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Calypso Jones
05-23-2012, 02:14 PM
First President to apply for college aid as a foreign student, then deny he was a foreigner.

First President to have a social security number from a state he has never lived in.

First President to preside over a cut to the credit-rating of the United States.

First President to violate the War Powers Act.

First President to be held in contempt of court for illegally obstructing oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico.

First President to defy a Federal Judge’s court order to cease implementing the Health Care Reform Law.

First President to require all Americans to purchase a product from a third party, a violation of the U.S. Constitution.

First President to spend a trillion dollars on ‘shovel-ready’ jobs when there was no such thing as ‘shovel-ready’ jobs.

First President to recommend changing our National Anthem as it portrays and promotes violence and is warlike in its theme.

First President to cancel the National Day of Prayer Breakfast and activities.

First President to initiate a Cash for Clunkers Program to clean up exhaust that adds to global warming, then extended it because it was so popular — wasting hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars.

First President to abrogate bankruptcy law to turn over control of companies to his union supporters.

First President to bypass Congress and implement the Dream Act through executive fiat.

more at the link:

http://www.westernjournalism.com/obamas-rather-impressive-list-of-accomplishments/

Mine:

First president to be carried kicking and screaming out of the white house after losing to Republican.

coolwalker
05-23-2012, 03:03 PM
...and First President to write a book about his father that was actually about him and still full of lies.

keymanjim
05-23-2012, 03:12 PM
First president to have his literary agent tell the world that he was born in Kenya, only to have that information spontaneously retracted just before being born in Kenya would become a game stopper.

coolwalker
05-23-2012, 04:26 PM
First president to have his literary agent tell the world that he was born in Kenya, only to have that information spontaneously retracted just before being born in Kenya would become a game stopper.

...and the first president to be exposed in print for being rather undignified and also threatening...

Aristophanes
05-23-2012, 04:43 PM
...and the first president to be exposed in print for being rather undignified and also threatening...And in every medium known to man.

AttaaaackWaaaaatch anyone?

Calypso Jones
05-23-2012, 05:16 PM
Continuing from the article:

First President to order a secret amnesty program that stopped the deportation of illegal immigrants across the U.S., including those with criminal convictions.

First President to demand a company hand over $20 billion to one of his political appointees.

First President to terminate America’s ability to put a man in space.

First President to have a law signed by an auto-pen without being present.

First President to arbitrarily declare an existing law unconstitutional and refuse to enforce it.

First President to threaten insurance companies if they publicly spoke out on the reasons for their rate increases.

First President to tell a major manufacturing company which state they are allowed to locate a factory in.

First President to file lawsuits against the states he swore an oath to protect (AZ, WI, OH, IN).

First President to withdraw an existing coal permit that had been properly issued years ago.

First President to fire an inspector general of Americorps for catching one of his friends in a corruption case.

Trinnity
05-23-2012, 07:24 PM
Killing our space program while throwing money at a debt deepening BS stimulus bill was SO wrong.

Goldie Locks
05-23-2012, 08:20 PM
President Barack Obama's Complete List of Historic Firsts [Updated]










Yes, he's historic, alright.

• First President to Preside Over a Cut to the Credit Rating of the United States Government (http://spectator.org/blog/2011/07/23/us-credit-rating-now-cut-as-bo)

• First President to Violate the War Powers Act (http://www.therightscoop.com/levin-obama-only-president-not-to-comply-with-war-powers-act/)

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-HOpzGsq04FU/Toh-KtxjLhI/AAAAAAAAnes/FCUQxp0QkMA/s1600/111002-solyndra-o-golf-small.jpg (http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2011/10/your-handy-dandy-solargate-cheat-sheet.html)• First President to Orchestrate the Sale of Murder Weapons to Mexican Drug Cartels (http://washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/2011/06/operation-fast-and-furious-should-end-holder-tenure#ixzz1PYSFCAxR)

• First President to issue an unlawful "recess-appointment" while the U.S. Senate remained in session (http://blog.heritage.org/2012/01/04/obama-doj-undercuts-presidents-recess-appointment-stunt/) (against the advice of his own Justice Department).

• First President to be Held in Contempt of Court for Illegally Obstructing Oil Drilling in the Gulf of Mexico (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0211/48745.html)

• First president to intentionally disable credit card security measures (http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2012/05/dubious-donations-gangster-government-edition.php) in order to allow over-the-limit donations, foreign contributions and other illegal fundraising measures.

• First President to Defy a Federal Judge's Court Order to Cease Implementing the 'Health Care Reform' Law (http://dailycaller.com/2011/01/31/obama-admin-vows-to-continue-implementing-health-care-law-despite-ruling/)

• First President to halt deportations of illegal aliens and grant them work permits (https://www.numbersusa.com/content/news/august-19-2011/obama-official-illegal-aliens-will-receive-work-permits.html), a form of stealth amnesty roughly equivalent to "The DREAM Act", which could not pass Congress

• First President to Sign a Law Requiring All Americans to Purchase a Product From a Third Party (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303714704576383443814815916.html?m od=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop)

• First President to Spend a Trillion Dollars on 'Shovel-Ready' Jobs -- and Later Admit There Was No Such Thing as Shovel-Ready Jobs (http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=44158)

