When did every issue become a world threat?

[donttread]

Am I the only one to notice that every times the government tries to sell the people something we don't want that "The world" or at least "The world economy" depends on us accepting what they want to do against all common sense and our own best interest?
This seems to be a theme from "The bailout" to "Raising the Debt Ceiling" to near constant revolving door war in the ME.
So how long will "we the sheep" keep buying the sales pitch? Ice cubes to an Eskimo?

[Peter1469]

Because it works. The people are too distracted to think critically and come to a different conclusion.

[Cigar]

Fear Mongering Sells and the Fearful lap it up :wink:

[Mac-7]

Libs do it too.

how many breathless reports of global warming does it take to make Obama voters pee in their pants?

[donttread]

Libs do it too.

how many breathless reports of global warming does it take to make Obama voters pee in their pants?

Lib or neocon is irrelevant . We need to tell the bastards NO once in a while

[PolWatch]

it works...look at the advertising for new drugs...they find new & terrible diseases that they have found a cure for...shaking legs (?)...that's a real danger. Politicians work the same way pharm companies do. Create a new disease and swear they have the cure....millions flock to buy what they are selling...even if they didn't know the problem existed before someone told 'em about the cure.

[donttread]

it works...look at the advertising for new drugs...they find new & terrible diseases that they have found a cure for...shaking legs (?)...that's a real danger. Politicians work the same way pharm companies do. Create a new disease and swear they have the cure....millions flock to buy what they are selling...even if they didn't know the problem existed before someone told 'em about the cure.


Well put. Like Fibermylasia, RLS ( the leg thing) and several of the syndromes

[Mac-7]

Lib or neocon is irrelevant . We need to tell the bastards NO once in a while

You mean its not relevant when government is under the thumb of Obama who libs have no quarrel with.

why don't you get on your high horse for issues being pushed by the libs?

[iustitia]

You mean its not relevant when government is under the thumb of Obama who libs have no quarrel with.

why don't you get on your high horse for issues being pushed by the libs?Why don't you pull the big red, white and blue cock out of your ass and stop turning every topic into a lib-baiting bonanza?

We get it, you luv 'Murica and hate thu libruls. Get a new schtick.

[Green Arrow]

Why don't you pull the big red, white and blue cock out of your ass and stop turning every topic into a lib-baiting bonanza?

We get it, you luv 'Murica and hate thu libruls. Get a new schtick.

Excessive vulgarity is against the rules, and this is well beyond excessive.

[donttread]

You mean its not relevant when government is under the thumb of Obama who libs have no quarrel with.

why don't you get on your high horse for issues being pushed by the libs?

Sigh, have I taught you nothing Mac? QUIT listening to the rhetoric and pay attention to the action. Neocons bail out megacorps as do libs. Libs make war just like neocons. Both spy on American citizens and federalize education. Both have trashed our due process rights. I could go on but instead I'll simply ask you: How do the Obama years really differ from the Bush years? Not in mantra but in real, concrete action?

[Peter1469]

And that was from the people who think third parties are bad!


Sigh, have I taught you nothing Mac? QUIT listening to the rhetoric and pay attention to the action. Neocons bail out megacorps as do libs. Libs make war just like neocons. Both spy on American citizens and federalize education. Both have trashed our due process rights. I could go on but instead I'll simply ask you: How do the Obama years really differ from the Bush years? Not in mantra but in real, concrete action?

[donttread]

And that was from the people who think third parties are bad!

Actually I'm a big third party supporter.

[Peter1469]

Actually I'm a big third party supporter.

I know you are. I was referring to the person you were quoting.

[Matty]

I love to wake up to a liberal whine on Sunday! :)

[donttread]

I know you are. I was referring to the person you were quoting.

I thought you knew that

[Mini Me]

it works...look at the advertising for new drugs...they find new & terrible diseases that they have found a cure for...shaking legs (?)...that's a real danger. Politicians work the same way pharm companies do. Create a new disease and swear they have the cure....millions flock to buy what they are selling...even if they didn't know the problem existed before someone told 'em about the cure.

Yup.

Solutions in search of a problem.

[donttread]

So when do we as a society "Man up" and "Women up" and tell them NO!
No more debt!
No more bailouts!
No more megacorp written legislation!
No more war!
No more foreign aid!

[Peter1469]

When we become collectively uncomfortable enough to wake up and pay attention to what is going on.

[Ransom]

Lib or neocon is irrelevant . We need to tell the bastards NO once in a while

Uhhhhh....case you ain't noticed....the Tea Party among the irrelevant opposed and tried to say no. Labeled the party of No even....and they were excoriated, mocked, and labeled racists but I'm sure we can't find you doing just that anywhere in this record, huh donttread.

