bush was a Nazi, to the hysteria around Obama, Ebola and secret Muslim BS. At least the paranoia is equal opportunity.

It does make for some funny reading though...

[The Xl]

I love Americans, but the more I read these forums, the more I come to the conclusion that there is segment of delusional people. From the idiots left under Bush who claimed 9/11 was an inside job and Bush was a Nazi, to the hysteria around Obama, Ebola and secret Muslim BS. At least the paranoia is equal opportunity.

It does make for some funny reading though...

That would be nice and probably accurate if it weren't for declassified documents showing that the government has done nefarious shit before.

[Common Sense]

That would be nice and probably accurate if it weren't for declassified documents showing that the government has done nefarious $#@! before.

True...but there is nefarious shit, then there's crazy.

I don't think its impossible...I just think most of these theories are based on ignorance and fear.

[Peter1469]

No. They're ignorant and know nothing about epididymology. Now I have to boil my water all because of politically correct libs who are too afraid of turning off direct flights to Africa.



They're the ones who are going to end up sick. This is the Armageddon that John foretold. America will end up looking like a zombie apocalypse because of the do gooder libz wanting to help the sick. If I see an Ebola bot come my way, I just need a shotgun.

Be careful. A shotgun will spread body fluids all over the place. :shocked:

[Kurmugeon]

I don't disagree on this matter, although the Bush administration did some questionable and dubious things on other fronts.

Like water boarding and other forms of torture. I agree that Abu Ghraib was out of control.

But at least those doing it were not calling for the deaths of all Muslims, or African-Americans.

The Bush Administration was far from perfect.

I mistrusted the Bush Administration more than any other in my lifetime, until the Obama Administration, which makes Bush look stolid and reliable!

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[Redrose]

I love Americans, but the more I read these forums, the more I come to the conclusion that there is segment of delusional people. From the idiots left under Bush who claimed 9/11 was an inside job and Bush was a Nazi, to the hysteria around Obama, Ebola and secret Muslim BS. At least the paranoia is equal opportunity.

It does make for some funny reading though...


If you are a Canadian, you are an American too, not a citizen of the USA, but American nonetheless. Your border is becoming just as porous as ours.

Obama's action or lack of action is disturbing. If you feel my two choices to describe him are off the mark, please tell us what you attribute his poor decision making to.

I would not call call our postings paranoia, it is reasonable concern. Only mindless, intelligence challenged lemmings, allow life to happen around them without challenging issues that could adversely effect them.

A disease that has already killed thousands, albeit in Africa, and has the ability to turn your organs to liquid, needs to be controlled at all cost. Pandemics occur beause people don't recognize the seriousness of the disease and respond too slowly, probably for fear of being called paranoid.

[Kurmugeon]

I love Americans, but the more I read these forums, the more I come to the conclusion that there is segment of delusional people. From the idiots left under Bush who claimed 9/11 was an inside job and Bush was a Nazi, to the hysteria around Obama, Ebola and secret Muslim BS. At least the paranoia is equal opportunity.

It does make for some funny reading though...

There was a time when some guy was talking about the potential for Al Qaeda to use aircraft hijacked with simple weapons, as flying bombs to destroy buildings.

When he brought up the threat, people snorted, sneered and snickered, and told him to "Take your meds".

These things always seem outlandish and crazy, until suddenly they're not!

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[Common Sense]

If you are a Canadian, you are an American too, not a citizen of the USA, but American nonetheless. Your border is becoming just as porous as ours.

Obama's action or lack of action is disturbing. If you feel my two choices to describe him are off the mark, please tell us what you attribute his poor decision making to.

I would not call call our postings paranoia, it is reasonable concern. Only mindless, intelligence challenged lemmings, allow life to happen around them without challenging issues that could adversely effect them.

A disease that has already killed thousands, albeit in Africa, and has the ability to turn your organs to liquid, needs to be controlled at all cost. Pandemics occur beause people don't recognize the seriousness of the disease and respond too slowly, probably for fear of being called paranoid.

