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Professor Peabody
10-31-2014, 12:25 AM
Over 214,000 Doctors Opt Out of Obamacare Exchanges

October 28, 2014 - 11:28 AM
By Barbara Boland

Over 214,000 doctors won't participate in the new plans under the Affordable Care Act (ACA,) analysis of a new survey (http://www.mgma.com/government-affairs/issues-overview/aca/aca-exchange-implementation-report/aca-surveyreport_online_2?ext=.pdf) by Medical Group Management Association shows. That number of 214,524, estimated (http://americanactionforum.org/insights/health-care-providers-are-opting-out-of-obamacare-exchang-plans#_edn18) by American Action Forum, is through May 2014, but appears to be growing due to plans that force doctors to take on burdensome costs. It's also about a quarter of the total number of 893,851 (http://kff.org/other/state-indicator/total-active-physicians/) active professional physicians reported by the Kaiser Family Foundation.

In January, an estimated 70% of California's physicians were not participating in Covered California plans.

http://cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/barbara-boland/over-214000-doctors-opt-out-obamacare-exchanges

About a quarter of the active professional physicians are opting out of Obama Care and a full 70% of California Doctors aren't going to participate in Covered California. What a dismal failure. Currently, about a million people have failed to pay their premiums and had their plans canceled. The longer this farce goes on, the longer and harder it's going to be to fix it.

If you've had nothing but hassles with your Obama Care plan, you need to help in fixing it. The Democrats will never admit what a colossal mistake it was and therefore what you've got is what you will continue to get. The only way to fix your health care is to remove from office those who forced this abomination on you and your families. The Affordable Care Act AKA Obama Care passed through Congress and was signed into law without a single Republican vote. That makes it easy to know who to vote out of office.

Redrose
10-31-2014, 01:20 AM
That's another thing the GOP predicted would happen with the implementation of the ACA. I wish people had listened. In 2015 it gets even worse.

Mac-7
10-31-2014, 05:32 AM
"I voted 3 times for Obama in 2012 and all I got to show for it is a lousy free cellphone!"

midcan5
10-31-2014, 05:47 AM
More negativity, America 'the land of the useless can't do.'


"I voted 3 times for Obama in 2012 and all I got to show for it is a lousy free cellphone!"

Reagan started that, please blame the right vote.

Mac-7
10-31-2014, 05:53 AM
More negativity, America 'the land of the useless can't do.'

Reagan started that, please blame the right vote.

no one ever called them ReaganPhones because they never were that.

Captain Obvious
10-31-2014, 06:18 AM
Does anyone understand what this article is saying?

Read it carefully, it's a blog from a hacksource. The intent clearly is to mislead.

Common
10-31-2014, 07:14 AM
All my doctors take it.

Captain Obvious
10-31-2014, 07:33 AM
All my doctors take it.

There's no "it", these are still competitive commercial insurance plans that are now just more regulated because of the ACA. There is no covering "Obamacare". You can't "opt out" of it unless you take down your shingle and open a hot dog stand.

What this article is stating is that docs are not contracting with some of these independent, commercial insurances for whatever reason.

Yeah, no shit, sherlock - that's been going on for decades. That's how it works. Get a sucky offer, decline it.

This piece of work suggests that Medicare and Medicaid pay less than commercial (Blue Cross) insurance.

Yeah, no shit again - welcome to the 20th century.

There is zero useful information in this thing.

Common Sense
10-31-2014, 08:10 AM
These numbers are far from accurate. It's based on a survey of doctors back in April.

http://www.mgma.com/government-affairs/issues-overview/aca/aca-exchange-implementation-report/aca-surveyreport_online_2?ext=.pdf http://kff.org/other/state-indicator/total-active-physicians

Basically there are 893,851 physicians in the US. At the time of the survey in April 23.5% of the respondents reported that they weren't yet participating in any exchange products. 23% of the 893,851 doctors is around 200,000 doctors. That's where they get that bullshit number. Yet at the time of the survey 41% of those who were not participating said they weren't because they hadn't been asked to.

If you get your news from CNS, don't be surprised if you get a mouthful of shit. It's basically a direct mouthpiece of the RNC.

Safety
10-31-2014, 08:15 AM
no one ever called them ReaganPhones because they never were that.

