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Chris
10-17-2014, 08:32 AM
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Mac-7
10-17-2014, 08:34 AM
You are pissed at the dems for not helping the poor?

what should the dems be doing?

Chris
10-17-2014, 08:43 AM
Not pissed. Dems are full of shit and so are Reps. Not credible for their unfounded, contradictory, ridiculous positions.

Mac-7
10-17-2014, 08:47 AM
Not pissed. Dems are full of $#@! and so are Reps. Not credible for their unfounded, contradictory, ridiculous positions.


The problem is that very few democrats think deeply enough to be persuaded.

With almost half the voters dependent on government for all or part of their income they need the democrats more than conservatives need the republicans.

the typical Obama voter does not need good schools or a job as long as the democrats are in power to guarantee their welfare check.

GrassrootsConservative
10-17-2014, 08:49 AM
It's because they're both big-government Liberals instead of foundational Conservatives. Your own overused talking-point meme proves just as much.

Common Sense
10-17-2014, 08:53 AM
The he problem is that very few democrats think deeply enough to be persuaded.

With almost half the voters dependent on government for all or part of their income they need the democrats more than conservatives need the republicans.

the typical Obama voter does not need good schools or a job as long as the democrats are in power to guarantee their welfare check.

You continue to be a cartoon character. That 47% line of bullshit is just that...bullshit.

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/09/the-47-who-they-are-where-they-live-how-they-vote-and-why-they-matter/262506/

...and then you continue to claim that Dems are idiots. Then people wonder why the US is so divided. Apparently if you don't think like me or vote like me, you're not a "deep thinker".

Mac-7
10-17-2014, 08:53 AM
It's because they're both big-government Liberals instead of foundational Conservatives. Your own overused talking-point meme proves just as much.

I am not a republican politician so accusing me of being a closet lib who wants to grow the government is fantasy.

Most repub politicians arrive in Washington with conservative ideals.

But the deck is stacked against them because big government dems hang together while repubs cannot always depend on your support.

Mac-7
10-17-2014, 08:56 AM
You continue to be a cartoon character. That 47% line of bull$#@! is just that...bull$#@!.

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/09/the-47-who-they-are-where-they-live-how-they-vote-and-why-they-matter/262506/

...and then you continue to claim that Dems are idiots. Then people wonder why the US is so divided. Apparently if you don't think like me or vote like me, you're not a "deep thinker".

are you a dem?

Common Sense
10-17-2014, 08:56 AM
are you a dem?

No...

GrassrootsConservative
10-17-2014, 09:00 AM
I am not a republican politician so accusing me of being a closet lib who wants to grow the government is fantasy.

Most repub politicians arrive in Washington with conservative ideals.

But the deck is stacked against them because big government dems hang together while repubs cannot always depend on your support.

Excuse me? Accusing you? "They're both big-government Liberals" is not about you, it's about the politicians. I was addressing the OP. Couldn't care any less what you think.

Mac-7
10-17-2014, 09:04 AM
No...

Then why are you so thin skinned about my criticism of dem voters?

a true independent would not care but a stealth dem might.

Common Sense
10-17-2014, 09:07 AM
Then why are you so thin skinned about my criticism of dem voters?

a true independent would not care but a stealth dem might.

It's not about being thinned skinned, it's about watching blatant lies, distortions and blind partisan hackery...

I'm not a stealth Dem either...

Captain Obvious
10-17-2014, 09:08 AM
It's not about being thinned skinned, it's about watching blatant lies, distortions and blind partisan hackery...

I'm not a stealth Dem either...

You're arguing with a political blow-up doll, keep that in mind.

Chris
10-17-2014, 09:11 AM
Excuse me? Accusing you? "They're both big-government Liberals" is not about you, it's about the politicians. I was addressing the OP. Couldn't care any less what you think.


Mac, this^^ is the topic. Stop trying to hijack the thread.

Mac-7
10-17-2014, 09:11 AM
It's not about being thinned skinned, it's about watching blatant lies, distortions and blind partisan hackery...

I'm not a stealth Dem either...


