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eninn
05-19-2012, 09:52 AM
Women's rights in Islam

Islam gave women rights and privileges at a time when only barbaric manners and values dominated.
Yet, some people argue that Islam has alienated women in some domains. In fact, this belief is a misconception. People who say so, may have read about it in a magazine or seen it on TV. A quick examination of the issues judged as unjust to women will certainly correct the misunderstanding.


Man as the head of the household:

Some people believe that a woman in Islam is regarded as inferior to man since the Quran says (what means):"Men have one degree above women." [Quran 2: 228]



In the Quran it also says (what means): "Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allaah has given the one more than the other and because men support them from their means." [Quran 4:34]

This verse implies that it is a man's duty to support his wife, and not the reverse, but this, in no way, makes him superior to her.

In fact, the rights and responsibilities of a woman are equal to those of a man but they are not necessarily identical. Since men and women are not created identical, they have different physical and emotional qualities, jobs and privileges. This does not mean that women are inferior.

On the contrary, women are considered crucial members of society in Islam since they are assigned the job of bringing up future generations. People today tend to look down at housewives but, in fact, raising children is one of the most important and difficult tasks. The way a mother brings up her child determines the way he will behave in the future. This duty, which requires patience, love, understanding and wisdom was significantly assigned to women in Islam because her nature suits this job.

Allaah The Exalted, in His Wisdom, has assigned a role for each member of the family so that there would be no arguments concerning who should do what. If a sailboat has two leaders, each will want to follow a path, leading ultimately to chaos and even a crash. In the same manner, how many times have your parents fought over some decision because each had their own point of view and wanted to apply it? This is precisely why it is preferable to have one leader for each household. However, this does not give the leader the right to be a dictator, or to neglect the role of his companion. This does not make him superior to other members of his family. It just gives him a larger duty.

Inheritance:

Some people claim that Islam is unjust towards women because it entitles them to inherit half of what men get. In fact, those people only know one side of the truth.

First, the principle of women inheriting half the money is only applicable in 45 percent of the cases. In the other 55 percent, women inherit the same amount or sometimes even more. For example, a mother and a father each inherit the sixth of their son's property when they are not the only inheritors.

In addition, the laws of inheritance in Islam are proportional to the duties of spending. Indeed, a man in Islam has the responsibility of supporting his family, his brother's children (when his brother dies), his parents (when they retire and do not have an income), his children from his previous marriage (if he has them) and his household, including his wife and children. A woman, on the other hand, does not bear this responsibility. She has the freedom to use the money she collects from her dowry or work as she pleases.

You might object here, saying that women today are working and helping their husbands pay the expenses, which entitles them to share equality with men. In fact, you should know that women's economic assistance to their husbands, which has become the norm today, is only an answer to the femalesí wishes. Islam does not oblige women to spend on their households. It is a free choice many women have themselves taken today to feel more liberated, so it does not entitle them to a bigger portion of the inheritance.

Polygyny:

Polygyny is one of the most questioned principles that Islam grants men and women. Indeed, many people wrongfully accuse Islam of injustice because it allows a man to have up to four wives. Nevertheless, like every instruction in the Quran, polygyny has a reason. You see, Islam is a practical religion that acknowledges the needs and temptations of human beings and provides laws that deal with them, thus preserving harmony and morality.

- Polygyny might be the solution for a couple if the wife is barren, the husband wants children of his own and the option of separation does not appeal to both parties.

- If a woman is chronically ill and is unable to perform her marital duties. Polygyny may also be the solution when the couple does not want divorce.

- Polygyny is the religion's answer to cases where some men have excessive sexual needs that cannot be fulfilled by one wife. This in no way means that men should abuse this right and use it whenever they fancy a woman. It is rather a chance Islam has provided to prevent men from committing adultery. Many people who condemn polygyny cheat on their wives, calling this phenomenon a 'swift affair.' Islam, at least, has offered the second woman the option of being called 'a wife' rather than 'a mistress', especially in some countries where women remarkably outnumber men.

- Polygyny may settle the problem of an increased number of unmarried women, especially during wars.