For the love of God.

[Ransom]

What a f'n cake and eat it too threadstart.

[Ransom]

So when do we as a society "Man up" and "Women up" and tell them NO!
No more debt!
No more bailouts!
No more megacorp written legislation!
No more war!
No more foreign aid!

And how bout those sexual harassment issues you're chirping on about in the other thread that you believes requires government intervention, Donttread. Don't forget about that and for the love of God. Wow!

[exotix]

Am I the only one to notice that every times the government tries to sell the people something we don't want that "The world" or at least "The world economy" depends on us accepting what they want to do against all common sense and our own best interest?

This seems to be a theme from "The bailout" to "Raising the Debt Ceiling" to near constant revolving door war in the ME.
So how long will "we the sheep" keep buying the sales pitch? Ice cubes to an Eskimo?
Let's just say it doesn't happen overnight ... say for instance, Hitler had to get the entire nation of Germany behind 'em (simply by creating economic well-being after prophesying the 1929 Wall Street crash) before embarking on global conquest ...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txukr5zgHnw

[Mac-7]

Ok, just for the sake of argument lets say nothing beyond our borders is our responsibility in any way.

is that what you folks want?

[exotix]

Ok, just for the sake of argument lets say nothing beyond our borders is our responsibility in any way.

is that what you folks want?
You have a point ...


Europe is gateway for Ebola into U.S.


http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ebola-virus-outbreak/no-ebola-checks-brussels-airport-after-flights-liberia-n223581


http://media1.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2014_42/711761/141010-monrovia-airport-03_0d3643893456997157c45afa25baab36.nbcnews-fp-1840-600.jpg

[texan]

Finally a topic we can all agree on..........

[donttread]

And how bout those sexual harassment issues you're chirping on about in the other thread that you believes requires government intervention, Donttread. Don't forget about that and for the love of God. Wow!

1) I'm not an anarchist , I'm for a Constitutional government.
2) The Constitution does not limit state governments in the same way it limits the feds
3) We need laws. Do you disagree?

[donttread]

You have a point ...


Europe is gateway for Ebola into U.S.


http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ebola-virus-outbreak/no-ebola-checks-brussels-airport-after-flights-liberia-n223581


http://media1.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2014_42/711761/141010-monrovia-airport-03_0d3643893456997157c45afa25baab36.nbcnews-fp-1840-600.jpg

Yup we got enough problems of our own

[Mac-7]

Yup we got enough problems of our own

I think turning the topic to Ebola here is a way for exotix to avoid answering my question about US leadership - or lack of- in international affairs.

because the critics usually complain and CIA coups or invasions using our military, not natural disaster relief.

[exotix]

I think turning the topic to Ebola here is a way for exotix to avoid answering my question about US leadership - or lack of- in international affairs.

because the critics usually complain and CIA coups or invasions using our military, not natural disaster relief.
Depends ... you can always wage war on everything that doesn't conform to your beliefs ... Ebola on the other hand doesn't recognize you as *righteous*

[Peter1469]

Ok, just for the sake of argument lets say nothing beyond our borders is our responsibility in any way.

is that what you folks want?

A few do. I don't. I believe in Realpolitik. Neocons are so dangerous as to be categorized as traitors. We ought to tar and feather them and run them into Mexico.

[Mac-7]

Depends ... you can always wage war on everything that doesn't conform to your beliefs ... Ebola on the other hand doesn't recognize you as *righteous*


I would just point out that the Muslims have killed more people than Ebola.

yes, no?

[Mac-7]

A few do. I don't. I believe in Realpolitik. Neocons are so dangerous as to be categorized as traitors. We ought to tar and feather them and run them into Mexico.

So in your opinion it's not fair to call people like you isolationists but it's ok for you to kill neocons?

because most people who are tarred and feathered die.

[exotix]

I would just point out that the Muslims have killed more people than Ebola.

yes, no?
Well there's no telling who Ebola will kill next ... kind of like this guy faking us on 9/11 ...


http://uncoy.com/images/2009/ex-President-George-Bush-reading-My-Pet-Goat.jpg

[Peter1469]

People who call me an isolationist are either making things up or deliberately lying.

Tar and feathering Necons is likely over the top- I suppose...; but Neocons are dangerous and ought to be marginalized in society. I can compromise and live with the latter. :smiley:


So in your opinion it's not fair to call people like you isolationists but it's ok for you to kill neocons?

because most people who are tarred and feathered die.

[Peter1469]

Well there's no telling who Ebola will kill next ... kind of like this guy faking us on 9/11 ...

Contribute without the comedy please.

