Ebola has not gone away, We've simply suppressed/exhausted reporting on the problem. [Archive]

Kurmugeon

11-09-2014, 07:03 AM

Ebola has not gone away.

Four very recent, often post-election, Articles which cover what is happening now with Ebola.

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Article #1 - What's going on in Western Africa.

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2014/11/07/experts-warn-numbers-in-worst-ever-ebola-outbreak-likely-underscore-actual/

Experts warn numbers in worst-ever Ebola outbreak likely underscore actual cases
Published November 07, 2014

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LONDON – As the biggest-ever outbreak of Ebola continues to ravage West Africa, here are a few key numbers to get a handle on the epidemic: 13,042 and 4,818:

According to an update this week from the World Health Organization, there have been 13,042 Ebola cases and 4,818 deaths since the first child died of the virus in December - but those figures include all probable, suspected and confirmed cases and are subject to change as more information becomes available. The numbers have actually dropped slightly in the past week because numbers fluctuate as more data becomes available, and as probable and suspected cases are either discarded or confirmed.

Experts warn the number of cases and deaths are likely far below the actual numbers, as people may be reluctant to seek care and officials are too overwhelmed with control efforts to record every single case. The vast majority of patients are in Guinea, Sierra Leone and Liberia.

Cases and deaths are typically only recorded days after people become symptomatic or die, which complicates a real-time understanding of Ebola.

"We are definitely getting a delayed picture of the outbreak," said Sebastian Funk, a lecturer in infectious diseases at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine. "It's difficult to tell if we are reaching a turning point or if there will be a doomsday scenario. I could see it going either way at the moment."

4,707:

According to WHO, 4,707 beds are needed across West Africa in Ebola treatment clinics; at the moment, just 22 percent of the necessary number are operational. The agency estimates a further 2,685 beds are needed for basic Ebola clinics where minimal treatment is provided and people are mostly isolated while waiting for test results. At the moment, just 4 percent of ...

Other Countries in West Africa are also experiencing a sharp rise in the number of cases:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/11/06/sierra-leone-ebola-rising/18587607/

http://www.npr.org/blogs/goatsandsoda/2014/11/07/362062293/guinea-is-seeing-more-ebola-cases-can-the-trend-be-stopped

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Article #2 - The Growth of the Ebola Problem in America - Note, not an American News Source

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/187190#.VF9LjBbC5-w

NYC Ebola 'Active Monitoring': From 117 Cases to 357 in 1 Week

Number of individuals in NYC who are being 'actively monitored' for the Ebola infection increased by 300%.

By Mark Langfan

First Publish: 11/8/2014, 8:17 PM

In a stunning press release, the New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygiene (DOHMH), and the NYC Health and Hospital Corporation (HHC) announced that the number of individuals in New York City who are being “actively monitored” for the Ebola infection has jumped to 357 people from 117 people the prior week.

That represents almost a 300% increase.

This also does not represent people who have entered New York City from West Africa and lied on their entry forms, regarding the risk that they carry the virus. Those people wouldn’t even currently show up in the NYC Ebola watch list count.

The press release reported that the “vast majority” of the increased number of possible Ebola patients now in New York City represents people who have recently come to the United States from the Ebola-stricken West African countries by airplane. Had a “travel ban” been imposed these people would not have been able to enter the United States.

President Barack Obama has actively resisted the imposition of any travel ban from the West African Ebola-affected countries. Were any of the 357 people to have actually contracted Ebola,...

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Article #3 - The American Press is, and then is NOT, being told to NOT report the number of cases being Monitored for Ebola.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidkroll/2014/11/02/potential-ebola-patient-being-tested-at-duke-results-monday-morning/2/

11/02/2014 @ 10:06PM 41,102 views

Liberian Traveler At Duke Hospital Negative For Ebola

William J. Fulkerson, Jr., MD, executive vice president of the Duke University Health System said tonight in an official statement to Duke faculty, staff, and students:
Despite not knowing the patient’s Ebola status, we are approaching this as though it was a confirmed case. Therefore, the patient is being cared for in the same contained, isolated and secured unit within DUH in which an actual Ebola patient would be treated. The patient is receiving care from a seasoned team of Duke clinical professionals who volunteered for this service and have trained extensively for this possibility. We have anticipated this scenario for several weeks now, and a plan to manage it is in place.
At present, the patient only has a fever, “but has no other symptoms of Ebola.”

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official abruptly called the press conference to a close.

Before being interrupted, Dr. Wos said, “This person did not have symptoms on bus. This person has not been diagnosed with any specific condition yet.”

**CORRECTION: This piece originally and inadvertently suggested that The Associated Press and other news organizations were in agreement “not to report on suspected cases of Ebola in the United States until a positive viral RNA test is completed.” I regret this misinterpretation. In fact, AP is in no agreement with other outlets regarding news coverage. AP’s own position is that it will still report some suspected cases of Ebola if they cause enough disruption, even if there’s no confirmation the person has Ebola.
To be fully clear, I am providing both the link to the October 17 AP advisory and the full text of the advisory, as follows:
EDITORS:
We’re increasingly hearing reports of “suspected” cases of Ebola in the United States and Europe. The AP has exercised caution in reporting these cases and will continue to do so.
Most of these suspected cases turn out to be negative. Our bureaus monitor them, but we have not been moving stories or imagery simply because a doctor suspects Ebola and routine precautions are taken while the patient is tested. To report such a case, we look for a solid source saying Ebola is suspected and some sense the case has caused serious disruption or reaction. Are buildings being closed and substantial numbers of people being evacuated or isolated? Is a plane being diverted? Is the suspected case closely related to another, confirmed Ebola case?
When we do report a suspected case, we will seek to keep our stories brief and in perspective.
The AP
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On and off that quickly... Pressure to not report, then a sudden contraction? Do you believe it? Have you been seeing reports of the number of cases being Monitored for Ebola in the America News?

... Nor have I seen them.

Ebola Concern Fatigue?

Will we allow a Pandemic, because we grow tired?

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Article #4 - Not all things Ebola are bad news, in fact, the following CNN articles gives a number of very positive outcomes, including changes in the travel protocols to and from the hot zones. Not all it should be, but movement in the right direction.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/22/health/ebola-up-to-speed/

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TRAVEL DEVELOPMENTS
New travel restrictions in place
All U.S.-bound passengers from Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea must land in one of the five U.S. airports with enhanced screening for Ebola: New York's John F. Kennedy International, Washington Dulles, New Jersey's Newark Liberty International, Chicago's O'Hare International and Hartsfield-Jackson International in Atlanta. More than 4,500 people have died from Ebola from those three West African countries.
Travelers from Ebola-affected countries to be monitored for 3 weeks
All travelers coming from Ebola-affected areas will be actively monitored for 21 days starting Monday, CDC Director Dr. Thomas Frieden announced in a telebriefing on Wednesday. Contact information including email, two phone numbers and a physical U.S. address will be gathered from all people coming to the United States from Liberia, Guinea or Sierra Leone, Frieden said.
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It should be noted that the increase in the number of people monitored, is not the same thing at all as an increase in the number of people with the disease.... But that is PART of the PROBLEM.

We would not have the cost and system loading of the dramatically increasing number of people being monitored, if we had implemented the returning from Hot Zone, Monitored, Isolated, Quarantine Protocol.

We now run a real risk of the medical Monitoring system being Overloaded, which in turn, will eventually result in a surge in new Ebola Cases, which will in turn, result in the Class 4, Intensive Care, Contagious Disease Hospital system being over loaded, and a huge spike in the mortality rates of American Ebola Cases.

This isn't speculation, it is a mathematical certainty!

Yet there are two simple changes which stop the Ebola Death Spiral:

1] Limit travel TO Ebola Hot Zones, by Americans, and American- Foreign residents, to essential Ebola Crisis Aid workers ONLY.

2] Implement the long planned Hot Zone Return, Monitored, Isolated Location, Quarantine Protocol.

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Compare the Cost of Monitoring all of the people who have come into contact with the personnel from "Doctors Without Borders" in the case of the Maine-Nurse, and the NYC-Doctor... vs. the cost of having those work as Ebola Aid Workers, in direct contact with Ebola Victims, spend at a minimum, 21 days in a remote location, portable military hut, monitoring station.

The COST alone, to the American Tax Payers, should force the Government and the Obama Administration to Implement these long planned Protocols for dealing the next Hemorrhagic Fever Out Break.

Note, this outbreak COULD have come from anywhere around the world, including Poland, Japan, or Portland Oregon. It could have spurred from any place which has a population of BATS, the animal from who the disease originates.

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Questions for Debate:

If the Ebola Virus, Named after the head waters river of the Congo River, had happened to have come from Poland, Japan, or Portland Oregon, would the Obama Administration have handled the long planned Hot Zone Return, Monitored, Isolated Location, Quarantine Protocol, differently?

Is this a case of possible Societal Suicide, by Racial Guilt/Racial Discrimination, to the response to a disease threat which knows NOTHING of human perceptions of RACE?

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Captain Obvious

11-09-2014, 07:05 AM

Wingnuts are still hoping and praying.

Max Rockatansky

11-09-2014, 07:44 AM

Ebola has not gone away.
Of course it hasn't. It's been known to exist since 1976. As far as most Americans and the political fear-mongers are concerned, it has only existed since this year, 38 years after it's discovery.

Even though modern American medicine is developing a cure and was able to save 6 of the 7 people infected, it still hasn't gone away.

What's happened is that since Texas has eliminated the current problem of Ebola-infected people the fear-mongering political nutjobs who predicted a massive "Obola" epidemic now look like the morons they are with egg all over their faces.

Kurmugeon

11-09-2014, 10:01 AM

Of course it hasn't. It's been known to exist since 1976. As far as most Americans and the political fear-mongers are concerned, it has only existed since this year, 38 years after it's discovery.

Even though modern American medicine is developing a cure and was able to save 6 of the 7 people infected, it still hasn't gone away.

What's happened is that since Texas has eliminated the current problem of Ebola-infected people the fear-mongering political nutjobs who predicted a massive "Obola" epidemic now look like the morons they are with egg all over their faces.

You keep pointing out how long Ebola has been know, 38 years, as if that somehow negates the threat presented by the disease.

It does NOT negate the threat in ANY WAY!

For the entire 38 years that modern science has known about Ebola, for those who seriously study Epidemics, it has been seen as the single most serious viral threat to humanity.

Ebola, as an organism, has likely been around for 10s of Thousands of years, in slightly mutated forms, and among populations of Bats, and Primates. It has likely surfaced among human populations and completely burned out, and killed the entire population those villages, time and again, over the last few thousand years. We simply did not know about Ebola.

Modern Jet travel to and from the Ebola Hot Zones, combined with high density city living in America, and a highly mobile populace which frequently commutes between cities for work on a daily or weekly basis, makes Ebola far more dangerous to High Tech, 1st World, Western societies, than it is to primitive, often near stone age, African Villages.

For ALL of the last 38 years that scientists have been knowledgeable and working to prevent an American Ebola Pandemic, the principle mechanism has always been travel limitations, and returning person Quarantine for 6-8 weeks... ALWAYS!

So, you're argument is just plain WRONG, and misleading.

Worse, You're Post does not address either of the Questions for Debate in the OP:

Questions for Debate:

If the Ebola Virus, Named after the head waters river of the Congo River, had happened to have come from Poland, Japan, or Portland Oregon, would the Obama Administration have handled the long planned Hot Zone Return, Monitored, Isolated Location, Quarantine Protocol, differently?

Is this a case of possible Societal Suicide, by Racial Guilt/Racial Discrimination, in the response to a disease threat which knows NOTHING of human perceptions of RACE?

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Instead of making false, deceptive, misleading, and thread derailing posts, why don't you address the subject of the thread?

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Max Rockatansky

11-09-2014, 10:06 AM

You keep pointing out how long Ebola has been know, 38 years, as if that somehow negates the threat presented by the disease.

My point is fact-based. You keep pointing out that Ebola is some kind of government conspiracy to destroy America.

Common Sense

11-09-2014, 10:07 AM

I thought we were all supposed to be dead by now?

I seem to remember predictions in the tens of thousands by now...