However, polygyny has some limits and conditions to be met. Indeed, the Quran instructs the man to be fair with his wives on all levels, including treatment, money, house, etc. The only level where the man may have an uneven stance is the level of the feelings that he cannot control:

The Quran says (what means): "You will never be able to do perfect justice between wives even if it is your ardent desire, so do not incline too much to one of them [by giving her more of your time and provision] so as to leave the other hanging [i.e. neither divorced nor married]. And if you do justice, and do all that is right and fear Allaah by keeping away from all that is wrong, then Allaah is Ever-Forgiving and All-Merciful." [Quran 4:129]

Finally, it is worth knowing that Islam gives a woman the right to refuse polygyny for her husband by setting it as a condition during the marriage procedures. If this condition is set, then the woman is granted divorce if her husband marries another while he is still married to her.

You might ask, why could not there be polyandry (a woman having more than one husband)? The answer is simple. Islam did not allow it because Allaah is All-Aware that it will create a problem of kinship. This means that the child may not know who is actually his father (it could be anyone of the four husbands). In addition to the psychological damage it may cause, this problem also complicates the issue of inheritance. Even birds and animals do not allow polyandry.





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Ahmed Deedat أروع مناظرة لأحمد ديدات youtube

eninn
05-19-2012, 09:53 AM
This is the status of women in Islam; where terrestrial systems of systems of Islam just heavenly, Terrestrial systems does not sponsor women's dignity, since disowned the father of his daughter, while the age of eighteen years or less; to go out wandering on her face

Islam has honored women, and make it honorable man unlike systems that prepared the source of sin, and take away their right to ownership and responsibility, and makes them live in humiliation and contempt, and prepared by the unclean creature?.

Islam has honored women on the reverse of making women a commodity trading her body in propaganda and advertising?.
Islam has honored women in contrast to systems that are transmitted to swear allegiance to a deal to marry a wife; to be a property of the husband? Some even held their synagogues; to consider the fact whether it is women and the spirit of human beings or not? !.

Thus we see that Muslim women in worldly terms happy with her family in the confines of her parents, and care for her husband, her children, whether dander in the event of her childhood, or youth, or Hermha, and if their poverty or richness, or her health or her illness.

If there is shortening of the right of women in some Muslim countries, or of some to associate Islam - he is a failure because of ignorance, and distance from the application of the laws of religion, and the burden in on the mistake and religion is unconnected with the consequences of those shortcomings.
The remedy for that error can only be by reference to the guidance of Islam and its teachings; for the treatment of error.

The Western civilization can hardly know anything of such meanings, but look at the women look purely material, you see that hijab and chastity backwardness and reactionary, and it must be a puppet of tampering with every fallen; That is the secret of happiness for them.



Is it the means of education, culture, wear tight clothes and transparent and short?!.
Then any dignity when placed belles images in advertising and promotions?!
Why not promote them, but the beautiful Belle, if exhausted past her beauty and her adornment and threw neglected like any other machine that has expired? !.

And share a few beauty of this civilization? And the share of elderly mother, and grandmother, the old man?.
The share at best be in shelters, and the role of the infirm and the elderly; where visited and ask them.
And may have a share of the pension, or the like, shall devour him until you die; the womb is not there, and no link does not close the Crown.

The women in Islam, the more advanced age of increased respect for, and the greatness of its right, and compete with her children and relatives to honor her - as stated above - it does what is it, and who have remained at their children, and grandchildren, and her family, and society

Mister D
05-19-2012, 09:53 AM
Let Muslims live as Muslims wish. I only ask that we live separately.

MMC
05-19-2012, 10:14 AM
Which says nothing of Governmental law by man thru Sovereignty used in and with the Relious Nature of Islam. Subject to that Countries man-made laws.

Do you think modern women of the 21 century are understood better by those physical sciences or the followers of a religion. Time to catch up with the times. First never ever put four women in the same house to live with one. Especially if that one is married to all four. What are you crazy? Got a death sentence? You better have Lions, and Tigers and Bears.....oh my, and thats just so you can sleep and wake up the next morning. :laugh:

Goldie Locks
05-19-2012, 11:06 AM
They have the right to be beaten, mutilated, stoned and beheaded by any male Muslim.

