Five Harmful UN Treaties Obama will try to Ratify

[Trinnity]

This is a serious issue that many do not know about.

Obama is planning to ratify five treaties that give away our sovereignty to UN groups. They will give the UN authority over the US, our property rights, and our money.

ONE The Law of the Sea Treaty

This has already been signed, and Obama was going to have Richard Lugar (who was just defeated) help him get it ratified. That's right, a RINO repuplican was going to help Obama give away our sovereignty. This treaty forces us to give the UN half of our royalties from offshore drilling. Then the UN would give that money to whomever they see fit. We would get one vote out of 160 as to where the money goes. And we'd have to give our (offshore) drilling technology to any nation that wants it - free.

TWO Outer Space Code of Conduct

Using the excuse that we can't let space junk build up in space...the EU has persuaded (bet that wasn't hard) Hilary Clinton to negotiate a code of conduct. That code would ban anything that might generate any debris in outer space (littering).
Here's the real deal....to prevent the US from placing anti-missile missiles on platforms in space. That leaves us defenseless from missile attacks by N Korea, Iran, China or whomever. Lefties of all types had a hissy when Bush opted out of the ABM treaty banning weapons of defense. Now they're trying to get it back in under a phony-baloney "code of conduct" to prevent littering.

THREE International Criminal Court

Hilary Clinton has reversed Bush's policy and has been negotiating over U.S. participation in an international court. Euro-leftists who are sponsoring the court are trying to craft a new "crime of aggression"; basically going to war without the approval of the UN. If we go along with that, our president and Cabinet officials can be arrested and prosecuted criminally for going to war without U.N. approval. The court could even prosecute our Generals, soldiers or whomever they say was involved at their SOLE DISCRETION. Why does Hilary want to trust the UN to have real power over our president and our military??? Does she trust them? I don't. Do you?

FOUR Rights of the Child

A fourteen member court will be set up for this one. The draft for the treaty dictates that wealthy nations will be obligated to provide monies for housing, clothing, shoes, food, and schooling for kids in poor countries. This would dictate how much foreign aid we'd be obligated for - whether we could afford it or not - regardless of our struggling economy, our debt or whatever. And WE would have NO say in it. Euro-lefties are already using this in England to stop welfare cuts that England cannot afford to maintain...imagine that...Europe is dictating welfare obligations in England.

FIVE Small-arms control

Hilary is about to start negotiating on a global ban on the export of small arms. It would only apply to private citizens - so far - but most small-arms deals come from governments, specifically the US, Israel, China, and Russia. The treaty would enforce the requirement that each nation implement measures to STOP the exportation of small arms. It can easily be used to force a national registration of all guns AND ammo.

Liberals and lefties of all types may applaud this, but it's giving up PERMANENTLY large portions of our sovereignty, money, and property rights. It will function as an amendment to our Constitution.

What can we do to stop this? Tell everyone !!! Call your legislators. This is NOT a small matter.

And shame on you , DICK Lugar for assisting Obama ins getting these ratified... you had to go, you traitor; don't let the door hit ya in the ass.

[MMC]

Is there a link to any of this?

[Trinnity]

I took the info from so many sources.
I usually provide links for an articles, but not for something like this where I did a lot of looking around.
Let me see if I can find you some links....

The 5 Treaties That Could Restrict U.S. Sovereignty (http://bearveracity.com/2012/05/14/the-5-treaties-that-could-restrict-u-s-sovereignty/)
UN site, links to all treaties (http://www.un.org/en/law/index.shtml)
UN site, overview of all treaties (http://treaties.un.org/Home.aspx)

FEULNER: Sink the Law of the Sea Treaty (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/may/21/want-the-united-states-to-gain-legal-access-to-the/?amp)
United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea of 10 December 1982 (http://www.un.org/Depts/los/convention_agreements/convention_overview_convention.htm)
Obama’s 'Law of the Sea' Treaty Spreads the Wealth Around (http://nation.foxnews.com/law-sea-treaty/2012/05/21/obama-s-law-sea-treaty-spreads-wealth-around)
The United Nations Law of the Sea Treaty Information Center (http://unlawoftheseatreaty.org/)
Morning Bell: The Danger of Article 82 and Obama’s Latest Treaty

(http://blog.heritage.org/2012/05/22/morning-bell-the-danger-of-article-82-and-obamas-latest-treaty/)International Code of Conduct for Outer Space Activities
(http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/2012/01/180969.htm)Treaty on Principles Governing the Activities of States in the Exploration and Use of Outer Space, Including the Moon and Other Celestial Bodies
(http://www.state.gov/t/isn/5181.htm)Pentagon Tentatively Endorses Code of Conduct in Space
(http://www.spacenews.com/military/110413-pentagon-endorses-code-conduct-space.html)International Code of Conduct for Outer Space Activities