I understand that I too am an American, just as Mexicans are...just as all people of the Americas are.

Are you "challenging issues that could adversely effect them" by posting comments on the internet? Because that might really do anything.

[Redrose]

I understand that I too am an American, just as Mexicans are...just as all people of the Americas are.

Are you "challenging issues that could adversely effect them" by posting comments on the internet? Because that might really do anything.

I follow several political and social forums. I do that because I am very involved with our local GOP and Tea Party. I am one of several who write editorials to our local papers and help to research and compile data for our monthly meetings. I also work diligently campaigning and supporting our conservative politicians, locally and nationally, which I have been doing since the early seventies.

The North and South American continents and Central America in-between, are technically all Americans. We USA citizens call ourselves Americans, leading some to believe all "Americans" from Canada and Mexico and all points south have a right to ignore our soverign border and trespass into our nation, which is not accurate.

[The Xl]

True...but there is nefarious shit, then there's crazy.

I don't think its impossible...I just think most of these theories are based on ignorance and fear.

I'd say the Gulf of Tonkin is more egregious and crazy than both 9/11 and this Ebola thing.

[Common Sense]

I follow several political and social forums. I do that because I am very involved with our local GOP and Tea Party. I am one of several who write editorials to our local papers and help to research and compile data for our monthly meetings. I also work diligently campaigning and supporting our conservative politicians, locally and nationally, which I have been doing since the early seventies.

The North and South American continents and Central American in-between, are technically all Americans. We USA citizens call ourselves Americans, leading some to believe all "Americans" from Canada and Mexico and all points south have a right to ignore our soverign border and trespass into our nation, which is not accurate.

Honestly that's great. More people should become involved.

I don't think anyone is using that idea to justify entering the US illegally.

[Common Sense]

I'd say the Gulf of Tonkin is more egregious and crazy than both 9/11 and this Ebola thing.

Well, 9/11 would be a bigger deal...and intentionally exposing millions of people to deadly pathogens may also be considered more drastic. Besides, Tonkin really happened, but it was blown out of proportion and used for justification.

[Bob]

Like water boarding and other forms of torture. I agree that Abu Ghraib was out of control.

But at least those doing it were not calling for the deaths of all Muslims, or African-Americans.

The Bush Administration was far from perfect.

I mistrusted the Bush Administration more than any other in my lifetime, until the Obama Administration, which makes Bush look stolid and reliable!

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I am sorry you did not trust GW Bush. Did I agree with him 100 percent?

I never agreed with any president 100 percent. They are fortunate if I agree with them 51 percent of the time.

I did not believe the USA must invade Iraq. I said so on TV by the Vet memorial when I was caught by a TV stations reporters.

But once the invasion happened, did it do me or others a lot of good to whine all the time over it?

[Bob]

Well, 9/11 would be a bigger deal...and intentionally exposing millions of people to deadly pathogens may also be considered more drastic. Besides, Tonkin really happened, but it was blown out of proportion and used for justification.

Gulf of Tonkin was a ruse by my then president.

[Redrose]

Honestly that's great. More people should become involved.

I don't think anyone is using that idea to justify entering the US illegally.


Actually some are. Just this past Spring in the middle of a particularly heated debate over illegal immigration with the young people being brought to our Southern border, some left wing open border advocates used that analogy, that we are all Americans, and they have a right to breach our borders and reside in the USA availing themselves to all our resources. Of course I disagree strongly.

[Kurmugeon]

I am sorry you did not trust GW Bush. Did I agree with him 100 percent?

I never agreed with any president 100 percent. They are fortunate if I agree with them 51 percent of the time.

I did not believe the USA must invade Iraq. I said so on TV by the Vet memorial when I was caught by a TV stations reporters.

But once the invasion happened, did it do me or others a lot of good to whine all the time over it?

I think that Dubya was at times ignorant, and at others, misguided, but I never once thought that he had anything but the best of intentions and honorable goals to protect and advance the United States and her people.