No, nobody ever called them Reaganphones because there was not a portion of society who is hell bent on creating divisiveness like some are today. The program that provided a phone for poor people was created under Reagan. Only common sense is required to understand how technology allowed it to migrate to cellphones.

GrassrootsConservative
10-31-2014, 08:42 AM
What do Liberals want "free" healthcare for anyway, wont their overbearing government protect them?

Mac-7
10-31-2014, 09:10 AM
No, nobody ever called them Reaganphones because there was not a portion of society who is hell bent on creating divisiveness like some are today. The program that provided a phone for poor people was created under Reagan. Only common sense is required to understand how technology allowed it to migrate to cellphones.

Poor people in the hood call them obamaphones.

they think its a good thing to get free stuff from the government.

del
10-31-2014, 09:11 AM
Poor people in the hood call them obamaphones.

they think its a good thing to get free stuff from the government.

spend a lot of time in the *hood*, do you?

:rofl:

Captain Obvious
10-31-2014, 09:15 AM
spend a lot of time in the *hood*, do you?

:rofl:

http://familyrights.us/news/archive/2010/february/thug_life.jpg

Safety
10-31-2014, 09:20 AM
Poor people in the hood call them obamaphones.

they think its a good thing to get free stuff from the government.

So, people in the hood call them that, you always follow what people in the hood do? Imitation is the most sincere form of flattery, Mac.

silvereyes
10-31-2014, 10:15 AM
Dincha know hes ghetto gary?

Professor Peabody
10-31-2014, 10:58 AM
These numbers are far from accurate. It's based on a survey of doctors back in April.

http://www.mgma.com/government-affairs/issues-overview/aca/aca-exchange-implementation-report/aca-surveyreport_online_2?ext=.pdf http://kff.org/other/state-indicator/total-active-physicians

Let's see the accurate numbers then.


Basically there are 893,851 physicians in the US. At the time of the survey in April 23.5% of the respondents reported that they weren't yet participating in any exchange products. 23% of the 893,851 doctors is around 200,000 doctors. That's where they get that bull$#@! number. Yet at the time of the survey 41% of those who were not participating said they weren't because they hadn't been asked to.

Why would a doctor need to be asked to accept more insurance plans and increase business for a Medical Group? You haven't a clue what you're talking about.

Got Obamacare, can't find doctors (http://money.cnn.com/2014/03/19/news/economy/obamacare-doctors/)

How Obamacare Leaves Some People Without Doctors (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/10/obamacare-patients-without-doctors_n_5044270.html)

Hard Data On Trouble You'll Have Finding Doctors In Obamacare (http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottgottlieb/2014/03/08/now-the-hard-data-on-the-trouble-youll-have-finding-specialist-doctors-in-obamacare/)


If you get your news from CNS, don't be surprised if you get a mouthful of $#@!. It's basically a direct mouthpiece of the RNC.

Looks like you stepped in a pile of it.

Professor Peabody
10-31-2014, 11:01 AM
What do Liberals want "free" healthcare for anyway, wont their overbearing government protect them?

Send 'em to the VA Health Care.

Captain Obvious
10-31-2014, 11:01 AM
Let's see the accurate numbers then.



Why would a doctor need to be asked to accept more insurance plans and increase business for a Medical Group? You haven't a clue what you're talking about.

Got Obamacare, can't find doctors (http://money.cnn.com/2014/03/19/news/economy/obamacare-doctors/)

How Obamacare Leaves Some People Without Doctors (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/10/obamacare-patients-without-doctors_n_5044270.html)

Hard Data On Trouble You'll Have Finding Doctors In Obamacare (http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottgottlieb/2014/03/08/now-the-hard-data-on-the-trouble-youll-have-finding-specialist-doctors-in-obamacare/)



Looks like you stepped in a pile of it.

How about debunking his point in your words instead of just random links?

Sorry, he busted your myth - a little better than I did too.

Cigar
10-31-2014, 11:02 AM
Yet over 10 Million Opt-In :laugh: Simple Math

10,000,000 - 214,000 = 9,786,000

NEXT :grin:

Captain Obvious
10-31-2014, 11:02 AM
Yet over 10 Million Opt-In :laugh: Simple Math

10,000,000 - 214,000 = 9,786,000

NEXT :grin:

Go back to sleep

Professor Peabody
10-31-2014, 11:07 AM
All my doctors take it.