Trinnity
05-19-2012, 03:11 PM
They have to wear those awful burkas, (many, but not all) and aren't allowed to drive. Women's rights....lol~

MMC
05-19-2012, 03:21 PM
They have to wear those awful burkas, (many, but not all) and aren't allowed to drive. Women's rights....lol~

I was waiting to get that. :evil: Especially all those Womens rights in Saudia Arabia. Like not going out in public unless accompanied by a man or a son. Or driving.....or speaking in public. :undecided:

Conley
05-19-2012, 03:22 PM
Makes me angry just to think about how many are oppressed...

Trinnity
05-19-2012, 03:28 PM
I feel sorry for Muslim women. I can't fix it for them.

Captain Obvious
05-19-2012, 09:20 PM
They have to wear those awful burkas, (many, but not all) and aren't allowed to drive. Women's rights....lol~

http://outoftheblu.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/muslimhate128.jpg

Conley
05-19-2012, 09:28 PM
3,2,1,5,4

Goldie Locks
05-20-2012, 06:17 PM
http://outoftheblu.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/muslimhate128.jpg



Who's who???

MMC
05-20-2012, 06:20 PM
Looks Like the one in the Middle doesnt have chubby hands. :evil:

Conley
05-20-2012, 06:30 PM
This is what happens when you give women freedom and equality:

http://i.imgur.com/0F2sS.jpg

First Mom in Space, Anna Lee Fisher

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Lee_Fisher

Respect!

Goldie Locks
05-20-2012, 06:30 PM
Looks Like the one in the Middle doesnt have chubby hands. :evil:

She has thick ankles though.

Captain Obvious
05-20-2012, 07:01 PM
This is what happens when you give women freedom and equality:

http://i.imgur.com/0F2sS.jpg

First Mom in Space, Anna Lee Fisher

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Lee_Fisher

Respect!

Man, she looks hot.

MILF material.

Conley
05-20-2012, 07:02 PM
She's an AILF :wink:, but I agree it'd be a shame to cover that beauty in a burqa.

MMC
05-20-2012, 07:05 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMMmYDNxl4E&feature=related

These Arab Women Don't like to wear burkas. :wink:

MMC
05-20-2012, 07:11 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQNnBMHgA44&feature=related

This is the one that really gets me going. This must be the top of the line in Afghanistan. The Women they allow to be a Citizens of the World.....huh? Their Hollywood peeps and models, maybe. Has to be a really small crowd.....huh?

Conley
05-20-2012, 07:18 PM
Eninn will not be pleased at the direction this thread has taken. :laugh:

MMC
05-20-2012, 07:43 PM
Well I could have put the video up about the Saudi Woman that was to get ten lashes for driving a car. Although King Abdullah assured everyone in the World. That Saudi Women will get the right to vote and be involved in Shura Councils. Their just not allowed to drive to these meetings. :grin:

eninn
05-21-2012, 11:11 AM
Islam is innocent of
Actions of governments

God says in the Quran

(32) Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land – it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves
one – it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors



Islam respect women
And Muslim women
Comes first
In the life of a Muslim man
Unlike women in the West
Is a cheap commodity
Recognition
Women of the West


- Says Glenda Jackson carrier Oscars awarded by the Queen of Britain and the medal of the highest state medals, which was awarded the British Academy Award, Festival Montreal World says: (The instinct made man is the most powerful and dominant building on to his reasons for the force to make it in the first place, including summed up by the power of God move in life, and extract its resources, it is self-serve when the man that qualify automatically to face the burdens of life, development, and sustained in the areas of life).
B - the U.S. women's leader (Fleche Hlavi) called on women to the need for attention to the husband and children before the job of interest, and must be the husband is the head of the family and the commander of rudderless.
C - In the recent book about the life of English writer famous (Agatha Christie) it is stated as saying: (The women of modern joint-stock; because their position in society is getting worse day by day; we women act act a fool; because we have made the effort over the years; for the right to work and equality in working with men.
And men are not stupid; Hjona has it that advertisers do not mind at all that the working wife and the husband's income has doubled.
It is sad to find that after we proved we women fairer sex weak that we get back in the day to equate effort and sweat, which was awarded to men and alone).
D - says an American psychologist: (Any woman who said: I am sure myself, and went out without censor or kill herself it Haseeb and chastity).