I decided by the end of the first six months, that President Obama could never be trusted, that he was intentionally doing small harm to America, and possibly great harm that was covered up. I think that Obama's first loyalty has never been to America, and he sees American people as divided into categories which warrant differential treatment and protection of the LAW.

I greatly mistrust Obama and even more mistrust many of his Radical Cabinet members. I don't think that there is any evil action, including genocide, which is completely past them.

I think this, because they have told us so in their own written words!

I think it is a low probability, but it is a clear possibility for this President and his Administration. Given the potential costs, it must be considered and guarded against.

I do not think that Bush, or any of his cabinet was capable of such actions.

Again, there was a time, when no one believed anyone would use hijacked airliners as flying bombs.

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[nic34]

I am sorry you did not trust GW Bush. Did I agree with him 100 percent?

I never agreed with any president 100 percent. They are fortunate if I agree with them 51 percent of the time.


Nor do I, including Obama. But there are some around that think a president should be 100% perfect, like a saint.

[Common Sense]

I think that Dubya was at times ignorant, and at others, misguided, but I never once thought that he had anything but the best of intentions and honorable goals to protect and advance the United States and her people.

I decided by the end of the first six months, that President Obama could never be trusted, that he was intentionally doing small harm to America, and possibly great harm that was covered up. I think that Obama's first loyalty has never been to America, and he sees American people as divided into categories which warrant differential treatment and protection of the LAW.

I greatly mistrust Obama and even more mistrust many of his Radical Cabinet members. I don't think that there is any evil action, including genocide, which is completely past them.

I think this, because they have told us so in their own written words!

I think it is a low probability, but it is a clear possibility for this President and his Administration. Given the potential costs, it must be considered and guarded against.

I do not think that Bush, or any of his cabinet was capable of such actions.

Again, there was a time, when no one believed anyone would use hijacked airliners as flying bombs.

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What's funny is that's exactly what the far left crazies thought about Bush.

You agree with Bush's politics (to an extent) so you see him as a good guy. You disagree with Obama and now feel he doesn't have America's interests at heart.

I think both men love their country and want what's best for her. They may have different versions of that.

[Kurmugeon]

What's funny is that's exactly what the far left crazies thought about Bush.

You agree with Bush's politics (to an extent) so you see him as a good guy. You disagree with Obama and now feel he doesn't have America's interests at heart.

I think both men love their country and want what's best for her. They may have different versions of that.


Did the Bush administration ever appoint cabinet members who called for mass sterilizations and genocide?

Did the Bush Administration ever drop charges against someone who was not only intimidating voters, but on numerous occasions stood on street corners with a blow horn demanding the ethnocentric genocide of children?

If you cannot see the definitive level of Radicalism difference between Bush and Obama, then you have a significant perception blindness.

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[Common Sense]

Did the Bush administration ever appoint cabinet members who called for mass sterilizations and genocide?

Did the Bush Administration ever drop charges against someone who was not only intimidating voters, but on numerous occassions stood on street corners with a blow horn demanding the ethnocentric genocide of children?

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Who in the Obama admin called for mass sterilizations and genocide? You're talking about one paper from the 70's one guy wrote about hypothetical?

[Kurmugeon]

Who in the Obama admin called for mass sterilizations and genocide? You're talking about one paper from the 70's one guy wrote about hypothetical?

I've already posted in this thread in the posts made today. John Holdren.

But if you read the other links about the radical members of the Obama Cabinet, you'll find that they are not your average administrators, but a who-is-who of extreme radicals.

The three that I feel are the greatest threat are Valerie Jarret, Eric Holder, and Andy Van Jones ( removed from one post, but still in the administration in another capacity ).

The relationship between Bill Ayers and President Obama is also a source of great concern, in that his is a known terrorist who built bombs to kill Americans in the 1960s. If Bill Ayers were even slightly repentant of his youthful indiscretions, it might be overlooked, but he has stated in interviews since Obama took office that he feels he should have done far more in the way of bombing and murders to achieve his political goals.