Common Sense

11-09-2014, 10:08 AM

My point is fact-based. You keep pointing out that Ebola is some kind of government conspiracy to destroy America.

No, no...it's a plot by Obama to kill conservatives. That was his theory.

Max Rockatansky

11-09-2014, 10:10 AM

No, no...it's a plot by Obama to kill conservatives. That was his theory.

Does this mean there is a super-secret vaccine for Ebola that is being handed out at Planned Parenthood, Occupy rallies and other bastions of Liberalism so that all Liberals will be immune and all Conservatives will die? What a dastardly plot! The fiends!

PolWatch

11-09-2014, 10:12 AM

Max Rockatansky

11-09-2014, 10:16 AM

The problem (?) we now face...post election. Those who were hysterical because nothing was being done are now faced with doing something (spending lots of $$$). How to reconcile their screams for action with their screams against spending lots of $$$? decisions, decisions, decisions....

Good point. I believe some people are truly disappointed this didn't turn into a massive epidemic killing thousands of Americans.

Kurmugeon

11-09-2014, 10:23 AM

No, no...it's a plot by Obama to kill conservatives. That was his theory.

And it STILL might be the case, we do not yet know.

I have been contacted by appropriate authorities, to assure me that the potential is being looked into seriously, and that those who need to be watched carefully, such as Obama Cabinet member and science adviser, advocate of "population reduction" and "de-development" of America, John Holdren are being watched very carefully.

Even as we post, there are investigators going back through Blood Donations, testing them for Ebola Anti-Bodies, and identifying those who have given blood, who have NOT traveled to Africa, who yet in some way not easily explained, seem to have immunity to the disease.

Specific Tests for anti-body presence of high value targets of a potential terrorist misuse of an Ebola Vaccine are also being made of various officials and immunization production facility workers.

If John Holdren, and a whole bunch of other far-leftie activists suddenly test positive for Ebola Anti-body, outside of any logical explanation, people will go to prison for life, or possibly the electric chair.

I cannot say more, and you'd only scoff at me if I did. The truth will likely come out in a few years. Maybe not, for the sake of National Security.

It suffices that such a plan will not be allowed to achieve its goals.

Furthermore, we have had local city and state governments realize that the federal level government, and the CDC are not doing enough to protect the people under their jurisdiction and protection, and have acted on a local level to limit the exposure of large American Urban Populations to the potential transmission of Ebola from Travelers.

Note, to prevent a lethal Pandemic, we do NOT need to reduce the number of Ebola Cases in the U.S. to zero, we need to only drop the number of simultaneous cases to something that our Level4 Contagious Disease Hospital Intensive Care units can handle.

So far, keep the number of cases below the breakdown threshold of 100-5000 simultaneous cases, has worked.

It has worked because of the policies implemented by local and state authorities, against the express instructions and legal actions of the Obama Administration.

None of this addresses the Question for Debate of the OP:

Questions for Debate:

If the Ebola Virus, Named after the head waters river of the Congo River, had happened to have come from Poland, Japan, or Portland Oregon, would the Obama Administration have handled the long planned Hot Zone Return, Monitored, Isolated Location, Quarantine Protocol, differently?

Is this a case of possible Societal Suicide, by Racial Guilt/Racial Discrimination, in the response to a disease threat which knows NOTHING of human perceptions of RACE?

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Common Sense

11-09-2014, 10:30 AM

Bwhahahahahahaaaa!!!!!

Max Rockatansky

11-09-2014, 10:31 AM

And it STILL might be the case, we do not yet know.

I have been contacted by appropriate authorities, to assure me that the potential is being looked into seriously, and that those who need to be watched carefully, such as Obama Cabinet member and science adviser, advocate of "population reduction" and "de-development" of America, John Holdren are being watched very carefully.

Please tell me more about these "appropriate authorities". Be specific.

Common Sense

11-09-2014, 10:32 AM

Please tell me more about these "appropriate authorities". Be specific.

He knows a guy who knows a guy...top secret black ops shit.

Kurmugeon

11-09-2014, 10:36 AM

Please tell me more about these "appropriate authorities". Be specific.

Go ask them yourself.

You won't believe anything I say anyway.

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Max Rockatansky

11-09-2014, 10:45 AM

Go ask them yourself.

Ask who? @Kurmugeon (http://thepoliticsforums.com/member.php?u=807) You make a statement then are afraid to back it up with facts. Why is that? Why are you being so kagey and koy about this all of a sudden?

Kurmugeon

11-09-2014, 10:52 AM

Ask who? @Kurmugeon (http://thepoliticsforums.com/member.php?u=807) You make a statement then are afraid to back it up with facts. Why is that? Why are you being so kagey and koy about this all of a sudden?

I have already said all that I am told I am allowed to say, with prior approval to posting it.

I will not discuss that line further.

Please keep to the questions for debate in the OP:

Questions for Debate:

If the Ebola Virus, Named after the head waters river of the Congo River, had happened to have come from Poland, Japan, or Portland Oregon, would the Obama Administration have handled the long planned Hot Zone Return, Monitored, Isolated Location, Quarantine Protocol, differently?

Is this a case of possible Societal Suicide, by Racial Guilt/Racial Discrimination, in the response to a disease threat which knows NOTHING of human perceptions of RACE?

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Max Rockatansky

11-09-2014, 11:45 AM

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I have already said all that I am told I am allowed to say, with prior approval to posting it.

I will not discuss that line further.Then why did you mention it? If you are going to claim you are in contact with "the authorities", it's a legitimate question to ask you which authorities.

I have been contacted by appropriate authorities, to assure me that the potential is being looked into seriously, and that those who need to be watched carefully, such as Obama Cabinet member and science adviser, advocate of "population reduction" and "de-development" of America, John Holdren are being watched very carefully.

Kurmugeon

11-09-2014, 11:47 AM

[Then why did you mention it? If you are going to claim you are in contact with "the authorities", it's a legitimate question to ask you which authorities.

I'm sure that they will be in contact with you, be patient.

In the mean time, you could try addressing the Questions for Debate in the OP.

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Max Rockatansky

11-09-2014, 11:52 AM

I'm sure that they will be in contact with you, be patient.
I'll be patient. Will I need more aluminum foil or a decoder ring?

Kurmugeon

11-09-2014, 11:59 AM

I'll be patient. Will I need more aluminum foil or a decoder ring?

I didn't. They were quite respectful, polite, and understanding. One of them even expressed exasperation at the Obama Administration, and their actions on the Ebola issue himself.

They thanked me for raising the concerns despite a politically charged and viciously ad-hominem and hyperbolic atmosphere of the forum.

They are professionals.

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PolWatch

11-09-2014, 12:03 PM

hmm...professionals? were they wearing white uniforms & carrying an odd looking jacket?

Bo-4

11-09-2014, 12:08 PM

You didn't get the memo? Fox has cancelled Ebola coverage until Fall of 2016.. their work is done for now! :D

http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/fox-news-ends-ebola-coverage-work-done

Kurmugeon

11-09-2014, 12:11 PM

hmm...professionals? were they wearing white uniforms & carrying an odd looking jacket?

Cute.

I've said this before, on this forum and others:

I absolutely Hope to all the Gods that the Ebola Sneer & Jeer Crowd are RIGHT, and my last post is completely wrong!

But if there is one thing we learned in 911, it was, when someone tells you over and over an over again, that they hate you and want you dead, and they have the means to cause mass death.... they need to be watched very carefully.

I think that my Far-Left Weapon explanation has a low probability of being correct, but it also has a very high damage potential, and is plausible, if unlikely.

There was a time when some guy was talking about the potential for Al Qaeda to use aircraft hijacked with simple weapons, as flying bombs to destroy buildings.

When he brought up the threat, people snorted, sneered and snickered, and told him to "Take your meds".

These things always seem outlandish and crazy, until suddenly they're not!

PolWatch

11-09-2014, 12:13 PM

Howey

11-09-2014, 12:16 PM

Will we allow a Pandemic, because we grow tired?
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Are you speaking of the pandemic in which over 1900 innocent American children have been killed or injured this year at the hands of GUNS?

Or the ONE death due to a disease that can be treated.

America's right doesn't care about the real pandemic, or it's treatment.

Kurmugeon

11-09-2014, 12:17 PM

Are you speaking of the pandemic in which over 1900 innocent American children have been killed or injured this year at the hands of GUNS?

Or the ONE death due to a disease that can be treated.

America's right doesn't care about the real pandemic, or it's treatment.

Mortality Rates:

Swine Flu
http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/estimates_2009_h1n1.htm

Swine flu: 60.8 million cases with 12,469 deaths = 0.02 %

Avian Flu
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/avian/gen-info/facts.htm

http://www.flu.gov/about_the_flu/h5n1/
Avian Flu: 650 cases with 34 deaths = 5.2%

Ebola
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs103/en/
Ebola: The average EVD case fatality rate is around 50%. Case fatality rates have varied from 25% to 90% in past outbreaks.
The average Ebola Mortality rate for the 2014 West African Outbreak is 70%.
Total Deaths 5000+ and counting.

And the Immunizations for BOTH are readily available to anyone, and have been for a long time:

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/swineflu/influenza-in-swine.htm

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/avian/gen-info/vaccines.htm

Kurmugeon

11-09-2014, 12:27 PM

'But if there is one thing we learned in 911, it was, when someone tells you over and over an over again, that they hate you and want you dead, and they have the means to cause mass death.... they need to be watched very carefully.'

if Ebola is talking to you, please seek professional help.

According to a highly placed White House Obama Administration official, the guy in this Video is "My People" in the eyes of the Administration.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDb2byj74oY

In his own Radical Words:

http://www.cfact.org/2014/05/31/john-holdren-in-his-own-radical-words/

John Holdren in his own (radical) words

“De-develop” the U.S. & “reduce” its population?
- See more at: http://www.cfact.org/2014/05/31/john-holdren-in-his-own-radical-words/#sthash.lNM1HhSC.dpuf

John Holdren in his own (radical) words

“De-develop” the U.S. & “reduce” its population?

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Did Obama science advisor Dr. John Holdren actually call for the American government to “de-develop” the U.S. and “reduce” its population?

Yes, he did.John Holdren

Recalling Holdren’s radical prescription for America is particularly timely with EPA preparing for the Monday rollout of one of the most destructive and useless government policies in American history.

EPA is preparing to severely limit CO2 emissions from existing electrical power plants (the ones already paid for and operating).

President Obama’s latest energy policy will increase electricity prices and whack Electricity prices by country 2011business and family budgets right on their bottom lines. It will have no meaningful impact on the climate. It will certainly be cause for joy for European businesses whose government’s have already raised electricity prices too high to be competitive.

It should also cause smiles in the capitals of developing nations like China and India where they are ramping up fossil fuel use as quickly as their means allow, and are more than delighted to produce the goods tU.S. China coal graphhat the U.S. and Europe will no longer be able to afford to.

The rise of such ideological driven, destructive policies certainly seem to be in line with Holdren’s call for “a much more equitable distribution of wealth than in the present one,” writing that, “redistribution of wealth both within and among nations is absolutely essential, if a decent life is to be provided for every human being.”

It is also consistent with the calls for central planning, deindustrialization and redistribution made in the name of “sustainability” by the acolytes of UN Agenda 21 and the UN climate change agenda that goes with it.

Holdren has tried to deny what he wrote, which has caused controversy and an ongoing war of words between the left-wing Media Matters and Glenn Beck’s The Blaze. They call it a myth, but reading Holdren’s words in their full context, what does Media Matters think Holdren’s call for government to reduce population and de-develop means? It certainly smacks more of authoritarianism than voluntarism.

