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momsapplepie
10-31-2014, 08:13 PM
214 days in a mexihole prison! Obama decides to step up now?
https://news.yahoo.com/apnewsbreak-judge-orders-release-ex-marine-003844852.html

Cigar
10-31-2014, 08:14 PM
:loser:

momsapplepie
10-31-2014, 08:17 PM
214 days. fuck obama!
One of ours is coming home, no thanks to Obama!

donttread
10-31-2014, 08:17 PM
214 days in a mexihole prison! Obama decides to step up now?
https://news.yahoo.com/apnewsbreak-judge-orders-release-ex-marine-003844852.html

You can get worse than that for a bullshit gun charge in NY

momsapplepie
10-31-2014, 08:19 PM
yeah, thanks obama and the demonicrats!

Matty
10-31-2014, 08:20 PM
214 days in a mexihole prison! Obama decides to step up now?
https://news.yahoo.com/apnewsbreak-judge-orders-release-ex-marine-003844852.html


What makes you think obama had a damn thing to do with it?

Redrose
10-31-2014, 08:21 PM
You can get worse than that for a bull$#@! gun charge in NY


That's your typical liberal state. Lived 42 years in NY as a Conservative. It was rough.

momsapplepie
10-31-2014, 08:25 PM
you know, it probably wasn't Obama, only his handlers. Everyone knows he's a fuckin puppet to the demonic rat machine.

Redrose
10-31-2014, 08:27 PM
214 days in a mexihole prison! Obama decides to step up now?
https://news.yahoo.com/apnewsbreak-judge-orders-release-ex-marine-003844852.html

That's great news, I'm happy for him and his family.

When I heard the news say Mexico's gun laws are very strict, trying to keep American guns out of Mexico (Fast 'n Furious) and they have tightened up security on their border, I almost threw up. THEY tighten their border and we have a revolving door for all the criminals, homeless and udocumented people they can throw at us.

It's sickening.

momsapplepie
10-31-2014, 08:27 PM
What is sad is the dem scum using this decorated soldier as a talking point to divert from their machinations in this election.

Cigar
10-31-2014, 08:35 PM
:laugh:

Ethereal
10-31-2014, 08:42 PM
Obama sees the impending transition in congress, so he took some time off from fellating his boy toy to make a phone call. After the midterms, phone calls will be the full extent of his lame duck presidency.

:laugh:

Matty
10-31-2014, 08:44 PM
Nope. No obama!

Ethereal
10-31-2014, 08:47 PM
Nope. No obama!

You never know, he might have given the Mexican president a hummer in exchange for Tamorisi's release.

:laugh:

Redrose
10-31-2014, 08:48 PM
Obama sees the impending transition in congress, so he took some time off from fellating his boy toy to make a phone call. After the midterms, phone calls will be the full extent of his lame duck presidency.

:laugh:


You do have a way with words. :smiley:

Matty
10-31-2014, 08:48 PM
You never know, he might have given the Mexican president a hummer in exchange for Tamorisi's release.

:laugh:
Honey, he'd be all over that photo op.

momsapplepie
10-31-2014, 08:49 PM
Nah, Obama promised him some more guns!

Cigar
10-31-2014, 08:50 PM
http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u34/smellysalmon/CryBaby-1.jpg (http://forums.soompi.com/discussion/189827/crybaby)

Cigar
10-31-2014, 08:51 PM
http://cdn.gagbay.com/2012/11/obama_won-176941.jpg (http://www.gagbay.com/gag/obama_won-176941/)

Matty
10-31-2014, 08:52 PM
Nope. I think it is because Fox News has been all over it, including O'Reilly calling for an all out boycott. I just checked the MSNBC site. Not a friggin peep. Oh, and the last attorney For the marine was damn good. Dosen't matter. I am glad he is finally free. Now any American with a brain should stay out of that shithole.

momsapplepie
10-31-2014, 08:52 PM
yeah, cry some more. You'll really be blowing some snot bubbles come Tuesday!

Cigar
10-31-2014, 08:52 PM
http://www.politifake.org/image/political/1211/obama-won-get-over-battaile-politics-1353233438.jpg (http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/should-barack-obama-follow-the-popes-lead-by-resigning/question-3517595/)

Cigar
10-31-2014, 08:53 PM
yeah, cry some more. You'll really be blowing some snot bubbles come Tuesday!

Why ... what is The GOP going to do? :laugh:

Bob
10-31-2014, 09:05 PM
This made me so happy

https://gma.yahoo.com/mexican-judge-orders-us-marine-reservist-released-002900463--abc-news-topstories.html

Matty
10-31-2014, 09:11 PM
Oh, and you know what else Ethereal and momsapplepie? The Republicans threw a big congressional hearing too and Montel Williams blasted obummer. Remember that?

del
10-31-2014, 09:14 PM
don't do the crime if you can't do the time

momsapplepie
10-31-2014, 09:15 PM
The dims kicked Montel to the curb. I didn't always agree with him, but the man has loyalty. I can respect that. He stands for the military. Something the dims just cannot drum up as a talking point. They have always said screw the military.

Cigar
10-31-2014, 09:17 PM
:terribletowel: Great News ... Montel Williams is Da-Man ... he called Obama Personally

http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2008/specials/fall_tv/blog/080211/montel_williams_240x320.jpg (http://www.people.com/people/news/category/0,,personsTax:MontelWilliams,00.html)

Matty
10-31-2014, 09:17 PM
The dims kicked Montel to the curb. I didn't always agree with him, but the man has loyalty. I can respect that. He stands for the military. Something the dims just cannot drum up as a talking point. They have always said screw the military.
Montel is a marine! He knows the score.

Ethereal
10-31-2014, 09:21 PM
Oh, and you know what else Ethereal and momsapplepie? The Republicans threw a big congressional hearing too and Montel Williams blasted obummer. Remember that?