(http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO1203/S00278/international-code-of-conduct-for-outer-space-activities.htm)What is the International Criminal Court?
(http://www.globalissues.org/article/489/international-criminal-court-introduction)About the Court
(http://www.icc-cpi.int/Menus/ICC/About+the+Court/)U.S. WITHDRAWS FROM INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT TREATY (http://www.usasurvival.org/no-icc.shtml)(under Bush in 2002)
The International Criminal Court vs. the American People (http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/1999/02/the-international-criminal-court-vs-the-american-people)
International Courts and Tribunals (http://www.un.org/en/law/index.shtml)

Boxer Seeks to Ratify U.N. Treaty That May Erode U.S. Rights (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/02/25/boxer-seeks-ratify-treaty-erode-rights/)
United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child, (UNCRC) (http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20100915033844/dcsf.gov.uk/everychildmatters/strategy/strategyandgovernance/uncrc/unitednationsconventionontherightsofthechild/)
Convention on the Rights of the Child (http://www.unicef.org/crc/index_30229.html)
Pennsylvania Legislators Fight United Nations Effort to Strip Parental Rights (http://blogs.philadelphiaweekly.com/phillynow/2012/05/17/pennsylvania-legislators-fight-united-nations-effort-to-strip-parental-rights/)
United Nations Child Rights Treaty (http://www.mom4truth.com/united-nations-child-rights-treaty/)
Obama Administration Seeks To Join U.N. Rights Of The Child Convention (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/23/obama-administration-seek_n_219511.html)
20 THINGS YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THE UN CONVENTION ON THE RIGHTS OF THE CHILD (http://www.parentalrights.org/index.asp?Type=B_BASIC&SEC={B56D7393-E583-4658-85E6-C1974B1A57F8})

United Nations Small Arms Treaty (http://www.countrysurvival.com/united-nations-small-arms-treaty/)
U.N. Agreement Should Have All Gun Owners Up In Arms (http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2011/06/07/u-n-agreement-should-have-all-gun-owners-up-in-arms/)
United Nations Prepares to Finalize its Arms Trade Treaty (http://poorrichards2012blog.wordpress.com/2011/07/31/united-nations-prepares-to-finalize-its-arms-trade-treaty/)
Arms Trade Treaty (http://www.un.org/disarmament/convarms/ArmsTradeTreaty/)
Amendment to restrict funds for a UN arms trade treaty passes (http://dailycaller.com/2012/05/17/amendment-to-restrict-funds-used-for-a-united-nations-arms-trade-treaty-passes/)

[MMC]

Thanks Trinnity I will check some of these out. Course we are aware about the the Policy with Space. But I want to check out that treaty on the Use of the moon and other celestial bodies.

[Trinnity]

Thanks for posting and bumping the thread. These treaty, if ratified, will have profound effects on our economy, rights, and sovereignty.

(you have 16,000 posts; how ling has this site been up?)

[MMC]

They are all worth talking about. I am not fond of the Citizen of the World Mentality. Moreover I am aware to of those that want the US dollar removed as the Worlds Reserve Currency.

There is no difference between Neo-Cons and Neo-Libs.....other than who will be in charge.

The Question is.....will Americans be able to come together to stand up for the Sovereignty of their Own Country.

[Trinnity]

....And I wonder if multiculturalism has made us feel like a bunch of groups instead of all being Americans. I hope America still has a sense of unity as Americans, or our sovereignty IS on the line in general.
IMO the country is overrun with people lacking in solid traditional education, as the liberal teaching agenda has neglected world history, govt, and economics in the last 40-50 years. We're suffering for it.
It's not good to dumb down education for the sake of a political agenda which is aimed at other topics.

[KSigMason]

#3 would be ironic for Hillary to help push through as her husband didn't sign the US into the ICC system as didn't Bush.

[RollingWave]

ONE The Law of the Sea Treaty

This has already been signed, and Obama was going to have Richard Lugar (who was just defeated) help him get it ratified. That's right, a RINO repuplican was going to help Obama give away our sovereignty. This treaty forces us to give the UN half of our royalties from offshore drilling. Then the UN would give that money to whomever they see fit. We would get one vote out of 160 as to where the money goes. And we'd have to give our (offshore) drilling technology to any nation that wants it - free.
.

Ok let's just go over these one at a time. first which part does it say "And we'd have to give our (offshore) drilling technology to any nation that wants it - free. ? I skimmed through the treaty and can't seem to find any such reference.


the discussion on LOST in the US and the UN both is rather sad, since the focus now is completely off of it's original intent. something like LOST has been in discussion in he UN almost as soon as it was founded, the 1982 convention was only the last major concluding one, the first onces started in the 1950s .