All the Doctors in my area take individual policies offered by the major carriers.....They do NOT take Obama Care policies offered by the same carriers. You need to check first or you'll get the same nasty surprise I got.

Professor Peabody
10-31-2014, 11:10 AM
How about debunking his point in your words instead of just random links?

Sorry, he busted your myth - a little better than I did too.

He claimed the source was inaccurate, I posted links that show he and you are just wrong, deal with it.


October 30 2014

200,000 Doctors Opt Out of ObamaCare

Patrice J. Lee

Recently, we reported that consumers are struggling to find doctors willing to accept their ObamaCare plans. Many doctors who do accept ObamaCare have complaints about the system.

Now, we’re learning that some 214,000 doctors – about one quarter of the nation’s reported 890,000 doctors- won’t participate in ObamaCare plans. Not surprisingly, it has a lot to do with the cost and potential financial damage to their practices, which confirms other reports.

A new survey of some 40,000 doctors finds that physicians are opting out of the exchanges because those plans offer significantly lower reimbursement rates than private market plans and even in some instances Medicaid. There is also confusion among consumers about their out-of-pocket costs, including high deductibles, which a large majority of doctors say ObamaCare patients carry.

http://www.iwf.org/blog/2795453/200,000-Doctors-Opt-Out-of-ObamaCare (http://www.iwf.org/blog/2795453/200,000-Doctors-Opt-Out-of-ObamaCareOctober)


No doubt the Independent Women's Forum is far right wing.....with the war on women and all.

Captain Obvious
10-31-2014, 11:13 AM
He claimed the source was inaccurate, I posted links that show he and you are just wrong, deal with it.

Misleading would have been a better choice than inaccurate.

Horseshit would have been a better choice than misleading.

... you see how that works.

Professor Peabody
10-31-2014, 11:16 AM
Misleading would have been a better choice than inaccurate.

Horse$#@! would have been a better choice than misleading.

... you see how that works.

Look at the post above yours before you make a bigger fool of yourself.

Captain Obvious
10-31-2014, 11:18 AM
Look at the post above yours before you make a bigger fool of yourself.

Explain to me, in your own words (not links, not cut/paste), how you're correct.

Take your time.

Professor Peabody
10-31-2014, 11:24 AM
Explain to me, in your own words (not links, not cut/paste), how you're correct.

Take your time.

About a quarter of the active professional physicians are opting out of Obama Care and a full 70% of California Doctors aren't going to participate in Covered California. What a dismal failure. Currently, about a million people have failed to pay their premiums and had their plans canceled. The longer this farce goes on, the longer and harder it's going to be to fix it.

If you've had nothing but hassles with your Obama Care plan, you need to help in fixing it. The Democrats will never admit what a colossal mistake it was and therefore what you've got is what you will continue to get. The only way to fix your health care is to remove from office those who forced this abomination on you and your families. The Affordable Care Act AKA Obama Care passed through Congress and was signed into law without a single Republican vote. That makes it easy to know who to vote out of office.

Bo-4
10-31-2014, 11:28 AM
no one ever called them ReaganPhones because they never were that.

Well, only the truly ignorant ever called them ObamaPhones.

Captain Obvious
10-31-2014, 11:29 AM
About a quarter of the active professional physicians are opting out of Obama Care and a full 70% of California Doctors aren't going to participate in Covered California. What a dismal failure. Currently, about a million people have failed to pay their premiums and had their plans canceled. The longer this farce goes on, the longer and harder it's going to be to fix it.

If you've had nothing but hassles with your Obama Care plan, you need to help in fixing it. The Democrats will never admit what a colossal mistake it was and therefore what you've got is what you will continue to get. The only way to fix your health care is to remove from office those who forced this abomination on you and your families. The Affordable Care Act AKA Obama Care passed through Congress and was signed into law without a single Republican vote. That makes it easy to know who to vote out of office.

That's what I thought, clueless.

Ask for your own words and get a cut and paste.

Or links.

I understand, it's because you have no idea what any of this means. You're incapable of explaining it in your own words.

Dismissed

:biglaugh:

Professor Peabody
10-31-2014, 12:19 PM
That's what I thought, clueless.

Ask for your own words and get a cut and paste.

Or links.

I understand, it's because you have no idea what any of this means. You're incapable of explaining it in your own words.