I think you are a lib who is ashamed to admit it.

you don't mind attacking republican supporters but bristle at criticism of the democrats.

thats partisanship whether you admit it or not.

Chris
10-17-2014, 09:12 AM
I think you are a lib who is ashamed to admit it.

you don't mind attacking republican supporters but bristle at criticism of the democrats.

thats partisanship whether you admit it or not.


Mac, you're once again telling people what they think instead of listening to them say what they think.

In short, you're arguing with yourself.

And hijacking the thread.

Common Sense
10-17-2014, 09:14 AM
I think you are a lib who is ashamed to admit it.

you don't mind attacking republican supporters but bristle at criticism of the democrats.

thats partisanship whether you admit it or not.

Oh I am a liberal.

I'll criticize Liberals, democrats, whatever when I see something worth criticizing. Currently I'm not attacking Republican supporters, I'm attacking blind partisanship and bullshit.

Mac-7
10-17-2014, 09:19 AM
Mac, you're once again telling people what they think instead of listening to them say what they think.

In short, you're arguing with yourself.

And hijacking the thread.

actually I'm telling you what I think of Common Sense.

I merely pointed out that a true independent would not care about criticism of lib democrat voters unless he are one.

maybe just peeking out from the closet, but that describes a lot of the libs on this forum.

Chris
10-17-2014, 09:46 AM
actually I'm telling you what I think of Common Sense.

I merely pointed out that a true independent would not care about criticism of lib democrat voters unless he are one.

maybe just peeking out from the closet, but that describes a lot of the libs on this forum.

What you think of common however is based on your invented straw man of his thinking.

If I say (a) you think the moon is made of cheese and (b) you're therefore nuts, then, sure, (b) is logically derived from (a), but (a) is something I made up. You can't argue from straw men.



a true independent would

Now you're arguing a no true Scotsman fallacy.

Mac-7
10-17-2014, 09:50 AM
What you think of common however is based on your invented straw man of his thinking.




Common Sense claims to be an independent - along with several others here - but sheds partisan tears when I criticize democrat voters.

You figure it out.

Captain Obvious
10-17-2014, 09:54 AM
Then why are you so thin skinned about my criticism of dem voters?

a true independent would not care but a stealth dem might.

Thin skinned has nothing to do with it, that's just an ad hom attack on your part.

RW bucket carrying, rhetoric spewing zombies like yourself are dime a dozen. The political IQ factor on this forum is a bit higher than average IMO and when posers like you are here just regurgitating RushBeck talking points and projecting ad hom, it gets old after a while. Not only is nobody impressed, people get annoyed - but that's probably the only reason you're here anyway.

The fact that some of the forum's staunch conservatives are bickering with you says a lot.

Your act is the same old, stale, mundane act that anyone can see anywhere because it doesn't take much to do.

texan
10-17-2014, 09:56 AM
No doubt they are both full of crap, so why send them anymore money than we have to send? The best way to stop them is stop putting democrats in because they just want more and more and more and nothing changes. Not to mention they are hurting business forcing corporations overseas, that isthe biggest travesty.

Mac-7
10-17-2014, 09:58 AM
Thin skinned has nothing to do with it, that's just an ad hom attack on your part.

RW bucket carrying, rhetoric spewing zombies like yourself are dime a dozen. The political IQ factor on this forum is a bit higher than average IMO and when posers like you are here just regurgitating RushBeck talking points and projecting ad hom, it gets old after a while. Not only is nobody impressed, people get annoyed - but that's probably the only reason you're here anyway.

The fact that some of the forum's staunch conservatives are bickering with you says a lot.

Your act is the same old, stale, mundane act that anyone can see anywhere because it doesn't take much to do.


I'm flattered to have been noticed by the head vampire of the stealth democrats.

But your partisanship is even more Obvious than theirs.

GrassrootsConservative
10-17-2014, 09:58 AM
Can anyone debate what I said? Republicans and Democrats are both big-government Liberals as the OP shows, spending, federalism, dependency, where do we get off the train of Liberalism and back to Conservatism so people can learn to be free and independent and tolerant again?