Do John Holdren and Barack Obama actually believe that other nations will throttle their economies to fall in line with the American example? If the lessons of the past are too remote for them to absorb, they can look to recent history. Everywhere that the Obama foreign and military policies have...
John Holdren in his own (radical) words

“De-develop” the U.S. & “reduce” its population?
- See more at: http://www.cfact.org/2014/05/31/john-holdren-in-his-own-radical-words/#sthash.lNM1HhSC.dpuf

And more Radical Words:

https://diversitychronicle.wordpress.com/2013/11/18/progressive-professor-urges-white-male-students-to-commit-suicide-during

Progressive Professor Urges White Male Students to Commit Suicide During Class

November 18, 2013 · by Diversity Chronicle (https://diversitychronicle.wordpress.com/author/admindiversitychronicle/)

By Ivan Fernando

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“If you are a white male, you don’t deserve to live. You are a cancer, you’re a disease, white males have never contributed anything positive to the world! They only murder, exploit and oppress non-whites! At least a white woman can have sex with a black man and make a brown baby but what can a white male do? He’s good for nothing. Slavery, genocides against aboriginal peoples and massive land confiscation, the inquisition, the holocaust, white males are all to blame! You maintain your white male privilege only by oppressing, discriminating against and enslaving others!” Professor Noel Ignatiev, a tenured professor at Massachusetts College loudly proclaimed to his class last Monday, his final teaching day before retirement.
The good Professor’s sound and reasonable words resonate with every enlightened and progressive mind. They are indisputable and no one can debate them. They should not be controversial in the slightest, yet remarkably a few far-right extremists object to Prof. Ignatiev’s advice. The Professor however, reported receiving “a standing ovation” from his “largely white and middle class students.” Prof. Ignatiev’s critics say that openly calling for students, even if they are white males, to kill themselves was inappropriate and perhaps excessive. In this article, we will look at the other side of the issue.
Fortunately, I was able to arrange a telephone interview with the professor. I felt he deserved a chance to tell his side of the story. A side that our radical and racist far-right media refuse to report. The transcript of our dialogue follows below:
Ivan Fernando: I want to thank you for agreeing to this interview. It’s a pleasure to be able to talk to an esteemed academic of your calibre and impressive credentials.
Prof. Ignatiev: Thank you. I am happy to talk with you today.
Ivan Fernando: I understand that a few people objected to your advice to your white male students on your last day of teaching. Why do you think that is?
Prof. Ignatiev: I chalk it all up to white supremacist attitudes. The goal of destroying the white race is simply so desirable, it boggles the mind trying to understand how anyone could possibly object to it. Those who object to my advice, knowingly or perhaps unknowingly, are themselves white supremacists. They wish to go on oppressing and exploiting other races and maintaining their own privileged positions of power. That is the conscious and sometimes subconscious motivation of all of my critics. That is why they object to destroying the cancer of humanity known as the white race. That ugly disease, which dares to call itself a people and a culture.
Ivan Fernando: All whites, or just white males should commit suicide?
Prof. Ignatiev: Obviously, all whites need to be destroyed, but why not start with white males? They are behind most of history’s greatest atrocities. Besides, some of the brothers like to bang white women. Eventually white women can breed out, but my feeling is that if you are a white male, you should kill yourself now. If you are a thoughtful person, with a social consciousness who considers himself white, you will consider suicide. It’s the right thing to do. Let me read you an e-mail that I received today from a xenophobic white-supremacist.
“I’m not a racist, in fact I am an avowed anti-racist, I just think calling for all white males to kill themselves is extreme. When you say that every white person is bad or advocate violence against them, it sounds almost as though you are becoming a kind of racist yourself. You say it is good for everyone to be proud of their culture.

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Kurmugeon

11-09-2014, 12:37 PM

Here are a few other recent proud Liberal Moments:

http://bearingarms.com/you-can-get-away-with-calling-for-genocide-at-the-university-of-kansas-as-long-as-you-pick-the-right-victim/

http://www.conservativefiringline.com/liberalism-remains-an-ideology-of-genocidal-hate-and-rage/

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/34-the-green-genocide-agenda-saving-the-earth-by-killing-humans/

http://stop-obama-now.net/white-genocide/

When a political movement or group starts talking about genocide over and over and over, and has the means to kill in mass numbers, they need to watched.

I do NOT TRUST the Obama Administration, and I am far from being alone in that mistrust!

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Max Rockatansky

11-09-2014, 03:41 PM

I didn't. They were quite respectful, polite, and understanding. One of them even expressed exasperation at the Obama Administration, and their actions on the Ebola issue himself.

They thanked me for raising the concerns despite a politically charged and viciously ad-hominem and hyperbolic atmosphere of the forum.

They are professionals.

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Awesome. Who were these people again? What agency? All of them from the same agency or did you contact several agencies?

Kurmugeon

11-09-2014, 04:01 PM

Awesome. Who were these people again? What agency? All of them from the same agency or did you contact several agencies?

They contacted me, after reading some of my forum posts.

I'm fairly confident you'll be meeting them... soon.

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Mini Me

11-09-2014, 06:44 PM

Why, I just got my Ebola vaccine yesterday!

Why haven't you peasants got one yet?

I am a member of the 1% elite.

It was nice knowing you common folk!

Mini Me

11-09-2014, 06:49 PM

Cute.

I've said this before, on this forum and others:

You need to stop watching Alex Jones infowars and WorldNutDaily!

Too much of that causes a degenerative brain disease, which causes the Zombie Apocalypse. Walking Dead!

Mini Me

11-09-2014, 06:52 PM

Safety

11-09-2014, 06:53 PM

You keep pointing out how long Ebola has been know, 38 years, as if that somehow negates the threat presented by the disease.

It does NOT negate the threat in ANY WAY!

For the entire 38 years that modern science has known about Ebola, for those who seriously study Epidemics, it has been seen as the single most serious viral threat to humanity.

Ebola, as an organism, has likely been around for 10s of Thousands of years, in slightly mutated forms, and among populations of Bats, and Primates. It has likely surfaced among human populations and completely burned out, and killed the entire population those villages, time and again, over the last few thousand years. We simply did not know about Ebola.

Modern Jet travel to and from the Ebola Hot Zones, combined with high density city living in America, and a highly mobile populace which frequently commutes between cities for work on a daily or weekly basis, makes Ebola far more dangerous to High Tech, 1st World, Western societies, than it is to primitive, often near stone age, African Villages.

For ALL of the last 38 years that scientists have been knowledgeable and working to prevent an American Ebola Pandemic, the principle mechanism has always been travel limitations, and returning person Quarantine for 6-8 weeks... ALWAYS!

So, you're argument is just plain WRONG, and misleading.

Worse, You're Post does not address either of the Questions for Debate in the OP:

Instead of making false, deceptive, misleading, and thread derailing posts, why don't you address the subject of the thread?

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Why all the worries? All you need is Dustin Hoffman and Cuba Gooding Jr. to find a friggin cute little monkey, in the meantime just don't be a citizen of some small ass rural town where someone sneezes on you.

#outbreak

Mini Me

11-09-2014, 07:02 PM

They contacted me, after reading some of my forum posts.

I'm fairly confident you'll be meeting them... soon.

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You mean the men in white coats with the straitjackets?
We are legion, and I am one of them.
The FEMA camps are ready, and the trains only run one way, but are always on time.

Cigar

11-09-2014, 07:08 PM

Bwhahahahahahaaaa!!!!!

The GOP can't spread Fear anymore .... :laugh:

Max Rockatansky

11-09-2014, 10:41 PM

They contacted me, after reading some of my forum posts.

I'm fairly confident you'll be meeting them... soon.

-Awesome. I'm looking forward to meeting them. My house is the one with this on the front gate:

http://oi59.tinypic.com/i6bdpx.jpg

It's the last house at the end of the road. Tell them to honk loudly a few times so I know they're coming.

Kurmugeon

11-10-2014, 04:45 AM

Awesome. I'm looking forward to meeting them. My house is the one with this on the front gate:

http://oi59.tinypic.com/i6bdpx.jpg

It's the last house at the end of the road. Tell them to honk loudly a few times so I know they're coming.

Well, given your intent to kill government officials, stated openly like that, I suspect you might end up talking with a different group of officers... ones who show up in special gear and with a bit more of an attitude.

You see, a concerned citizen raising a legitimate issue of national security, with logic, data, science and documented public events backing his concerns, approaches through appropriate channels and a cooperative mien and decorum gets treated one way ...

... and belligerent lunatic with delusions of comic book macho-man Hero complex and threats of violence get treated another way.

I just hope you get neutralized before someone gets hurt.

P.S. I'm now fairly sure you'll be talking to someone. Ask yourself, what do you really want from this? THINK before you act.

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Common

11-10-2014, 04:54 AM

Its a given ebola wont go away its uncurable still. Is it a threat here, I dont think so

Captain Obvious

11-10-2014, 04:57 AM

I hear they don't wear black suits and drive Crown Victorias anymore.

Kurmugeon

11-10-2014, 06:41 AM

Its a given ebola wont go away its uncurable still. Is it a threat here, I dont think so

It has spread too widely in Africa for it to NOT end up a Global issue.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jvchamary/2014/10/13/ebola-travel/

We WILL see allot more of it in America, whether we implement travel restrictions or not.

The idiots who debate against the travel restrictions seem to be in one of three camps:

1] Ebola isn't a threat to 1st world countries, we are immune by our better sanitary standards and general good health. Those primitives in Africa suffer because they're a lower class of human. Superior Humans need not worry. Even if you do get it, here in America, our better doctors and hospitals mean its just a bad flu.

2] If it is lose world wide, travel restrictions now won't make any difference.

3] Ebola may be deadly, if you get it, but it is too hard to catch for it to be a real concern.

Well, these are patently false arguments.

1] America's higher standards of sanitation and general health, are more than offset by its much more mobile society. If it gets lose in NYC, it will spread nation wide in far less time than that needed for most people to show symptoms which would cause them to be isolated.

The general better health, nutrition, and living conditions of Americans is enjoyed by SOME people in American society, but by no means, by all. Consider the people living in up-state NY in Hampton gated communities, with those in the Urban Black Slums of Ferguson. Our poor may not be living in conditions as deplorable as those in Liberia, but from the sake of viral susceptibility and infection spread, it will be close enough to be very dangerous.

If the virus has created more than around 100-5000 simultaneous cases, our higher standards of hospital care will not be available to the new cases, and the mortality rate and the rate of spread from victims to hospital staff will shift to something much closer to that seen in Africa.

2] We need the travel restrictions to SLOW DOWN the rate of generation of new cases, not to stop them completely. We cannot stop Ebola now, it is too big! But we can slow the spread in the U.S. to a rate which is low enough to give out victims the best possible care, and to isolate those they have had contact with to minimize the spread of the disease.

Travel restrictions are not about Blocking 100% of the cases, it just won't work. They are about reducing the loading on the medical care system to something below collapse levels.

3] Those who think that Ebola is hard to catch are simply misinformed, or fools. If someone has the disease, and sneezed in your face, droplets of spittle will fly into your open eyes, and guess what, you just exchanged bodily fluids. Welcome to Ebola!

We are entering the winter cold season in North America, where people always have the sniffles, and some of those will have the sniffles, sneezes AND Ebola.

I suspect that wearing sun glasses indoors, during the night, will become fashionable. As will scarfs covering the nose and mouth.

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Safety

11-10-2014, 06:44 AM

Well, given your intent to kill government officials, stated openly like that, I suspect you might end up talking with a different group of officers... ones who show up in special gear and with a bit more of an attitude.

You see, a concerned citizen raising a legitimate issue of national security, with logic, data, science and documented public events backing his concerns, approaches through appropriate channels and a cooperative mien and decorum gets treated one way ...

... and belligerent lunatic with delusions of comic book macho-man Hero complex and threats of violence get treated another way.

I just hope you get neutralized before someone gets hurt.

P.S. I'm now fairly sure you'll be talking to someone. Ask yourself, what do you really want from this? THINK before you act.

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Well, I don't know...it seemed to work out pretty well for Cliven Bundy now didn't it? So, I'm sure Max Rockatansky will be just fine.

Kurmugeon

11-10-2014, 07:07 AM

Well, I don't know...it seemed to work out pretty well for Cliven Bundy now didn't it? So, I'm sure @Max Rockatansky (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=575) will be just fine.

I see our Federal Government as a necessary evil, a risk, MUCH tooo BIG!, often wasteful and corrupt, but I do not see it as nothing but an enemy.

I am willing to work with and support our government through thick and thin, though I will do all in my power to see that individual actors, such as Louis Lerner and Eric Holder get held accountable to the LAW.

I suspect that our government is lying to U.S. about Ebola, and if they're not lying, then they are horrendously incompetent.