The LOST act, was originally raised to solve maritime territorial dispute more than anything else. as the article noted that the US's current domestic laws actually claim a wider area than the oncse in LOST, the problem is that this is true for almost everyone else and many countries go much further, which causes many overlapping territorial water claims and obviously the source of much international conflict. while you might dispuet rather international law should overrule domestic onces, you'd probably agree that having a fixed game rule on something like this makes more sense than say... everyone making their own domestic law and making ridiculas claims all over. for example, Japan is in conflict with EVERY SINGLE ONE of it's neighboring countries over it's EEZ claims, which in the case of Taiwan, is basically drawing right up to and even in our Territorial water. our fishermen barely leaving our coast to fish sometimes gets arrested by Japanese coast guards, that make sense, such policies and practices are really sure fired recipie for eventual regional war if no fixed rule are permenantly set. as you can see they're already getting dangerious close to in the South China sea.



In short, the LOST act is really meant to solve this issue more than anything else, but the UN slip in the whole royality thing and the destractors in the US ignor that we're talking about one of the most fundemental international laws out there and talk as if this is a treaty only about oil .

[Awryly]

This is a serious issue that many do not know about.

Obama is planning to ratify five treaties that give away our sovereignty to UN groups. They will give the UN authority over the US, our property rights, and our money.

ONE The Law of the Sea Treaty

This has already been signed, and Obama was going to have Richard Lugar (who was just defeated) help him get it ratified. That's right, a RINO repuplican was going to help Obama give away our sovereignty. This treaty forces us to give the UN half of our royalties from offshore drilling. Then the UN would give that money to whomever they see fit. We would get one vote out of 160 as to where the money goes. And we'd have to give our (offshore) drilling technology to any nation that wants it - free.

TWO Outer Space Code of Conduct

Using the excuse that we can't let space junk build up in space...the EU has persuaded (bet that wasn't hard) Hilary Clinton to negotiate a code of conduct. That code would ban anything that might generate any debris in outer space (littering).
Here's the real deal....to prevent the US from placing anti-missile missiles on platforms in space. That leaves us defenseless from missile attacks by N Korea, Iran, China or whomever. Lefties of all types had a hissy when Bush opted out of the ABM treaty banning weapons of defense. Now they're trying to get it back in under a phony-baloney "code of conduct" to prevent littering.

THREE International Criminal Court

Hilary Clinton has reversed Bush's policy and has been negotiating over U.S. participation in an international court. Euro-leftists who are sponsoring the court are trying to craft a new "crime of aggression"; basically going to war without the approval of the UN. If we go along with that, our president and Cabinet officials can be arrested and prosecuted criminally for going to war without U.N. approval. The court could even prosecute our Generals, soldiers or whomever they say was involved at their SOLE DISCRETION. Why does Hilary want to trust the UN to have real power over our president and our military??? Does she trust them? I don't. Do you?

FOUR Rights of the Child

A fourteen member court will be set up for this one. The draft for the treaty dictates that wealthy nations will be obligated to provide monies for housing, clothing, shoes, food, and schooling for kids in poor countries. This would dictate how much foreign aid we'd be obligated for - whether we could afford it or not - regardless of our struggling economy, our debt or whatever. And WE would have NO say in it. Euro-lefties are already using this in England to stop welfare cuts that England cannot afford to maintain...imagine that...Europe is dictating welfare obligations in England.

FIVE Small-arms control

Hilary is about to start negotiating on a global ban on the export of small arms. It would only apply to private citizens - so far - but most small-arms deals come from governments, specifically the US, Israel, China, and Russia. The treaty would enforce the requirement that each nation implement measures to STOP the exportation of small arms. It can easily be used to force a national registration of all guns AND ammo.

Liberals and lefties of all types may applaud this, but it's giving up PERMANENTLY large portions of our sovereignty, money, and property rights. It will function as an amendment to our Constitution.

What can we do to stop this? Tell everyone !!! Call your legislators. This is NOT a small matter.

And shame on you , DICK Lugar for assisting Obama ins getting these ratified... you had to go, you traitor; don't let the door hit ya in the ass.
You forgot the Trans Pacific Partnership Treaty designed so that the US can try to enslave 8 other nations and exclude China from trading freely in the Pacific.

Have no fear. The US will not enter into any treaty that is not in the interests of the US and, if it does, it will exempt Americans from being subject to their laws.

Your rulers in Wall St will see to that.

[wingrider]

great thread.. this looks like an end run around the Soveriegnity and the Constitution of the United states..

[coolwalker]

We do not need to ratify any treaties, in fact we should pull out of The United nations as they are a part of the driving force to create a One World Government.

[MMC]

Theres only one treaty we need to Ratify.....that the UN ALWAYS takes that Back Seat at the back of the BUS. :wink:

[roadmaster]

We do not need to ratify any treaties, in fact we should pull out of The United nations as they are a part of the driving force to create a One World Government.