Of women's right to divorce
At any time
From the era of Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him
Gave to the Mirror
The right to divorce from her husband
So far
God says in the Quran



21) And of His signs is that He created for you from yourselves mates that you may find tranquillity in them; and He placed between you affection and mercy. Indeed in that are signs for a people who give thought


(3) And if you fear that you will not deal justly with the orphan girls, then marry those that please you of [other] women, two or three or four. But if you fear that you will not be just, then [marry only] one or those your right hand possesses. That is more suitable that you may not incline [to injustice].



(6) Lodge them [in a section] of where you dwell out of your means and do not harm them in order to oppress them. And if they should be pregnant, then spend on them until they give birth. And if they breastfeed for you, then give them their payment and confer among yourselves in the acceptable way; but if you are in discord, then there may breastfeed for the father another woman


229) Divorce is twice. Then, either keep [her] in an acceptable manner or release [her] with good treatment. And it is not lawful for you to take anything of what you have given them unless both fear that they will not be able to keep [within] the limits of Allah. But if you fear that they will not keep [within] the limits of Allah, then there is no blame upon either of them concerning that by which she ransoms herself. These are the limits of Allah, so do not transgress them. And whoever transgresses the limits of Allah – it is those who are the wrongdoers.


الإسلام و المسيحية........... Islam und Christentum - YouTub

احمد ديدات الزواج و الطلاق فالإسلام - راااااائع - YouTube


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eninn
05-22-2012, 07:52 AM
Thank you for reading topic

MMC
05-22-2012, 08:11 AM
Thank you for reading topic



NP Eninn.....thanks for sharing what you know. Feel free to enlighten us at anytime. Even if we do disagree or don't know of certain things. :wink:

roadmaster
05-22-2012, 12:10 PM
First as a Christian, I donít hate Islam. Why so many hate us is beyond me, we are not your enemies. Yes, we hear of beatings, stoning, and it is not the will of God to take another wife if the one that brought you together cannot have your children. It is also not His will to kill for Him but only to be willing to die for Him. Not all men of Islam treat their wife bad and do protect and provide for her in the way a man should.
We talk about things but even in America women are beaten, rapped, cheated on by some husbands and men in general. We have people over here that think itís ok to have sex with animals, children, and the lawlessness continues. We are also in a generation where some women have no respect for themselves and if I were over in the Middle East and saw many of these things I would also think we were barbaric. Remember a lot of us are not like this and many of you are not either.
You should respect a person that carries a Bible and a true Christian and you will know that person is good by their fruits. As we should also respect and look at their fruits. Yes, we donít have the same beliefs but we should not be killing each other.

eninn
05-22-2012, 02:52 PM
Yes, my dear brother

This indicates that
True Gospel
In a time of Prophet Jesus peace be upon him only

This the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him
Messenger of God
Such as Adam, Noah, Ibrahim Suleiman, David Moses and Aaron, Jacob, Jethro, Joseph and Jesus, peace be upon them

Message of the prophets and one
The Oneness of God - to follow the teachings of God
Such as the prohibition of adultery and drinking alcohol, robbery and murder

Forbidden in a time of Prophet Moses, Jesus and Muhammad peace be upon them

but

True Gospel
Been distorted
Bibles which are now
Edited by humans
All different
The Holy Quran
One copy
Of 1433 year
God prevent
Quran
Of distortion

God wrote
And sent down the Quran to the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him
God says in the Quran
(9) Indeed, it is We who sent down the Qur'an and indeed, We will be its guardian



Stay away from the teachings of God
The cause of the deviation and ignorance
And adultery, drinking alcohol, gambling and murder

You should
Studying the Koran

Now I know you have a problem
Surprise
The surprising result
Exact match between the Holy Qur'an and the Hadith and science

I beseech you to excuse
Throughout your life you hear from the church and the community around the western
Islam on the mistakes

