Republican Mission Exposed: To Not Get Things Done

[TrueBlue]

Pew: Republicans Don't Really Care About "Getting Things Done" in Washington
http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2014/11/pew-republicans-dont-really-care-about-getting-things-done-washington

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That is a foregone conclusion and something that Republicans had been talking about long before the midterm elections. Their only goal, and this article exemplifies it brilliantly, is to continue to be obstructionists and continue with gridlock and deny President Obama any scoring points on anything even if it means that the American people have to suffer in the process.

[Captain Obvious]

Opinion piece from a radically liberal source.

Dismissed.

[Alyosha]

Yeh, too bad we can't get actual journalism anymore.

[GrassrootsConservative]

Sounds great to me, after seeing how badly the politicians in government can fuck up in the last few decades, and the current presidency should make anyone happier than a pig in shit to hear our government won't be meddling in our lives anymore. The left is an absolute sham and for anybody to think we need government to get things done is ridiculous. If you don't like something make a fucking change, but don't you try and get some empty suit to take my money and fix your problems.

[Captain Obvious]

Yeh, too bad we can't get actual journalism anymore.

Are you being sarcastic? I hope not.

This mother jones stuff is crap. Opinion articles are not journalism - two different things and I do really like objective arguments from all sides but this isn't it.

NPR runs a great political segment with commentaries from a liberal and a conservative that's usually pretty good since neither are bucket slogging partisans.

[Chris]

Still, the less done the better.

In fact, the more undone the better.

If only Reps would do that we'd have Happy Days Again!

[Cigar]

Republicans only have One Goal ... Erase the last 6 years off their record.

Sad ... because it's going to be on their record forever, no matter what they do.

[Cigar]

Still, the less done the better.

In fact, the more undone the better.

If only Reps would do that we'd have Happy Days Again!

I told you that yesterday ... glad you've publicly admitted it again.

Therefore we will not hear you complain ever again about Obama not getting things done.

Please continue ... Governor :grin:

[GrassrootsConservative]

Republicans only have One Goal ... Erase the last 6 years off their record.

Sad ... because it's going to be on their record forever, no matter what they do.

Not our record, your record. Get that straight. Not a single intelligent person voted for Obama, just Liberals, he's on YOUR record, leftie. Not mine. I said fuck him from the very start.

[Mac-7]

The voters rejected Obama and the dems.

whatever obumer is selling they don't want.

[Chris]

I told you that yesterday ... glad you've publicly admitted it again.

Therefore we will not hear you complain ever again about Obama not getting things done.

Please continue ... Governor :grin:

I'll complain about whoever's in office. I'm bipartisan.

[PolWatch]

I'll complain about whoever's in office. I'm bipartisan.

http://www.directsmiley.com/cat/36/36_1_55.gif

[Mac-7]

A majority of the voters don't like obamas policies.

the things he's getting done like amnesty through executive order they don't want.

the things they do want - like the Keystone Pipeline - he's not doing.

[Cigar]

I'll complain about whoever's in office. I'm bipartisan.

Not a problem, but I want you to own it when you say Obama isn't doing anything, because that's what YOU want :wink:

[Cigar]

A majority of the voters don't like obamas policies.

the things he's getting done like amnesty through executive order they don't want.

the things they do want - like the Keystone Pipeline - he's not doing.

The majority of the voters want Firearm Background Checks :rollseyes:

[Chris]

Not a problem, but I want you to own it when you say Obama isn't doing anything, because that's what YOU want :wink:

Executive orders?

[momsapplepie]

The majority of the voters want Firearm Background Checks :rollseyes:

There already are firearm background checks. Oh unless you're a criminal or a Mexican drug dealer. Then the obumbles administration says go right ahead!

[Peter1469]

Get it done..., regardless with how stupid and harmful it is.

Go Obama.

[PolWatch]

Get it done..., regardless with how stupid and harmful it is.

Go Obama.

uh...how 'bout "get it dun repub majority...regardless......" diff?

[TrueBlue]

the things he's getting done like amnesty through executive order they don't want.

Then why don't the Republicans get off their ass and enact a new **Immigration Reform** law? They've had forever to work on that yet have not brought one single thing to the table. The president has repeatedly said that if they did just that and offered a viable plan that he could sign, then his executive order would go away just like that. But do the Republicans do it? Do they WANT to enact Immigration Reform? Quite obviously not. Thus, the president has to use his constitutional power to get things done. So no more whining. End of story.

[Venus]

I'll complain about whoever's in office. I'm bipartisan.


Equal opportunity complainer.

[Mac-7]

Equal opportunity complainer.

He doesn't vote so complaining is the only option open for him.

[Captain Obvious]

He doesn't vote so complaining is the only option open for him.

http://data3.whicdn.com/images/56206336/large.gif

[Chris]

He doesn't vote so complaining is the only option open for him.

Your vote doesn't count, in fact supports and sanctions the system that gave us Bush and Obama. Thank you, mac.

[Calypso Jones]

If Repubs do nothing more than stop this Marxist bastard from destroying our security and sovereignty and the nation in particular, I'll consider it a success.

[Calypso Jones]

seriously? bastrid is blocked??