Chris
10-17-2014, 09:58 AM
No doubt they are both full of crap, so why send them anymore money than we have to send? The best way to stop them is stop putting democrats in because they just want more and more and more and nothing changes. Not to mention they are hurting business forcing corporations overseas, that isthe biggest travesty.

Agree, stop voting for either of them. Vote 3rd party. Or don't vote at all.

Captain Obvious
10-17-2014, 09:59 AM
Can anyone debate what I said? Republicans and Democrats are both big-government Liberals as the OP shows, spending, federalism, dependency, where do we get off the train of Liberalism and back to Conservatism so people can learn to be free and independent and tolerant again?

No debate here.

Mac-7
10-17-2014, 10:00 AM
Can anyone debate what I said? Republicans and Democrats are both big-government Liberals as the OP shows, spending, federalism, dependency, where do we get off the train of Liberalism and back to Conservatism so people can learn to be free and independent and tolerant again?


I already have have disputed what you said.

the republican base is conservative and wants smaller government.

Chris
10-17-2014, 10:01 AM
Can anyone debate what I said? Republicans and Democrats are both big-government Liberals as the OP shows, spending, federalism, dependency, where do we get off the train of Liberalism and back to Conservatism so people can learn to be free and independent and tolerant again?

Doesn't seem anyone can debate that. I think Reps and Dems generally have different values, perhaps even different ideals and ideas. But both try to force their thinking on others through government, or through illogical emotionalist arguments.

Captain Obvious
10-17-2014, 10:01 AM
I already have have disputed what you said.

the republican base is conservative and wants smaller government.

So they nominated Mitt just to prove that then.

:biglaugh:

What a fucking joke.

Chris
10-17-2014, 10:02 AM
I already have have disputed what you said.

the republican base is conservative and wants smaller government.


No it's not and no it doesn't. That^^ is just typical Republican propaganda.

Mac-7
10-17-2014, 10:03 AM
Agree, stop voting for either of them. Vote 3rd party. Or don't vote at all.

Ill say it again even though it is sure to enrage the stealth dems on this board.

but democrat voters are too dependent on government to abandon their party.

All voting 3rd party does is split the opposition to the democrats.

Mac-7
10-17-2014, 10:04 AM
So they nominated Mitt just to prove that then.

What a $#@!ing joke.

Romney was not my first choice but he would have been a better president than Obama.

Captain Obvious
10-17-2014, 10:12 AM
Romney was not my first choice but he would have been a better president than Obama.

No, he was the GOP's first choice.

Wait... I though you 'were the GOP'?

:biglaugh:

I love it when people just step in shit then track it all over their living rooms.

Cigar
10-17-2014, 10:15 AM
Romney was not my first choice but he would have been a better president than Obama.

Well he Lost by more than 5 Million Votes ... so get the Fuck over it

From what I recall ... he got a poetic 47% of the Vote :laugh:

Mac-7
10-17-2014, 10:15 AM
No, he was the GOP's first choice.

Wait... I though you 'were the GOP'?



I'm an adult who understands that in the real would we can't always get our way.

romney was better than Obama.

Cigar
10-17-2014, 10:16 AM
I'm an adult who understands that in the real would we can't always get our way.

romney was better than Obama.

We'll NEVER know :grin:

Mac-7
10-17-2014, 10:17 AM
Well he Lost by more than 5 Million Votes ... so get the $#@! over it

From what I recall ... he got a poetic 47% of the Vote :laugh:

Yes, about the number of people who depend on government and are dependable democrat voters while the small government voters fight among themselves.

Cigar
10-17-2014, 10:19 AM
Yes, about the number of people who depend on government and are dependable democrat voters while the small government voters fight among themselves.

Hey DS ... Mitt got the 47% :laugh:

Captain Obvious
10-17-2014, 10:22 AM
I'm an adult who understands that in the real would we can't always get our way.

romney was better than Obama.

You had me at 'adult'.

:biglaugh:

Mac-7
10-17-2014, 10:23 AM
Hey DS ... Mitt got the 47% :laugh:

There are also some Americans left who do not depend on government and the democrats to take care of them.

they are called republicans .

so there are two 47% out there.