• First President to sue states for requiring valid IDs to vote (http://blog.heritage.org/2011/12/27/south-carolina-and-voter-id-when-politics-drives-law-enforcement/), even though the same administration requires valid IDs to travel by air

• First President to Abrogate Bankruptcy Law to Turn Over Control of Companies to His Union Supporters (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124217356836613091.html)

• First President to sign into law a bill that permits the government to "hold anyone suspected of being associated with terrorism indefinitely, without any form of due process. No indictment. No judge or jury. No evidence. No trial. Just an indefinite jail sentence. (http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-ndaa-bill-2012-1)"

• First President to Bypass Congress and Implement the DREAM Act Through Executive Fiat (http://dailycaller.com/2011/06/20/white-house-loosens-border-rules-for-2012/)

• First President to Threaten Insurance Companies After They Publicly Spoke out on How Obamacare Helped Cause their Rate Increases (http://wolfhowling.blogspot.com/2011/01/state-of-economy-headed-at-warp-speed.html)

• First President to Openly Defy a Congressional Order (http://hotair.com/archives/2012/03/26/congressman-to-obama-youd-better-not-be-trading-away-our-missile-defense-champ/) Not To Share Sensitive Nuclear Defense Secrets With the Russian Government

• First President to Threaten an Auto Company (Ford) After It Publicly Mocked Bailouts of GM and Chrysler (http://isthisblogon.wordpress.com/2011/09/27/ford-pulls-ad-critical-of-auto-bailout/)

• First President to "Order a Secret Amnesty Program that Stopped the Deportations of Illegal Immigrants Across the U.S., Including Those With Criminal Convictions (http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2011/jun/dhs-lies-covers-stealth-amnesty)"

• First President to Demand a Company Hand Over $20 Billion to One of His Political Appointees (http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/06/17/christian-whiton-obama-bp-gulf-escrow-victims-fund-lawless/)

• First President to Terminate America's Ability to Put a Man into Space (http://www.uncoverage.net/2010/04/astronauts-go-ballistic-over-obama-nasa-cuts/).

• First President to Encourage Racial Discrimination and Intimidation at Polling Places (http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article/548003/201009211903/Black-Panthergate.aspx)

• First President to Have a Law Signed By an 'Auto-pen' Without Being "Present" (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/28/us/politics/28sign.html)

• First President to send $200 million to a terrorist organization (Hamas) (http://moonbattery.com/?p=11172&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter) after Congress had explicitly frozen themoney (http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2011/06/president-barack-obamas-complete-list.html#) for fear it would fund attacks against civilians.

• First President to Arbitrarily Declare an Existing Law Unconstitutional and Refuse to Enforce It (http://www.libertyjuice.com/2011/02/25/lawless-doj-will-no-longer-defend-doma/)

• First President to Tell a Major Manufacturing Company In Which State They Are Allowed to Locate a Factory (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303823104576391740089896676.html?m od=googlenews_wsj)

• First President to refuse to comply with a House Oversight Committee subpoena (http://origin.blog.heritage.org/2011/08/12/nlrb-refuses-to-comply-with-house-oversight-subpoena/).

• First President to File Lawsuits Against the States He Swore an Oath to Protect (AZ, WI, OH, IN, etc.) (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/07/06/justice-department-file-suit-arizona-early-tuesday/)

• First President to Withdraw an Existing Coal Permit That Had Been Properly Issued Years Ago (http://wolfhowling.blogspot.com/2011/01/state-of-economy-headed-at-warp-speed.html)

• First President to Fire an Inspector General of Americorps for Catching One of His Friends in a Corruption Case (http://wolfhowling.blogspot.com/2009/06/descent-into-corruption-abuse-of-power.html)

• First President to Propose an Executive Order Demanding Companies Disclose Their Political Contributions to Bid on Government Contracts (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703992704576305414137806694.html)

• First President to Preside Over America's Loss of Its Status as the World's Largest Economy (Source: Peterson Institute (http://www.piie.com/blogs/?p=1935))

• First President to Have His Administration Fund an Organization Tied to the Cop-Killing Weather Underground (http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/299147/dohrn-connection-robert-verbruggenAmazing.%20Eric%20Holder%E2%80%99s%20DOJ %20funds%20a%20Bernadine%20Dohrn-connected%20organizationNRO)

• First President to allow Mexican police to conduct law enforcement activities on American soil (http://bigpeace.com/nmachiavelli/2011/08/26/obama-administration-allowing-mexican-police-to-operate-on-us-soil-wants-to-apply-lessons-of-afghanistan-to-mexico/)

• First president to propose budgets so unreasonable that not a single representative from either party would cast a vote in favor ("Senate unanimously rejected President Obama's budget last year in 0-97 vote", Politico, "House Votes 414-0 to Reject Obama’s Budget Plan", Blaze)

• First President to press for a "treaty giving a U.N. body veto power over the use of our territorial waters and rights to half of all offshore oil revenue" (http://news.investors.com/article/610769/201205081849/obama-pushes-law-of-the-sea-treaty.htm?src=IBDDAE) (The Law Of The Sea Treaty)

• First President to Golf 90 or More Times in His First Three Years in Office (http://weaselzippers.us/2011/06/18/golf-summit-obama-hits-the-links-for-12th-straight-weekend-73rd-round-since-taking-office/)

http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2011/06/president-barack-obamas-complete-list.html

spunkloaf
05-23-2012, 08:30 PM
First "liberal" president to antagonize so many conservatives simply by having little to nothing wrong with him, and not responding to their arrogant and empty insults. :laugh:

For real, I think the fact that he is so unresponsive to the jabs thrown at him is what irks conservatives the most.