Obama loves getting blasted by other black men.

:laugh:

donttread
10-31-2014, 09:23 PM
yeah, thanks obama and the demonicrats!

Along with Cumo, Shummer, Rangle and the asshole form NYC mayor

Bob
10-31-2014, 09:27 PM
214 days in a mexihole prison! Obama decides to step up now?
https://news.yahoo.com/apnewsbreak-judge-orders-release-ex-marine-003844852.html

I did not see this thread or I would not have posted the same article. Maybe it can be merged but it won't hurt my feelings if my post simply vanishes. I am not here for ego anyway. Adelaide or Peter1469 or Dr. Who

Matty
10-31-2014, 09:27 PM
Obama loves getting blasted by other black men.

:laugh:
Montel was exceptionally good at it!


http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1U5MOyATQvQ

momsapplepie
10-31-2014, 09:27 PM
http://www.politifake.org/image/political/1211/obama-won-get-over-battaile-politics-1353233438.jpg (http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/should-barack-obama-follow-the-popes-lead-by-resigning/question-3517595/)

Don't know why you keep crowing about the PAST.

Bob
10-31-2014, 09:28 PM
don't do the crime if you can't do the time

Tattooed on your forehead so you can read it in the mirror.

del
10-31-2014, 09:29 PM
Tattooed on your forehead so you can read it in the mirror.

shouldn't you be sculpting chess pieces out of your own fecal matter, bobby?

it's friday, after all

momsapplepie
10-31-2014, 09:33 PM
why can't you address the topic? Is insulting all you can do? It's evident all you can do is "bad faith" posting.

Bob
10-31-2014, 09:33 PM
you know, it probably wasn't Obama, only his handlers. Everyone knows he's a $#@!in puppet to the demonic rat machine.

My goodness momsapplepie

You are hitting all 12 cylinders today in running down Obama. Somebody has to do the dirty job. Glad it's you.

Common
10-31-2014, 09:35 PM
Good bout time hes free

momsapplepie
10-31-2014, 09:35 PM
Yeah, Halloween and my evil republican side is peaking! :evil:

Matty
10-31-2014, 09:36 PM
My goodness @momsapplepie (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=889)

You are hitting all 12 cylinders today in running down Obama. Somebody has to do the dirty job. Glad it's you.



Stop! As I recall at rhe time of this marine's imprisonment you were scornful when I started bitching about how unfair it was. So being phoney now Bob!

Bob
10-31-2014, 09:37 PM
shouldn't you be sculpting chess pieces out of your own fecal matter, bobby?

it's friday, after all

Show us some photos of your carvings! Did you honestly think that would hurt my feelings?

A guy that once worked in the same office I was in during 71-72 was married to woman who had a gift of making things from ceramic I believe, created a chess game for me. Then I paid her about $100 for it.

Bob
10-31-2014, 09:39 PM
Stop! As I recall at rhe time of this marine's imprisonment you were scornful when I started $#@!ing about how unfair it was. So being phoney now Bob!

I wasn't scornful. I pointed out the guy had plenty of signs to follow is all. I am very pleased he got released.

You would fare better if you did not pick fights with me.

Bob
10-31-2014, 09:42 PM
Yeah, Halloween and my evil republican side is peaking! :evil:

Cool, now let's go get us some Democrats. yummy. LOL

Matty
10-31-2014, 09:42 PM
I wasn't scornful. I pointed out the guy had plenty of signs to follow is all. I am very pleased he got released.

You would fare better if you did not pick fights with me.



You you were scornful and an asshole about it. So don't get all phoney and shit now.

Bob
10-31-2014, 09:43 PM
You you were scornful and an $#@! about it. So don't get all phoney and $#@! now.

Nope, you are not honest. It was not scorn. I told you what it was.

Matty
10-31-2014, 09:45 PM
Nope, you are not honest. It was not scorn. I told you what it was.

Scorn and holier than thou art bullshit.

momsapplepie
10-31-2014, 09:52 PM
Scorn or doubt? you have to admit liberal media had already tried and convicted him. That kind of crap is all around us, and it's pretty easy to fall under the liberal excuse spell.

momsapplepie
10-31-2014, 09:55 PM
I for one am glad he's coming home. I do blame this administration for the length of his jail term. And being the weekend before elections? for him to be suddenly released when all other supposed efforts have failed? I would hope Americans aren't stupid enough not to see a "hail mary" when it happens.

Bob
10-31-2014, 09:57 PM
Scorn or doubt? you have to admit liberal media had already tried and convicted him. That kind of crap is all around us, and it's pretty easy to fall under the liberal excuse spell.

That idiot decided to try to pick a fight with me as usual. I told her and told her, I know that highway very well. I have driven through that border crossing into Mexico maybe half a dozen times or more.

I told her CA at least provides turn around points so if you dont' want to enter Mexico,just use the turn around.

Some of you know the Holland Tunnel from New Jersey into NY City. Did you know they also have a turn around? I needed to stop going through the tunnel and a female cop showed me how to turn around. I was flustered by passing through a fastpass gate and had no pass and wanted to pay the toll.

Anyway, it does not cost money to enter Mexico but this guy should have been awake and he would not have gone to jail if his story is entirely true.

Bob
10-31-2014, 09:59 PM
I for one am glad he's coming home. I do blame this administration for the length of his jail term. And being the weekend before elections? for him to be suddenly released when all other supposed efforts have failed? I would hope Americans aren't stupid enough not to see a "hail mary" when it happens.

Mexico is not Iran so you are right. If Obama is half as important as he pretends he is, the guy could have been cut loose that same day.