Now you hear the Holy Qur'an and the Hadith
And find fascinating facts and miracles a scientific approach

Feel bewildered

Should know
That Islam is innocent of the actions of governments
And people
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GarQFCjGEfI


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_mkqDj0KBM





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbTHhkySqes

eninn
05-22-2012, 02:57 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_mkqDj0KBM

MMC
05-22-2012, 06:45 PM
Glad you are back Eninn.....Baraka Bashad! May the Blessing Be! :f_zen:

Goldie Locks
05-22-2012, 09:59 PM
First as a Christian, I don’t hate Islam. Why so many hate us is beyond me, we are not your enemies. Yes, we hear of beatings, stoning, and it is not the will of God to take another wife if the one that brought you together cannot have your children. It is also not His will to kill for Him but only to be willing to die for Him. Not all men of Islam treat their wife bad and do protect and provide for her in the way a man should.
We talk about things but even in America women are beaten, rapped, cheated on by some husbands and men in general. We have people over here that think it’s ok to have sex with animals, children, and the lawlessness continues. We are also in a generation where some women have no respect for themselves and if I were over in the Middle East and saw many of these things I would also think we were barbaric. Remember a lot of us are not like this and many of you are not either.
You should respect a person that carries a Bible and a true Christian and you will know that person is good by their fruits. As we should also respect and look at their fruits. Yes, we don’t have the same beliefs but we should not be killing each other.



Tell that to the suicide bombers, the radicals. There is nothing good in the political ideology and religion of Islam. Mosque's are a feeding ground for terrorist recruiting. Even the moderate Muslims will side with the radicals when push comes to shove. The difference between Christianity and Islam is as wide as the Red Sea. Christianity is love, Islam rules with the sword.

roadmaster
05-22-2012, 10:43 PM
Tell that to the suicide bombers, the radicals. There is nothing good in the political ideology and religion of Islam. Mosque's are a feeding ground for terrorist recruiting. Even the moderate Muslims will side with the radicals when push comes to shove. The difference between Christianity and Islam is as wide as the Red Sea. Christianity is love, Islam rules with the sword.

I respect and understand what you are saying. I have friends over there, Dr.s and missionary workers. It is easy for the radicals to portray us as barbaric and when a child is young they will believe we are the enemy. It's dangerous to be there. But they say look this is what Christians do. I was just trying to explain to him they are wrong about us. I have read both and clearly know the differences and yes the way they are taught the moderates will side with the radicals. Don't listen to man, always look at the heart and the fruits beforehand.

eninn
05-23-2012, 08:32 AM
أحمد ديدات يرد على فريه أنتشار الاسلام بحد السيف - YouTube

Goldie Locks
05-23-2012, 08:46 AM
أحمد ديدات يرد على فريه أنتشار الاسلام بحد السيف - YouTube


I have no idea what this is.

Goldie Locks
05-23-2012, 09:08 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oqzb7ikEoU4

roadmaster
05-23-2012, 09:59 AM
I have no idea what this is.


He is talking about Egypt and how many Christians live among them, if they didn’t have compassion then none would be there. Their sword in the ways of Muslims is through wisdom. They believe in Islam and their ways. Christians sword is the Bible and it’s wisdom. To have compassion for all also. True Christians are not liked in America because of our beliefs by non-believers. I understand what this person is saying but Christians and Muslims should not hate or dislike the true ones and we should work together. In fact they are in Britain as we speak. They feel their beliefs are being attacked just like ours are.

You were talking about the sword and he answered you.

Goldie Locks
05-23-2012, 10:18 AM
He is talking about Egypt and how many Christians live among them, if they didn’t have compassion then none would be there. Their sword in the ways of Muslims is through wisdom. They believe in Islam and their ways. Christians sword is the Bible and it’s wisdom. To have compassion for all also. True Christians are not liked in America because of our beliefs by non-believers. I understand what this person is saying but Christians and Muslims should not hate or dislike the true ones and we should work together. In fact they are in Britain as we speak. They feel their beliefs are being attacked just like ours are.

You were talking about the sword and he answered you.