The man's got class. Sets such a good example for everybody who's got those envious haters in their lives trying to drag them down.

Goldie Locks
05-23-2012, 08:48 PM
First "liberal" president to antagonize so many conservatives simply by having little to nothing wrong with him, and not responding to their arrogant and empty insults. :laugh:

For real, I think the fact that he is so unresponsive to the jabs thrown at him is what irks conservatives the most.

The man's got class. Sets such a good example for everybody who's got those envious haters in their lives trying to drag them down.


He's thin skinned and an a lying egotistic narcissistic sociopath...but whatever floats your boat. Just bury your head in the sand about all those stats.

spunkloaf
05-23-2012, 08:55 PM
He's thin skinned and an a lying egotistic narcissistic sociopath...but whatever floats your boat. Just bury your head in the sand about all those stats.

Yeah, so I've heard. I'm floored by the buffet of folklore and horror tales about him since he's gained the public's interest. I thought I was good at making up such tripe about public figures who pissed me off, but I'm largely outdone. America's population has the best imaginations in the world. It's amazing. :cool2:

Goldie Locks
05-23-2012, 08:57 PM
Yeah, so I've heard. I'm floored by the buffet of folklore and horror tales about him since he's gained the public's interest. I thought I was good at making up such tripe about public figures who pissed me off, but I'm largely outdone. America's population has the best imaginations in the world. It's amazing. :cool2:

He's a serial liar, if you can't see that, then you're dumber than I thought.

ramone
05-23-2012, 09:12 PM
Yeah, so I've heard. I'm floored by the buffet of folklore and horror tales about him since he's gained the public's interest. I thought I was good at making up such tripe about public figures who pissed me off, but I'm largely outdone. America's population has the best imaginations in the world. It's amazing. :cool2:

You think? They still put people in brush piles and burn them for being witches in Africa, you think that might be a contender for best imagination?

spunkloaf
05-23-2012, 09:20 PM
He's a serial liar, if you can't see that, then you're dumber than I thought.

Ouch. :sad: I thought our relationship was on the mend.

Hmm...

I just can't stay mad at those golden waves of shimmering silk, though. :icon_blackeye:

spunkloaf
05-23-2012, 09:24 PM
You think? They still put people in brush piles and burn them for being witches in Africa, you think that might be a contender for best imagination?

I'm trying to take you seriously, but I'm just not understanding where you are coming from. I'm really not trying to be mean. Could you explain to me what you are talking about, and what it is relevant to?

Goldie Locks
05-23-2012, 09:27 PM
Ouch. :sad: I thought our relationship was on the mend.

Hmm...

I just can't stay mad at those golden waves of shimmering silk, though. :icon_blackeye:

But you refuse to answer the question...You'll vote for Ubama no matter what won't you???

spunkloaf
05-23-2012, 09:44 PM
But you refuse to answer the question...You'll vote for Ubama no matter what won't you???

Hey. Louise. First of all, I think you're trying too hard to paint a book's cover so that you can judge the literature, here. Secondly, I'm not sure it would make much sense for anybody to throw away their vote writing in "Ubama" on the ballot. You should try it and let me know how it turns out though.

keymanjim
05-23-2012, 10:09 PM
First president to release the details of a top secret anti-terrorism operation just so Hollywood can make propaganda movies about him.
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/13421/

wingrider
05-23-2012, 11:42 PM
the first president we ever had that made me sorry I voted for him.

spunkloaf
05-23-2012, 11:47 PM
the first president we ever had that made me sorry I voted for him.

Hmm. Revealing.

What about Obama appealed to you when you decided to vote for him?

ramone
05-23-2012, 11:53 PM
I'm trying to take you seriously, but I'm just not understanding where you are coming from. I'm really not trying to be mean. Could you explain to me what you are talking about, and what it is relevant to?

Your post was this:

Yeah, so I've heard. I'm floored by the buffet of folklore and horror tales about him since he's gained the public's interest. I thought I was good at making up such tripe about public figures who pissed me off, but I'm largely outdone. America's population has the best imaginations in the world. It's amazing.

Possibly my crazy satire, but how much imagination do you have to have to burn people alive thinking they may be a witch? Sound like something you've heard before, umm around the time of the Salem witch trials, This is modern day in Africa.

spunkloaf
05-24-2012, 12:04 AM
Your post was this:


Possibly satire, but how much imagination do you have to have to burn people alive thinking they may be a witch? Sound like something you've heard before, umm around the time of the Salem witch trials, This is modern day there.

Yeah the Salem witch trials. Bunch of religious social-conservative types who are hypothesized to have been mass-hallucinating on a mold that would have infected their food supply. Ever tried mushrooms before? Mushrooms, mold...both a fungus with the potency to make your imagination go wild.