Matty
10-31-2014, 10:01 PM
Scorn or doubt? you have to admit liberal media had already tried and convicted him. That kind of crap is all around us, and it's pretty easy to fall under the liberal excuse spell.
No, the liberal media was not even covering it. Fox News covered it extensively. On this site the only people who had the marine's back was myself and Codename! Code wanted to go down and bust him out. All you heard from the other idiots was about how he broke the law. Yes right, everyone who smuggles guns into Mexico goes straight to the Mexican authorities and turns himself and his three guns in. It was a fucking riot.

Matty
10-31-2014, 10:05 PM
That idiot decided to try to pick a fight with me as usual. I told her and told her, I know that highway very well. I have driven through that border crossing into Mexico maybe half a dozen times or more.

I told her CA at least provides turn around points so if you dont' want to enter Mexico,just use the turn around.

Some of you know the Holland Tunnel from New Jersey into NY City. Did you know they also have a turn around? I needed to stop going through the tunnel and a female cop showed me how to turn around. I was flustered by passing through a fastpass gate and had no pass and wanted to pay the toll.

Anyway, it does not cost money to enter Mexico but this guy should have been awake and he would not have gone to jail if his story is entirely true.




Thanks for proving my point asshole! Fucking rich.

Bob
10-31-2014, 10:06 PM
Scorn or doubt? you have to admit liberal media had already tried and convicted him. That kind of crap is all around us, and it's pretty easy to fall under the liberal excuse spell.

I never at any point believed he was running guns into Mexico. He declared them. No, he was unfairly held but I did not scorn the guy. I did not scorn posters either. I simply reported how things are at the border.

momsapplepie
10-31-2014, 10:08 PM
Matty is not an idiot. She feels deeply about our boys. She may not be as familiar with that border crossing as you or I, but with the latest changes, and road construction, it's easy to see how someone can get confused. His arrest was reasonable, his containment was not. But then of course we need to look at the underlying political lines. Obama and Holder got hundreds of innocent people killed by gun running. Mexico is taking the blame because of their drug cartels. A man bring guns across the border? Heck yeah, Mexico is going to jump all over that.

Bob
10-31-2014, 10:08 PM
Thanks for proving my point $#@!! $#@!ing rich.

My profanity filter is on.

I never proved your point.

Why can't you enjoy his release and get out of my face?

Matty
10-31-2014, 10:11 PM
My profanity filter is on.

I never proved your point.

Why can't you enjoy his release and get out of my face?



Because use you are being a phoney about it. NOW that he has been released.

Matty
10-31-2014, 10:13 PM
Matty is not an idiot. She feels deeply about our boys. She may not be as familiar with that border crossing as you or I, but with the latest changes, and road construction, it's easy to see how someone can get confused. His arrest was reasonable, his containment was not. But then of course we need to look at the underlying political lines. Obama and Holder got hundreds of innocent people killed by gun running. Mexico is taking the blame because of their drug cartels. A man bring guns across the border? Heck yeah, Mexico is going to jump all over that.



The the marine had PTSD, there was one tiny little sign he missed, NOW there are giant flashing signs. He made a mistake and went straight to the Mexican authorities, declared the guns and asked for help!

momsapplepie
10-31-2014, 10:21 PM
Yes, that is about it. People need to realize, it was a mistake. Unfortunately, the Obama administration had precluded that mistake with intentional government exacerbation by their little gun running to Mexican cartels. Now, just before the election, the administration thinks stepping in when it should have been done months ago, is going to buy them something. Sorry, but Obama and his minions just fuckin suck. They shat on a soldier for their own gain. But then that's nothing new for a dem scum.

Bob
10-31-2014, 10:25 PM
Explaining exit ramps is not scorn, it merely is explaining roads.

Bob
10-31-2014, 10:25 PM
Yes, that is about it. People need to realize, it was a mistake. Unfortunately, the Obama administration had precluded that mistake with intentional government exacerbation by their little gun running to Mexican cartels. Now, just before the election, the administration thinks stepping in when it should have been done months ago, is going to buy them something. Sorry, but Obama and his minions just $#@!in suck. They shat on a soldier for their own gain. But then that's nothing new for a dem scum.

I agree with that.

Matty
10-31-2014, 10:26 PM
Yes, that is about it. People need to realize, it was a mistake. Unfortunately, the Obama administration had precluded that mistake with intentional government exacerbation by their little gun running to Mexican cartels. Now, just before the election, the administration thinks stepping in when it should have been done months ago, is going to buy them something. Sorry, but Obama and his minions just $#@!in suck. They shat on a soldier for their own gain. But then that's nothing new for a dem scum.
I don't think obama had a damn thing to do with his release! Obama could care less!

Ethereal
10-31-2014, 10:32 PM
Obama heard that Tamorisi was getting sexually assaulted in prison, so he offered to trade places with the marine.

:laugh:

momsapplepie
10-31-2014, 10:44 PM
obama would have liked that!

Bob
10-31-2014, 10:45 PM
The the marine had PTSD, there was one tiny little sign he missed, NOW there are giant flashing signs. He made a mistake and went straight to the Mexican authorities, declared the guns and asked for help!

Tiny sign? Other than that mistake, i agree.

silvereyes
10-31-2014, 10:45 PM
This is good news.

The rest of this shitfest is pathetic.

Matty
10-31-2014, 10:52 PM
Tiny sign? Other than that mistake, i agree.


Get over yourself



http://gretawire.foxnewsinsider.com/slideshow/i-see-how-the-us-marine-ended-up-in-mexico-accidentally-i-went-to-the-scene-and-drove-it-myself-and-also-walked-it/

Ethereal
10-31-2014, 10:53 PM
This is good news.

The rest of this $#@!fest is pathetic.

Just because I don't like Obama doesn't mean I don't like you.

:grin:

momsapplepie
10-31-2014, 10:55 PM
yeah. It's pretty pathetic the obama adminstration is so screwed up, they would let a decorated soldier languish in in mexihole prison until they needed to act like they fuckin cared, just in time for an election, for a political play.

del
10-31-2014, 11:08 PM
why can't you address the topic? Is insulting all you can do? It's evident all you can do is "bad faith" posting.

i did address the topic and bobby chose to insult me.

put a sock in it

del
10-31-2014, 11:09 PM
Show us some photos of your carvings! Did you honestly think that would hurt my feelings?