I do NOT know what is behind the removal of the needed and reasonable travel restriction reaction to a Hemorrhagic Fever outbreak. I think there are some scenarios which are far more likely than others, but the low likelihood variants, which surround malicious intent on the part of some American officials are plausible, if very unlikely, and have HUGE damage potential, and therefore need to be guarded against.

It is Unlikely that ISIS currently has 10+ Nuclear Warheads, and is working to infiltrate them into U.S. Cities for reprisal detonation. That doesn't mean we should stop scanning Aircraft luggage, and Port shipping containers for high energy neutron emissions.

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Peter1469

11-10-2014, 07:24 AM

Its a given ebola wont go away its uncurable still. Is it a threat here, I dont think so

As I said before, the threat here isn't Ebola, it is the panic and inept government handling of it.

Max Rockatansky

11-10-2014, 08:07 AM

Well, given your intent to kill government officials, stated openly like that, I suspect you might end up talking with a different group of officers... ones who show up in special gear and with a bit more of an attitude.

You can lie all you like, but since I know many of them and I already have a file with, they better bring a housewarming gift when they show up.

Kurmugeon

11-10-2014, 08:12 AM

You can lie all you like, but since I know many of them and I already have a file with, they better bring a housewarming gift when they show up.

:) Well, Good Luck.

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Max Rockatansky

11-10-2014, 08:15 AM

As I said before, the threat here isn't Ebola, it is the panic and inept government handling of it.

Agreed about the panic. A slight disagreement about "inept government handling". Ineptness happens, but the primary problem here, IMO, is lack of funding. We can't cut the budget of agencies like the CDC or the military and then expect them to be able to do the same jobs they were doing before their funding was cut.

For the CDC, the primary focus is flu season and other diseases that kill thousands of Americans. Same goes for local hospitals. It wasn't the CDC that turned Duncan away with a fever and knowledge that he'd recently been to West Africa. It was a CDC rep who told a nurse she could fly with fever symptoms and recent contact with an Ebola patient just because her temperature didn't meet the Ebola limit.

Peter1469

11-10-2014, 08:19 AM

When I say inept handling I mean the public statements made by our government that were contradictory and self serving. What do citizens do when confronted with that?

Agreed about the panic. A slight disagreement about "inept government handling". Ineptness happens, but the primary problem here, IMO, is lack of funding. We can't cut the budget of agencies like the CDC or the military and then expect them to be able to do the same jobs they were doing before their funding was cut.

For the CDC, the primary focus is flu season and other diseases that kill thousands of Americans. Same goes for local hospitals. It wasn't the CDC that turned Duncan away with a fever and knowledge that he'd recently been to West Africa. It was a CDC rep who told a nurse she could fly with fever symptoms and recent contact with an Ebola patient just because her temperature didn't meet the Ebola limit.

Max Rockatansky

11-10-2014, 08:19 AM

:) Well, Good Luck.Thanks, but I'm not going to worry about it.

I am curious about the nature of those who contacted you. Did "they" PM you or did they call and/or email you? How did they know who you were?

I don't buy the conspiracy BS that's passed around these forums, so I'm wondering if you are being scammed, toyed with or if all of this is in your head.

Captain Obvious

11-10-2014, 08:23 AM

Thanks, but I'm not going to worry about it.

I am curious about the nature of those who contacted you. Did "they" PM you or did they call and/or email you? How did they know who you were?

I don't buy the conspiracy BS that's passed around these forums, so I'm wondering if you are being scammed, toyed with or if all of this is in your head.

There's a psychological condition here. One is paranoia, fear that Ebola is going to get everyone.

The second is the "I have the inside scoop" part.

There's probably a definition for it but it's one of those things that's easy to spot even though you're not exactly sure what it is.

Max Rockatansky

11-10-2014, 08:24 AM

When I say inept handling I mean the public statements made by our government that were contradictory and self serving. What do citizens do when confronted with that?

After 9/11, the President said, in essence, don't worry and keep shopping. It's common for politicians to try to maintain calm in a crisis. In the case of Ebola, there were some who wanted to whip it into being a crisis. It wasn't but with an upcoming election, some wanted it to be one.

Just as President Obama's administration wanted to politically spin Benghazi to avoid harm to himself and the Democrats before the 2012 election, I think some wanted to politically spin the Ebola situation in favor of Republicans.

Kurmugeon

11-10-2014, 09:17 AM

Here is a related article, on the development of local and state authority to deal with the potential threat, outside of the Federal Government's control and express wishes:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/10/29/after-fight-with-chris-christie-nurse-kaci-hickox-defies-ebola-quarantine-in-maine/

Maine Gov. Paul LePage is seeking legal authority to enforce Ebola quarantine on nurse

Maine Gov. Paul LePage (R) is looking for ways to force a nurse released from mandatory Ebola isolation in New Jersey to abide by a similar 21-day quarantine in Maine.

“The Office of the Governor has been working collaboratively with the State health officials within the Department of Health and Human Services to seek legal authority to enforce the quarantine,” LePage’s office said in a statement Wednesday. “We hoped that the health-care worker would voluntarily comply with these protocols, but this individual has stated publicly she will not abide by the protocols.”

The nurse, Kaci Hickox, recently returned to the United States from Sierra Leone, where she was working on the front lines of the Ebola epidemic with Doctors Without Borders.

Last Friday, Hickox was placed in quarantine in New Jersey after returning from West Africa, despite testing negative for the virus.

By Saturday, she was battling Gov. Chris Christie (R) over the conditions and legality of the quarantine, filing a lawsuit and forcing public debate over states’ treatment of health-care workers returning from West Africa.

The governor quickly backed down and released Hickox.

Now back in her home state of Maine, Hickox again finds herself at odds with state officials who expect her to remain quarantined at home for 21 days, the incubation period for Ebola.

...

Some see her actions as Heroic.

I find them reprehensible, irresponsible, selfish, self-defeating, cruel to those in need in Africa, and just plain Stupid.

Consider, the CDC says the onset of contagious symptoms time period for Ebola is 2-21 days, and our policies are determined by that statement.

But, the CDC admits that their own science, and that of the WHO is correct, when the WHO claims that only 95% of the cases have an onset in the period of 2-21 days. The remaining 5% are in the period of 1-2 days, or in the period of 22-45 days.

5% is a One in Twenty chance.

Would any sane person board an aircraft for a Tran-Oceanic Flight with a One in Twenty chance of not making the far shore?

When Nurse Hickox flew back to the United States, she was aboard an Aircraft, which Government Regulation and LAW required to have a proven MTBF for over-seas flight passenger service qualification of over 1Million flight hours.

The statistical chances of catastrophic failure of that aircraft is REQUIRED to be less than one in 100,000 flights, before it can be used. We, as a society require this because in the case of passenger jet airliners, on overseas flights, catastrophic failure could mean the loss of 600+ lives.

Well, if Nurse Hickox turns out to show late arrival symptoms of Ebola, in days 22-48, and because she's out and about, mixing in with the rest of U.S., she could easily infect and kill how many? 1000+? 10,000+?

Would you stand within sneezing distance of Nurse Hickox with a cold, today? I would not!

Shouldn't we at least require those Ebola Aid workers returning from Hot Zones to use precautionary measure with an expected reliability figure at least as good as those used for the qualification of Jet Airliners?

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Captain Obvious

11-10-2014, 09:21 AM

Max Rockatansky

11-10-2014, 09:23 AM

Dozens dead of Ebola in Toronto!!!!! Government covers up epidemic!!!!!

http://storage.canoe.ca/v1/dynamic_resize/?src=http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2014/06/14/prostitution_protest_650.jpg&size=650x366&quality=85

Oh, wait. Those are sex-workers protesting new legislation. Never mind.
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2014/06/14/21741246.html

Captain Obvious

11-10-2014, 09:24 AM

Max Rockatansky

11-10-2014, 09:28 AM

That closest one must be the Sam's Club brand.

:biglaugh:
20% off for members!

Kurmugeon

11-10-2014, 09:29 AM

Should we just across-the-board quarantine anyone flying in from Africa? I don't think so, I think that's $#@!-the-bed mentality.

Should we take reasonable precautions and follow established, effective protocol that appears to be working?

... nah, $#@! it - $#@! that bed!

Nurse Hickox, and also the NYC Doctor, were not just anyone flying in from Africa.

Africa is a big place. Some of the countries in Africa are current Ebola Hot Zones, many are not. Some WERE Ebola Hot Zones, but have been free of new cases longer than the WHO 48+ onset period, and have been declared free of the disease.

Many travelers returning from Ebola Hot Zone countries did not have direct contact with Ebola Victims.

If you fall into the select category of :

1] Been to Ebola Hot Zone Country within the last 48 Days.
2] Had direct contact with known Ebola Victims.
3] Live in a large, high density, high mobility of travel, urban area, rather than a remote rural location with infrequent travel.

Then it is reasonable, as a component in the Ebola Safety Protocols for protecting American Citizens, just like the Statistically driven requirement for Aircraft reliability...

It is reasonable to demand that such a select group of individuals undergoes a 48 day isolation protocol, with minimal and tracked interactions with others.

It is totally unreasonable to have them going to public restaurants and bowling alley, while suffering from fever and diarrhea.

Why is this so hard for you to understand?

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Matty

11-10-2014, 09:33 AM

Captain Obvious

11-10-2014, 09:34 AM

Nurse Hickox, and also the NYC Doctor, were not just anyone flying in from Africa.

Africa is a big place. Some of the countries in Africa are current Ebola Hot Zones, many are not. Some WERE Ebola Hot Zones, but have been free of new cases longer than the CDC 48+ onset period, and have been declared free of the disease.

Many travelers returning from Ebola Hot Zone countries did not have direct contact with Ebola Victims.

If you fall into the select category of :

1] Been to Ebola Hot Zone Country within the last 48 Days.
2] Had direct contact with known Ebola Victims.
3] Live in a large, high density, high mobility of travel, urban area, rather than a remote rural location with infrequent travel.

Then it is reasonable, as a component in the Ebola Safety Protocols for protecting American Citizens, just like the Statistically driven requirement for Aircraft reliability...

It is reasonable to demand that such a select group of individuals undergoes a 48 day isolation protocol, with minimal and tracked interactions with others.

It is totally unreasonable to have them going to public restaurants and bowling alley, while suffering from fever and diarrhea.

Why is this so hard for you to understand?

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Because those same protocols you're suggesting would actually be more effective and save more lives with those exposed to the flu virus.

Why is that so hard for you to understand?

Tell you what, copy the link to this thread to your Outlook calendar and check it a year from today. When nobody's talking about Ebola anymore and after there was no outbreak then maybe you'll understand it.

At that time far, far more people will have died in the US from the flu.

Captain Obvious

11-10-2014, 09:35 AM

How about we quarantine anyone flying in from Africa who has had direct contact with EBOLA patients? Or would that be too fuming hysteria cal for the lib lemmings?

If we went the way of bed shitting wingnuts we would be shooting those planes down over the Atlantic.

Kurmugeon

11-10-2014, 09:38 AM

How about we quarantine anyone flying in from Africa who has had direct contact with EBOLA patients? Or would that be too fuming hysteria cal for the lib lemmings?

It is the fact that it is ONLY the far lefties, who are being so damned irrational on this subject that worries me.

It is like they KNOW something about the threat that we do not.

It is like they're immune, and they know it.

Over and over, on every forum, its only the far lefties, every damn time!

We, America, and our DHS/FBI/CIA really need to look into this...

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Matty

11-10-2014, 09:39 AM

If we went the way of bed $#@!ting wingnuts we would be shooting those planes down over the Atlantic.
That's what libtards always say!

Captain Obvious

11-10-2014, 09:40 AM

We, America, and our DHS/FBI/CIA really need to look into this...

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:biglaugh:

http://assets.diylol.com/hfs/cea/895/f6a/resized/meme-meme-generator-i-don-t-always-wear-tin-foil-hats-but-when-i-do-i-smear-peanutbutter-allover-myself-5e712d.jpg

Peter1469

11-10-2014, 09:40 AM

It isn't hard to impose travel restrictions. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2014/11/03/map-the-africa-without-ebola/)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=http://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/files/2014/11/B1e1rRbCYAE2JFS-1.png&w=1484

del

11-10-2014, 09:43 AM

It is the fact that it is ONLY the far lefties, who are being so damned irrational on this subject that worries me.