Dismissed

:biglaugh:

So who wrote what I posted? You might return to the original post and have some one read it to you AND explain what I wrote it means. Maybe you should take a class. How much more obvious does it have to be doctors are opting OUT of accepting Obama Care policies? What's to explain? I surely don't have time to tutor you on every word.

Redrose
10-31-2014, 01:00 PM
All my doctors take it.

Not here in E. Tenn and in many parts of Fl. My nephew opted out. It was killing his practice.

I was new to Medicare when I moved here, NONE of them would take on a new Medicare patient due to the ACA cuts to Medicare reimbursements to doctors. Taking $750 billion out of Medicare hurt big time.
Now with the exchanges, with so many policies imploding, doctors are saying no thanks. Obama destroyed the medical industry. Just becsuse it hasn't affected you yet doesn't mean the problem isn't real.

Captain Obvious
10-31-2014, 01:02 PM
So who wrote what I posted? You might return to the original post and have some one read it to you AND explain what I wrote it means. Maybe you should take a class. How much more obvious does it have to be doctors are opting OUT of accepting Obama Care policies? What's to explain? I surely don't have time to tutor you on every word.

It was cut/pasted right out of that link, a retarded monkey could spot that from across the bay.

Just because you're dimwitted doesn't mean everyone else is.

Thanks for playing though, Cigar is more your league.

Professor Peabody
10-31-2014, 02:48 PM
It was cut/pasted right out of that link, a retarded monkey could spot that from across the bay.

Just because you're dimwitted doesn't mean everyone else is.

Thanks for playing though, Cigar is more your league.

You seem to be the person with comprehension problem and I'm dimwitted? :rollseyes:

Let me try to dumb it down for you, what part of what I posted don't you understand. I'll try not to use too many big words.

lynn
10-31-2014, 03:06 PM
Physicians are contracted with health insurance companies. Obamacare is not an insurance carrier. If a physician is contracted with lets say BC/BS for all of its plan products, physicians cannot refuse patients just because they purchased it on the exchange.

PolWatch
10-31-2014, 03:11 PM
I suspect docs opt in & out of contract with various insurance companies all the time...its how the 'reasonable & customary' rates are adjusted.

Redrose
10-31-2014, 03:11 PM
When I was with BC/BS here in Florida, my doctor of 13 years did not take all of the policies offered. I learned that the hard way. He ended up being an out of network doctor for my plan, so I had to change doctors. My nephew, who is a physician, has told us how the ACA is hurting the medical industry. That is straight from the horse's mouth.

Professor Peabody
10-31-2014, 03:14 PM
Physicians are contracted with health insurance companies. Obamacare is not an insurance carrier. If a physician is contracted with lets say BC/BS for all of its plan products, physicians cannot refuse patients just because they purchased it on the exchange.

Doctors in California will accept individual insurance policies from BC/BS they just won't accept policies that are offered on the exchanges. I know that for a fact as I have a BC/BS Covered California policy. I live in the mountains of So Cal we have a hospital with 2 medium size Medical groups and 1 small. All three accept BC/BS policies, but only 1 accepts a Covered California BC/BS Policy bought through the exchange.

lynn
10-31-2014, 03:16 PM
I agree it is hurting the medical industry since now that high deductibles is becoming the norm, practices end up with an inflated account receivable balance that makes it difficult to meet overhead cost.

nic34
10-31-2014, 03:41 PM
About a quarter of the active professional physicians are opting out of Obama Care and a full 70% of California Doctors aren't going to participate in Covered California. What a dismal failure. Currently, about a million people have failed to pay their premiums and had their plans canceled. The longer this farce goes on, the longer and harder it's going to be to fix it.

If you've had nothing but hassles with your Obama Care plan, you need to help in fixing it. The Democrats will never admit what a colossal mistake it was and therefore what you've got is what you will continue to get. The only way to fix your health care is to remove from office those who forced this abomination on you and your families. The Affordable Care Act AKA Obama Care passed through Congress and was signed into law without a single Republican vote. That makes it easy to know who to vote out of office.

Insurance companies dictate how much they will pay for certain procedures so if an insurance company goes below what the doctor is willing to accept they can opt to not accept patients from that insurance company.

Should be noted that the doctor is not opting out of Obamacare they are just not accepting patients from insurance companies who pay below what the doctor feels they deserve.

Put the blame where it belongs.

Bob
10-31-2014, 04:01 PM
Does anyone understand what this article is saying?