A guy that once worked in the same office I was in during 71-72 was married to woman who had a gift of making things from ceramic I believe, created a chess game for me. Then I paid her about $100 for it.

awesome story, bob!

momsapplepie
10-31-2014, 11:12 PM
wow! another attack. Par 1 for the bad faith poster!!

silvereyes
10-31-2014, 11:23 PM
wow! another attack. Par 1 for the bad faith poster!!

Hello pot.

Bob
10-31-2014, 11:28 PM
Because use you are being a phoney about it. NOW that he has been released.

If you mean I am unhappy he got released or I was pleased he was captured, something is truly wrong in your head.

Look stop the fight. I was never happy he got caught and I am very happy he is released.

Peter1469
10-31-2014, 11:30 PM
Warning: All stop calling each other names. Stick to the topic.

Bob
10-31-2014, 11:35 PM
i did address the topic and bobby chose to insult me.

put a sock in it

You felt insulted?

Now you are a member of the club.

Bob
10-31-2014, 11:41 PM
Get over yourself



http://gretawire.foxnewsinsider.com/slideshow/i-see-how-the-us-marine-ended-up-in-mexico-accidentally-i-went-to-the-scene-and-drove-it-myself-and-also-walked-it/

Here is the sign.

Looks big to me.

http://cdn.gretawire.foxnewsinsider.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/A1-1-562x374.jpg

Redrose
11-01-2014, 02:31 AM
Don't know why you keep crowing about the PAST.


Because he knows he'll never see it again in his lifetime.

sachem
11-01-2014, 04:21 AM
Those bikers finally arrived?




Seriously though, happy he is out.

Matty
11-01-2014, 07:10 AM
Here is the sign.

Looks big to me.

http://cdn.gretawire.foxnewsinsider.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/A1-1-562x374.jpg
Get over yourself, you were not a bit unhappy he was imprisioned. You went to great lengths to tell us how stupid he was. NOW that he is free you want to pretend you are happy.

Matty
11-01-2014, 07:11 AM
Those bikers finally arrived?




Seriously though, happy he is out.
Phoney!

PolWatch
11-01-2014, 07:50 AM
Cool, now let's go get us some Democrats. yummy. LOL

that's really funny Bob!

PolWatch
11-01-2014, 07:56 AM
1. Glad he's free
2. If he doesn't have the ability to read a sign or a map, he has reading comprehension problems...the Marines won't miss him
3. If you want to tote guns around, ya need to know the laws in area
4. Why has no one been screaming about the 100's of other Americans (some vets) in Mexican jails?
5. When do they send the rescue party for the lost bikers?

Matty
11-01-2014, 08:19 AM
1. Glad he's free
2. If he doesn't have the ability to read a sign or a map, he has reading comprehension problems...the Marines won't miss him
3. If you want to tote guns around, ya need to know the laws in area
4. Why has no one been screaming about the 100's of other Americans (some vets) in Mexican jails?
5. When do they send the rescue party for the lost bikers?



Horse shit

Peter1469
11-01-2014, 08:30 AM
Here is the sign.

Looks big to me.

http://cdn.gretawire.foxnewsinsider.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/A1-1-562x374.jpg

The highway is very wide- 4-5 lanes. And it is usually a parking lot with traffic. The sign is easy to miss if you aren't paying attention. And even if you see it, the last U-turn might be impossible to get to because of traffic.

PolWatch
11-01-2014, 08:40 AM
The highway is very wide- 4-5 lanes. And it is usually a parking lot with traffic. The sign is easy to miss if you aren't paying attention. And even if you see it, the last U-turn might be impossible to get to because of traffic.

Let's see, you have guns or ammo in your vehicle, you know that you don't want to go to Mexico....

sorry, the guy messed up. Lots of people do it. That's why there are still lots of Americans in jail in Mexico for the same reason. Where is the outrage over them? This is a pick & choose sort of uproar. Because he is a vet, we should invade Mexico on a fleet of Harleys and rescue him? Let's leave the college kids, tourists, business people and other vets who didn't do anything worse?

Nope...this is another 'ah-ha, lets make political do-do outta dumb-azz'

Peter1469
11-01-2014, 08:46 AM
Yes, I would be much more careful if I had a gun in my car and I was near Mexico.


All that I was saying, if that the signage is not the best and I can see how you end up crossing the border without intending to at that specific location.


Let's see, you have guns or ammo in your vehicle, you know that you don't want to go to Mexico....

sorry, the guy messed up. Lots of people do it. That's why there are still lots of Americans in jail in Mexico for the same reason. Where is the outrage over them? This is a pick & choose sort of uproar. Because he is a vet, we should invade Mexico on a fleet of Harleys and rescue him? Let's leave the college kids, tourists, business people and other vets who didn't do anything worse?

Nope...this is another 'ah-ha, lets make political do-do outta dumb-azz'

Safety
11-01-2014, 08:53 AM
Yes, I would be much more careful if I had a gun in my car and I was near Mexico.


All that I was saying, if that the signage is not the best and I can see how you end up crossing the border without intending to at that specific location.

A gun, yes I would be careful.....three guns, and it would take an act of god to get me into Mexico by accident.

Safety
11-01-2014, 08:54 AM
Horse shit

What a well thought out and coherent response.

Peter1469
11-01-2014, 08:56 AM
A gun, yes I would be careful.....three guns, and it would take an act of god to get me into Mexico by accident.


I would stop in the road and inch towards the U-turn lane, pissed off drivers be damned.