When a President surrounds himself with such people, he will not be trusted.

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[Kurmugeon]

It has come out that even the CDC admits that Ebola may be transmitted by Aerosol Droplets of Spittle from Coughing and Sneezing of a patient who does not yet have the high fever.


http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/10/center-infectious-disease-research-policy-university-minnesota-ebola-may-become-airborne.html#aerosol




Two Infectious Disease Experts Say Ebola In Its CURRENT Form Is ALREADY Spread By Aerosols

But perhaps most challenging to the mainstream assumption that Ebola can only be spread through physical contact with a person who is showing symptoms of infection is the following explanation (http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2014/09/commentary-health-workers-need-optimal-respiratory-protection-ebola) by two national experts on infectious disease transmission, both professors in the School of Public Health, Division of Environmental and Occupational Health Sciences, at the University of Illinois at Chicago (footnotes omitted):
We believe there is scientific and epidemiologic evidence that Ebola virus has the potential to be transmitted via infectious aerosol particles both near and at a distance from infected patients, which means that healthcare workers should be wearing respirators, not facemasks. [Aerosols (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerosol) are liquids or small particles suspended in air. An example is sea spray (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_salt_aerosol): seawater suspended in air bubbles, created by the force of the surf mixing water with air.]


The important points are that virus-laden bodily fluids may be aerosolized and inhaled while a person is in proximity to an infectious person and that a wide range of particle sizes can be inhaled and deposited throughout the respiratory tract.
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Being at first skeptical that Ebola virus could be an aerosol-transmissible disease, we are now persuaded by a review of experimental and epidemiologic data that this might be an important feature of disease transmission, particularly in healthcare settings.
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Many body fluids, such as vomit, diarrhea, blood, and saliva, are capable of creating inhalable aerosol particles in the immediate vicinity of an infected person. Cough was identified among some cases in a 1995 outbreak in Kikwit, Democratic Republic of the Congo, and coughs are known to emit viruses in respirable particles. The act of vomiting produces an aerosol and has been implicated in airborne transmission of gastrointestinal viruses. Regarding diarrhea, even when contained by toilets, toilet flushing emits a pathogen-laden aerosol that disperses in the air.
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There is also some experimental evidence that Ebola and other filoviruses can be transmitted by the aerosol route. Jaax et alreported the unexpected death of two rhesus monkeys housed approximately 3 meters from monkeys infected with Ebola virus, concluding that respiratory or eye exposure to aerosols was the only possible explanation.
Zaire Ebola viruses have also been transmitted in the absence of direct contact among pigsand from pigs to non-human primates, which experienced lung involvement in infection. Persons with no known direct contact with Ebola virus disease patients or their bodily fluids have become infected.
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Experimental studies have demonstrated that it is possible to infect non-human primates and other mammals with filovirus aerosols. [Ebola is a type of filovirus]
Altogether, these epidemiologic and experimental data offer enough evidence to suggest that Ebola and other filoviruses may be opportunistic with respect to aerosol transmission. That is, other routes of entry may be more important and probable, but, given the right conditions, it is possible that transmission could also occur via aerosols.

In other words, these two infectious disease experts believe that Ebola is already – in its current form – transmissible via aerosols. They therefore urge all doctors and nurses working with Ebola patients to wear respirators.



So, it certainly appears that we were lied to about Ebola and its risks. WHY?




IF, and I stress "IF", they are lying about Ebola... and using those lies to keep the air traffic going between the U.S. and Africa.... WHY?

What is so important about the air traffic, other than special chartered flights to take Ebola Aid Workers in and out, that they would lie to keep it going?

What Exactly are they flying in those planes which is so damn valuable to warrant the risk/cost? Huge Sacks of Diamonds? Drugs? Voters?

Surely they know that eventually the truth about Ebola will come out, as the disease spreads, and when the truth is finally known, the vast majority of Americans will be outraged and totally turn against them and their political party.