Chris
10-17-2014, 10:24 AM
Ill say it again even though it is sure to enrage the stealth dems on this board.

but democrat voters are too dependent on government to abandon their party.

All voting 3rd party does is split the opposition to the democrats.

I agree Dems depend on govertment, but so do Reps, no difference.

A vote for the Donkephant is a vote for big government.

Mac-7
10-17-2014, 10:24 AM
You had me at 'adult'.

:biglaugh:

I know.

you can't argue with my logic so you have on childish personal insults to fall back on.

Chris
10-17-2014, 10:25 AM
What logic, mac?

Captain Obvious
10-17-2014, 10:26 AM
I know.

you can't argue with my logic so you have on childish personal insults to fall back on.

Hey - it's your soap, your political dick and you go ahead and wash it as fast as you want, champ!

Mac-7
10-17-2014, 10:27 AM
I agree Dems depend on govertment, but so do Reps, no difference.

A vote for the Donkephant is a vote for big government.

Meaning that in your world only Chris and two other people want smaller government.

and they are voting 3rd party.

Mac-7
10-17-2014, 10:28 AM
Hey - it's your soap, your political dick and you go ahead and wash it as fast as you want, champ!

Like I said.

your ideas are weak so you have to attack me instead.

Chris
10-17-2014, 10:56 AM
Meaning that in your world only Chris and two other people want smaller government.

and they are voting 3rd party.


The GOP pays lip service to small government libertarianism right up to convention time and then shuts them out the way it did Ron Paul.

Mac-7
10-17-2014, 10:57 AM
What logic, mac?

Logic that drives your soulmate to make personal insults about me.

Chris
10-17-2014, 11:17 AM
Logic that drives your soulmate to make personal insults about me.

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Mac-7
10-17-2014, 11:23 AM
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I see see that common sense isn't the only 3rd party type who gets their information from the Comedy Channel.

Common
10-17-2014, 11:31 AM
The ageless tug of war the Right against the Left, the republicans against the Democrats. The real truth is they are one and the same and they pull our chains at will to get what they want for themselves.

Imho libertarians are the worst of both of them and for me being an independent. I choose whichever I believe is best for the most americans. Yep I flip back and forth, no one party can rely on my votes.

Mac-7
10-17-2014, 11:47 AM
Yep I flip back and forth, no one party can rely on my votes.

Do you ever manage to pick the winning side?

nathanbforrest45
10-17-2014, 12:03 PM
are you a dem?

He is whatever the far left calls itself in Canada.

nathanbforrest45
10-17-2014, 12:09 PM
I already have have disputed what you said.

the republican base is conservative and wants smaller government.

I don't think so anymore. Everyone wants to cut spending as long as its on your projects. Changing the president will not change this, changing the congress will not change this. The only way this will ever be changed is with a fundamental sea change in the overall thinking of the voter. And truthfully, I don't see that happening anytime soon.

This is the downfall of the idea of a democracy without a philosophical base geared to capitalism and small government. Personally I think the country is doomed and we will just be a footnote in history in another generation.

Chris
10-17-2014, 12:09 PM
I see see that common sense isn't the only 3rd party type who gets their information from the Comedy Channel.

You're to be taken seriously?

Mac-7
10-17-2014, 12:11 PM
He is whatever the far left calls itself in Canada.

So I have been told.

nathanbforrest45
10-17-2014, 12:13 PM
We'll NEVER know :grin:


He certainly wouldn't have been worse, that would be physically impossible.

Your hero is well on his way to destroying this country and its exceptionalism. With another Socialist Democrat in office we will be another England or Argentina. Another 50 years and we will be another Rome basking in our past glories, eating dog dung and wearing turbans and burka's

Chris
10-17-2014, 12:13 PM
He is whatever the far left calls itself in Canada.

He said earlier he's liberal.

nathanbforrest45
10-17-2014, 12:17 PM
He said earlier he's liberal.