Read it carefully, it's a blog from a hacksource. The intent clearly is to mislead.

n January, an estimated 70% of California's physicians were not participating in Covered California plans.
Here are some of the reasons why:
1. Reimbursements under Obamacare are at bottom-dollar - they are even lower than Medicare reimbursements, which are already significantly below market rates. "It is estimated that where private plans pay $1.00 for a service, Medicare pays $0.80, and ACA exchange plans are now paying about $0.60," a study by the think-tank American Action Forum finds (http://americanactionforum.org/insights/health-care-providers-are-opting-out-of-obamacare-exchang-plans#_edn18). "For example, Covered California plans are setting their plan fee schedules in line with that of Medi-Cal-California's Medicaid Program-which means exchange plans are cutting provider reimbursement by up to 40 percent."

Bob
10-31-2014, 04:04 PM
Insurance companies dictate how much they will pay for certain procedures so if an insurance company goes below what the doctor is willing to accept they can opt to not accept patients from that insurance company.

Should be noted that the doctor is not opting out of Obamacare they are just not accepting patients from insurance companies who pay below what the doctor feels they deserve.

Put the blame where it belongs.

The ACA is a dues paying steering device to force people to purchase insurance.

But we knew all along it would fail. And told Democrats so.

How many amendments did Democrats allow to be made by Republicans on the ACA??

Zero.

It was not voted for by Republicans because they were blocked out of the law.

Cigar
10-31-2014, 04:08 PM
The ACA is a dues paying steering device to force people to purchase insurance.

But we knew all along it would fail. And told Democrats so.

How many amendments did Democrats allow to be made by Republicans on the ACA??

Zero.

It was not voted for by Republicans because they were blocked out of the law.

You Lost ... Get Over It :laugh:

Mac-7
10-31-2014, 04:29 PM
spend a lot of time in the *hood*, do you?

:rofl:

Enough to know how much Obama voters crave free stuff - either a government check in the mail or cigars from the local convienence store.

Professor Peabody
11-01-2014, 03:14 AM
Insurance companies dictate how much they will pay for certain procedures so if an insurance company goes below what the doctor is willing to accept they can opt to not accept patients from that insurance company. Should be noted that the doctor is not opting out of Obamacare they are just not accepting patients from insurance companies who pay below what the doctor feels they deserve. Put the blame where it belongs. Doctors in California will accept individual insurance policies from BC/BS they just won't accept policies that are offered on the exchanges. I know that for a fact as I have a BC/BS Covered California policy. I live in the mountains of So Cal we have a hospital with 2 medium size Medical groups and 1 small. All three accept BC/BS policies, but only 1 accepts a Covered California BC/BS Policy bought through the exchange.

Professor Peabody
11-03-2014, 11:21 AM
You Lost ... Get Over It :laugh:

There are only two things that stay the same in life.....our inevitable death and taxes. While Obama Care won't be repealed, the only thing left of the original bill will be the title and the very last line. That will be tacked on to the omnibus spending bill and see if Obama has the nuggets to veto it and shut down the Government clobbering Hillary for 2016.:rofl:

Cigar
11-03-2014, 02:09 PM
Enough to know how much Obama voters crave free stuff - either a government check in the mail or cigars from the local convienence store.

Mitt Romney is that you ... how's it going for you these days? :laugh:

PolWatch
11-03-2014, 02:10 PM
that was funny....

Cigar
11-03-2014, 02:10 PM
There are only two things that stay the same in life.....our inevitable death and taxes. While Obama Care won't be repealed, the only thing left of the original bill will be the title and the very last line. That will be tacked on to the omnibus spending bill and see if Obama has the nuggets to veto it and shut down the Government clobbering Hillary for 2016.:rofl:

Still Hurts?

http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090621212341/uncyclopedia/images/6/60/Sad_duck.jpg (http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/UnTunes:Still_Hurting)

Mac-7
11-03-2014, 02:46 PM
that was funny....

Im not surprised.

all you fake independents laugh when you democrat brothers bash the Repubs.

Common Sense
11-03-2014, 02:48 PM
This Op was discredited...are we still trying to sell this line of bullshit?

PolWatch
11-03-2014, 02:49 PM
Im not surprised.

all you fake independents laugh when you democrat brothers bash the Repubs.

only when its funny...but its really fake laughter, dontchaknow?