That I agree with, the UN is not trustworthy.

[wingrider]

what do you expect from an organization that is dead set on a one world government,, ?

[gamewell45]

This is a serious issue that many do not know about.

Obama is planning to ratify five treaties that give away our sovereignty to UN groups. They will give the UN authority over the US, our property rights, and our money.

ONE The Law of the Sea Treaty

This has already been signed, and Obama was going to have Richard Lugar (who was just defeated) help him get it ratified. That's right, a RINO repuplican was going to help Obama give away our sovereignty. This treaty forces us to give the UN half of our royalties from offshore drilling. Then the UN would give that money to whomever they see fit. We would get one vote out of 160 as to where the money goes. And we'd have to give our (offshore) drilling technology to any nation that wants it - free.

TWO Outer Space Code of Conduct

Using the excuse that we can't let space junk build up in space...the EU has persuaded (bet that wasn't hard) Hilary Clinton to negotiate a code of conduct. That code would ban anything that might generate any debris in outer space (littering).
Here's the real deal....to prevent the US from placing anti-missile missiles on platforms in space. That leaves us defenseless from missile attacks by N Korea, Iran, China or whomever. Lefties of all types had a hissy when Bush opted out of the ABM treaty banning weapons of defense. Now they're trying to get it back in under a phony-baloney "code of conduct" to prevent littering.

THREE International Criminal Court

Hilary Clinton has reversed Bush's policy and has been negotiating over U.S. participation in an international court. Euro-leftists who are sponsoring the court are trying to craft a new "crime of aggression"; basically going to war without the approval of the UN. If we go along with that, our president and Cabinet officials can be arrested and prosecuted criminally for going to war without U.N. approval. The court could even prosecute our Generals, soldiers or whomever they say was involved at their SOLE DISCRETION. Why does Hilary want to trust the UN to have real power over our president and our military??? Does she trust them? I don't. Do you?

FOUR Rights of the Child

A fourteen member court will be set up for this one. The draft for the treaty dictates that wealthy nations will be obligated to provide monies for housing, clothing, shoes, food, and schooling for kids in poor countries. This would dictate how much foreign aid we'd be obligated for - whether we could afford it or not - regardless of our struggling economy, our debt or whatever. And WE would have NO say in it. Euro-lefties are already using this in England to stop welfare cuts that England cannot afford to maintain...imagine that...Europe is dictating welfare obligations in England.

FIVE Small-arms control

Hilary is about to start negotiating on a global ban on the export of small arms. It would only apply to private citizens - so far - but most small-arms deals come from governments, specifically the US, Israel, China, and Russia. The treaty would enforce the requirement that each nation implement measures to STOP the exportation of small arms. It can easily be used to force a national registration of all guns AND ammo.

Liberals and lefties of all types may applaud this, but it's giving up PERMANENTLY large portions of our sovereignty, money, and property rights. It will function as an amendment to our Constitution.

What can we do to stop this? Tell everyone !!! Call your legislators. This is NOT a small matter.

And shame on you , DICK Lugar for assisting Obama ins getting these ratified... you had to go, you traitor; don't let the door hit ya in the ass.

I think we need to get out of the United Nations; they do absolutely nothing for us and we spend a small fortune in paying "dues"; money that could be well spent elsewhere.

[Deadwood]

great thread.. this looks like an end run around the Soveriegnity and the Constitution of the United states..



Well, if it looks like shit, smells like shit, tastes like shit.....don't step in it.

This is the guy who has COMPLAINED about how the constitution has limited him.....you know? That document he swore to protect and defend?

That Barry...he's such a kidder.

[Deadwood]

We do not need to ratify any treaties, in fact we should pull out of The United nations as they are a part of the driving force to create a One World Government.



The only reason the US has not pulled out of the UN is that then Russia and China would beat the shit out of them with everyone else's cooperation.

[Trinnity]

It was suggested by a friend that I might break this topic into a thread for each treaty. Perhaps we could discuss them in more detail if they were separate topics.

Now I see the discussion is picking up. Should I break it to 5 threads or leave it in one? What do you all think?

[wingrider]

The only reason the US has not pulled out of the UN is that then Russia and China would beat the shit out of them with everyone else's cooperation.

is that supposed to be a bad thing???

[wingrider]

It was suggested by a friend that I might break this topic into a thread for each treaty. Perhaps we could discuss them in more detail if they were separate topics.

Now I see the discussion is picking up. Should I break it to 5 threads or leave it in one? What do you all think?
hard to say.. if each topic can be covered diligently as is . cool..