Sorry, I don't do Arabic.

This thread was about Women's rights in Islam...watch the video, if you want to know the truth.

Conley
05-23-2012, 10:23 AM
أحمد ديدات يرد على فريه أنتشار الاسلام بحد السيف - YouTube

I'm guessing this was supposed to be a video but it didn't get linked properly.

roadmaster
05-23-2012, 10:30 AM
I'm guessing this was supposed to be a video but it didn't get linked properly.




http://youtu.be/OBumxT4jgkY


Try the English version

Conley
05-23-2012, 10:33 AM
Thanks - can you read Arabic? How did you know that was it?

Goldie Locks
05-23-2012, 10:48 AM
Thanks - can you read Arabic? How did you know that was it?


I got it too by just pasting and coping to youtube.

This guy Ahmed Deedat is known as violently anti-western, antisemitic and inciting racial hate.

roadmaster
05-23-2012, 10:49 AM
Thanks - can you read Arabic? How did you know that was it?

Not much, but that's it.

roadmaster
05-23-2012, 10:52 AM
I got it too by just pasting and coping to youtube.

This guy Ahmed Deedat is known as violently anti-western, antisemitic and inciting to racial hate.

I couldn't get it by his either but I know the man he is talking about.

MMC
05-23-2012, 10:53 AM
Where is D-Swami.....I would like to see what he has to say concerning this Letting Jeanie Outta of the Bottle.

Goldie Locks
05-23-2012, 10:55 AM
I couldn't get it by his either but I know the man he is talking about.


Sorry, I don't understand what you are saying. The guy in the video IS Ahmed Deedat. He's anti-western, antisemitic and incites racial hatred.

roadmaster
05-23-2012, 10:57 AM
Sorry, I don't understand what you are saying. The guy in the video IS Ahmed Deedat. He's anti-western, antisemitic and incites racial hatred.

Yes Ahmed Deedat. I watch him and also read their newspapers.

roadmaster
05-23-2012, 11:00 AM
Sorry, I don't understand what you are saying. The guy in the video IS Ahmed Deedat. He's anti-western, antisemitic and incites racial hatred.

I meant I couldn't get it by his link but knew the man he was talking about.

roadmaster
05-23-2012, 11:10 AM
Sorry, I don't do Arabic.

This thread was about Women's rights in Islam...watch the video, if you want to know the truth.

I am not disagreeing with you. Just last year in Canada and they are trying here to change our laws to fit theirs. A man wanted to bring in a 14 year old as a wife in Canada and was fighting because of their beliefs which it is against the law in Canada. Will Canada cave, who knows. They want their own courts here.

Goldie Locks
05-23-2012, 11:20 AM
I am not disagreeing with you. Just last year in Canada and they are trying here to change our laws to fit theirs. A man wanted to bring in a 14 year old as a wife in Canada and was fighting because of their beliefs which it is against the law in Canada. Will Canada cave, who knows. They want their own courts here.

They want their own courts everywhere. They want a Caliphate.

roadmaster
05-23-2012, 11:44 AM
They want their own courts everywhere. They want a Caliphate.

The world is changing right before our eyes. If you watch other countries and yes Canada and others already allows them to have their own family court system. America allows young men to join girl scouts and bunk with them. Another country puts pedophiles on disability instead of jail and the list goes on. Free countries are becoming weak in the name of tolerance.

I guess in a way I understand this man even though we have different faiths and are completely different. Do I hate him, no.

Do you understand what I am saying?

Goldie Locks
05-23-2012, 11:49 AM
The world is changing right before our eyes. If you watch other countries and yes Canada and others already allows them to have their own family court system. America allows young men to join girl scouts and bunk with them. Another country puts pedophiles on disability instead of jail and the list goes on. Free countries are becoming weak in the name of tolerance.

I guess in a way I understand this man even though we have different faiths and are completely different. Do I hate him, no.

Do you understand what I am saying?

Sorry, I don't. The world is going to hell in a hand basket and listening to someone like him doesn't improve the situation.

roadmaster
05-23-2012, 01:59 PM
Sorry, I don't. The world is going to hell in a hand basket and listening to someone like him doesn't improve the situation.