[exotix]

Contribute without the comedy please.
No comedy there ... muslims killed 3,000 Americans in about an hour ...


I would just point out that the Muslims have killed more people than Ebola.

[Peter1469]

The comedy was your gratuitous pic of Bush.


No comedy there ... muslims killed 3,000 Americans in about an hour ...

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[Mac-7]

Well there's no telling who Ebola will kill next ... kind of like this guy faking us on 9/11 ...


http://uncoy.com/images/2009/ex-President-George-Bush-reading-My-Pet-Goat.jpg

In spite of what you may think 9-11 really did happen.

[Mac-7]

People who call me an isolationist are either making things up or deliberately lying.

Tar and feathering Necons is likely over the top- I suppose...; but Neocons are dangerous and ought to be marginalized in society. I can compromise and live with the latter. :smiley:

Neocons may be dangerous.

but who is a neocon?

apparently any conservative who disagrees with you about the use of force overseas.

[exotix]

In spite of what you may think 9-11 really did happen.
Correct ... despite al-queda long known as a world threat ... Bush always seemed to be on vacation.

[Ransom]

1) I'm not an anarchist , I'm for a Constitutional government.
2) The Constitution does not limit state governments in the same way it limits the feds
3) We need laws. Do you disagree?

Excuse me to find someone playing both sides of the fence, you can't call for government intervention to solve your social ills and at the same time harp on about the sky is falling techniques to get that same government involved. Sorry. That's called blatant hypocrisy.

[Mac-7]

Correct ... despite al-queda long known as a world threat ... Bush always seemed to be on vacation.

Nice try but its your hero obumer who will always be known as the vacationer in chief.

[Captain Obvious]

Nice try but its your hero obumer who will always be known as the vacationer in chief.

You spend a lot of time feeding off of the bottom.

[Matty]

Nice try but its your hero obumer who will always be known as the vacationer in chief.
No! The liar in chief. He never takes a vacation from lying.

[Peter1469]

Neocons may be dangerous.

but who is a neocon?

apparently any conservative who disagrees with you about the use of force overseas.

That is silly, and untrue.

The most simple definition are those who put use of force at the top of the tool kit in foriegn policy. Let's see if people who are more advanced wish to expand up that.

[Mac-7]

You spend a lot of time feeding off of the bottom.

I just go where the most libs can be found.

[Mac-7]

The most simple definition are those who put use of force at the top of the tool kit in foriegn policy.

do they?

No one is calling for the use of force against Belgium.

but Arab terrorists like the Isis bunch are a different matter.

Would you rather fight them in Baghdad or New York?

[Captain Obvious]

Would you rather fight them in Baghdad or New York?

Standard neocon rhetorical blather #32

[Mac-7]

Standard neocon rhetorical blather #32

Its a question that the single-minded isolationists can't answer.

[PolWatch]

how 'bout we let 'em just kill each other?

[Captain Obvious]

how 'bout we let 'em just kill each other?

Works for me but blood always seems to splatter on everyone's clothes.

[PolWatch]

oxy-clean...works everytime. just stand further back

[exotix]

Its a question that the single-minded isolationists can't answer.
Have you asked 2016 prez GOP hopeful Paulie about his stance ?

[Captain Obvious]

oxy-clean...works everytime. just stand further back

That shit never worked for us.

[Mac-7]

Have you asked 2016 prez GOP hopeful Paulie about his stance ?

If he wants to win the nomination he better be closer the militaristic Cookie Lady on that issue.

[exotix]

If he wants to win the nomination he better be closer the militaristic Cookie Lady on that issue.
Of course ... however, Paulies' 20 hour filibuster against Drones pretty-much put that one to bed.

[Peter1469]

do they?

No one is calling for the use of force against Belgium.

but Arab terrorists like the Isis bunch are a different matter.

Would you rather fight them in Baghdad or New York?

Right. Nobody is calling for the use of force against Belgium.

ISIL is not so much a terrorist organization any longer. It is a militant group operating like a motorized infantry unit. They don't represent a serious threat to the West. The best they could manage are small scale attacks on soft targets.

Fight them in Baghdad or NYC? False choice. We don't have to do either.

[Mac-7]

Right. Nobody is calling for the use of force against Belgium.

ISIL is not so much a terrorist organization any longer. It is a militant group operating like a motorized infantry unit. They don't represent a serious threat to the West. The best they could manage are small scale attacks on soft targets.

Fight them in Baghdad or NYC? False choice. We don't have to do either.

isis is is proving to be the most competent military organization in the Middle East next to Israel.

they are overrunning both Syria and Iraq.

that gives them the territory to become the center of terrorism attacks in the world.