I wonder what kind of poisoning people are undergoing to believe all the bullshit conspiracies about Obama? Probably nothing like kool-aid. :grin:

ramone
05-24-2012, 12:26 AM
Yep, Spunk. I've done shrooms and micro dot, along with many other mind altering substances in my day. I never thought somebody was a witch and wanted to either burn or hang them. It is weak minded people who think they can fly off a building and are Superman or some shit. There lies the problem doesn't it? Weak minded people who do stupid stuff. That would sum up the liberal/progressive party wouldn't it?

My advise, is don't drink the purple drank.........You might end up looking like Obama, cept for the Dumbo ears anyway.

dsolo802
05-24-2012, 12:51 AM
A pack of bald-faced lies. Establishing quite a reputation for yourself, Calypso!


First President to apply for college aid as a foreign student, then deny he was a foreigner.Utter birther falsehood. Trying to portray an April fool's prank as proof of yet another obscene lie, tsk, tsk, tsk. This tripe was debunked a long, long, time ago. See, http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/occidental.asp


First President to have a social security number from a state he has never lived in.Another whopper. Based on the area number of his social security number, those desperate to prove his illegitimacy "proved" that Obama would have had to be living in Connecticut to have received the number he did, and yet never lived in Connecticut. Gotcha Barry! right? Not at all. Prior to 1972 social security numbers were issued on the basis of the issuing Social security office, not the residency of the individual for whom the card was issued.


First President to preside over a cut to the credit-rating of the United States.Literally accurate, but obscuring the truth. Moody's laid responsibility for this self-inflicted fiasco on the polarization of the parties. The Republican Party had refused to do what has been done 74 times since 1962, 10 since 2001 - that is to simply raise the debt ceiling, without attempting to use the prospect of a disastrous default to extort partisan political gains.

Say what you will about Obama, it was the Republican party that held the country hostage, playing chicken with the downgrade by tying credit ceiling to the demand for additional spending cuts, and it was the Republicans who walked away from additional cuts totaling trillions of dollars because the prevailing fetish for ideological purity in the Republican party made Boehner's job impossible.


First President to violate the War Powers Act.An intentional, bald-faced lie. Congress received appropriate notice from the President on Libya as required by the War Powers Act. .
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/03/21/letter-president-regarding-commencement-operations-libya


First President to be held in contempt of court for illegally obstructing oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico.Wrong again: Clinton was the first President held in contempt of Court, and it took a unanimous Supreme Court ruling to convince Richard Nixon he was not not completely above the law.


First President to defy a Federal Judge’s court order to cease implementing the Health Care Reform Law.Another bald-faced lie. The Obama Administration's request for clarification of the order was treated as a request for a stay, which Judge Vinson granted. The Court declined to enjoin ObamaCare from going forward pending appeal. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/04/health/policy/04judge.html


First President to require all Americans to purchase a product from a third party, a violation of the U.S. Constitution.Wrong again, and off by only 200+ years!

When in 1798 when Founder and President John Adams signed into law legislation requiring privately employed sailors to purchase health care insurance, he was the first President to require Americans to buy a product from a third Party. The legislation was called “An Act for the Relief of Sick and Disabled Seamen" and authorized the creation of a government operated marine hospital service. http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2011/01/17/congress-passes-socialized-medicine-and-mandates-health-insurance-in-1798/


First President to spend a trillion dollars on ‘shovel-ready’ jobs when there was no such thing as ‘shovel-ready’ jobs.This one competes with Burger King and McDonald's as a cheap double whopper: It was $48 billion and not a trillion dollars set aside for transportation projects, which kept 325,000 workers employed in the second quarter of 2011 alone, repairing over 40,000 miles of roads and 1,300 bridges. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0911/64454_Page2.html#ixzz1vkx6oQEW


First President to recommend changing our National Anthem as it portrays and promotes violence and is warlike in its theme.Another bald-faced lie. http://www.factcheck.org/2008/04/obama-and-the-national-anthem/


First President to cancel the National Day of Prayer Breakfast and activities.Another whopper. Obama never canceled the national day of prayer - ever. Here in fact, for example, is his proclamation on that day from 2009, http://www.presidentialprayerteam.org/090507-Proclamation.asp. Reagan didn't host a national day of prayer 7 of the 8 years he was in office.


First President to initiate a Cash for Clunkers Program to clean up exhaust that adds to global warming, then extended it because it was so popular — wasting hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars.Another lie. "This was not the first program of its kind. In 1992, former President George H.W. Bush developed his own "cash for clunkers" plan (http://www.nytimes.com/1992/03/19/business/president-s-plan-seeks-to-create-a-market-for-cars-that-pollute.html), touting it as a market-based approach to environmental policy. " http://topics.nytimes.com/topics/reference/timestopics/subjects/c/cash_for_clunkers/index.html


First President to abrogate bankruptcy law to turn over control of companies to his union supporters.Another ridiculous lie: Government has been bailing out failed companies at least since the 1970’s. See for example, Lockheed Martin, Chrysler and the city of New York, not to mention the Savings & Loan bailouts of the 80s and 90s.


First President to bypass Congress and implement the Dream Act through executive fiat.Utter bullshit: There is a dream act making its way through Congress. No Dream Act of any kind has been passed by executive fiat.

The evidence you have gathered here Calypso is really impressive: It demonstrates just how dishonest, unprincipled, venal, and petty partisan hacks can be, how ready they are to divide and weaken the nation just to advance partisan party interests. Now that is impressive!