[Trinnity]

Here's an item on "Rights of the Child"


Spread of 'baby boxes' in Europe alarms United Nations
(http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jun/10/unitednations-europe-news)

The United Nations (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/unitednations) is increasingly concerned at the spread in Europe (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/europe-news) of "baby boxes" where infants can be secretly abandoned by parents, warning that the practice "contravenes the right of the child to be known and cared for by his or her parents", the Guardian has learned.
The UN Committee on the Rights of the Child, which reports on how well governments respect and protect children (http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/children)'s human rights, is alarmed at the prevalence of the hatches – usually outside a hospital – which allow unwanted newborns to be left in boxes with an alarm or bell to summon a carer.



These baby boxes were designed to save the life of babies who would otherwise be abandoned who-knows-where.
The UN in it's infinite backwards wisdom is trying to undo what is ultimately best for these babies - to be placed in safety.

Idiots~

[Peter1469]

I think we need to get out of the United Nations; they do absolutely nothing for us and we spend a small fortune in paying "dues"; money that could be well spent elsewhere.

The UN does serve a purpose, the problem is that too many have too high of hopes for it.

Of the five proposed treaties, LOST is the only one that I think the US should sign.

[Trinnity]

Why?

[Peter1469]

Why?

I think that it is a reasonable treaty that allocates resources fairly between nations, particularly those with ocean access. I have a maritime law certificate from Tulane Law school, so I have seen more on this than what is in the MSM or on the Internet. It would actually have benefited the US had we signed it a long time ago.

[MMC]

I think that it is a reasonable treaty that allocates resources fairly between nations, particularly those with ocean access. I have a maritime law certificate from Tulane Law school, so I have seen more on this than what is in the MSM or on the Internet. It would actually have benefited the US had we signed it a long time ago.

How so Pete?

[Trinnity]

Please tell us more, Peter.

[Peter1469]

The LOST would open up more areas for the US to drill in and would give the US more rights in the Arctic. But with Obama as president I guess none of that matters.

[Trinnity]

Hillary is putting the final touches on the small arms treaty and we have to stop it before it's final.

Here's how they get around ratifying it....

Treaties the sec/state signs off on are binding until such time that the Senate takes a vote and rejects them. Reid will not bring the vote up. SO, it will be binding until a Republican dominated Senate votes it down. By then the mechanisms will be in place and it will be virtually impossible to defy it. It supersedes our Constitution and Bill of Rights.

PLEASE contact your Senator and Congressman about this dangerous UN treaty.

[Peter1469]

Clause 2: He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur;

US Const.

Treaties are not binding unless the Senate actually votes. If they ignore it, it is not US law.

[Trinnity]

I'm sorry to disagree with you, but please re-read what I wrote in #29.

[Peter1469]

I'm sorry to disagree with you, but please re-read what I wrote in #29.

OK, I reread it. I understand what it says. I guess this regime may attempt that argument. And with this SCOTUS they may adopt it (or call it a tax). But my comment stands. The Constitution that our Founders gave us says that no treaty is US law until two things happen::

1. The President signs the treaty
2. 2/3 of the Senate vote yes.

[Trinnity]

OK, I reread it. I understand what it says. I guess this regime may attempt that argument. And with this SCOTUS they may adopt it (or call it a tax). But my comment stands. The Constitution that our Founders gave us says that no treaty is US law until two things happen::

1. The President signs the treaty
2. 2/3 of the Senate vote yes.Do you trust him, or our govt to follow the Constitution?

[Peter1469]

Do you trust him, or our govt to follow the Constitution?

No. My intent was not to advise on what the regime will do, but rather advise on what the law is.

[Trinnity]

Me either. And there ya go~

[Trinnity]

Time for a bump on this thread....these treaties are a big deal to our economy, sovereignty, and jobs.
Please read the OP.

[Libhater]

I got those same warnings by listening to Dick Morris outline them all. Not only has obama been America's worst president, but he's been the most destructive as his policies are meant to soften our military resolve, belittle, apologize and blame us for our strengths, and to socialize our government via marxist/progressive/Coward/Piven strategies as to weaken us on a level of modern day Greece. Someone should have made an updated movie of "The Manchurian Candidate" to star one hussein obama as the Muslim extremists 'calife' candidate.

[Trinnity]

I don't really know if anyone outside of Morris has tried to warn us about them.

[Libhater]

I don't really know if anyone outside of Morris has tried to warn us about them.

You're right, no one from the lamestream lib media is going to expose their fascist policies. Three more days Trinn when we can put this nightmare behind us.

[Trinnity]

I hope so....they're talking about extending the voting period in New York.

[Awryly]

Time for a bump on this thread....these treaties are a big deal to our economy, sovereignty, and jobs.
Please read the OP.

From where we sit in NZ, your treaties (especially the proposed TPP) are designed to exploit other countries to suit your own industries and other interests.

You will not negotiate your barriers against our dairy industry (one of the largest in the world); you want special arrangements for your entertainment industries that will harshly penalise any infringements of what you define as "copyright"; you want to destroy a central government pharmaceutical control agency so that you can swamp our market with expensive proprietary drugs; you want to over-turn sovereign policies that control your tobacco companies.