Matty
11-01-2014, 08:57 AM
Let's see, you have guns or ammo in your vehicle, you know that you don't want to go to Mexico....

sorry, the guy messed up. Lots of people do it. That's why there are still lots of Americans in jail in Mexico for the same reason. Where is the outrage over them? This is a pick & choose sort of uproar. Because he is a vet, we should invade Mexico on a fleet of Harleys and rescue him? Let's leave the college kids, tourists, business people and other vets who didn't do anything worse?

Nope...this is another 'ah-ha, lets make political do-do outta dumb-azz'




No, the dumbass you elected should have picked up the phone explained the situation and the PTSD and gotten the marine released. And guess what? He would not have had to release 5 taliban to do it either.

Safety
11-01-2014, 08:59 AM
I would stop in the road and inch towards the U-turn lane, pissed off drivers be damned.

That's exactly what I would do. If I couldn't perform the U-turn, then suddenly my vehicle would have a "break-down". Anything necessary to not enter Mexico.

Peter1469
11-01-2014, 09:00 AM
Notice: Matalese thread banned for disregarding the warning about name calling.

PolWatch
11-01-2014, 09:03 AM
No, the dumbass you elected should have picked up the phone explained the situation and the PTSD and gotten the marine released. And guess what? He would not have had to release 5 taliban to do it either.

and then you could scream about all the others he left there? get a grip, this is nothing but political BS...if anyone really cared about the situation of Americans in Mexican prisons, we would have heard about it many years ago....and people would still be outraged, instead of sniping at this situation.

Just for grins, google the subject & find out how many are still there...I don't there are enough Harley riders available for the rescue trip.

oopss..didn't see the ban before I hit 'enter'

Safety
11-01-2014, 09:23 AM
and then you could scream about all the others he left there? get a grip, this is nothing but political BS...if anyone really cared about the situation of Americans in Mexican prisons, we would have heard about it many years ago....and people would still be outraged, instead of sniping at this situation.

Just for grins, google the subject & find out how many are still there...I don't there are enough Harley riders available for the rescue trip.

oopss..didn't see the ban before I hit 'enter'

ODS - Obama Deranged Syndrome.

I think obamacare now covers it, luckily it has only a two year latency rate. I think you will see a drop in cases after 2016.

PolWatch
11-01-2014, 09:27 AM
ODS - Obama Deranged Syndrome.

I think obamacare now covers it, luckily it has only a two year latency rate. I think you will see a drop in cases after 2016.

I hope so...I'm ready to blame everything in the world on someone else....knowing who to blame is soooo comforting!

Alyosha
11-01-2014, 09:36 AM
1. Glad he's free
2. If he doesn't have the ability to read a sign or a map, he has reading comprehension problems...the Marines won't miss him
3. If you want to tote guns around, ya need to know the laws in area
4. Why has no one been screaming about the 100's of other Americans (some vets) in Mexican jails?
5. When do they send the rescue party for the lost bikers?

Here is why we care, because the kid made an honest mistake late at night and made a phone call to foolishly get help thus screwing himself. Because Mexican jails are no joke. Because he serves, not served in the past tense his country to keep you, me, and all the other people on here snarking, and lastly if you know me you know I care about innocent or non violent people being incarcerated. I am not a prosecutor but a defense attorney for a reason.

In this country people like myself protest the incarceration of nonviolent offenders not just Tamorisi. We protest unjust incarceration. Each year I write letters of memorandum in regards to Leonard Peltier. Injustice in Mexico or the Dakotas is injustice anywhere.

quite frankly I'm surprised and dismayed by a lot of folks in this thread.

Alyosha
11-01-2014, 09:39 AM
and then you could scream about all the others he left there? get a grip, this is nothing but political BS...if anyone really cared about the situation of Americans in Mexican prisons, we would have heard about it many years ago....and people would still be outraged, instead of sniping at this situation.

Just for grins, google the subject & find out how many are still there...I don't there are enough Harley riders available for the rescue trip.

oopss..didn't see the ban before I hit 'enter'

It takes a martyr to make people care. There is a reason Buddhist monks set themselves on fire in Vietnam.

PolWatch
11-01-2014, 09:42 AM
I agree...which is why I question the extreme concern about this ONE person while ignoring all the others. I was born & raised in Texas & have been aware of Americans imprisioned in horrible conditions in Mexico for my entire life...including childhood friends who went to Mexico, got drunk & put in jail. They should ALL be receiving the level of concern this one person has received. While I respect anyone who serves our country, I don't think he is entitled to special treatment or attention in this situation.

At least one American has been returned home...if its not just political BS, when will the public start demanding they ALL come home?

Alyosha
11-01-2014, 09:53 AM
I agree...which is why I question the extreme concern about this ONE person while ignoring all the others. I was born & raised in Texas & have been aware of Americans imprisioned in horrible conditions in Mexico for my entire life...including childhood friends who went to Mexico, got drunk & put in jail. They should ALL be receiving the level of concern this one person has received. While I respect anyone who serves our country, I don't think he is entitled to special treatment or attention in this situation.

At least one American has been returned home...if its not just political BS, when will the public start demanding they ALL come home?

The general public does not think past the idea that if you are arrested you HAD to have done something horrible. Seeing a marine in that type of jail makes people think and that is not a bad thing.

The president can call in a favor to get JayZ and Beyoncé a vacation to Cuba but we can't go to Cuba without cheating the system. The president can get a deserter released by giving up combatants but can't call the president of Mexico and get this kid released? It wasn't important to him. That's just a fact. It was on TV he knew people cared and did nothing by choice. His choices are different ones so people can be angry about that.

I'm angry that Clinton pardoned Mark Rich and not Leonard Peltier, that Bush refused to.... I'm allowed to be angry with their choices without a label of Obama derangement syndrome.