Yes, I know that. I was unsure if Mac knew he was a Canadian Liberal and therefore not a Republican or Democrat or even Third Party, unless he is claiming some sort of American Citizenship and the right to vote in our elections.

Bob
10-17-2014, 12:20 PM
Not pissed. Dems are full of $#@! and so are Reps. Not credible for their unfounded, contradictory, ridiculous positions.

I don't blame the republicans.

First, I blame Democrats and let me explain why.

They gave the gifts away. They stole cash from the public then handed it to the public whom did not lose the cash to begin with. (Era of FDR during the 1930's era)

Now, you become the public. You know the Democrats gave you trillions of dollars in gifts. They admit they did it and even proudly claim it came from the rich.

What the hell are republicans supposed to do to counter that?

Tell the public the money they collect was stolen from a group of humans merely because they were big earners? And upon Death, the rich got hit over and over.

What the hell can republicans promise the public who votes for candidates when the fight is over taking from the rich?

Nobody would tell me, unless you are a democrat, that you can open the doors to a rich mans home and go in and take his cash. How can representatives do it then?

Though the Constitution says congress can levy taxes, until 1913, they never could legally take from incomes. It was taxes like property taxes.

I get sick of the Democrats getting away with wholesale theft but the public refusing to vote for Republicans merely because they want gifts is theft by Democrats and by the public for wanting those gifts.

My god, can republicans actually get elected and not offer such free gifts?

Know why 3rd parties fail? They do not offer gifts.

It is the public that is messed up so badly.

Who gave them the idea they are entitled to cash earned by others?

I blame it on FDR to be frank.

Chris
10-17-2014, 12:26 PM
I don't blame the republicans.

First, I blame Democrats and let me explain why.

They gave the gifts away. They stole cash from the public then handed it to the public whom did not lose the cash to begin with. (Era of FDR during the 1930's era)

Now, you become the public. You know the Democrats gave you trillions of dollars in gifts. They admit they did it and even proudly claim it came from the rich.

What the hell are republicans supposed to do to counter that?

Tell the public the money they collect was stolen from a group of humans merely because they were big earners? And upon Death, the rich got hit over and over.

What the hell can republicans promise the public who votes for candidates when the fight is over taking from the rich?

Nobody would tell me, unless you are a democrat, that you can open the doors to a rich mans home and go in and take his cash. How can representatives do it then?

Though the Constitution says congress can levy taxes, until 1913, they never could legally take from incomes. It was taxes like property taxes.

I get sick of the Democrats getting away with wholesale theft but the public refusing to vote for Republicans merely because they want gifts is theft by Democrats and by the public for wanting those gifts.

My god, can republicans actually get elected and not offer such free gifts?

Know why 3rd parties fail? They do not offer gifts.

It is the public that is messed up so badly.

Who gave them the idea they are entitled to cash earned by others?

I blame it on FDR to be frank.

Of course you don't blame Reps, you are a Rep.

Chris
10-17-2014, 12:28 PM
Not pissed. Dems are full of $#@! and so are Reps. Not credible for their unfounded, contradictory, ridiculous positions.

Copied from a quote of me, revealing filtered shit.

Yikes! Didn't realize shit was a cuss word that would be filtered.

What about shite?

Chris
10-17-2014, 12:29 PM
Yes, I know that. I was unsure if Mac knew he was a Canadian Liberal and therefore not a Republican or Democrat or even Third Party, unless he is claiming some sort of American Citizenship and the right to vote in our elections.

Yea, no problem. Mac like to tell people what they think and what they are despite being told otherwise.

Mac-7
10-17-2014, 12:35 PM
I don't think so anymore. Everyone wants to cut spending as long as its on your projects.

Most republicans are willing to cut spending as long as all the cuts are not out of their hide.

But the only way that is possible is to cut democrst programs equally which libs are not willing to do.

Mac-7
10-17-2014, 12:39 PM
Yea, no problem. Mac like to tell people what they think and what they are despite being told otherwise.

He's still one of yours in spirit even if he can't (legally) vote in our elections.

Bob
10-17-2014, 12:40 PM
http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Bob http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://thepoliticalforums.com/showthread.php?p=800114#post800114)
I don't blame the republicans.