There is no way we should be interested in your "treaties".

[Trinnity]

These UN treaties are still being pursued by the administration. The OP details them.

[Trinnity]

No interest? Sorry to see that. Obama is still pursuing the small arms treaty over the objections of Congress. I think the 2nd amendment matters. And the first, and the fourth, and so on. Obama thinks the Constitution/BOR is obsolete. He's wrong - we need them now, more than ever.

[zelmo1234]

As long as the Republicans can hold 41 seats in the Senate it is likely that they will not get any of these treaties ratified.

However, you are goign to see a huge push for arms control from the left. they are at the point where the public is turnning against the agenda again, and as you can see by the posts here from many on the left, the hate and anger of those that oppose them is primed and ready to go.

There is a true belief on the left that they know better what is good for the people.

It is my opnion that if the Republicans can get a true conservative through the primaries. that they will win and it is likely that the true liberals will be on the outside looking in for decades. tog et back into the Whitehouse they will need to elect a center left canidate, that governs denter right, like Clinton did!

So 2 to 4 decades before they are afforded thier chance again! Once they are offered that chance agan they do not want to give it up. So it is in vact critical that they get the country disarmed in that time period! It is only with disarmerment that they can truely force their aganda on the population the next time they get their day iin the Sun!

[Trinnity]

There is a true belief on the left that they know better what is good for the people.

This control-freak mentality of the Left IS the problem.

I wonder where we'll be in 3 more years....

[jillian]

This is a serious issue that many do not know about.

Obama is planning to ratify five treaties that give away our sovereignty to UN groups. They will give the UN authority over the US, our property rights, and our money.

ONE The Law of the Sea Treaty

This has already been signed, and Obama was going to have Richard Lugar (who was just defeated) help him get it ratified. That's right, a RINO repuplican was going to help Obama give away our sovereignty. This treaty forces us to give the UN half of our royalties from offshore drilling. Then the UN would give that money to whomever they see fit. We would get one vote out of 160 as to where the money goes. And we'd have to give our (offshore) drilling technology to any nation that wants it - free.

TWO Outer Space Code of Conduct

Using the excuse that we can't let space junk build up in space...the EU has persuaded (bet that wasn't hard) Hilary Clinton to negotiate a code of conduct. That code would ban anything that might generate any debris in outer space (littering).
Here's the real deal....to prevent the US from placing anti-missile missiles on platforms in space. That leaves us defenseless from missile attacks by N Korea, Iran, China or whomever. Lefties of all types had a hissy when Bush opted out of the ABM treaty banning weapons of defense. Now they're trying to get it back in under a phony-baloney "code of conduct" to prevent littering.

THREE International Criminal Court

Hilary Clinton has reversed Bush's policy and has been negotiating over U.S. participation in an international court. Euro-leftists who are sponsoring the court are trying to craft a new "crime of aggression"; basically going to war without the approval of the UN. If we go along with that, our president and Cabinet officials can be arrested and prosecuted criminally for going to war without U.N. approval. The court could even prosecute our Generals, soldiers or whomever they say was involved at their SOLE DISCRETION. Why does Hilary want to trust the UN to have real power over our president and our military??? Does she trust them? I don't. Do you?

FOUR Rights of the Child

A fourteen member court will be set up for this one. The draft for the treaty dictates that wealthy nations will be obligated to provide monies for housing, clothing, shoes, food, and schooling for kids in poor countries. This would dictate how much foreign aid we'd be obligated for - whether we could afford it or not - regardless of our struggling economy, our debt or whatever. And WE would have NO say in it. Euro-lefties are already using this in England to stop welfare cuts that England cannot afford to maintain...imagine that...Europe is dictating welfare obligations in England.

FIVE Small-arms control

Hilary is about to start negotiating on a global ban on the export of small arms. It would only apply to private citizens - so far - but most small-arms deals come from governments, specifically the US, Israel, China, and Russia. The treaty would enforce the requirement that each nation implement measures to STOP the exportation of small arms. It can easily be used to force a national registration of all guns AND ammo.

Liberals and lefties of all types may applaud this, but it's giving up PERMANENTLY large portions of our sovereignty, money, and property rights. It will function as an amendment to our Constitution.

What can we do to stop this? Tell everyone !!! Call your legislators. This is NOT a small matter.

And shame on you , DICK Lugar for assisting Obama ins getting these ratified... you had to go, you traitor; don't let the door hit ya in the ass.

oh no!!!!! the horror!!!!

[jillian]

These UN treaties are still being pursued by the administration. The OP details them.

your description is irrelevant.

how about a credible link?

[Trinnity]

your description is irrelevant.

how about a credible link?I gave quite a few links on the first page of the thread, in post #3. I'll post them again for you.