It is like they KNOW something about the threat that we do not.

It is like they're immune, and they know it.

Over and over, on every forum, its only the far lefties, every damn time!

We, America, and our DHS/FBI/CIA really need to look into this...

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i put some ebolas in your peanut butter

bwahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahhahahahha

die, rightest scum!

bwahahahahahhahahhahahahahhahahahhaha

Kurmugeon

11-10-2014, 09:55 AM

i put some ebolas in your peanut butter

bwahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahhahahahha

die, rightest scum!

bwahahahahahhahahhahahahahhahahahhaha

Smug, Smear and Jeer Lefties on parade.

Well, at least we can ID those to get the blood test for Ebola Anti-bodies which they should not have...

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del

11-10-2014, 10:02 AM

Smug, Smear and Jeer Lefties on parade.

Well, at least we can ID those to get the blood test for Ebola Anti-bodies which they should not have...

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i'll let you know when it's safe to come out from under your bed

hush, now

Cigar

11-10-2014, 10:06 AM

It's Over: Texas' Ebola Outbreak Has Ended
The Ebola outbreak in Texas has ended.

As of midnight Friday, it was 21 days since anyone got Ebola or was in contact with someone who got Ebola.

“God willing, we are going to be Ebola-free Friday midnight,” said Dallas County Judge Clay Jenkins, the elected official who oversaw the county’s response to its three-person outbreak, before the deadline passed.

It started when Thomas Eric Duncan (http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ebola-virus-outbreak/texas-ebola-patient-thomas-eric-duncan-has-died-hospital-says-n221141), a Liberian citizen planning to settle in the United States, became sick and was at first mistakenly sent home from Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital in Dallas. He returned two days later by ambulance and was diagnosed with Ebola.

Officials had to track as many as 50 people who may have been in contact with Duncan. But the real scare came when two nurses, Nina Pham (http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ebola-virus-outbreak/recovered-ebola-nurse-nina-pham-dog-bentley-reunite-dallas-n239031) and Amber Vinson (http://www.today.com/health/dallas-nurse-amber-vinson-defends-her-decision-fly-i-would-1D80266455), became infected while caring for him. Vinson had traveled to Ohio (http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ebola-virus-outbreak/ebola-nurse-amber-joy-vinson-flew-plan-wedding-n226651) to make wedding plans and, even though she wasn’t diagnosed until she came back to Dallas, her travels set off waves of anxiety.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ebola-virus-outbreak/its-over-texas-ebola-outbreak-has-ended-n242931

Captain Obvious

11-10-2014, 10:11 AM

i'll let you know when it's safe to come out from under your bed

hush, now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z66RpatHajQ

Peter1469

11-10-2014, 10:19 AM

Captain Obvious

11-10-2014, 10:28 AM

Great movie.

I still can't figure out how you can get lost and walk in circles when there is a stream to follow.... :shocked:

But I use to be point man and navigate in complete darkness just by the slope of the terrain. Of course that is with a lot of prep work- map recon.

Agreed.

We watched it again this past weekend. I thought it was such a refreshingly honest movie back when it came out. None of that special effects shit.

Kurmugeon

11-10-2014, 06:42 PM

Great movie.

I still can't figure out how you can get lost and walk in circles when there is a stream to follow.... :shocked:

But I use to be point man and navigate in complete darkness just by the slope of the terrain. Of course that is with a lot of prep work- map recon.

Back to the thread derailment tactic... How droll.

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Peter1469

11-10-2014, 06:48 PM

Back to the thread derailment tactic... How droll.

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Add something new to the thread. On topic.

Go.

del

11-10-2014, 06:49 PM

Back to the thread derailment tactic... How droll.

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4 cases confirmed

we're doomed

http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/outbreaks/2014-west-africa/united-states-imported-case.html

Max Rockatansky

11-10-2014, 06:57 PM

It's Over: Texas' Ebola Outbreak Has Ended

Woot! American technology wins again!

Max Rockatansky

11-10-2014, 06:58 PM

Well, given your intent to kill government officials, stated openly like that, I suspect you might end up talking with a different group of officers... ones who show up in special gear and with a bit more of an attitude.

I'm taking bets I won't even get a phone call much less a visit. How much do you want to put on the table? Is $100 too rich for you?

Kurmugeon

11-10-2014, 07:03 PM

Add something new to the thread. On topic.

Go.

Here is an article which covers other places and cultures around the world, where people eat Bats, and hence other locations that the Ebola virus COULD have been named after, and been associated with...

http://www.damninteresting.com/the-hazards-of-eating-bats/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bat_(food)

http://recipes.howstuffworks.com/menus/bats-delicacy.htm

Guam, Indonesia, Malaysia, China, Thailand, and even Australia.

Just think we could be talking about travel bans for people coming from Australia.

And SARs, ALS-PDC dementia, DDT poisoning, and the Marburg Virus also come from Bats.

Bats are not good food.

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Max Rockatansky

11-10-2014, 07:28 PM

Bats are not good food.

The problem with bats isn't the bats themselves, but the handling of them and/or under cooking them.

A similar problem occurs with hunters of catching trichinosis from butchering or under cooking rabbits and hogs.

Obviously it isn't as much a problem in a First World country as it is in a Third World one.

Captain Obvious

11-10-2014, 07:35 PM

4 cases confirmed

we're doomed

http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/outbreaks/2014-west-africa/united-states-imported-case.html

Shit - really? 4 new cases?

This is not good, not good I tell you... wait, these are the same 4 cases from weeks ago.

Goddammit, I was halfway to the grocery store to buy up all the bread and milk too.

:biglaugh:

PolWatch

11-10-2014, 08:03 PM

time line anyone: last Monday: WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE
last Wednesday:
Now: Its a miracle cure!

I love happy endings

lynn

11-11-2014, 06:51 AM

If Ebola is so difficult to catch even when the person only has a fever then why does the CDC have the homes of these people disinfected at a cost of over 30,000 to do it at the tax payers expense?

Captain Obvious

11-11-2014, 07:30 AM

I ate a bowl of leftover chicken smothered in garlic and chili sauce stewed in bacon grease and now I have the shits.

Do I have ebola?

Peter1469

11-11-2014, 08:33 AM

I ate a bowl of leftover chicken smothered in garlic and chili sauce stewed in bacon grease and now I have the shits.

Do I have ebola?
Why would you?

Green Arrow

11-11-2014, 08:38 AM

If Ebola is so difficult to catch even when the person only has a fever then why does the CDC have the homes of these people disinfected at a cost of over 30,000 to do it at the tax payers expense?

It's called wisdom. If the chance exists, however remote, it's wise to take simple precautions. Decontamination is one of those.

PolWatch

11-11-2014, 08:40 AM

I suspect its probably as much for appearance sake as actual decontamination. The $$$ is immaterial in the publicity wars.

Green Arrow

11-11-2014, 08:43 AM

I suspect its probably as much for appearance sake as actual decontamination. The $$$ is immaterial in the publicity wars.

I'm confused as to why she's complaining about the amount of money "at taxpayer's expense," considering she's been at the forefront of ebola hysteria. If we're at danger of an ebola epidemic, who cares how much we spend trying to halt it?

Captain Obvious

11-11-2014, 08:49 AM

Why would you?

What, eat that chicken?

It was really good.

Max Rockatansky

11-11-2014, 09:04 AM

If Ebola is so difficult to catch even when the person only has a fever then why does the CDC have the homes of these people disinfected at a cost of over 30,000 to do it at the tax payers expense?
Because thousands of citizens are panicking about shit they don't know anything about but believe what they are told by talking heads on the TeeVee.

PolWatch

11-11-2014, 09:08 AM

I'm confused as to why she's complaining about the amount of money "at taxpayer's expense," considering she's been at the forefront of ebola hysteria. If we're at danger of an ebola epidemic, who cares how much we spend trying to halt it?

because prior to the election Ebola and what was/was not being done was a valuable issue. Now, the issue of spending $$$ to enforce the actions they were screaming for is gonna be on their shoulders.

Captain Obvious

11-11-2014, 09:12 AM

Because thousands of citizens are panicking about shit they don't know anything about but believe what they are told by talking heads on the TeeVee.

Some are panicking, not all.

And some are politically motivated to make this a political issue because they are not O'bama supporters.

Max Rockatansky

11-11-2014, 09:16 AM

Some are panicking, not all.

And some are politically motivated to make this a political issue because they are not O'bama supporters.
Which is one reason why a lot of the hoopla died down after November 4th.

Green Arrow

11-11-2014, 09:19 AM

50,000 die EVERY YEAR from the flu, and if I recall correctly, that's just in America alone.

Meanwhile, ebola has killed, what, 5,000 people total in 40 years?

PolWatch

11-11-2014, 09:23 AM

50,000 die EVERY YEAR from the flu, and if I recall correctly, that's just in America alone.

Meanwhile, ebola has killed, what, 5,000 people total in 40 years?

Ebola has a much better publicity machine....

Max Rockatansky

11-11-2014, 09:25 AM

50,000 die EVERY YEAR from the flu, and if I recall correctly, that's just in America alone.

Meanwhile, ebola has killed, what, 5,000 people total in 40 years?
Flu deaths are difficult to estimate, but that's a fair number. Old people often die of pneumonia caused by being stricken with flu. Same for anyone with a compromised immune system.

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/disease/us_flu-related_deaths.htm

The number of seasonal influenza-associated (i.e., seasonal flu-related) deaths varies from year to year because flu seasons are unpredictable and often fluctuate in length and severity. Therefore, a single estimate cannot be used to summarize influenza-associated deaths. Instead, a range of estimated deaths is a better way to represent the variability and unpredictability of flu. An August 27, 2010 MMWR report entitled “Thompson MG et al. Updated Estimates of Mortality Associated with Seasonal Influenza through the 2006-2007 Influenza Season. MMWR 2010; 59(33): 1057-1062. (http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5933a1.htm)," provides updated estimates of the range of flu-associated deaths that occurred in the United States during the three decades prior to 2007. CDC estimates that from the 1976-1977 season to the 2006-2007 flu season, flu-associated deaths ranged from a low of about 3,000 to a high of about 49,000 people. Death certificate data and weekly influenza virus surveillance information was used to estimate how many flu-related deaths occurred among people whose underlying cause of death was listed as respiratory or circulatory disease on their death certificate.

Top of Page (http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/disease/us_flu-related_deaths.htm#)What else does this study tell us?The MMWR study also found that during seasons when influenza A (H3N2) viruses were prominent death rates were more than double what they were during seasons when influenza A (H1N1) or influenza B viruses predominated. In addition, the study confirmed previous findings that about 90% of influenza associated deaths occur among adults 65 years and older.

Peter1469

11-11-2014, 09:36 AM

36,000 flu deaths in 2013 for the US. But the vast majority of those died of other things after getting the flu.

Max Rockatansky

11-11-2014, 10:22 AM

36,000 flu deaths in 2013 for the US. But the vast majority of those died of other things after getting the flu.

True. Diseases that wouldn't have killed them if they hadn't caught the flu in the first place.

Howey

11-11-2014, 04:50 PM

Mortality Rates:

Swine Flu
http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/estimates_2009_h1n1.htm

From your link:

Most infections with variant viruses have occurred in children (persons 18 or younger) and most cases have reported direct or indirect exposure to swine prior to onset of illness. Limited transmission from close contact with an infected person has been observed in some investigations of human infections with variant viruses, but sustained human-to-human transmission has not been documented.

Avian Flu
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/avian/gen-info/facts.htm

http://www.flu.gov/about_the_flu/h5n1/

Avian Flu: 650 cases with 34 deaths = 5.2% - That is a WORLDWIDE FIGURE

650 cases of human cases of H5N1 have been reported from 15 countries since 2003

Ebola
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs103/en/
Ebola: The average EVD case fatality rate is around 50%. Case fatality rates have varied from 25% to 90% in past outbreaks.
The average Ebola Mortality rate for the 2014 West African Outbreak is 70%.
Total Deaths 5000+ and counting.

Once again...I'm talking about the US. The nation with the

And the Immunizations for BOTH are readily available to anyone, and have been for a long time:

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/swineflu/influenza-in-swine.htm

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/avian/gen-info/vaccines.htm

(1) 1229 actual deaths.