The Xl
11-01-2014, 10:01 AM
I'm glad the guy is out, but the notion that we should have busted him out by any means necessary, or that his case is more special than bullshit arrests and prosecutions in our own country is absurd. He, willingly or otherwise, whatever, committed a crime on foreign soil with their own laws. It really wasn't our call here. We have people in prison on gun laws in the country and others in prison for non violent, victimless crimes, but our priority lies in someone who broke the law of another country?

PolWatch
11-01-2014, 10:02 AM
I realize that we can't bleed for everyone. I don't expect it. I just would like to see this incident wake people up to the other Americans being held in Mexico because its WRONG, not because its political hay. Yes, it could have been handled easily if someone had picked up a phone...the same as the others could be helped the same way...but if there is no political hay to be harvested...

To me, its like seeing a pack of starving dogs & picking one, taking him home and feeding him...while throwing rocks at the others. Do we now just pat ourselves on the back & forget?

Peter1469
11-01-2014, 10:13 AM
Symbolism is important. I would have deployed military assets along the border and closed it down until the marine was released. I would have had the 82nd ready for a mass attack and an armored division or two to relieve them.

The Mexicans would have folded.

Alyosha
11-01-2014, 10:18 AM
I'm glad the guy is out, but the notion that we should have busted him out by any means necessary, or that his case is more special than bullshit arrests and prosecutions in our own country is absurd. He, willingly or otherwise, whatever, committed a crime on foreign soil with their own laws. It really wasn't our call here. We have people in prison on gun laws in the country and others in prison for non violent, victimless crimes, but our priority lies in someone who broke the law of another country?

And Mexico sends us how many jobs? How much in aid? How many of their workers come to the US illegally and don't end up in jail? It is an affront to good relations all things considered.

The Xl
11-01-2014, 10:21 AM
And Mexico sends us how many jobs? How much in aid? How many of their workers come to the US illegally and don't end up in jail? It is an affront to good relations all things considered.

So what?

In any case, why should this guy be a priority over people imprisoned by our own system? We have states that can imprison you for possession, but we'd go after a country that does the same?

Alyosha
11-01-2014, 10:21 AM
I realize that we can't bleed for everyone. I don't expect it. I just would like to see this incident wake people up to the other Americans being held in Mexico because its WRONG, not because its political hay. Yes, it could have been handled easily if someone had picked up a phone...the same as the others could be helped the same way...but if there is no political hay to be harvested...

To me, its like seeing a pack of starving dogs & picking one, taking him home and feeding him...while throwing rocks at the others. Do we now just pat ourselves on the back & forget?

I do not forget the casualties of the drug war, but if you point that out it is Obama Derangement Syndrome, as well. Bush got more people out, and btw I don't like Bush just making a point, did more to calm it than the Great Constitutional Scholar. When a Republican is easier on drugs than a Democrat those are strange times indeed.

Alyosha
11-01-2014, 10:21 AM
So what?

In any case, why should this guy be a priority over people imprisoned by our own system? We have states that can imprison you for possession, but we'd go after a country that does the same?

If you recall I do defend alleged criminals in the US and get them out of our system. Where is my hypocrisy again?

The Xl
11-01-2014, 10:23 AM
If you recall I do defend criminals in the US and get them out of our system. Where is my hypocrisy again?

Not you specifically, but the people that are prioritizing him over others, and the people, like Code I believe, I could be wrong, don't really remember exactly, that insinuated at busting him out.

And yes, you do bust those people out, but you get paid handsomely to do so. I don't think people are calling for him to pay that sort of expense, nor will he have to.

PolWatch
11-01-2014, 10:23 AM
I wonder if Mexico would have tried symbolism in return? The Mexican army lined up on the other side. How long until someone goofs? I don't know, I just think something like that would be a bad idea...everyone trying to out macho the other...

I agree something should have been done earlier...about 20 years ago because this fella ain't the first goofus to end up in a Mexican jail. There are still plenty of Americans in jail down there...but I don't think we will be hearing anything about them. Some citizens are more important than others...I guess.

XI made a good point about our own country holding innocent prisoners and I don't see many here too upset about that situation often either.

sorry if I sound grumpy...must be too much chocolate from last night!

Alyosha
11-01-2014, 10:26 AM
Not you specifically, but the people that are prioritizing him over others, and the people, like Code I believe, I could be wrong, don't really remember exactly, that insinuated at busting him out.

And yes, you do bust those people out, but you get paid handsomely to do so. I don't think people are calling for him to pay that sort of expense, nor will he have to.

No, the low level offenders I do pro bono, actually. I don't forget Detroit.

Alyosha
11-01-2014, 10:29 AM
I wonder if Mexico would have tried symbolism in return? The Mexican army lined up on the other side. How long until someone goofs? I don't know, I just think something like that would be a bad idea...everyone trying to out macho the other...

I agree something should have been done earlier...about 20 years ago because this fella ain't the first goofus to end up in a Mexican jail. There are still plenty of Americans in jail down there...but I don't think we will be hearing anything about them. Some citizens are more important than others...I guess.

XI made a good point about our own country holding innocent prisoners and I don't see many here too upset about that situation often either.

sorry if I sound grumpy...must be too much chocolate from last night!

For all of XL s good intentions his argument doesn't fly comparatively. As someone who works in the US justice system how we treat foreign prisoners is better than how hospital patients are treated in Eastern Europe. It just no contest. Break a law here and you can be out on bail even a heinous law. Not the same there.

The Xl
11-01-2014, 10:29 AM
No, the low level offenders I do pro bono, actually. I don't forget Detroit.

And that's why you're awesome.

The Xl
11-01-2014, 10:30 AM
For all of XL s good intentions his argument doesn't fly comparatively. As someone who works in the US justice system how we treat foreign prisoners is better than how hospital patients are treated in Eastern Europe. It just no contest. Break a law here and you can be out on bail even a heinous law. Not the same there.

I was talking about how we treat our own.