UN site, links to all treaties (http://www.un.org/en/law/index.shtml)
UN site, overview of all treaties (http://treaties.un.org/Home.aspx)

FEULNER: Sink the Law of the Sea Treaty (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/may/21/want-the-united-states-to-gain-legal-access-to-the/?amp)
United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea of 10 December 1982 (http://www.un.org/Depts/los/convention_agreements/convention_overview_convention.htm)
Obama’s 'Law of the Sea' Treaty Spreads the Wealth Around (http://nation.foxnews.com/law-sea-treaty/2012/05/21/obama-s-law-sea-treaty-spreads-wealth-around)
The United Nations Law of the Sea Treaty Information Center (http://unlawoftheseatreaty.org/)
Morning Bell: The Danger of Article 82 and Obama’s Latest Treaty

(http://blog.heritage.org/2012/05/22/morning-bell-the-danger-of-article-82-and-obamas-latest-treaty/)International Code of Conduct for Outer Space Activities
(http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/2012/01/180969.htm)Treaty on Principles Governing the Activities of States in the Exploration and Use of Outer Space, Including the Moon and Other Celestial Bodies
(http://www.state.gov/t/isn/5181.htm)Pentagon Tentatively Endorses Code of Conduct in Space
(http://www.spacenews.com/military/110413-pentagon-endorses-code-conduct-space.html)International Code of Conduct for Outer Space Activities

(http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO1203/S00278/international-code-of-conduct-for-outer-space-activities.htm)What is the International Criminal Court?
(http://www.globalissues.org/article/489/international-criminal-court-introduction)U.S. WITHDRAWS FROM INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT TREATY (http://www.usasurvival.org/no-icc.shtml)(under Bush in 2002)
The International Criminal Court vs. the American People (http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/1999/02/the-international-criminal-court-vs-the-american-people)
International Courts and Tribunals (http://www.un.org/en/law/index.shtml)

Boxer Seeks to Ratify U.N. Treaty That May Erode U.S. Rights (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/02/25/boxer-seeks-ratify-treaty-erode-rights/)
United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child, (UNCRC) (http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20100915033844/dcsf.gov.uk/everychildmatters/strategy/strategyandgovernance/uncrc/unitednationsconventionontherightsofthechild/)
Convention on the Rights of the Child (http://www.unicef.org/crc/index_30229.html)
Pennsylvania Legislators Fight United Nations Effort to Strip Parental Rights (http://blogs.philadelphiaweekly.com/phillynow/2012/05/17/pennsylvania-legislators-fight-united-nations-effort-to-strip-parental-rights/)
United Nations Child Rights Treaty (http://www.mom4truth.com/united-nations-child-rights-treaty/)
Obama Administration Seeks To Join U.N. Rights Of The Child Convention (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/23/obama-administration-seek_n_219511.html)
20 THINGS YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THE UN CONVENTION ON THE RIGHTS OF THE CHILD (http://www.parentalrights.org/index.asp?Type=B_BASIC&SEC={B56D7393-E583-4658-85E6-C1974B1A57F8})

United Nations Small Arms Treaty (http://www.countrysurvival.com/united-nations-small-arms-treaty/)
U.N. Agreement Should Have All Gun Owners Up In Arms (http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2011/06/07/u-n-agreement-should-have-all-gun-owners-up-in-arms/)
United Nations Prepares to Finalize its Arms Trade Treaty (http://poorrichards2012blog.wordpress.com/2011/07/31/united-nations-prepares-to-finalize-its-arms-trade-treaty/)
Arms Trade Treaty (http://www.un.org/disarmament/convarms/ArmsTradeTreaty/)
Amendment to restrict funds for a UN arms trade treaty passes (http://dailycaller.com/2012/05/17/amendment-to-restrict-funds-used-for-a-united-nations-arms-trade-treaty-passes/)

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@jillian (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=719)

[jillian]

I gave quite a few links on the first page of the thread, in post #3. I'll post them again for you.



UN site, links to all treaties (http://www.un.org/en/law/index.shtml)
UN site, overview of all treaties (http://treaties.un.org/Home.aspx)

FEULNER: Sink the Law of the Sea Treaty (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/may/21/want-the-united-states-to-gain-legal-access-to-the/?amp)
United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea of 10 December 1982 (http://www.un.org/Depts/los/convention_agreements/convention_overview_convention.htm)
Obama’s 'Law of the Sea' Treaty Spreads the Wealth Around (http://nation.foxnews.com/law-sea-treaty/2012/05/21/obama-s-law-sea-treaty-spreads-wealth-around)
The United Nations Law of the Sea Treaty Information Center (http://unlawoftheseatreaty.org/)
Morning Bell: The Danger of Article 82 and Obama’s Latest Treaty