As far as a vaccine for Ebola, up until October there was extremely limited quantities, under 24k. Only until the current crisis did numbers start increasing and that's dependent upon the Republicans in congress funding it.

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/ebola/23-october-2014/en/

Now...Let me explain. I have no problem discussing issues but how about not lying and misrepresenting facts/figures to support your misguided statements?

The fact is 20 CHILDREN are hospitalized daily from gunshot injuries. That number is among the highest worldwide.

http://www.webmd.com/parenting/news/20140127/twenty-us-kids-hospitalized-each-day-for-gun-injuries-study

How can you justify it?

Green Arrow

11-11-2014, 05:16 PM

(1) 1229 actual deaths.

As far as a vaccine for Ebola, up until October there was extremely limited quantities, under 24k. Only until the current crisis did numbers start increasing and that's dependent upon the Republicans in congress funding it.

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/ebola/23-october-2014/en/

Now...Let me explain. I have no problem discussing issues but how about not lying and misrepresenting facts/figures to support your misguided statements?

The fact is 20 CHILDREN are hospitalized daily from gunshot injuries. That number is among the highest worldwide.

http://www.webmd.com/parenting/news/20140127/twenty-us-kids-hospitalized-each-day-for-gun-injuries-study

How can you justify it?

Ironically, freaking out about gun deaths is no different than freaking out about ebola. I'm more likely to get struck by lightning or drown in my bathtub than I am to get ebola or get shot to death. Something like .085 (@Alyosha can correct my terrible math) of the U.S. population dies annually due to guns. That's just not a huge problem. Considering how prevalent guns are in our society and our strong gun culture, that number should be a hell of a lot higher. The fact that it isn't, and crime in general is on the decline, shows that for all the media and political hype, we're just fine.

Kurmugeon

11-11-2014, 05:25 PM

Ironically, freaking out about gun deaths is no different than freaking out about ebola. I'm more likely to get struck by lightning or drown in my bathtub than I am to get ebola or get shot to death. Something like .085 (@Alyosha can correct my terrible math) of the U.S. population dies annually due to guns. That's just not a huge problem. Considering how prevalent guns are in our society and our strong gun culture, that number should be a hell of a lot higher. The fact that it isn't, and crime in general is on the decline, shows that for all the media and political hype, we're just fine.

Very Cute....

And also scientifically a completely flawed Analysis of the the Threat of Ebola.

Evaluating the risk of Ebola based on a Static snapshot of current ratios of infected vs. non-infected is a complete WRONG analysis.

The problem is those who are NOT concerned about Ebola do not understand the nature of Exponential Growth of Epidemics!

The current Ebola Epidemic in Western Africa Started in March of this year.

The WHO estimates that this upcoming month there will be 10,000 new cases with a 50% mortality rate.

Currently more than 5000 people have died.

In January of this year, there had not been any deaths, not ONE, in Africa for a number of years.

Timeline: Tracing the world's worst Ebola outbreak - Firstpost (http://www.firstpost.com/world/timeline-tracing-worlds-worst-ebola-outbreak-1719637.html)

Before this, the most recent deaths were in 2012.

Ebola virus disease - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebola_virus_disease)

This is the mathematical nature of Exponential Growth of Epidemics.

You cannot scientifically base your assessment of the threat based on the static number of people who currently have the disease in your country, as a percentage of the total number of people, if you have have more than zero people infected.

Because just one case can grow exponentially, just as it did, this year alone, in Africa, to thousands, and likely millions, in less than a year.

People quote two cases in America, compared to a 316 Million population, and dismiss the case as statistically insignificant.

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Well, the way an epidemiologist tracks a virus spread is by analyzing the Case and its decedent created cases.

A single Case of Ebola has a chance of creating one or more subsequent cases, on average.

When a significant amount of data has been collected, such as we HAVE DONE in Africa this summer, you can assign values to the likelihood of subsequent cases.

Lets say that the average number of subsequent cases is 2.0 ( these are always floating point numbers, when gathered in large samples )

So 1->2->4->8->16...

Now, as Epidemics go, that's not bad at all.

More common are 1->16->256->4096.

Still, for the hospital treatment to be practical, It actually has to be less than Unity.

1->0.5->0.25

Meaning, that only one of every two cases creates a new case.

Anything above unity, from an Epidemic Control perspective, is a recipe for disaster.

In order for a Hospital Treatment protocol to be practical to implement, you need to coefficient of subsequent cases to be 0.1 or less.

In other words less than one in ten cases admitted to a hospital results in one additional case.

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You're looking at it all WRONG!

You are using a very flawed, static statistic view of the Ebola infection, which is not an accurate way to assess the threat of a Potentially Exponentially growing threat!

There were Zero, Zilch, Nada, None, No cases at all in Africa in January of 2014, and there hadn't been a case since 2012.

In a year, in Africa, it has gone from 1 case in March, to a CDC projected 10,000 new cases a WEEK in October.

That is exponential growth!

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del

11-11-2014, 05:31 PM

in america, it has gone from 3 cases in october to zero in november

better get back under your bed

Green Arrow

11-11-2014, 05:32 PM

Very Cute....

And also scientifically a completely flawed Analysis of the the Threat of Ebola.

Right, I get it. You have special people in the US government call you personally after reading your posts on this forum and tell you that you were right about everything, all liberals have magic ebola antibodies, and this is all a plot to murder conservatives. It's not too far a stretch to say that ISIL can weaponize it, either.

Did you take the Onion-esque article I made up and posted a few weeks ago seriously? 'Cause I said that, almost word for word.

Kurmugeon

11-11-2014, 05:33 PM

Dr. Craig Spencer painted as a Hero.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2830188/New-York-doctor-free-Ebola-discharged-hospital.html

For a guy who knowingly exposed 100s if not 1000s of people to Ebola for TWO DAYS after contracting the symptoms of Ebola.

The WHO states that the time from last know exposure to the possible onset of symptoms and contagious status is 1-45 DAYS!

The CDC states that 95% of the cases fall within 2-21 days, meaning that 5% of the cases, or one in twenty, are outside that period, meaning from day 22-45

NYC Confirms First Ebola Case: Doctor Back from Treating Patients in Guinea (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/10/23/NY-doctor-back-from-Guinea-has-Ebola--1st-in-city)

Timeline, Map: Tracking NYC Ebola Patient Craig Spencer's Whereabouts | NBC New York (http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Ebola-Craig-Spencer-Timeline-Visit-Track-New-York-Health-Department-280342252.html)

TimeLine for Dr. Craig Spencer!

Friday, Oct 24, 2014 • Updated at 9:16 PM EST

Craig Spencer, a 33-year-old doctor who was treating Ebola patients in West Africa with the group Doctors Without Borders, returned to New York on Oct. 17. Other than feeling sluggish, he had exhibited no symptoms of the disease until Thursday. After he was admitted to Bellevue Hospital, he tested positive for the virus. He had spent the previous days at various locations across the city; doctors have said he posed no risk to the public because he was asymptomatic.

The Health Department tracked his whereabouts from when he left Guinea Oct. 14 through his diagnosis. While in Guinea, Spencer always wore personal protective equipment, and there were no known breaches in protocol, officials say.

On Oct. 14, he took a flight from Guinea to Brussels, reporting no symptoms. On Oct. 17, he boarded a flight from Brussels to the U.S. on Brussels Airlines Flight SN0501, again reporting no symptoms.

He landed at JFK on Oct. 17, and went through the enhanced screening required for travelers coming from Ebola-stricken nations in West Africa. He did not show any symptoms.

Here is where Spencer went in New York City after he started feeling tired on Tuesday (times are approximate).

Tuesday, Oct. 21

7 a.m. Reports fatigue and exhaustion, but shows no other symptoms like fever, vomiting, diarrhea

3 p.m. Visits The Meatball Shop at 64 Greenwich Ave., spends 40 minutes there

4:30 p.m. Visits the High Line, stops by Blue Bottle Coffee stand at 10th Avenue and West 16th Street

5:30 p.m. Gets off the High Line at 34th Street, takes the 1 train to 145th Street

Wednesday, Oct. 22

1 p.m. Goes running along Riverside Drive and West Side Highway

2 p.m. Picks up Community Supported Agriculture (CSA) farm share at 143rd Street and Amsterdam Avenue (Corbin Hill Farm), goes back to apartment on 147th Street between Broadway and Amsterdam Avenue in Hamilton Heights

5:30 p.m. Leaves apartment to go to The Gutter bowling Alley in Williamsburg. Takes the A train at 145th Street, transfers at 14th Street to take L train to Bedford Avenue

8:30 p.m. Leaves The Gutter. Takes Uber cab to return home

Thursday, Oct 23

10:15 a.m. Reports fever, contacts Doctors Without Borders and NYC Health Department. Immediately taken to Bellevue Hospital by FDNY EMS.

He was released from the Hospital on Nov 10, 2014, now testing Ebola Free.

The guy not only contracted Ebola, beyond any possible shadow of a doubt, he spent TWO DAYS, with Symptoms and Contagious wandering around NYC, going Bowling, and eating at Restaurants with the disease!

Safety

11-11-2014, 05:33 PM

Right, I get it. You have special people in the US government call you personally after reading your posts on this forum and tell you that you were right about everything, all liberals have magic ebola antibodies, and this is all a plot to murder conservatives. It's not too far a stretch to say that ISIL can weaponize it, either.

Did you take the Onion-esque article I made up and posted a few weeks ago seriously? 'Cause I said that, almost word for word.

You mean he fell for it hook, line, and sinker?

del

11-11-2014, 05:33 PM

Green Arrow

11-11-2014, 05:34 PM

You mean he fell for it hook, line, and sinker?

Certainly appears that way.

Howey

11-11-2014, 06:02 PM

Dr. Craig Spencer painted as a Hero.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2830188/New-York-doctor-free-Ebola-discharged-hospital.htm (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2830188/New-York-doctor-free-Ebola-discharged-hospital.html)l

For a guy who knowingly exposed 100s if not 1000s of people to Ebola for TWO DAYS after contracting the symptoms of Ebola.

The WHO states that the time from last know exposure to the possible onset of symptoms and contagious status is 1-45 DAYS!

The CDC states that 95% of the cases fall within 2-21 days, meaning that 5% of the cases, or one in twenty, are outside that period, meaning from day 22-45

NYC Confirms First Ebola Case: Doctor Back from Treating Patients in Guinea (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/10/23/NY-doctor-back-from-Guinea-has-Ebola--1st-in-city)

Timeline, Map: Tracking NYC Ebola Patient Craig Spencer's Whereabouts | NBC New York (http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Ebola-Craig-Spencer-Timeline-Visit-Track-New-York-Health-Department-280342252.html)

TimeLine for Dr. Craig Spencer!

He was released from the Hospital on Nov 10, 2014, now testing Ebola Free.

The guy not only contracted Ebola, beyond any possible shadow of a doubt, he spent TWO DAYS, with Symptoms and Contagious wandering around NYC, going Bowling, and eating at Restaurants with the disease!

And nobody, not a single person, he came in contact with has shown any symptoms whatsoever.

I wonder how many children have been killed by guns in the past 24 hours?

A quick Google search turned up at least four.

McCool

11-11-2014, 07:11 PM

I thought we were all supposed to be dead by now?

I seem to remember predictions in the tens of thousands by now... You're thinking of the environment. We're all supposed to be frozen in sea ice by now.

exotix

11-11-2014, 07:15 PM

http://i61.tinypic.com/a9pev7.gif

Kurmugeon

11-11-2014, 09:07 PM

And nobody, not a single person, he came in contact with has shown any symptoms whatsoever.

I wonder how many children have been killed by guns in the past 24 hours?

A quick Google search turned up at least four.

So here's a story I'm sure you Smug Liberals will like:

http://rt.com/usa/204523-logan-ebola-quarantine-africa/

But, in my opinion...

Meh...

Pretty much a non-story, just like the 60 minutes coverage.

The story starts when they complete their flight BACK to the U.S.

Having just returned from an Ebola Hot Zone Country, will they CONTINUE to self-quarantine for the next 48 days?

Speaking of 48 days...