First, I blame Democrats and let me explain why.

They gave the gifts away. They stole cash from the public then handed it to the public whom did not lose the cash to begin with. (Era of FDR during the 1930's era)

Now, you become the public. You know the Democrats gave you trillions of dollars in gifts. They admit they did it and even proudly claim it came from the rich.

What the hell are republicans supposed to do to counter that?

Tell the public the money they collect was stolen from a group of humans merely because they were big earners? And upon Death, the rich got hit over and over.

What the hell can republicans promise the public who votes for candidates when the fight is over taking from the rich?

Nobody would tell me, unless you are a democrat, that you can open the doors to a rich mans home and go in and take his cash. How can representatives do it then?

Though the Constitution says congress can levy taxes, until 1913, they never could legally take from incomes. It was taxes like property taxes.

I get sick of the Democrats getting away with wholesale theft but the public refusing to vote for Republicans merely because they want gifts is theft by Democrats and by the public for wanting those gifts.

My god, can republicans actually get elected and not offer such free gifts?

Know why 3rd parties fail? They do not offer gifts.

It is the public that is messed up so badly.

Who gave them the idea they are entitled to cash earned by others?

I blame it on FDR to be frank.


Of course you don't blame Reps, you are a Rep.

I thought I made it clear. Go back to 1930. Following FDR, republicans had zero power. They did not have the presidency from 1932 until the early 50s. They did not hold the congress.

You would have loved their promises back then but they could never win an election.

They finally won the presidency but not the full congress. Even with promises of the past (the former plank)

For decades, the Republican party was no better than merely a 3rd party group.

What were the lessons to be learned of several decades of public gifts to a lot of people that came from the rich? What were the school kids learning?

See, I remember all of that. I don't think you do or perhaps you don't know the lessons learned by republicans.

I blame the Democrats for the social concept, steal from the rich and hand it to the lower groups. It wins votes.

When big government is paid for by the rich, why would you care? That is the message taught by democrats.

Chris
10-17-2014, 12:58 PM
Bob, just consider last time we faced a fiscal cliff and government shut down. Dems want to increase the rate of spending, Reps decrease it some, they compromised by decreasing the rate of increasing it by what a percentage or two. They both voted to increase spending. They both legislate increased regulation of the minutest of our private lives. They are both full of shite.

nic34
10-17-2014, 01:00 PM
He is whatever the far left calls itself in Canada.

anything left of attila the hun is FAR left to you....

Kurmugeon
10-17-2014, 01:09 PM
Not pissed. Dems are full of $#@! and so are Reps. Not credible for their unfounded, contradictory, ridiculous positions.

In the end, you'll still have to pick between one evil or the other.

Obama and crew have made it clear who is lesser of two evils.

I am still a registered Democrat. I will most likely never vote for another Democrat candidate.

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nic34
10-17-2014, 01:16 PM
Bob, just consider last time we faced a fiscal cliff and government shut down. Dems want to increase the rate of spending, Reps decrease it some, they compromised by decreasing the rate of increasing it by what a percentage or two. They both voted to increase spending. They both legislate increased regulation of the minutest of our private lives. They are both full of $#@!e.

But some want to think starting over and going with a brand new philosophy is as easy as throwing that credit card away and telling everyone they owe that it's too bad, you shouldn't have trusted us.

Mac-7
10-17-2014, 01:21 PM
In the end, you'll still have to pick between one evil or the other.

Obama and crew have made it clear who is lesser of two evils.

I am still a registered Democrat. I will most likely never vote for another Democrat candidate.

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Chris has already chosen the evil he prefers.

in 2016 its the cookie lady, Hillary Clinton.

Chris
10-17-2014, 01:24 PM
In the end, you'll still have to pick between one evil or the other.

Obama and crew have made it clear who is lesser of two evils.

I am still a registered Democrat. I will most likely never vote for another Democrat candidate.

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No, don't have to pick. One can vote 3rd party. Or, like me, walk away and not vote at all.

