The Paradox of Americas first black president

[Peter1469]

The Paradox of Americas first black president (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/5455efbe-4fa4-11e4-a0a4-00144feab7de.html#axzz3G2kvBP00)

Obama's policies have hit the black community like a hammer. Will it translate into a shift from voting (D) to voting for their self interests? I assume no.





A paradox haunts America’s first black president. African-American wealth has fallen further under Barack Obama than under any president since the Depression. Yet they are the only group that still gives him high ratings. So meagre is Mr Obama’s national approval rating that embattled Democrats have made him unwelcome in states that twice swept him to power. Those who have fared worst under Mr Obama are the ones who love him the most. You would be hard-pressed to find a better example of perception-driven politics. As the Reverend Kevin Johnson (http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/may/05/why-loyal-to-president-not-loyal-to-us) asked in 2013: “Why are we so loyal to a president who isn’t loyal to us?”

[nic34]

Same can be said about coal miners of the red state of WVA voting for republicans....

[Captain Obvious]

Black people will still vote race first no matter what.

[Peter1469]

Same can be said about coal miners of the red state of WVA voting for republicans....

Bad analogy. Dems would put those miners on unemployment.

[Mister D]

Same can be said about coal miners of the red state of WVA voting for republicans....

The GOP is killing the coal industry?

[Mister D]

Bad analogy. Dems would put those miners on unemployment.

Exactly.

[nic34]

Ok then, like thousands of Kentuckians that signed up for the new health care plan last fall. The state's uninsured rate fell from 20.4 percent to 11.9 as Kentucky became one of the leading states in getting the uninsured covered under Obamacare.


"I'm tickled to death with it," said Evans, who is being treated for high blood pressure and an autoimmune disorder. "It's helped me out a bunch," she said, adding that now she can see a doctor regularly and get her medications filled.


But will still vote republican, and for McConnell.


http://www.commondreams.org/views/2014/09/26/why-do-citizens-vote-against-their-own-best-interests

[Mac-7]

Ok then, like thousands of Kentuckians that signed up for the new health care plan last fall. The state's uninsured rate fell from 20.4 percent to 11.9 as Kentucky became one of the leading states in getting the uninsured covered under Obamacare.


"I'm tickled to death with it," said Evans, who is being treated for high blood pressure and an autoimmune disorder. "It's helped me out a bunch," she said, adding that now she can see a doctor regularly and get her medications filled.


But will still vote republican, and for McConnell.


http://www.commondreams.org/views/2014/09/26/why-do-citizens-vote-against-their-own-best-interests

Most of the new insured are getting government handouts.

all Obama did was grow the beggar class in America.

[Gunny]

Do we HAVE a black President? Which half?

[Captain Obvious]

Ok then, like thousands of Kentuckians that signed up for the new health care plan last fall. The state's uninsured rate fell from 20.4 percent to 11.9 as Kentucky became one of the leading states in getting the uninsured covered under Obamacare.


"I'm tickled to death with it," said Evans, who is being treated for high blood pressure and an autoimmune disorder. "It's helped me out a bunch," she said, adding that now she can see a doctor regularly and get her medications filled.


But will still vote republican, and for McConnell.


http://www.commondreams.org/views/2014/09/26/why-do-citizens-vote-against-their-own-best-interests

Many of these people were still getting healthcare coverage, it was just being provided at the providers cost (bad debt).

[exotix]

Problem is, Obama is half-white ... this is important since as an alleged corporatist ... he's done well for the *honky-pig-establishment* .... *snicker*

[Mac-7]

Do we HAVE a black President? Which half?

Both.

obama identifies himself as black not half black.

[Peter1469]

Problem is, Obama is half-white ... this is important since as an alleged corporatist ... he's done well for the *honky-pig-establishment* .... *snicker*

Ali says behave, Exo....

[Captain Obvious]

Both.

obama identifies himself as black not half black.

Just click your heels and say "I want to go home" 7 times.

:biglaugh:

[nic34]

Many of these people were still getting healthcare coverage, it was just being provided at the providers cost (bad debt).

Um, no you cant get treatments for autoimmune disorder and Rx at emergency rooms or churches.

BTW did you see the rest of the article about those voting against their interests?

Polls show that Wisconsin voters are solidly in favor of taking redistricting away from the grubby hands of the politicians, just as they are in favor of doing something to stop the huge flow of money that is essentially buying campaigns and politicians these days.