We've been tracking 357 people of those exposed by Criminal Dr. Craig Spencer for 21 days.

Now that they have passed the CDC recommended guidelines for Ebola exposure, which tracks 95% of the cases, will all efforts monitor them stop?

So, 5% of 357 is 17 people, it is not beyond statistical possibility that 17 of those tracked over the last 21 days, and it could be ANY set of 17 of the 357, could come down with the disease.

If those untracked 17 people infect 20 more each before they show undeniable symptoms, 340 new cases within the next 45 days, and we could have 357 new Ebola cases by Christmas...

Nice Christmas Present for U.S. Dr. Spencer.

P.S. Before you start in with the Smear and Jeer campaign, just a little hint.

In your Statistics Class, way back in middle school, remember that little thing the instructor kept saying over, and over and over..

"Dice don't have Eyes or Memories!"

I'll let you figure it out.

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Captain Obvious

11-11-2014, 09:09 PM

So here's a story I'm sure you Smug Liberals will like:

http://rt.com/usa/204523-logan-ebola-quarantine-africa/

But, in my opinion...

Meh...

Pretty much a non-story, just like the 60 minutes coverage.

The story starts when they complete their flight BACK to the U.S.

Having just returned from an Ebola Hot Zone Country, will they CONTINUE to self-quarantine for the next 48 days?

Speaking of 48 days...

We've been tracking 357 people of those exposed by Criminal Dr. Craig Spencer for 21 days.

Now that they have passed the CDC recommended guidelines for Ebola exposure, which tracks 95% of the cases, will all efforts monitor them stop?

So, 5% of 357 is 17 people, it is not beyond statistical possibility that 17 of those tracked over the last 21 days, and it could be ANY set of 17 of the 357, could come down with the disease.

If those untracked 17 people infect 20 more each before they show undeniable symptoms, 340 new cases within the next 45 days, and we could have 357 new Ebola cases by Christmas...

Nice Christmas Present for U.S. Dr. Spencer.

P.S. Before you start in with the Smear and Jeer campaign, just a little hint.

In your Statistics Class, way back in middle school, remember that little thing the instructor kept saying over, and over and over..

"Dice don't have Eyes or Memories!"

I'll let you figure it out.

-

Keep your fingers crossed and your Ann Coulter doll clutched tightly, maybe you'll get your Christmas wish with case #5 before year end.

Kurmugeon

11-11-2014, 09:11 PM

Keep your fingers crossed and your Ann Coulter doll clutched tightly, maybe you'll get your Christmas wish with case #5 before year end.

I see, so in your mind, the Ebola Epidemic is over is it?

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Max Rockatansky

11-11-2014, 09:13 PM

Keep your fingers crossed and your Ann Coulter doll clutched tightly, maybe you'll get your Christmas wish with case #5 before year end.

They make an Ann Coulter doll? Is she anatomically correct?

Captain Obvious

11-11-2014, 09:16 PM

They make an Ann Coulter doll? Is she anatomically correct?

Adams apple and all.

del

11-11-2014, 09:17 PM

Adams apple and all.

can you get the putin penis option or just regular?

Captain Obvious

11-11-2014, 09:17 PM

I see, so in your mind, the Ebola Epidemic is over is it?

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It would have to first begin there, Louie Pasteur.

Captain Obvious

11-11-2014, 09:18 PM

can you get the putin penis option or just regular?

That comes separately.

... wait

del

11-11-2014, 09:19 PM

That comes separately.

... wait

i'm sure it does, hell it probably has its own zip code

PolWatch

11-11-2014, 09:20 PM

y'all can laugh if ya want to...Kur-man has it on good authority (the Men in Black called him personally) that the Ebola monster is lurking, waiting to get us all! I have my duct tape ready & just filled my freezer with bread (sandwich anyone?)

Captain Obvious

11-11-2014, 09:21 PM

i'm sure it does, hell it probably has its own zip code

A plethora of puns.

Outstanding!

Max Rockatansky

11-11-2014, 09:21 PM

Adams apple and all.
can you get the putin penis option or just regular?
Despite the Left-Wing meme, I'm sure it has a normal vagina, but probably plastic tits.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6b/Ann_Coulter_by_Gage_Skidmore_3.jpg

Kurmugeon

11-11-2014, 09:23 PM

It would have to first begin there, Louie Pasteur.

So, go ahead and Declare it, I dare you state outright that the Ebola Epidemic is Over.

I wouldn't.... go ahead.

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Captain Obvious

11-11-2014, 09:24 PM

So, go ahead and Declare it, I dare you state outright that the Ebola Epidemic is Over.

I wouldn't.... go ahead.

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In Africa - clearly not.

In the US - it never existed.

Thanks for playing.

Max Rockatansky

11-11-2014, 09:27 PM

In Africa - clearly not.

In the US - it never existed.

Thanks for playing.Agreed. However the fear-mongers and the conspiracy theorists want to believe thousands of Americans are dying of Ebola in the FEMA camps.

Captain Obvious

11-11-2014, 09:29 PM

Agreed. However the fear-mongers and the conspiracy theorists want to believe thousands of Americans are dying of Ebola in the FEMA camps.

Yeah, it's not just kooky it's really dangerous because there's tons of drama fence sitters out there who listen to this bullshit.

PolWatch

11-11-2014, 09:31 PM

Despite the Left-Wing meme, I'm sure it has a normal vagina, but probably plastic tits.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6b/Ann_Coulter_by_Gage_Skidmore_3.jpg

with modern science, who knows? maybe she's ambidextrous or herma-whatever....something for everyone!

Captain Obvious

11-11-2014, 09:32 PM

with modern science, who knows? maybe she's ambidextrous or herma-whatever....something for everyone!

I'd hit that...

... with a bag of flour before running like hell.

:biglaugh:

Cigar

11-11-2014, 09:37 PM

Despite the Left-Wing meme, I'm sure it has a normal vagina, but probably plastic tits.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6b/Ann_Coulter_by_Gage_Skidmore_3.jpg

Turn out the lights, grab her ears ... and WhaLaa ... she's a Gorgeous Vivacious Blond again.

Captain Obvious

11-11-2014, 09:37 PM

Turn out the lights, grab her ears ... and WhaLaa ... she's a Gorgeous Vivacious Blond again.

Except for the extra pepperoni.

:biglaugh:

Kurmugeon

11-11-2014, 09:43 PM

You're all real funny guys... just hilarious...

And I'm sure you're real popular with the Ladies too.

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Max Rockatansky

11-11-2014, 09:44 PM

You're all real funny guys... just hilarious...

And I'm sure you're real popular with the Ladies too.

-As a matter of fact, I am popular with the Ladies. Must be because of my wit, my good looks and the fact I'm not a raving conspiracy nut.

Captain Obvious

11-11-2014, 09:44 PM

You're all real funny guys... just hilarious...

And I'm sure you're real popular with the Ladies too.

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For me - yep, but just one.

That's all that matters.

Captain Obvious

11-11-2014, 09:45 PM

As a matter of fact, I am popular with the Ladies. Must be because of my wit, my good looks and the fact I'm not a raving conspiracy nut.

And I hear you're hung like an Ann Coulter doll.

Max Rockatansky

11-11-2014, 09:45 PM

Turn out the lights, grab her ears ... and WhaLaa ... she's a Gorgeous Vivacious Blond again.

I'd do her with the lights on. She's not unattractive. Heck, if she was good enough for Bill Maher, why isn't she good enough for you?

Max Rockatansky

11-11-2014, 09:47 PM

And I hear you're hung like an Ann Coulter doll.

I hear you're hung like a Ken doll. http://imageshack.us/a/img21/2374/tgx.gif

Cigar

11-11-2014, 09:47 PM

You're all real funny guys... just hilarious...

And I'm sure you're real popular with the Ladies too.

-

In my House I'm the Da-Man ... who Cuts the Grass, takes out the Garbage and walks the Dog ... :laugh:

Cigar

11-11-2014, 09:48 PM

And I hear you're hung like an Ann Coulter doll.

How did Ann Coulter get in this Thread ... who's to blame?

PolWatch

11-11-2014, 09:49 PM

not me...but if I see anyone else in your yard, I'll call ya!

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Max Rockatansky

11-11-2014, 09:50 PM

How did Ann Coulter get in this Thread ... who's to blame?

It's Bush's fault! --- President Barack Obama, 2009-2014

PolWatch

11-11-2014, 09:51 PM

It's Bush's fault!

was that who I saw in the flight suit, clutching a banner?

Cigar

11-11-2014, 09:55 PM

was that who I saw in the flight suit, clutching a banner?

That's going to leave a deep cut ... :laugh:

Green Arrow

11-11-2014, 10:01 PM

You're all real funny guys... just hilarious...

And I'm sure you're real popular with the Ladies too.

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I'm popular with A lady, and she's the only lady that matters.

Kurmugeon

11-11-2014, 10:05 PM

For me - yep, but just one.

That's all that matters.

I have to wonder if she reads your remarks about other women?

If she's read your comments on this thread tonight, and you're not sleeping on the sofa, I'm sorry for you.

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Captain Obvious

11-11-2014, 10:05 PM

I have to wonder if she reads your remarks about other women?

If she's read your comments on this thread tonight, and you're not sleeping on the sofa, I'm sorry for you.

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She's looking over my shoulder now.

Say hi...

PolWatch

11-11-2014, 10:07 PM

hi Mrs Capt...just wanted to say its an honor to meet an American saint (ya gotta be, considering you let the capt live)

Captain Obvious

11-11-2014, 10:09 PM

hi Mrs Capt...just wanted to say its an honor to meet an American saint (ya gotta be, considering you let the capt live)

lol - I don't hide anything from her on the forum, she can log on and trace my posts if she really wanted to. She knew she was marrying an asshole from day one.

On a side note, the girls from accounting say that also - she should be cannonized a saint, for living in a camper and shitting in basically a bucket during the winter months.

I'm really lucky in a lot of ways.

Kurmugeon

11-11-2014, 10:13 PM

She's looking over my shoulder now.

Say hi...

Ya see, I've learned, with my Mom, my Wife, my Daughters, and my Grand Daughters, ...

When I treat them with the respect due an Intelligent Individual, with Thoughts, Ideas and Opinions worthy of my thoughtful consideration, and I don't look at them as nothing a Meat-Toy to satisfy my base animal needs...

I earn their respect, and in their insisting that I treat them so, they earn my respect in return.

A good arrangement all around I find.

Perhaps you should try it?

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Cigar

11-11-2014, 10:15 PM

I have to wonder if she reads your remarks about other women?

If she's read your comments on this thread tonight, and you're not sleeping on the sofa, I'm sorry for you.

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The Key to being sent to the Dog House ... is to build your own Dog House :grin:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b137/chasc5/photo3.jpg
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Captain Obvious

11-11-2014, 10:15 PM

Ya see, I've learned, with my Mom, my Wife, my Daughters, and my Grand Daughters, ...

When I treat them with the respect due an Intelligent Individual, with Thoughts, Ideas and Opinions worthy of my thoughtful consideration, and I don't look at them as nothing a Meat-Toy to satisfy my base animal needs...

I earn their respect, and in their insisting that I treat them so, they earn my respect in return.

A good arrangement all around I find.

Perhaps you should try it?

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"Meat toy"?

Your "base animal needs"?

Easy there big fella before you soil something.

:biglaugh:

Your capitalization of every other word is somewhat alarming.

PolWatch

11-11-2014, 10:15 PM

lol - I don't hide anything from her on the forum, she can log on and trace my posts if she really wanted to. She knew she was marrying an asshole from day one.

On a side note, the girls from accounting say that also - she should be cannonized a saint, for living in a camper and shitting in basically a bucket during the winter months.

I'm really lucky in a lot of ways.
http://www.directsmiley.com/cat/15/15_9_27.gif
diamonds...lots & lots of diamonds: a good start to show her your appreciation!

Captain Obvious

11-11-2014, 10:17 PM

http://www.directsmiley.com/cat/15/15_9_27.gif
diamonds...lots & lots of diamonds: a good start to show her your appreciation!

She's not a diamond gal, she likes little things.