(http://blog.heritage.org/2012/05/22/morning-bell-the-danger-of-article-82-and-obamas-latest-treaty/)International Code of Conduct for Outer Space Activities
(http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/2012/01/180969.htm)Treaty on Principles Governing the Activities of States in the Exploration and Use of Outer Space, Including the Moon and Other Celestial Bodies
(http://www.state.gov/t/isn/5181.htm)Pentagon Tentatively Endorses Code of Conduct in Space
(http://www.spacenews.com/military/110413-pentagon-endorses-code-conduct-space.html)International Code of Conduct for Outer Space Activities

(http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO1203/S00278/international-code-of-conduct-for-outer-space-activities.htm)What is the International Criminal Court?
(http://www.globalissues.org/article/489/international-criminal-court-introduction)U.S. WITHDRAWS FROM INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT TREATY (http://www.usasurvival.org/no-icc.shtml)(under Bush in 2002)
The International Criminal Court vs. the American People (http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/1999/02/the-international-criminal-court-vs-the-american-people)
International Courts and Tribunals (http://www.un.org/en/law/index.shtml)

Boxer Seeks to Ratify U.N. Treaty That May Erode U.S. Rights (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/02/25/boxer-seeks-ratify-treaty-erode-rights/)
United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child, (UNCRC) (http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20100915033844/dcsf.gov.uk/everychildmatters/strategy/strategyandgovernance/uncrc/unitednationsconventionontherightsofthechild/)
Convention on the Rights of the Child (http://www.unicef.org/crc/index_30229.html)
Pennsylvania Legislators Fight United Nations Effort to Strip Parental Rights (http://blogs.philadelphiaweekly.com/phillynow/2012/05/17/pennsylvania-legislators-fight-united-nations-effort-to-strip-parental-rights/)
United Nations Child Rights Treaty (http://www.mom4truth.com/united-nations-child-rights-treaty/)
Obama Administration Seeks To Join U.N. Rights Of The Child Convention (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/23/obama-administration-seek_n_219511.html)
20 THINGS YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THE UN CONVENTION ON THE RIGHTS OF THE CHILD (http://www.parentalrights.org/index.asp?Type=B_BASIC&SEC={B56D7393-E583-4658-85E6-C1974B1A57F8})

United Nations Small Arms Treaty (http://www.countrysurvival.com/united-nations-small-arms-treaty/)
U.N. Agreement Should Have All Gun Owners Up In Arms (http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2011/06/07/u-n-agreement-should-have-all-gun-owners-up-in-arms/)
United Nations Prepares to Finalize its Arms Trade Treaty (http://poorrichards2012blog.wordpress.com/2011/07/31/united-nations-prepares-to-finalize-its-arms-trade-treaty/)
Arms Trade Treaty (http://www.un.org/disarmament/convarms/ArmsTradeTreaty/)
Amendment to restrict funds for a UN arms trade treaty passes (http://dailycaller.com/2012/05/17/amendment-to-restrict-funds-used-for-a-united-nations-arms-trade-treaty-passes/)

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@jillian (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=719)

the problem isn't the treaties...it's the assertion that they are harmful.

harmful like encouraging handicapped access like we have here, internationally?

that kind of harmful.

oh...and your alleged forbes link on guns seems shot, too.

[Germanicus]

Kinda like when the TPP was announced and Americans started stomping around acting like it was bad for them. TPP is for US based corporations. It aims at makng all of our nations hell holes like America. America is already a hell hole and you are all happy to defend it on International Policy. Never shut up about how evilit is to all of you but cant believe that does evil all around the world.

America should get rid of the UN and NATO and stop giving 'aid' and see how long it lasts. Get rid of the IMF too. These are all tools of your Imperial overlords and it is all done in your name....to us. We cant vote in US elections. Rome would extend citizenship to the west.

Who runs America? Federal Reserve? Is Federal Reserve American? No! Why dont you start there?

[Trinnity]

the problem isn't the treaties...it's the assertion that they are harmful.

harmful like encouraging handicapped access like we have here, internationally?

that kind of harmful.

oh...and your alleged forbes link on guns seems shot, too.No, the Forbes link kicked out at first, but the second time I loaded it, it loaded just fine. Let me check it again...hang on...

Yeah, the Forbes link works just fine. Here it is again....
http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2011/06/07/u-n-agreement-should-have-all-gun-owners-up-in-arms/

As for you just blowing all this off as not important, I cannot debate such a statement other than to say it DOES matter indeed, and you're too far to the left to be reasoned with, imo. I guess you put your personal beliefs in the almighty power of the state above the Liberty the Constitution protects for you. Pity, I'd think everyone would value their Liberty above the state.....
jillian

[Trinnity]

Who runs America? That is an excellent question. I'd sure like to know.

[Private Pickle]

Who runs America?

Master Blaster?