But if people won't pay attention to the beliefs of those politicians when deciding how to vote, nothing is ever going to change.

If you like Obamacare and want to keep it, it's best not to vote for Mitch McConnell or, in our neck of the woods, Paul Ryan.

If you want to make our political districts more competitive so the people have a fighting chance to decide who should get elected, then don't vote for someone who refuses to even consider changing the system.


As someone once said, if as citizens in a democratic society we don't pay attention, we wind up with the government we deserve.

[Mac-7]

Obama identifies himself as African American not mixed race.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/02/obama-census-choice-afric_n_524012.html

[Captain Obvious]

Um, no you cant get treatments for autoimmune disorder and Rx at emergency rooms or churches.

BTW did you see the rest of the article about those voting against their interests?

Polls show that Wisconsin voters are solidly in favor of taking redistricting away from the grubby hands of the politicians, just as they are in favor of doing something to stop the huge flow of money that is essentially buying campaigns and politicians these days.


But if people won't pay attention to the beliefs of those politicians when deciding how to vote, nothing is ever going to change.
If you like Obamacare and want to keep it, it's best not to vote for Mitch McConnell or, in our neck of the woods, Paul Ryan. If you want to make our political districts more competitive so the people have a fighting chance to decide who should get elected, then don't vote for someone who refuses to even consider changing the system.


As someone once said, if as citizens in a democratic society we don't pay attention, we wind up with the government we deserve.

So getting ER treatment for bloody noses is disqualified because it's not some fancy schmancy disease?

Guess what - you're wrong!

:biglaugh:

Since standard E&M makes up typically the largest proportion of healthcare by frequency I'm guessing it's a far bigger point than you understand.

[Captain Obvious]

Obama identifies himself as African American not mixed race.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/02/obama-census-choice-afric_n_524012.html

So that magically makes his DNA to be pure of the cracka's disease?

:biglaugh:

[Mac-7]

So that magically makes his DNA to be pure of the cracka's disease?

:biglaugh:

It means you can't blame whites for obama stupidity.

he's running America the way blacks run Detroit.

[exotix]

It means you can't blame whites for obama stupidity.

he's running America the way blacks run Detroit.
No you mean Bush ran America into Detroit.

[Mac-7]

No you mean Bush ran America into Detroit.

Detroit was a failure long before bush was president.

the decline began when the first black became mayor.

since then a once great American city has become a third world slum comparable to Africa.

[Captain Obvious]

Detroit was a failure long before bush was president.

the decline began when the first black became mayor.

since then a once great American city has become a third world slum comparable to Africa.

So how do you keep your hood and sheets so pearly white after all those cross burnings?

[Mac-7]

So how do you keep your hood and sheets so pearly white after all those cross burnings?

Thats silly.

but I know you have a very limited list of arguments to choose from.

[Safety]

So how do you keep your hood and sheets so pearly white after all those cross burnings?

Oxy-clean, duh!


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[Mac-7]

Oxy-clean, duh!

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You can't defend Detroit so you have to attack me.

[Cigar]

Same can be said about coal miners of the red state of WVA voting for republicans....

Wow ... I didn't know Obama's Policies hit me in any way more than any other President

I should listen more to White People, after all they know more about what impacts me more than me :laugh:


Paul Krugman: Obama One of ‘Most Consequential’ Presidents in Modern History
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=vz0Ut3v1wOo

The Jimmy Carter and Barack Obama character assassinations...Even today, Jimmy Carter has not recovered from the right-wing attacks upon his character in 1980. They were able to portray him as the weakest President in history, who was weak in foreign policy and in economic policies at home. In fact, it was his efforts that got the Camp David accords and agreement between Begin and Sadat. It was his energy policy that was adopted by Reagan and served us well for several years. It was his honesty that was needed after Watergate and the corruption and criminality in the White House under Nixon. But, because of the Iran hostage crisis, the Republicans painted him as weak and unable to govern. Eventually, the hostages came home, after Reagan was elected. But they were not killed, as were the 241 service members in Beirut that were car-bombed under Reagan's incompetence.

Today, they are doing the same type of character assassination against Barack Obama. And, just like with Jimmy Carter, they are succeeding. "Obama is weak. He is incompetent. He is a liar. He is not even an American". And so forth, and so forth...