...wait

:biglaugh:

PolWatch

11-11-2014, 10:18 PM

nice room Cigar! I'll be sure & keep my husband from seeing it! He's happy with a blacksmith shop in the backyard. He does have a wood burning heater & a comfy barber chair for his very own!

del

11-11-2014, 10:19 PM

You're all real funny guys... just hilarious...

And I'm sure you're real popular with the Ladies too.

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tissue?

Captain Obvious

11-11-2014, 10:19 PM

That's enough for me, I'm off to bed to play with my meat toy for a while.

:biglaugh:

del

11-11-2014, 10:21 PM

"Meat toy"?

Your "base animal needs"?

Easy there big fella before you soil something.

:biglaugh:

Your capitalization of every other word is somewhat alarming.

it's fairly typical of the poorly educated

Cigar

11-11-2014, 10:28 PM

nice room Cigar! I'll be sure & keep my husband from seeing it! He's happy with a blacksmith shop in the backyard. He does have a wood burning heater & a comfy barber chair for his very own!

The Basement is my Dog House, my office, my workout area and my lounge :grin:

Two floors away from my Wife's office :laugh:

PolWatch

11-11-2014, 10:29 PM

The Basement is my Dog House, my office, my workout area and my lounge :grin:

Two floors away from my Wife's office :laugh:

ah...another smart woman!

Max Rockatansky

11-11-2014, 10:29 PM

with modern science, who knows? maybe she's ambidextrous or herma-whatever....something for everyone!

She can shoot. If she also has a bass boat, that means she's a keeper in Texas!

http://www.mademan.com/chickipedia/uploaded_photos/b/bb/Ann_Coulter-lovely-soft-eyes-hot-before-sexy-chickipedia-stunning.jpg

PolWatch

11-11-2014, 10:30 PM

my husband's fav want ad: Wanted: Wife with boat...send picture of boat!

Kurmugeon

11-11-2014, 10:36 PM

it's fairly typical of the poorly educated

Really? My programing degree professors all insisted on InitCaps, because Variable names typed as numofnewcases is allot harder to read and comprehend than NumberOfNewCases.

And my Modern Communications class instructor emphasized developing your own style when blogging, and developing a means of Emphasizing words with both MAJOR and Minor means without going to the extreme of type shouting in

LARGE FONT BLOCK LETTERING

or resorting to the stupidity of all lower case text which is crammed together into a solid wall of text which blathers on and on without ever really getting to a point of logic or meaning before maundering on a solid wall of text with little in the way of punctuation, complete sentences or a paragraph structure designed to emphasis and separate the points being made into clear, delineated, double spaced lines of salient points of related datum with an outline form including bullet points when needed and appropriate graphics to break up, illustrate and demonstrate the desired concept and communicate with efficiency and flare deserving of the new tools given to us by the designers of the new forum communication technology

In Fact, my instructors were always rather impressed with my ability to make a clear, valid, point.

Maybe you need to review your own education a bit. Sometimes, it pays to brush up on the modern means of style and format geared toward an audience and the medium being used.

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Cigar

11-11-2014, 10:37 PM

I like this Sign

http://cdnpix.com/show/imgs/03466602e4b7342138b9bd8b6dd0aece.jpg

PolWatch

11-11-2014, 10:41 PM

hmm...Don't mess with PMS...you might survive a gunshot. I suffer from CMS (can't remember s**t_

del

11-11-2014, 10:53 PM

She can shoot. If she also has a bass boat, that means she's a keeper in Texas!

http://www.mademan.com/chickipedia/uploaded_photos/b/bb/Ann_Coulter-lovely-soft-eyes-hot-before-sexy-chickipedia-stunning.jpg

you misspelled he

Cigar

11-11-2014, 10:57 PM

you misspelled he

I'm sure she's receptive ... I'm just not sure where? :laugh:

del

11-11-2014, 10:57 PM

Really? My programing degree professors all insisted on InitCaps, because Variable names typed as numofnewcases is allot harder to read and comprehend than NumberOfNewCases.

And my Modern Communications class instructor emphasized developing your own style when blogging, and developing a means of Emphasizing words with both MAJOR and Minor means without going to the extreme of type shouting in

LARGE FONT BLOCK LETTERING

or resorting to the stupidity of all lower case text which is crammed together into a solid wall of text which blathers on and on without ever really getting to a point of logic or meaning before maundering on a solid wall of text with little in the way of punctuation, complete sentences or a paragraph structure designed to emphasis and separate the points being made into clear, delineated, double spaced lines of salient points of related datum with an outline form including bullet points when needed and appropriate graphics to break up, illustrate and demonstrate the desired concept and communicate with efficiency and flare deserving of the new tools given to us by the designers of the new forum communication technology

In Fact, my instructors were always rather impressed with my ability to make a clear, valid, point.

Maybe you need to review your own education a bit. Sometimes, it pays to brush up on the modern means of style and format geared toward an audience and the medium being used.

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i'm sure you're one of the finest students closecoverbeforestriking u. ever had the privilege to matriculate.

if i ever find myself in a position where i'm posting some of the dumbass crap you do, i'll consider your suggestion

Kurmugeon

11-12-2014, 04:13 AM

i'm sure you're one of the finest students closecoverbeforestriking u. ever had the privilege to matriculate.

if i ever find myself in a position where i'm posting some of the dumbass crap you do, i'll consider your suggestion

Hugh...

What a silly, bitter, ignorant little man.

Well, there's always hope that someday, it will shake of the indoctrination and grow beyond Liberalism, and become a real citizen.

We'll pray for you. I hope that knowledge doesn't worry at you too much.

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lynn

11-12-2014, 07:15 AM

I'm confused as to why she's complaining about the amount of money "at taxpayer's expense," considering she's been at the forefront of ebola hysteria. If we're at danger of an ebola epidemic, who cares how much we spend trying to halt it?

My initial fear was justified with all of the lies told by Obama and by belief that all governments have to work to reduce their populations before it doubles in 50 years. After observing the media acting as hound dogs sniffing out anything that has to do with Ebola, I realized that it would be very difficult for our government to allow Ebola to spread without the public pointed the finger directly at them to blame.

The only justification for decontamination of the dwellings of those infected with Ebola at the fever stage would be if the strain was airborne. The public panicked because what was being stated as fact about Ebola, their actions handling this contradicted their facts of transmission.

Captain Obvious

11-12-2014, 07:27 AM

Max Rockatansky

11-12-2014, 09:13 AM

Looks like Tom Petty
With tits and a nice ass.

Common Sense

11-12-2014, 09:26 AM

With tits and a nice ass.

...with an Adam's apple and a dick.

Max Rockatansky

11-12-2014, 09:38 AM

...with an Adam's apple and a dick.

Bill Maher knows for sure. Probably just a really big clit.

Captain Obvious

11-12-2014, 09:42 AM

Bill Maher knows for sure. Probably just a really big clit.

Yes he is.

Peter1469

11-12-2014, 09:53 AM

Warning: clean up the language. This isn't a man cave. We have women here.

Max Rockatansky

11-12-2014, 10:05 AM

Although all people have an adam's apple (laryngeal prominence), most women don't have one as prominent as a man's. Sandra Bullock (http://www.eforu.com/cards/pictures/sandrabullock/sb10.jpg) is another woman with a prominent adam's apple.

I have no doubt Ann Coulter is 100% female, but it does appear she had a boob job.

http://plasticsurgeryes.com/ann-coulter-plastic-surgery-before-and-after-photos/

http://plasticsurgeryfans.com/ann-coulter-before-and-after-plastic-surgery/

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Captain Obvious

11-12-2014, 10:06 AM

Max Rockatansky

11-12-2014, 10:08 AM

They look pretty good in that pic, much better than the ones in that Tom Petty photo.

And she's displaying them, notice that?

She's definitely proud of them. Most of her public appearances involve wearing a tight top.

sachem

11-12-2014, 11:20 AM

I thought I read something the other day that the US was currently Ebola free.

Max Rockatansky

11-12-2014, 12:31 PM

I thought I read something the other day that the US was currently Ebola free.It is, but the conspiracy theorists are claiming hundreds are dying in Obama's FEMA camps. Go figure.

Green Arrow

11-12-2014, 02:43 PM

My initial fear was justified with all of the lies told by Obama and by belief that all governments have to work to reduce their populations before it doubles in 50 years. After observing the media acting as hound dogs sniffing out anything that has to do with Ebola, I realized that it would be very difficult for our government to allow Ebola to spread without the public pointed the finger directly at them to blame.

The only justification for decontamination of the dwellings of those infected with Ebola at the fever stage would be if the strain was airborne. The public panicked because what was being stated as fact about Ebola, their actions handling this contradicted their facts of transmission.

Or, you know, they decontaminated the dwellings so that when people went into them, they wouldn't touch something that came in contact with the fluids of the infected and get infected themselves.

lynn

11-12-2014, 03:42 PM

The FDA plans on bring Africans with Ebola here to the U.S. for trials of new drugs to treat them.

lynn

11-12-2014, 03:43 PM

Or, you know, they decontaminated the dwellings so that when people went into them, they wouldn't touch something that came in contact with the fluids of the infected and get infected themselves.

The problem is there were no bodily fluids since these people were hospitalized as soon as they got a fever.

Green Arrow

11-12-2014, 04:39 PM

The problem is there were no bodily fluids since these people were hospitalized as soon as they got a fever.

It's somebody's house. There were bodily fluids.

Howey

11-12-2014, 07:00 PM

The FDA plans on bring Africans with Ebola here to the U.S. for trials of new drugs to treat them.

I think that's the third time I heard that absurd claim.

Can you back it up? Or are you intent on regurgitating random unfounded teabagger idiocy from your mouth?

Max Rockatansky

11-12-2014, 07:59 PM

The FDA plans on bring Africans with Ebola here to the U.S. for trials of new drugs to treat them.
Runnnnn!http://oi57.tinypic.com/1zovotf.jpg

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Kurmugeon

11-13-2014, 05:24 AM

The White House is telling all of U.S. to remain calm and take no action with respect to potential Ebola Infection.

The White House itself, and its staff, have shifted their mode of operations, schedule, public exposure, and safeguards into an official Ebola Crisis mode.

White House shifts into crisis mode on Ebola response | Reuters (http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/16/us-health-ebola-usa-politics-idUSKCN0I50AO20141016?feedType=RSS&feedName=politicsNews&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&dlvrit=574655)

White House shifts into crisis mode on Ebola response

By Roberta Rampton

WASHINGTON Thu Oct 16, 2014 2:41pm EDT

(Reuters) - Rising public anxiety about the Ebola virus has forced the White House to shift into crisis mode and cancel two days of planned political events as President Barack Obama strives to show he has control over stopping the spread of the deadly disease.

Just three weeks ahead of critical midterm elections, Obama is facing increased pressure from Republican critics. They say he has been too slow to protect Americans, drawing parallels to what they have described as foot-dragging on dealing with the threat from Islamic State militants in Iraq and Syria.

Democrats who are at risk of losing control of the Senate in the November elections are worried that public concerns over Obama's management of Ebola could hurt them, too.

Obama's job approval ratings are at 39 percent, according to Reuters-Ipsos polls in the first week of October.

"At a time in which his job approval rating is quite low and his party is suffering because of it, I think that this is just one more cut in what's turned out to be the death by a thousand cuts for President Obama," said Ross Baker, a political scientists at Rutgers.

Republican lawmakers, including U.S. House Speaker John Boehner, turned up the pressure on Wednesday with calls for travel bans for the three African nations afflicted by the Ebola outbreak.

Polls show that move would be popular with Americans. The White House has ruled out a ban, saying it would hamper the movement of supplies and aid workers needed to help stop the epidemic in the region.

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At the same time, radical Green groups are calling the Global Ebola Epidemic a "Solution to the Earth's Population Problems"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KV0RuXgx4ag

"The Four Horseman are required, but War, Famine will not do... , Disease is the most efficient and fastest way to reduce human population. ...The world WOULD be better off without as many people"

John Holdren, President Obama's science adviser has said similar things, but is even more violent and extremist in recommended actions.

John Holdren in his own (radical) words (http://www.cfact.org/2014/05/31/john-holdren-in-his-own-radical-words/)

Let's hope there is a DHS special unit keeping a very close eye on John Holdren.

The Obama White House Cannot, MUST NOT be Trusted!

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