That's fine but I like to understand why people think the way they do. I also want to be informed on what's coming next.

roadmaster
05-24-2012, 10:23 PM
Oh yea ennin please don't stop posting. I know some great Muslim Drs. here and they are very respectable to their wife and children.

eninn
05-25-2012, 12:50 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJcLiRur9l4

roadmaster
05-25-2012, 01:26 PM
Great post eninn. We too are labeled racist for our beliefs but Christians come in all races also. If we say that marriage to us is between a man and a woman we are labeled racist here.

Sultan
05-27-2012, 03:44 AM
They want their own courts everywhere. They want a Caliphate.

I'm really curious to know what you actually know about Sharia?

Sultan
05-27-2012, 03:47 AM
I have no idea what this is.
so how can you have an opinion on Islam then if you cannot read Arabic and read the Quran?

MMC
05-27-2012, 06:29 AM
I'm really curious to know what you actually know about Sharia?

I guess the same can be said to you.....what do you know about Sharia Law. Oh, and lets start from the very beginning of Sharia. You know, that way long before Islam ever came about.

Sultan
05-28-2012, 04:53 AM
I guess the same can be said to you.....what do you know about Sharia Law. Oh, and lets start from the very beginning of Sharia. You know, that way long before Islam ever came about.

Well let me help you here.

1st Lesson

There is not such thing as 'Sharia Law'

Do you know why?

MMC
05-28-2012, 05:53 AM
Well let me help you here.

1st Lesson

There is not such thing as 'Sharia Law'

Do you know why?

I will let you explain so. Will you be explaining from customs, culture and or differences in terminology?

eninn
05-28-2012, 12:20 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIcPOJX7gws

Goldie Locks
05-28-2012, 05:05 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIcPOJX7gws




Sorry, but please learn how to post a video.

MMC
05-28-2012, 08:11 PM
Eninn.....when posting a video off of U-Tube. Copy URL then hit Share button underneath video. Switch over to the forum, see that little film roll in this reply box. Should be all the way to your right before the spell-check. Click on that film roll and paste the video in that box and press okay.

Should get your video up. If you have any problems posting up videos or pics please get back to us and we will try and help you out.

Trinnity
05-28-2012, 08:27 PM
The world is changing right before our eyes. If you watch other countries and yes Canada and others already allows them to have their own family court system. America allows young men to join girl scouts and bunk with them. Another country puts pedophiles on disability instead of jail and the list goes on. Free countries are becoming weak in the name of tolerance.

I guess in a way I understand this man even though we have different faiths and are completely different. Do I hate him, no.

Do you understand what I am saying?The girl scouts have lost common sense and I don't understand why. But the boy scouts are steadfast. If a boy is atheist or gay they cannot join. Period.
As far as abusing the boys, we have what we call "2 deep leadership". No boy can be alone with a leader ever. And any event (like selling peanuts or popcorn in front of a store to raise money) must have 3 leaders and 2 scouts. Any door to door selling is the same way. This is to protect the boys AND the leaders (from false accusations).

I'm an assistant scoutmaster myself of our local troop. I have 2 sons in the troop. I'm proud the boy scouts have not abandoned their principles.

AND you are exactly right, roadmaster. We are becoming weak by being way too tolerant. Conservatism is making a comeback though, because we see the damage too much liberalism has wrought.

roadmaster
05-29-2012, 09:51 PM
The girl scouts have lost common sense and I don't understand why. But the boy scouts are steadfast. If a boy is atheist or gay they cannot join. Period.

I know because of PC a young man claiming to be stuck in a boys body but a girl, they let into the girl scouts. Watch out these groups will try. This year in Canada a male sued a battered woman's shelter claiming the same and that he should have been able to stay at the women's center. They were not even from that area, they go around doing this to see who caves.

They also have to remember that anyone if they change it will be able to walk into places like this claiming they are really a woman but with male gentiles. Who should they protect the women that are their or the one who claims they are? A lot of people in Canada were upset they didn't let this man in without even thinking about how many rapist, abusers, ect could claim the same.