Note, this becomes a situation that is not one of political "RISK", but of certain political "COST", because if they lie about Ebola, and it is worse than they are stating, then we end up with a Pandemic with a 50-90% mortality rate!

Taking such an extreme COST, would have to mean that there is a possible extreme benefit to make it worth that cost.

If you can believe in the idea of a lie about Ebola, yet to be proven, ask yourself, what would they hope to gain? Killing 50-90% of the population won't help them win any election again, EVER!

So what is the benefit?

Unless.... Unless... it does NOT kill all people equally.

What would be the outcome if we had 80% mortality of all people not belonging to the Far-Left?

Right now, the Far Left is about 20% of 316 Million or 63 Million.

That means the opposing vote, after a Pandemic, the non-immunized survivors might be 20% of 316 Million or 63 Million.

And many of those survivors will be mentally and/or physically severally Handicapped. If they are left alone and cared for to continue life at all.

http://www.blackherbals.com/ebola_survivors_still_sick_after_seven_years.htm


So, it would create a Permanent Far-Left Lock hold on power!

Now that is a Benefit some might see as worth the COST.


Do you know that a vaccine has existed since 2011, the very year that Obama changed the Ebola travel quarantine rules?

Just what would it take to manufacture and distribute 100 Million doses of an Ebola Vaccine?

Could the Government have the power and facilities to do it in secret?

Did you know the Government / Military has maintained secret bases equipped to mass produce vaccines since the Soviet Union began weaponizing small pox in the Vietnam War era?

I wonder if anyone not from the Far-Left Obama Administration has inspected those facilities in the last few years?

We are told that the Vaccine has never been human trialed, and it has never been mass produced.

We are told allot of things...

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It has come out that even the CDC admits that Ebola may be transmitted by Aerosol Droplets of Spittle from Coughing and Sneezing of a patient who does not yet have the high fever.


http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/10/center-infectious-disease-research-policy-university-minnesota-ebola-may-become-airborne.html#aerosol



So, it certainly appears that we were lied to about Ebola and its risks. WHY?




IF, and I stress "IF", they are lying about Ebola... and using those lies to keep the air traffic going between the U.S. and Africa.... WHY?

What is so important about the air traffic, other than special chartered flights to take Ebola Aid Workers in and out, that they would lie to keep it going?

What Exactly are they flying in those planes which is so damn valuable to warrant the risk/cost? Huge Sacks of Diamonds? Drugs? Voters?

Surely they know that eventually the truth about Ebola will come out, as the disease spreads, and when the truth is finally known, the vast majority of Americans will be outraged and totally turn against them and their political party.

Note, this becomes a situation that is not one of political "RISK", but of certain political "COST", because if they lie about Ebola, and it is worse than they are stating, then we end up with a Pandemic with a 50-90% mortality rate!

Taking such an extreme COST, would have to mean that there is a possible extreme benefit to make it worth that cost.

If you can believe in the idea of a lie about Ebola, yet to be proven, ask yourself, what would they hope to gain? Killing 50-90% of the population won't help them win any election again, EVER!

So what is the benefit?

Unless.... Unless... it does NOT kill all people equally.

What would be the outcome if we had 80% mortality of all people not belonging to the Far-Left?

Right now, the Far Left is about 20% of 316 Million or 63 Million.

That means the opposing vote, after a Pandemic, the non-immunized survivors might be 20% of 316 Million or 63 Million.

And many of those survivors will be mentally and/or physically severally Handicapped. If they are left alone and cared for to continue life at all.

http://www.blackherbals.com/ebola_survivors_still_sick_after_seven_years.htm


So, it would create a Permanent Far-Left Lock hold on power!

Now that is a Benefit some might see as worth the COST.


Do you know that a vaccine has existed since 2011, the very year that Obama changed the Ebola travel quarantine rules?

We are told that the Vaccine has never been human trialed, and it has never been mass produced.

We are told allot of things...