Mainecoons
05-24-2012, 07:51 AM
How about this one:

First president to falsify his resume for 16 years and get a pass from brain dead liberals and the corrupt liberal media.

Wanna tell us that one is false?

1. Established fact that Mr. Obama's publisher bio stated he was born in Kenya was left up for 16 years, from 1991 to 2007.
2. Established fact that PR firm required authors to submit the bio.

The rest of your list is a pretty good indictment of the Federal government, regardless of who is "running" it, don't you think? Seems much of your argument is that it is OK that Obama does it because others have too.

But Obammy tops the hit list on hiding his particulars and falsifying his background. His book, if he even wrote it, is full of BS lies like the one about his mother not be able to get health care. Would you care to make a bet that Obama got himself a scholarship to Occidental on the basis of a deliberate falsification of his background? Are your expectations of leadership so low that you would stoop to trying to justify this kind of blatant lying?

The more you try to defend this liar and incompetent in the White House, the sillier you look. :grin:

MMC
05-24-2012, 08:07 AM
Dsolo.....you incorrect on the War Powers Act.

From one of the lefts own sources Huff-Po:
Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio) and Rep. Walter Jones (R-N.C.) announced Wednesday that they are suing Obama in federal court over the constitutionality of leading the U.S. into war with Libya without seeking Congressional approval. Specifically, their lawsuit (http://kucinich.house.gov/Components/Redirect/r.aspx?ID=146318-29027293) challenges the executive branch’s circumvention of Congress and its use of international organizations -- namely, the United Nations and the North Atlantic Treaty Organization -- to authorize the use of military force abroad.

"With regard to the war in Libya, we believe that the law was violated," Kucinich said in a statement. "We have asked the courts to move to protect the American people from the results of these illegal policies."


According to the War Powers resolution, a president who commits troops to war must explain the legal reasoning for doing so within 60 days. That period can be extended to 90 days if the president requests more time from Congress, which Obama did not do. By the 90-day mark, the president is required to obtain congressional approval for action. To date, Obama has not sought such approval and maintains it is not necessary given that military action is expected to be limited in scope and duration.

"Since the mission began, the administration has provided tactical operational briefings to the House of Representatives, but the White House has systematically avoided requesting a formal authorization for its action," Boehner said in a letter to Obama.

"Therefore, it would appear that in five days, the administration will be in violation of the War Powers Resolution unless it asks for and receives authorization from Congress or withdraws all U.S. troops and resources from the mission.".....snip~

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/15/kucinich-obama-war-powers-act-libya_n_877396.html

Which he never did. :rollseyes:

Mainecoons
05-24-2012, 08:09 AM
Prior to 1972 social security numbers were issued on the basis of the issuing Social security office, not the residency of the individual for whom the card was issued.

So how did he get a CT Social Security number? You want us to believe he traveled there just to get it?

We aren't as gullible as you, dsolo. :grin:

MMC
05-24-2012, 08:29 AM
Dsolo.....you incorrect on the War Powers Act.

From one of the lefts own sources Huff-Po:
Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio) and Rep. Walter Jones (R-N.C.) announced Wednesday that they are suing Obama in federal court over the constitutionality of leading the U.S. into war with Libya without seeking Congressional approval. Specifically, their lawsuit (http://kucinich.house.gov/Components/Redirect/r.aspx?ID=146318-29027293) challenges the executive branch’s circumvention of Congress and its use of international organizations -- namely, the United Nations and the North Atlantic Treaty Organization -- to authorize the use of military force abroad.

"With regard to the war in Libya, we believe that the law was violated," Kucinich said in a statement. "We have asked the courts to move to protect the American people from the results of these illegal policies."


According to the War Powers resolution, a president who commits troops to war must explain the legal reasoning for doing so within 60 days. That period can be extended to 90 days if the president requests more time from Congress, which Obama did not do. By the 90-day mark, the president is required to obtain congressional approval for action. To date, Obama has not sought such approval and maintains it is not necessary given that military action is expected to be limited in scope and duration.

"Since the mission began, the administration has provided tactical operational briefings to the House of Representatives, but the White House has systematically avoided requesting a formal authorization for its action," Boehner said in a letter to Obama.

"Therefore, it would appear that in five days, the administration will be in violation of the War Powers Resolution unless it asks for and receives authorization from Congress or withdraws all U.S. troops and resources from the mission.".....snip~

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/15/kucinich-obama-war-powers-act-libya_n_877396.html

Which he never did. :rollseyes:

Back when Obama was a senator, he talked tough (http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/ObamaFo/start/1417/stop/1466) on the need for Congress to find "a backbone" and keep then-President George W. Bush in check regarding the legality of the Iraq War.

"We thought we learned this lesson," Obama said during remarks at DePaul University in October 2007.

"After Vietnam, Congress swore it would never again be duped into war, and even wrote a new law -- the War Powers Act -- to ensure it would not repeat its mistakes. But no law can force a Congress to stand up to the president. No law can make senators read the intelligence that showed the president was overstating the case for war. No law can give Congress a backbone if it refuses to stand up as the co-equal branch the Constitution made it.".....snip~

Lets not forget the double standard that Obama invoked with Libya. Now.....correlate that with his spending for Libya and his rhetoric with the left on Cutting the DOD. While blowing off over 280 Tomahawk Missiles all at a cost of 500k a pop minimum. Knowing full well that he would have to replenish stock before fiscal end of 2011.