PolWatch
11-01-2014, 10:32 AM
conditions are better, no doubt. but innocence imprisoned is still wrong... I read about the drug wars, the sentences imposed for non-violent offenders, the violent offenders being released due to over crowding (to make room for the non-violent), the women who get the same sentences because their husband/boyfriend is a dealer...grumpy doesn't cover it.

Alyosha
11-01-2014, 10:38 AM
I was talking about how we treat our own.

Yes but say you're arrested for heroin sales less than an ounce, you will be arrested, processed and be home that night. Say you make a wrong turn in America you're not in jail even with guns. You get a hearing, bond or bail, etc.

Bob
11-01-2014, 10:40 AM
Yes, that is about it. People need to realize, it was a mistake. Unfortunately, the Obama administration had precluded that mistake with intentional government exacerbation by their little gun running to Mexican cartels. Now, just before the election, the administration thinks stepping in when it should have been done months ago, is going to buy them something. Sorry, but Obama and his minions just $#@!in suck. They shat on a soldier for their own gain. But then that's nothing new for a dem scum.

ABC TV has been running the story this morning that his release just followed the normal Mexican justice process. I really am happy for him, his family and the nation that he is once more free.

The Xl
11-01-2014, 10:42 AM
Yes but say you're arrested for heroin sales less than an ounce, you will be arrested, processed and be home that night. Say you make a wrong turn in America you're not in jail even with guns. You get a hearing, bond or bail, etc.

Isn't that more of Americas problem than anything? Us treating foreigners better than we do our own isn't a Mexican problem, or anyones elses problem, it is our own problem.

Bob
11-01-2014, 10:43 AM
Yes but say you're arrested for heroin sales less than an ounce, you will be arrested, processed and be home that night. Say you make a wrong turn in America you're not in jail even with guns. You get a hearing, bond or bail, etc.


I suppose you can compare this guy getting into Mexico vs being caught with guns in CA.

This happened in 1989 in San Francisco.

http://articles.latimes.com/1989-04-22/sports/sp-2124_1_laurel-heights-arrested-campus

Alyosha
11-01-2014, 10:48 AM
Isn't that more of Americas problem than anything? Us treating foreigners better than we do our own isn't a Mexican problem, or anyones elses problem, it is our own problem.

Well our own get the same treatment. The only difference is that if they are nabbed on a violent crime they can get deported.

Bob
11-01-2014, 10:58 AM
I realize that we can't bleed for everyone. I don't expect it. I just would like to see this incident wake people up to the other Americans being held in Mexico because its WRONG, not because its political hay. Yes, it could have been handled easily if someone had picked up a phone...the same as the others could be helped the same way...but if there is no political hay to be harvested...

To me, its like seeing a pack of starving dogs & picking one, taking him home and feeding him...while throwing rocks at the others. Do we now just pat ourselves on the back & forget?

I dunno. Have more chocolate and get back to us to tell us!!!!!

How can chocolate make you grumpy when most women get happy eating chocolate?

Say, I don't plan to leave this Avatar too long so you better get a good look at one weird shark that is extinct. That mouth has a strange row of teeth in a circle of some kind. I don't know if it spun or not.

Bob
11-01-2014, 11:23 AM
That idiot decided to try to pick a fight with me as usual. I told her and told her, I know that highway very well. I have driven through that border crossing into Mexico maybe half a dozen times or more.

I told her CA at least provides turn around points so if you dont' want to enter Mexico,just use the turn around.

Some of you know the Holland Tunnel from New Jersey into NY City. Did you know they also have a turn around? I needed to stop going through the tunnel and a female cop showed me how to turn around. I was flustered by passing through a fastpass gate and had no pass and wanted to pay the toll.

Anyway, it does not cost money to enter Mexico but this guy should have been awake and he would not have gone to jail if his story is entirely true.

That Holland Tunnel story sure had me upset that night.

I had left VA early the AM to get to a motel by the Holland Tunnel. I can't recall this instant where my glasses were but they were not at hand. I had never been there on that part of I-95 before and without glasses, could not make out the signs saying fast pass quickly enough. The toll charge was from where you enter New Jersey clear to the tunnel. I think I may still have that toll ticket around someplace. I got to the empty toll thinking I could pay the fare. Nobody was there. I exited and spotted a cop car. I was lucky and found a female cop who informed me I could use a tun around. I had not noticed one. She directed traffic as I recall to let me spin around. I entered the toll ticket area going back and hit the next exit. That time I got into the right toll booth and paid that fare. I was told by the toll guy that he could not take the cash for the other fare. That I had to wait for a higher fare to be mailed to me by the authority. Anyway, I was using a rental care picked up at Reagan Airport in VA. I never got a reminder nor a bill. Maybe the rent car company did, I just don't know. I came back to CA wondering what next. There was no next. I sure did not plan to chase them down.

Message, when you hit toll booths, don't forget your glasses if you need them. I have worse vision at night now that the old body got so old.

I had surgery on my left eye to remove the cataract and will soon do it to the right eye. I get super vision with the new lens but close up the focus is off. I have delayed because I have been able to read print better with the right eye but the cataract in the right eye is getting worse.

I talked to the doctor about having the left eye keep the long distance excellent vision and making the right eye best for reading. Anybody have an opinion on that? I can of course have both eyes great at distance and use glasses to read. I am used to glasses and I am currently leaning in that direction. I also found out they now have bifocal lens they can put in but that would give me bifocal in the right eye with the other still long distance. Those long distance signs I used to read easily can be read easily with the left eye. My right eye can't see them at all. What I learned about this too was strange so far as I am concerned. I can look at both eyes in the mirror and not see the cataract in the right eye. But the liquid in the natural lens has clouded but the eye has none of that white look to it I hear happens.

Bob
11-01-2014, 11:29 AM
that's really funny Bob!

Waal, thankee maam.