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The most scary aspect of Ebola is the sense of invincibility among liberals over the topic of communicable diseases.

the only thing saving us so far is that Ebola is not easily spread when the number of carriers is small.

but the illegal alien from Liberia demonstrated that Obama and the CDC are not ready to deal with a pandemic and will not be prepared when the next one comes along.

[Kurmugeon]

The most scary aspect of Ebola is the sense of invincibility among liberals over the topic of communicable diseases.

the only thing saving us so far is that Ebola is not easily spread when the number of carriers is small.

but the illegal alien from Liberia demonstrated that Obama and the CDC are not ready to deal with a pandemic and will not be prepared when the next one comes along.


On other forums where I have been posting on the subject of Ebola, where there is a much larger complement of Far-Leftie Poster than there is on this forum, you would be amazed at the response posts of anyone bringing up anything critical of the Obama Ebola Policies.

If the person has his political Lean profile set to anything other than Leftie of some flavor, then chances are good they are posting about their concerns and worries over Ebola.

The person who made the thread, or who makes any post that is directly critical of the President, the CDC, or the Administration, is promptly attacked by the Posters who have Leftie Leans!

The Far-Leftie Posters almost always use:

1] virulent ad hominem attacks
2] condescending and belittling language
3] Outrage that the poster knows nothing of medical science and DARED to criticize his betters.
4] Sneer and Jeering
5] An appeal for everyone else to Ostracize this malcreant who so offends all of US.

And the reaction is so universally uniform among the various lefties, that it almost has to be an organized reaction.

Other subjects, not about Ebola do get reactions from the same posters, but the responses are not anywhere near as uniform and instant.

Other Posters who are only Slightly Left of Center, but not Far-Left, often join in the reaction, but late, and not with the uniform list of reaction statements.

Additionally, a large number of the Far-Leftie reactions are always from and Aire of "Supreme Confidence that they are immune to Ebola" and general superiority.

So, I started going back through the last three months of posts, and began posting responses to their uniform responses asking the question:


Another Leftie who is supremely confident that they are immune to Ebola..... Why?

You should have seen the sparks fly!

http://www.debatepolitics.com/general-political-discussion/207268-prepping-ebola-not-4.html

So, I cannot PROVE that this means a large number of Lefties KNOW something we don't, and are not really concerned about Ebola, but happy about it... but their reactions certainly indicate it.

This is Forum Reaction to the Ebola issue is DAMN SCARY!

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On other forums where I have been posting on the subject of Ebola, where there is a much larger complement of Far-Leftie Poster than there is on this forum, you would be amazed at the response posts of anyone bringing up anything critical of the Obama Ebola Policies.

If the person has his political Lean profile set to anything other than Leftie of some flavor, then chances are good they are posting about their concerns and worries over Ebola.

The person who made the thread, or who makes any post that is directly critical of the President, the CDC, or the Administration, is promptly attacked by the Posters who have Leftie Leans!

The Far-Leftie Posters almost always use:

1] virulent ad hominem attacks
2] condescending and belittling language
3] Outrage that the poster knows nothing of medical science and DARED to criticize his betters.
4] Sneer and Jeering
5] An appeal for everyone else to Ostracize this malcreant who so offends all of US.

And the reaction is so universally uniform among the various lefties, that it almost has to be an organized reaction.

Other subjects, not about Ebola do get reactions from the same posters, but the responses are not anywhere near as uniform and instant.

Other Posters who are only Slightly Left of Center, but not Far-Left, often join in the reaction, but late, and not with the uniform list of reaction statements.

Additionally, a large number of the Far-Leftie reactions are always from and Aire of "Supreme Confidence that they are immune to Ebola" and general superiority.

So, I started going back through the last three months of posts, and began posting responses to their uniform responses asking the question:



You should have seen the sparks fly!

http://www.debatepolitics.com/general-political-discussion/207268-prepping-ebola-not-4.html

So, I cannot PROVE that this means a large number of Lefties KNOW something we don't, and are not really concerned about Ebola, but happy about it... but their reactions certainly indicate it.