When in fact, Barack Obama is one of the most involved foreign policy Presidents we have had in a very long time. He has spent most of his time in office cleaning up the mess and disasters left behind by Bush, Cheney, and the Republican war mongers. History will probably record that his major accomplishment in office was in keeping the country from going under after the disastrous market and housing crash of 2008? But, the right-wing will never mention that as they continue to tear him down and to obstruct every idea that he might propose.



... it really doesn't matter what people didn't or never would Vote or like Obama thanks, because it doesn't change any of the facts that Obama supporters voted and won twice, back-2-back ... that's history that will never ever change.

... and knowing that is what really gets under the skin of the haters, is worth the 8 years and is priceless.

Enjoy :afro:

[Captain Obvious]

You can't defend Detroit so you have to attack me.

Nobody's defending Detroit no matter how much you want them to.

Attacking you is easy with the self-administered "kick me" sign on your back.

Don't want cheap shots taken at you? Make yourself a harder target to hit.

[Bob]

Most of the new insured are getting government handouts.

all Obama did was grow the beggar class in America.

Actually when they check out the prices they must pay, only the heavily subsidized can afford the ACA.

For the majority who still are not insured, they know how to balance their own checkbook.

[Bob]

Nobody's defending Detroit no matter how much you want them to.

Attacking you is easy with the self-administered "kick me" sign on your back.

Don't want cheap shots taken at you? Make yourself a harder target to hit.

Yep, brag about the size of his cock for instance. That makes him a hard target, so to speak.

[Captain Obvious]

Yep, brag about the size of his cock for instance. That makes him a hard target, so to speak.

9146

[Bob]

Cigar, you have some outstanding economists whom are black. Why don't you support them? Thomas Sowell for instance?

Thomas Sowell is an icon in the world of economics. In 2002, Sowell was awarded the National Humanities Medal for prolific scholarship melding history, economics, and political science. He followed that up the next year by earning the Bradley Prize for intellectual achievement. Sowell is both a syndicated columnist and an academic economist. In addition to his column, Sowell has written books, and articles, for a general audience such as “The Einstein Syndrome: Bright Children Who Talk Late”, and “Intellectuals and Society”. He primarily writes on economic subjects, endorsing a free market approach to capitalism. Sowell also writes on racial topics and is a critic of affirmative action and race-based quotas. - See more at: http://madamenoire.com/108645/making-an-impact-8-accomplished-african-american-economists/2/#sthash.nd6U4pAa.dpuf

Walter Williams

Walter E. Williams is referred to as “one of the country’s leading libertarian voices.” He’s earned that titled for his work as an outspoken commentator with libertarian views. He’s also an economist, commentator, and academic. He is the John M Olin Distinguished Professor of Economics at George Mason University, as well as a syndicated columnist and author. In 2009, Greg Ransom, a writer for the Ludwig von Mises Institute, ranked Williams as the third most important “Hayekian” Public Intellectual in America, behind only Thomas Sowell and John Stossel.
As an economist, Williams often defends free market economics and rails against socialist systems and government intervention. Some may know him for his rigorous, fact-based argument that the free market is a force that promotes racial equality.
- See more at: http://madamenoire.com/108645/making-an-impact-8-accomplished-african-american-economists/5/#sthash.4EXVTzEn.dpuf

[Safety]

Yep, brag about the size of his cock for instance. That makes him a hard target, so to speak.


http://www.troll.me/images/ancient-aliens-guy/lol-wut.jpg

[Mac-7]

9146

I see the captain has been getting his insight from the Cartoon Channel again.

[Polecat]

I still contend that Obama is only doing what he is told to do by his masters.

[PolWatch]

hmm..considering the quality of most TV shows, the cartoon network might be the most intelligent programming out there....

[Mac-7]

hmm..considering the quality of most TV shows, the cartoon network might be the most intelligent programming out there....

for libs it would be no worse that the Obama loving network news shows.

[Polecat]

hmm..considering the quality of most TV shows, the cartoon network might be the most intelligent programming out there....

A little bit of Sponge Bob & Patrick puts things back into perspective.

[PolWatch]

ah, for the good ole days of Wily Coyote and Acme Mfg!

[Polecat]

ah, for the good ole days of Wily Coyote and Acme Mfg!