I can't recall him super clear but I suspect my favorite uncle that got killed in combat in Korea had a great sense of humor. I and the kids crowded around him when he would get leave. And he played the guitar very well. Mom was 17 years older than me and he was younger than her, so perhaps his age being closer to me was a factor. I recall the time he pulled out a bunch of photos in black and white he took of dead Japs on those islands he invaded in the South Pacific. At the time, as a kid, it did not bother me to see dead Japs. Must have really stank up the place. In movies you can't smell the battle field.

Bob
11-01-2014, 11:41 AM
1. Glad he's free
2. If he doesn't have the ability to read a sign or a map, he has reading comprehension problems...the Marines won't miss him
3. If you want to tote guns around, ya need to know the laws in area
4. Why has no one been screaming about the 100's of other Americans (some vets) in Mexican jails?
5. When do they send the rescue party for the lost bikers?

That sums it up for me too.

I sympathize with this guy for missing signs. I figure when he was in TJ, he got laid and drunk. It is super easy to get laid in TJ and booze is all over.

Last time I drove there it was to check into having a car get new upholstery. They are famous for good work at low prices.

I pulled into a shop with the car and the guy gave me a price. I saw no cars being worked on. I asked him to show me samples. He says to me, Senior, you should have seen that Jaguar I did for some guy from CA. It was a super job. Anyway, I wanted more bids and drove to a different shop. Again I got a bid but saw no cars in progress to judge his work by. I told him the same thing, I wanted to see work.

You will not believe his story. He said almost word by word the same thing about a Jaguar the other shop owner told me. I drove off laughing they have a story they might all tell. I had things I had to do back at San Diego and took off.

A different time, me and a real estate guy drove from San Diego to TJ to see dog races. We got there on the wrong day and saw none. But I am somewhat familiar with that entry into Mexico. I see somebody managed to get herself banned from this thread.

It might have been my first time into TJ on our honeymoon with my first wife that I parked our car and some guy rushed up to me telling us he knew the best place to get married. We informed him we had just got married. As fast as he could talk, he comes out and says. I know the best place to get a divorce. I was not amused but my wife probably was. One time I drove into TJ and took that freeway that takes you to the Pacific Ocean coast to see how it looked. There are some pretty large homes over there I was not expecting to see. I never get a good impression of TJ but that is coast trip is as deep into Mexico I have been. Here in CA we hear some stories about problems in Mexico so I have not had any urgency to get into that country. It used to be cops would stop you and you had to pay bribes. I don't know if that is a problem today. I was never bothered by cops in TJ.

Bob
11-01-2014, 11:46 AM
Horse shit

Ask the Marines posting if they took map reading courses. Ask Peter if he can read maps. I was trained in that in the Army even though in the Boy Scouts we also read maps.

I would think Marines are very observant when it comes to things like that. (sorry you managed to get banned)

Bob
11-01-2014, 11:49 AM
The highway is very wide- 4-5 lanes. And it is usually a parking lot with traffic. The sign is easy to miss if you aren't paying attention. And even if you see it, the last U-turn might be impossible to get to because of traffic.

Exactly so, other than he had signs at a slow speed exiting the parking lot. It says Mexico only clearly. If he got drunk, had he got stopped by CA cops, he still would end up in jail. Can't say for how long but they do jail drunks caught driving.

PolWatch
11-01-2014, 11:51 AM
I dunno. Have more chocolate and get back to us to tell us!!!!!

How can chocolate make you grumpy when most women get happy eating chocolate?

Say, I don't plan to leave this Avatar too long so you better get a good look at one weird shark that is extinct. That mouth has a strange row of teeth in a circle of some kind. I don't know if it spun or not.

chocolate hang-over....sugar crash! :rollseyes: I think I need more chocolate!

I like the shark...we can't take ourselves too seriously on this forum or we would go nuts (or worse than we started)

Peter1469
11-01-2014, 11:52 AM
Ask the Marines posting if they took map reading courses. Ask Peter if he can read maps. I was trained in that in the Army even though in the Boy Scouts we also read maps.

I would think Marines are very observant when it comes to things like that. (sorry you managed to get banned)

I am excellent with the lensatic compass (http://www.trails.com/how_30629_use-lensatic-compass.html) and military map.

Bob
11-01-2014, 11:57 AM
It takes a martyr to make people care. There is a reason Buddhist monks set themselves on fire in Vietnam.

I was in my mid 20's when that happened. I recall it on the news fairly often. I kept thinking, those monks are crazy.

I might be one of the few who recall the Profumo/Keeler affair too. That happened when I was still in Germany.

Bob
11-01-2014, 12:02 PM
The general public does not think past the idea that if you are arrested you HAD to have done something horrible. Seeing a marine in that type of jail makes people think and that is not a bad thing.

The president can call in a favor to get JayZ and Beyoncé a vacation to Cuba but we can't go to Cuba without cheating the system. The president can get a deserter released by giving up combatants but can't call the president of Mexico and get this kid released? It wasn't important to him. That's just a fact. It was on TV he knew people cared and did nothing by choice. His choices are different ones so people can be angry about that.

I'm angry that Clinton pardoned Mark Rich and not Leonard Peltier, that Bush refused to.... I'm allowed to be angry with their choices without a label of Obama derangement syndrome.

I learned this from you, that Peltier is still locked up. But don't forget, he is an Indian. I don't say Native American for the same reason I don't say African American.

Come to think of it, why can't this Government come up with a word for the tribes other than Indian?

Maybe just name the tribe?

I wonder how many can name the state with the highest number of tribes?

Captain Obvious
11-04-2014, 11:45 AM
Thanks for proving my point asshole! Fucking rich.
Matalese - what was that you were saying about insults?

Captain Obvious
11-04-2014, 11:46 AM
You you were scornful and an asshole about it. So don't get all phoney and shit now.

@Matalese (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=796) - what was that you were saying about insults?