[Peter1469]

Not a very high bar. Their success is more to local indifference than to military success. Breath deep. Don't panic. They are militarily insignificant.


isis is is proving to be the most competent military organization in the Middle East next to Israel.

they are overrunning both Syria and Iraq.

that gives them the territory to become the center of terrorism attacks in the world.

[Mac-7]

They are militarily insignificant.

Not by a long shot.

isis is in a position to threaten Jordan and the Gulf states and have a stranglehold on world oil supplies.

then there is the issue of training bases for international terrorists.

[Peter1469]

A while back I cataloged the numbers of the regional militarys. It was well over 1 million troops. If nations fall to IS it is because they refused to fight. I don't suffer cowards.

As far as transnational terrorism goes, we have on-going programs dealing with them. Boots on the ground is antithetical to those goals. My only addition to the current plans would be a full scale assassination program against the financiers of militant Islam. That would do the most to end it when the privileged started turning up dead.


Not by a long shot.

isis is in a position to threaten Jordan and the Gulf states and have a stranglehold on world oil supplies.

then there is the issue of training bases for international terrorists.

[Mac-7]

A while back I cataloged the numbers of the regional militarys. It was well over 1 million troops. If nations fall to IS it is because they refused to fight. I don't suffer cowards.

As far as transnational terrorism goes, we have on-going programs dealing with them. Boots on the ground is antithetical to those goals. My only addition to the current plans would be a full scale assassination program against the financiers of militant Islam. That would do the most to end it when the privileged started turning up dead.

Did Czechoslovakia fall to the nazis because they refused to fight?

intervention by Britain and France to save the Czechs might have prevented WWII.

maybe if we had never invaded Iraq then you could sit on your hands and do nothing now.

but we did invade and there is no turning back the clock now.

not even to two years ago when a residual force of 20,000 Americans might have prevented what is happening now.

[Ransom]

Full scale assassination programs, Adolf, tell me more.

[Ransom]

Did Czechoslovakia fall to the nazis because they refused to fight?

The Ukrainians didn't refuse to fight neither have the Kurds, you make a good point.


intervention by Britain and France to save the Czechs might have prevented WWII.


no, the I word!!!


maybe if we had never invaded Iraq then you could sit on your hands and do nothing now.

but we did invade and there is no turning back the clock now.

Exactly. The ball has been snapped.


not even to two years ago when a residual force of 20,000 Americans might have prevented what is happening now.

Exactly.

[Peter1469]

The Brits and French were in no position to intervene. What ifs are fun though.

I supported the invasion of Iraq. I did not support the completely inane and incompetent decision to disband the army and play nation-building. We won the actual war and humiliated the Iraqi's when our tanks took the Jewel of the Middle East (Baghdad). We should have bless a new totalitarian dictator and told him good luck. We will come back if you cross us. Bye.

Did Czechoslovakia fall to the nazis because they refused to fight?

intervention by Britain and France to save the Czechs might have prevented WWII.

maybe if we had never invaded Iraq then you could sit on your hands and do nothing now.

but we did invade and there is no turning back the clock now.

not even to two years ago when a residual force of 20,000 Americans might have prevented what is happening now.

[Mac-7]

I supported the invasion of Iraq. I did not support the completely inane and incompetent decision to disband the army and play nation-building. We won the actual war and humiliated the Iraqi's when our tanks took the Jewel of the Middle East (Baghdad). We should have bless a new totalitarian dictator and told him good luck. We will come back if you cross us. Bye.

we seem to agree that bush mismanaged the war in Iraq.

so much so that doing nothing would have been better.

but Isis is the question now.

And even with obumer in the White House I don't think we can afford to do nothing.

[Peter1469]

we seem to agree that bush mismanaged the war in Iraq.

so much so that doing nothing would have been better.

but Isis is the question now.

And even with obumer in the White House I don't think we can afford to do nothing.

I wouldn't do nothing about ISIL, but I certainly would invade the place. I would work in the shadows and state the obvious- it is a dangerous world. I have no idea why all these people are dying.....

[donttread]

What a f'n cake and eat it too threadstart.

Thank you for that absolutely meaningless comment

[Peter1469]

Thank you for that absolutely meaningless comment

Ransom is special. One of the last Neocons...

[Ransom]

Ransom is special. One of the last Neocons...

The camp widens daily.

[donttread]

Not by a long shot.

isis is in a position to threaten Jordan and the Gulf states and have a stranglehold on world oil supplies.

then there is the issue of training bases for international terrorists.

LMAO. Keep drinkin the Coolaide!

[donttread]

The camp widens daily.

Bohner's mere presence in congress reveals that their are way too many neocons left