To make matters even worse Dsolo.....Hillary has already Admitted our involvement into Syria in Assisting the Syrian Rebels inside Syria, avoid capture and has given them money allegedly for communications equipment. Considering Clinton has done this in assistance with the International Community and her Friends of Syria Meeting which is involving us in a Civil War while placing us in the same position with the War Powers Act. Should the US escalate anything further with Syria, militarily and even with the UN's approval.

dsolo802
05-24-2012, 09:13 AM
So how did he get a CT Social Security number? You want us to believe he traveled there just to get it?

We aren't as gullible as you, dsolo. :grin:What the process was before 1972 is a matter of fact, not opinion, and certainly not wishful thinking. Before backing tripe like this, good idea to confirm your facts. You got the Google, you got the power. I know you would not want to make reckless claims against the president of the United States.

dsolo802
05-24-2012, 09:31 AM
How about this oneWhat all of this shows is tremendous contempt for the truth when it comes to talking about THIS president. The lion's share of what is listed here is just made up shit about THIS president - which you apparently are still willing to back.

As for the double standard, those things that are acceptable or innocent or understandable for every other President, are the mark of Hitler or Stalin when it comes to THIS President.

What does all this prove? Your animus for THIS President. Your willingness to divide the nation for partisan gain. Your less than total commitment to truth itself.

You give up an awful lot just to vent your spleen.

Calypso Jones
05-24-2012, 09:51 AM
Yeah the Salem witch trials. Bunch of religious social-conservative types who are hypothesized to have been mass-hallucinating on a mold that would have infected their food supply. Ever tried mushrooms before? Mushrooms, mold...both a fungus with the potency to make your imagination go wild.

I wonder what kind of poisoning people are undergoing to believe all the bullshit conspiracies about Obama? Probably nothing like kool-aid. :grin:


you got a link for this claim?

Calypso Jones
05-24-2012, 09:52 AM
What all of this shows is tremendous contempt for the truth when it comes to talking about THIS president. The lion's share of what is listed here is just made up shit about THIS president - which you apparently are still willing to back.

As for the double standard, those things that are acceptable or innocent or understandable for every other President, are the mark of Hitler or Stalin when it comes to THIS President.

What does all this prove? Your animus for THIS President. Your willingness to divide the nation for partisan gain. Your less than total commitment to truth itself.

You give up an awful lot just to vent your spleen.

and what is it about this preezy that holds your esteem?

dsolo802
05-24-2012, 10:09 AM
MMC, I appreciate and respect your thoughts on Libya. I do have my own doubts about the wisdom of what was done there.

That said, the wisdom of being involved and the legality of it are two different things. A far left guy like Chomsky didn't quarrel with the wisdom of it, believing as he did the limited intervention authorized by the UN was required to prevent slaughter of civilians. BAC has fairly recently gotten me to question the wisdom of it too.

As for the politics of the thing, if memory serves, Congressional Republican leaders condemned Obama at the time for his reluctant and partial involvement.

Turning to illegality, there is the war powers act and its statutory requirements. And then what the Constitution requires.

The Judiciary exists because what the law requires is not always plain, and laws are not self executing. When you tell me a law suit has been filed, that doesn't mean that the Plaintiff is correct. Usually it means there is a controversy.

At this time, I believe every president in office since the war powers act was enacted has questioned it's Constitutionality. What it requires, and whether it is Constitutional are subject to debate.

As for the necessity under the Constitution of getting a declaration of war, virtually every president as far back as Truman has skirted that requirement with the "police action" rationale.

I'm not in favor of Obama's foreign policy. I think the police action rationale is shit. But MMC, on this point Obama disappoints me because he was no better than Truman, Reagan, Clinton, George HW Bush and George W. Bush.

The list I've spoken out against is largely made up shit, widely distribute propaganda that no one who loves honesty should support. It's purpose - to make Obama seem a monster in comparison to other presidents is also shit. When it comes to Libya, on that ground only, it is a lie as big as any of the many total fabrications in the list.

Calypso Jones
05-24-2012, 10:31 AM
It would be more pleasant to read your posts if you could possibly omit the word s*** and replace it with something more appropriate? Just sayin'.

dsolo802
05-24-2012, 10:52 AM
It would be more pleasant to read your posts if you could possibly omit the word s*** and replace it with something more appropriate? Just sayin'.I hold that word in reserve for practices and policies that are themselves obscene.

I promise not to use the word in response to anything that you post, as long as you refrain from posting s*** like your list again. Deal?

Mainecoons
05-24-2012, 11:47 AM
What the process was before 1972 is a matter of fact, not opinion, and certainly not wishful thinking. Before backing tripe like this, good idea to confirm your facts. You got the Google, you got the power. I know you would not want to make reckless claims against the president of the United States.

The process before 1972 was the same as it is now. SS numbers issued in CT were different than those issued in HA. You're the guy who needs to get his facts straight.

Which POTUS is that? The one who falsified his resume for 16 years? You sure are ducking that one, aren't you, fool.

dsolo802
05-24-2012, 12:16 PM
The process before 1972 was the same as it is now.No.