I credit Loony Toons with a larger part of my childhood education. They also gave me an appreciation for classical music.

[Mac-7]

ah, for the good ole days of Wily Coyote and Acme Mfg!

The Rocky and Bullwinkle Show.

[PolWatch]

I credit Loony Toons with a larger part of my childhood education. They also gave me an appreciation for classical music.

ya know you are 'classy' when you can listen the William Tell Overture and not think of the Lone Ranger!

[Peter1469]

Cigar: Attention: provide a link


Wow ... I didn't know Obama's Policies hit me in any way more than any other President

I should listen more to White People, after all they know more about what impacts me more than me :laugh:


Paul Krugman: Obama One of ‘Most Consequential’ Presidents in Modern History


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=vz0Ut3v1wOo

The Jimmy Carter and Barack Obama character assassinations...

Even today, Jimmy Carter has not recovered from the right-wing attacks upon his character in 1980. They were able to portray him as the weakest President in history, who was weak in foreign policy and in economic policies at home. In fact, it was his efforts that got the Camp David accords and agreement between Begin and Sadat. It was his energy policy that was adopted by Reagan and served us well for several years. It was his honesty that was needed after Watergate and the corruption and criminality in the White House under Nixon. But, because of the Iran hostage crisis, the Republicans painted him as weak and unable to govern. Eventually, the hostages came home, after Reagan was elected. But they were not killed, as were the 241 service members in Beirut that were car-bombed under Reagan's incompetence.

Today, they are doing the same type of character assassination against Barack Obama. And, just like with Jimmy Carter, they are succeeding. "Obama is weak. He is incompetent. He is a liar. He is not even an American". And so forth, and so forth...

When in fact, Barack Obama is one of the most involved foreign policy Presidents we have had in a very long time. He has spent most of his time in office cleaning up the mess and disasters left behind by Bush, Cheney, and the Republican war mongers. History will probably record that his major accomplishment in office was in keeping the country from going under after the disastrous market and housing crash of 2008? But, the right-wing will never mention that as they continue to tear him down and to obstruct every idea that he might propose.



... it really doesn't matter what people didn't or never would Vote or like Obama thanks, because it doesn't change any of the facts that Obama supporters voted and won twice, back-2-back ... that's history that will never ever change.

... and knowing that is what really gets under the skin of the haters, is worth the 8 years and is priceless.

Enjoy :afro:

[donttread]

The Paradox of Americas first black president (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/5455efbe-4fa4-11e4-a0a4-00144feab7de.html#axzz3G2kvBP00)

Obama's policies have hit the black community like a hammer. Will it translate into a shift from voting (D) to voting for their self interests? I assume no.

The 1% needs to give back. Enough is enough.

[Matty]

The 1% needs to give back. Enough is enough.
They do. It's the 50% of non tax payers who give nothing and take take take.

[donttread]

They do. It's the 50% of non tax payers who give nothing and take take take.

Oh for Christ sake wake up! It's both! And you try living on ten bucks an hour without help. Our lowest socio-economic groups cannot support themselves on full time work, especially in urban settings. That is a problem . Is there abuse? Yes and that is a problem as well. But are you aware of the corporate welfare we dole out? It's not what the 1% make, its the backhanded, tilted table way they make it that bothers me

[Matty]

Oh for Christ sake wake up! It's both! And you try living on ten bucks an hour without help. Our lowest socio-economic groups cannot support themselves on full time work, especially in urban settings. That is a problem . Is there abuse? Yes and that is a problem as well. But are you aware of the corporate welfare we dole out? It's not what the 1% make, its the backhanded, tilted table way they make it that bothers me
Well let them leave then!

[Cigar]

@Cigar (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=294): Attention: provide a link

Click in The Link above the Video -----------> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vz0Ut3v1wOo

Published on Oct 12, 2014
New York Times columnist Paul Krugman told ABC News’ Jon Karl Sunday morning that President Barack Obama was one of the most consequential commanders in chief in modern history, arguing that his policy accomplishments far outstripped the legacies of recent presidents like Ronald Reagan or Bill Clinton (though not LBJ and FDR).

[Cigar]

They do. It's the 50% of non tax payers who give nothing and take take take.

Then why don't you go collect

[Peter1469]

The 1% needs to give back. Enough is enough.

They pay more in one year than you will pay in your life. How much more?