This is Forum Reaction to the Ebola issue is DAMN SCARY!

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Far left libs are pretty hopeless and it is impossible to talk sense to them.

But the others libs, aka libertarians, used to be more approachable.

but most of them have fallen off the far left cliff over the social issues and are now almost as wacko as the other libs.

[Peter1469]

Early on in the Ebola scare I saw some doctor (I think) state that "airborne" would mean dry as opposed to wet. So sneeze gobbles would be outside of that definition of airborne. If true, that would mean, the virus just couldn't float around through the air on its own in air currents.

[Common Sense]

I've already posted in this thread in the posts made today. John Holdren.

But if you read the other links about the radical members of the Obama Cabinet, you'll find that they are not your average administrators, but a who-is-who of extreme radicals.

The three that I feel are the greatest threat are Valerie Jarret, Eric Holder, and Andy Van Jones ( removed from one post, but still in the administration in another capacity ).

The relationship between Bill Ayers and President Obama is also a source of great concern, in that his is a known terrorist who built bombs to kill Americans in the 1960s. If Bill Ayers were even slightly repentant of his youthful indiscretions, it might be overlooked, but he has stated in interviews since Obama took office that he feels he should have done far more in the way of bombing and murders to achieve his political goals.

When a President surrounds himself with such people, he will not be trusted.

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Holdren's 1969 paper with one out of context paragraph that you and some other crazies have eaten up? Oh yeah...he's out to kill everyone.

You see what you want to see.

[Kurmugeon]

Early on in the Ebola scare I saw some doctor (I think) state that "airborne" would mean dry as opposed to wet. So sneeze gobbles would be outside of that definition of airborne. If true, that would mean, the virus just couldn't float around through the air on its own in air currents.

Absolutely!

The Cough Aerosol transmission mechanism is very short range, at most about 5 feet, but typically less than three feet.

Which is why, in the vernacular of Epidemiologists the mechanism is NOT called Airborne, it is referred to as Aerosol or Aerosol-Ejecta.

It is not anywhere near as bad if Ebola is Aerosol as it would be if it were Airborne.

In airborne, you cannot rely upon a few miles of isolated zone around returning exposed worker monitoring camps, because a 10 mile and hour wind could carry the virus 20 miles through the air before it dies.

Higher winds are a nightmare!

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[Kurmugeon]

Holdren's 1969 paper with one out of context paragraph that you and some other crazies have eaten up? Oh yeah...he's out to kill everyone.

You see what you want to see.

Have you downloaded and read the entire book? I did. John Holdren is a damn scary dud.

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[Peter1469]

I wasn't sure if I remembered it correctly, so I didn't mention it until now.

Anyway, I was more interested in the way people are reacting to the issue. Especially the media, when they question the competence of the government. And there is plenty to question. However, words mean things and when the media flies off the handle misusing a term it only adds to the panic.
Absolutely!

The Cough Aerosol transmission mechanism is very short range, at most about 5 feet, but typically less than three feet.

Which is why, in the vernacular of Epidemiologists the mechanism is NOT called Airborne, it is referred to as Aerosol or Aerosol-Ejecta.

It is not anywhere near as bad if Ebola is Aerosol as it would be if it were Airborne.

In airborne, you cannot rely upon a few miles of isolated zone around returning exposed worker monitoring camps, because a 10 mile and hour wind could carry the virus 20 miles through the air before it dies.

Higher winds are a nightmare!

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[Kurmugeon]

So, A Senator on the National Security Council could order an independent investigation:


I wonder if anyone not from the Far-Left Obama Administration has inspected those facilities in the last few years?

Low Probability, Yes!, But a very high damage potential.

Its just a reasonable safeguard, given the number of "All White People Need to Die!" comments coming from Obama Supporters.

And the fact that the Administration is doing Every Damn Stupid Thing Possible to create an American Ebola Pandemic!

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