Straight facts:

http://www.thefogbow.com/special-reports/social-security-number/

174

Mainecoons
05-24-2012, 12:22 PM
Here's some straight facts. This is why you constantly dig yourself into these holes, you rely on leftist biased sites.


The Area Number is assigned by the geographical region. Prior to1972, cards were issued in local Social Security offices around the country and the Area Number represented the State in which the card was issued. This did not necessarily have to be the State where the applicant lived, since a person could apply for their card in any Social Security office. Since 1972, when SSA began assigning SSNs and issuing cards centrally from Baltimore, the area number assigned has been based on the ZIP code in the mailing address provided on the application for the original Social Security card. The applicant's mailing address does not have to be the same as their place of residence. Thus, the Area Number does not necessarily represent the State of residence of the applicant, either prior to 1972 or since.

That is directly from the social security web site as I put up on the other thread. So now you tell us, how and why would Barack or Barry or whoever the hell that is in the White House would go to CT to get an SS number? And how did he work in a fast food joint in HA well prior to that without a SS#? Do you want us to believe that he flew all the way to CT to get his SS card so he could work in a burger joint in HA?

This should be interesting. :grin:

dsolo802
05-24-2012, 12:40 PM
Here's some straight facts. In your last post to me, you wrote that the process was the same:


The process before 1972 was the same as it is now.

And now you say," quoting directly from the social security web site"


Prior to1972, cards were issued in local Social Security offices around the country and the Area Number represented the State in which the card was issued.

Do you think the process was the same before 1972 or not?

I promise you a VERY interesting response once I know which version of reality you want to go with.

coolwalker
05-24-2012, 01:26 PM
First "liberal" president to antagonize so many conservatives simply by having little to nothing wrong with him, and not responding to their arrogant and empty insults. :laugh:

For real, I think the fact that he is so unresponsive to the jabs thrown at him is what irks conservatives the most.

The man's got class. Sets such a good example for everybody who's got those envious haters in their lives trying to drag them down.

He's got class alright, but it's all Low!

wingrider
05-24-2012, 05:10 PM
Obama is like school on sunday...

Goldie Locks
05-24-2012, 05:19 PM
No.

Straight facts:

http://www.thefogbow.com/special-reports/social-security-number/

174


Fogbow is about as left as one can get...try a legit source.

Conley
05-24-2012, 05:21 PM
Obama is like school on sunday...

You never went to Sunday School? I sure did. :grin:

wingrider
05-24-2012, 05:43 PM
You never went to Sunday School? I sure did. :grin:
hmmmmm???? I worry about you from time to time LOL

Conley
05-24-2012, 05:44 PM
hmmmmm???? I worry about you from time to time LOL

:roflmao: You should!

I thought you were making the 'no class' joke but I was giving it back at ya.

wingrider
05-24-2012, 05:45 PM
Hmm. Revealing.

What about Obama appealed to you when you decided to vote for him? he promised to end the middle east conflicts, he promised an open administration, he promised to not raise any taxes,, He lied on all of it.

dsolo802
05-24-2012, 06:09 PM
Fogbow is about as left as one can get...try a legit source.Check out the content. Validate it any way you like. Or don't. It's not on me to disprove the lies that are maliciously or recklessly posted to the Internets. You assert it. Or stand behind it. You prove it. Google a little. You can do it.

wingrider
05-24-2012, 06:38 PM
:roflmao: You should!

I thought you were making the 'no class' joke but I was giving it back at ya. I was and I am surprised you knew it.. LMAO JK CL

Conley
05-24-2012, 06:40 PM
I was and I am surprised you knew it.. LMAO JK CL

:laugh: Every now and then I can surprise you.

wingrider
05-24-2012, 06:41 PM
:laugh: Every now and then I can surprise you.
but... I already knew that..

spunkloaf
05-24-2012, 11:38 PM
he promised to end the middle east conflicts, he promised an open administration, he promised to not raise any taxes,, He lied on all of it.

How?

wingrider
05-24-2012, 11:50 PM
I am sorry sir but I am not allowed to respond to you on any subject. per your request.. it would be better if you stoped also.. thankyou so much for your inquiry at this time ..

spunkloaf
05-24-2012, 11:53 PM
I am sorry sir but I am not allowed to respond to you on any subject. per your request.. it would be better if you stoped also.. thankyou so much for your inquiry at this time ..

You suggested the ignore thing, not me. I'm fine. If this is how you are going to behave, then maybe you do need a break from me. But I would not have asked you the question here if I did not want to know.

You're the second person tonight who treats me as if I'm acting uncivilized by asking simple questions.

wingrider
05-24-2012, 11:56 PM
not uncivilized , being yourself .. I can respect that.. futher communication though is not necessary.. thank you for your opinion though

spunkloaf
05-24-2012, 11:58 PM
:bullshit:

ex-lib
05-31-2012, 08:35 AM
little to nothing wrong with him,

For real, I think the fact that he is so unresponsive to the jabs thrown at him is what irks conservatives the most.

The man's got class. .

This must be a joke post ^

Obama has responded to more attacks than any President I've heard of. He is so thin-skinned it's almost alarming and laughable at the same time.

And class is what he AIN'T got. He has something which liberals identify as class, perhaps, but that isn't what class is. Class includes dignity and recognition of how one should act given one's current situation. He is very unpresidential.

And nothing really wrong with him?