Chris
10-17-2014, 01:26 PM
Chris has already chosen the evil he prefers.

in 2016 its the cookie lady, Hillary Clinton.


It's one thing to try and put words in my mouth, mac, it's another to blatantly lie like you have now. You're pathetic.

Mac-7
10-17-2014, 01:28 PM
It's one thing to try and put words in my mouth, mac, it's another to blatantly lie like you have now. You're pathetic.

You know why I say that.

hillary will turn out a predictable number of democrat party zombies.

if the repub doesn't win Hillary will.

You are going to stand aside and let Hillary win.

Chris
10-17-2014, 01:32 PM
You know why I say that.

hillary will turn out a predictable number of democrat party zombies.

if the repub doesn't win Hillary will.

You are going to stand aside and let Hillary win.


No, I don't know why people have the need to lie. And no, your illogic doesn't cover up your lie.

Common
10-17-2014, 01:44 PM
Do you ever manage to pick the winning side?

No one ever wins, I dont choose to win personally at this stage of the game. Im fine till I check off this planet. I choose by what I believe is best for the country. Not best for a particular group. Its hard, because they mostly all change once elected.

Common
10-17-2014, 01:48 PM
Most republicans are willing to cut spending as long as all the cuts are not out of their hide.

But the only way that is possible is to cut democrst programs equally which libs are not willing to do.


They only want to cut anything and everyting for the middleclass and poor. Perfect examples.

They vote to cut food stamps
They vote to stop unemployment exts
They vote against any raise in the minimum wage.

They fight like dogs to keep subsidies for Industries that have never had a losing quarter ever

Big Oil, Big Pharmaceuticals and Big Corporate Farms.

The GOP is willing to cut anything except anything from the rich and corporate america. The GOP IMHO is full of malarkey

Redrose
10-17-2014, 01:54 PM
No, don't have to pick. One can vote 3rd party. Or, like me, walk away and not vote at all.


Worst possible thing you can do. Your vote is precious, use it, but use it wisely.

To those who do not vote, keep your opinion to yourself. If you forfeit your right to vote, you forfeit the right to b**ch.

Chris
10-17-2014, 01:54 PM
One reason I like this forum is one can truly be non-partisan if not anti-partisan and there's enough of us around to deal with the partisans. A decade or so ago this would not have been possible. That makes it kind of fun to watch partisans like mac and common go at it, one lying, the other frantic, in their partisanship.

Chris
10-17-2014, 01:56 PM
Worst possible thing you can do. Your vote is precious, use it, but use it wisely.

To those who do not vote, keep your opinion to yourself. If you forfeit your right to vote, you forfeit the right to b**ch.

I've pretty much lost faith in politics as a solution and have turned pessimistic if not cynical about it.

Votomng xis not the only way to participate.

PolWatch
10-17-2014, 02:12 PM
my vote has absolutely no impact in national elections. The repub party could run Attila the Hun in a KKK sheet & Alabama would vote for him in an overwhelming majority. I'm thinking of voting for Matalese for president in 2016.

Chris
10-17-2014, 02:13 PM
Write in for Matalese!!

Mac-7
10-17-2014, 02:15 PM
They only want to cut anything and everyting for the middleclass and poor. Perfect examples.

They vote to cut food stamps
They vote to stop unemployment exts
They vote against any raise in the minimum wage.

They fight like dogs to keep subsidies for Industries that have never had a losing quarter ever

Big Oil, Big Pharmaceuticals and Big Corporate Farms.

The GOP is willing to cut anything except anything from the rich and corporate america. The GOP IMHO is full of malarkey

Republicans want to cut welfare because we believe it needs to be cut.

Democrats only want to cut the military while taxing corporations and the wealthy out the wazoo.

most repubs would support balanced cut that reduce every corner of the federal budget equally.

Does that sound crazy to you?