You know,....it makes me wonder if Obama's Administration has people working in the forums, making outlandish claims to support him.

ex-lib
05-31-2012, 08:36 AM
You suggested the ignore thing, not me. I'm fine. If this is how you are going to behave, then maybe you do need a break from me. But I would not have asked you the question here if I did not want to know.

You're the second person tonight who treats me as if I'm acting uncivilized by asking simple questions.

I'd say that your username shows how much self-respect you have. And that self-respect explains how you are treated.

Cigar
05-31-2012, 11:09 AM
the first couple years of the Obama Administration, Progressives took a lot of ground. There was:


Health Care for All Americans
Wall Street Reform
Avoiding another Great Depression
Saving a million jobs in the American auto industry
Expanding Medicaid
Eliminating Don't Ask Don't Tell
Expanding Children's Health
Environmental Reform
Expanding Labor Rights
Expanding Civil Liberties
Equal Pay for Equal Work
Ended the Iraq War
NO Attacks on his Watch
Ending the War in Iraq
Killing OBL and Numerous other Leaders

MMC
05-31-2012, 11:13 AM
S-chip.....expanding Childrens Medical was already done on Bush's Watch and with Bi-partisan support and the Democratic led houses. Prior to Obama winning the Presidency. Just sayin! :wink: :grin:

dsolo802
05-31-2012, 11:25 AM
the first couple years of the Obama Administration, Progressives took a lot of ground. There was:

Health Care for All Americans
Wall Street Reform
Avoiding another Great Depression
Saving a million jobs in the American auto industry
Expanding Medicaid
Eliminating Don't Ask Don't Tell
Expanding Children's Health
Environmental Reform
Expanding Labor Rights
Expanding Civil Liberties
Equal Pay for Equal Work
Ended the Iraq War
NO Attacks on his Watch
Ending the War in Iraq
Killing OBL and Numerous other Leaders
Plenty to crow about.

I recall when he started work on the most ambitious of his initiatives, the criticism of the President was he was doing too much.

Now that he has succeeded in doing many of the things he said he would, the criticism of his record is he has done too little.

What's a small mind to do?

Small minds cling not to guns - for which he never came, nor the threat he would send the nations youth to re-education camps - they remain safely ensconced before video games, nor to the clear and present danger of the President pulling the plug on our Elderly - they are more likely to die from the venal bombast of Michelle Bachmann, nor the destruction of our military - the budget for which has increased every year of his Presidency, nor to the outright lies assembled and distributed by Calypso, nor to his secret love of Sharia law and love of Al Qaeda - a myth destroyed by a bullet to the eye of Bin Laden.

So now it's about character: He flat eyed lied about being a miser with spending - except he told the truth

He won't volunteer his college transcripts - which no President has ever done.

And above all, they cling to this: our President has seized the Presidency illegally, being a Marxist, Kenyan out to destroy the free market and the free world.

Good luck boys and girls!

MMC
05-31-2012, 11:31 AM
Plenty to Crow against too. :wink:

Cigar
05-31-2012, 11:53 AM
Plenty to Crow against too. :wink:



Are you equally upset with the groups of politicians who get paid Tax-Payer dollars, enjoy Government Health Care and retire on the on the Government dime ... to do doing more than come to work and say NO to EVERYTHING The President Proposes?

MMC
05-31-2012, 11:58 AM
Are you equally upset with the groups of politicians who get paid Tax-Payer dollars, enjoy Government Health Care and retire on the on the Government dime ... to do doing more than come to work and say NO to EVERYTHING The President Proposes?


More than likely if they have been around for 15 yrs or more, and definately with those into Keynesian Economics.

Cigar
05-31-2012, 01:11 PM
More than likely if they have been around for 15 yrs or more, and definately with those into Keynesian Economics.

I applaud those who try and fail over those who never try and claim they are working for the public.

There' a huge difference between work and activity.

MMC
05-31-2012, 01:44 PM
I applaud those who try and fail over those who never try and claim they are working for the public.

There' a huge difference between work and activity.


So would this include all those Democrats in Chicago, where over 75 years of failed economic policies and tricking the people to think that they were working for them and trying real hard, goes on 24/7? Now lets throw in California and NY, making up over 1/4th of this Nation's Economy.

I think it is high time to give up on those Demo Governments, as trying is no longer good enough. Nor can we even afford anymore attempts at trying......without net-results.

Cigar
05-31-2012, 02:44 PM
So would this include all those Democrats in Chicago, where over 75 years of failed economic policies and tricking the people to think that they were working for them and trying real hard, goes on 24/7? Now lets throw in California and NY, making up over 1/4th of this Nation's Economy.

I think it is high time to give up on those Demo Governments, as trying is no longer good enough. Nor can we even afford anymore attempts at trying......without net-results.

This include everyone ... Democrat and Republican

Did you actually believe John Bonehead in October 2010 when they said it was about JOBs?

When did he last bring up the word?

MMC
05-31-2012, 07:16 PM
This include everyone ... Democrat and Republican

Did you actually believe John Bonehead in October 2010 when they said it was about JOBs?

When did he last bring up the word?

No I didn't believe Boner on Jobs. I told you before I don't have anything to do with Neo-Cons. Althought I did agree with him when he said.....It's the Economy Stupid. Ya know, reminding Obama of that fact again.