PolWatch
10-17-2014, 02:20 PM
When I hear how the repub want to cut spending, eliminate pork, I always think of this:

The Gravina Island Bridge, commonly referred to as the "Bridge to Nowhere", was a proposed bridge to replace the ferry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketchikan_International_Airport_Ferry) that currently connects the town of Ketchikan, Alaska (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketchikan,_Alaska), United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States), with Gravina Island (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravina_Island), an island that contains the Ketchikan International Airport (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketchikan_International_Airport) as well as 50 residents. The bridge was projected to cost $398 million. Members of the Alaskan congressional delegation, particularly Representative Don Young (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Young) and Senator Ted Stevens (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Stevens), were the bridge's biggest advocates in Congress, and helped push for federal funding.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravina_Island_Bridge#cite_note-1) The project encountered fierce opposition outside of Alaska as a symbol of pork barrel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pork_barrel) spending and is labeled as one of the more prominent "bridges to nowhere (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridge_to_Nowhere)".[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravina_Island_Bridge#cite_note-2) As a result, Congress (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Congress) removed the federal earmark (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earmark_(politics)) for the bridge in 2005.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravina_Island_Bridge#cite_note-Tumble-3) Funding for the "Bridge to Nowhere" has continued as of March 2, 2011, in the passing of H.R. 662: Surface Transportation Extension Act of 2011[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravina_Island_Bridge#cite_note-HR662-4)[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravina_Island_Bridge#cite_note-HR662_Roll_Call_Votes-5)[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravina_Island_Bridge#cite_note-Motion_to_Recommit_with_Instructions-6) by the House of Representatives. (wiki)

Please note, it still seems to be on track, even with the repubs still bragging about cutting out pork....

Mac-7
10-17-2014, 02:21 PM
I've pretty much lost faith in politics as a solution and have turned pessimistic if not cynical about it.

Votomng xis not the only way to participate.

Then why are you here?

all you do is complain and sneer at those who do care about our future.

Chris
10-17-2014, 02:52 PM
Then why are you here?

all you do is complain and sneer at those who do care about our future.


To talk politics. Try it some time.

Chris
10-17-2014, 02:53 PM
When I hear how the repub want to cut spending, eliminate pork, I always think of this:

The Gravina Island Bridge, commonly referred to as the "Bridge to Nowhere", was a proposed bridge to replace the ferry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketchikan_International_Airport_Ferry) that currently connects the town of Ketchikan, Alaska (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketchikan,_Alaska), United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States), with Gravina Island (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravina_Island), an island that contains the Ketchikan International Airport (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketchikan_International_Airport) as well as 50 residents. The bridge was projected to cost $398 million. Members of the Alaskan congressional delegation, particularly Representative Don Young (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Young) and Senator Ted Stevens (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Stevens), were the bridge's biggest advocates in Congress, and helped push for federal funding.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravina_Island_Bridge#cite_note-1) The project encountered fierce opposition outside of Alaska as a symbol of pork barrel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pork_barrel) spending and is labeled as one of the more prominent "bridges to nowhere (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridge_to_Nowhere)".[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravina_Island_Bridge#cite_note-2) As a result, Congress (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Congress) removed the federal earmark (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earmark_(politics)) for the bridge in 2005.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravina_Island_Bridge#cite_note-Tumble-3) Funding for the "Bridge to Nowhere" has continued as of March 2, 2011, in the passing of H.R. 662: Surface Transportation Extension Act of 2011[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravina_Island_Bridge#cite_note-HR662-4)[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravina_Island_Bridge#cite_note-HR662_Roll_Call_Votes-5)[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravina_Island_Bridge#cite_note-Motion_to_Recommit_with_Instructions-6) by the House of Representatives. (wiki)

Please note, it still seems to be on track, even with the repubs still bragging about cutting out pork....


Exactly. Bush spent like a drunken sailor.

Mac-7
10-17-2014, 02:58 PM
To talk politics. Try it some time.

Talking to you about politics is useless since you don't vote.

Chris
10-17-2014, 03:08 PM
And yet here I am talking politics day in day out. Like I said, try it some time. You'r repetitive talking points don't cut it.

donttread
10-18-2014, 08:34 AM
Couple this post with a similar one pointing out the dems hypocrisy on little things like WAR , corporate welfare and spying on the people and you can begin to see the truth about Washington