[nathanbforrest45]

Republicans only have One Goal ... Erase the last 6 years off their record.

Sad ... because it's going to be on their record forever, no matter what they do.


Elections have consequences and we won this one.

[Captain Obvious]

seriously? bastrid is blocked??

Just for those with an IQ of 75 or less.

[Mac-7]

Elections have consequences and we won this one.

The total incompetence of Obama finally caught up with him.

[nathanbforrest45]

Then why don't the Republicans get off their ass and enact a new **Immigration Reform** law? They've had forever to work on that yet have not brought one single thing to the table. The president has repeatedly said that if they did just that and offered a viable plan that he could sign, then his executive order would go away just like that. But do the Republicans do it? Do they WANT to enact Immigration Reform? Quite obviously not. Thus, the president has to use his constitutional power to get things done. So no more whining. End of story.


What Constitutional Power grants the president the right to bypass the Congress in establishing laws? Do you think the Congress is superfluous?

[Cigar]

Not our record, your record. Get that straight. Not a single intelligent person voted for Obama, just Liberals, he's on YOUR record, leftie. Not mine. I said $#@! him from the very start.

The Democrats didn't loose to Elections from 2008 to 2012 by 9.5 and 5 Million Votes ... :laugh:

Yes ... it was The Republicans who has that Black Mark :laugh:

[momsapplepie]

"two times, two times" "SQUAWK!"

[iustitia]

"Getting things done" = Passing bullshit laws that only progressives want

"Comprehensive immigration reform" = Amnesty for illegal aliens

"Marriage Equality" = Redefining marriage through the barrel of a gun

"Reproductive freedom" = Taxpayer-funded contraception and baby killing

This is an age of Newspeak.

[TrueBlue]

What Constitutional Power grants the president the right to bypass the Congress in establishing laws? Do you think the Congress is superfluous?

Congress serves its intended purpose but the U.S. Constitution gives the president the power to issue Executive Orders.
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http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/executive_power


"The president:

. can issue executive orders, which have the force of law but do not have to be approved by congress."

Also, see the short section entitled "Executive Orders" in the aforementioned scholarly website.

[iustitia]

Congress serves its intended purpose but the U.S. Constitution gives the president the power to issue Executive Orders.
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http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/executive_power


Also, see the short section entitled "Executive Orders" in the aforementioned scholarly website.

LOL

Be honest, did you Google that link and then post it hoping nobody would actually read it?

From your link-



Executive Orders

In times of emergency, the president can override congress and issue executive orders with almost limitless power. Abraham Lincoln used an executive order in order to fight the Civil War, Woodrow Wilson issued one in order to arm the United States just before it entered World War I, and Franklin Roosevelt approved Japanese internment camps during World War II with an executive order. Many other executive orders are on file and could be enacted at any time.


Yeah, no. Not only does your bull link not provide an actual constitutional justification for the above instances, it lists blatantly unjust and illegal orders like concentration camps and warring on our own people. No, just no.

Give me an article and section granting the President the power to "override congress and issue executive orders with almost limitless power". If you can't (hint: you can't) it's because it doesn't exist. Nice try. It would behoove fascists to actually read the Constitution for a change.

[Alyosha]

"Getting things done" = Passing bullshit laws that only progressives want.

Pretty much.

[Alyosha]

Congress serves its intended purpose but the U.S. Constitution gives the president the power to issue Executive Orders.
===============================================

http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/executive_power


Also, see the short section entitled "Executive Orders" in the aforementioned scholarly website.

They were a taken power that hasn't been challenged, but it is not Constitutional.

[iustitia]

They were a taken power that hasn't been challenged, but it is not Constitutional.
Exactly. The argument that these are constitutional powers isn't based on what the Constitution actually says but on historical precedent of presidents that didn't give two shits about the Constitution. This is the kind of argument Jillian would make about judicial activism. The Constitution defined by precedent, not its actual meaning.

Future tyrants can rest easy knowing that giving guns to drug cartels, massive spying on Americans and killing without trials is totes cool because our boy O set precedent making it legal.

[Mac-7]

Congress serves its intended purpose but the U.S. Constitution gives the president the power to issue Executive Orders.
===============================================

http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/executive_power


Also, see the short section entitled "Executive Orders" in the aforementioned scholarly website.

What you offered is a " summary" not the actual clause of the Constitution that makes Obama a dictator on par with hitler or Stalin.

[Common Sense]

Well this is a list of the number of EO's by president...

They all have done it.

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/data/orders.php

Some presidents use them more than others.

[Common Sense]

What you offered is a " summary" not the actual clause of the Constitution that makes Obama a dictator on par with hitler or Stalin.

...and every other president as well. Yikes.

[Mac-7]

...and every other president as well. Yikes.

I don't think Obama has the absolute dictatorial power that this lib "summary" claims he has.

[Alyosha]

...and every other president as well. Yikes.

Yes, yikes indeed. So we should just give in because it's happened before. That's certainly the attitude of slaves, not the attitude of free people.

[iustitia]

Yes, yikes indeed. So we should just give in because it's happened before. That's certainly the attitude of slaves, not the attitude of free people.

To be fair...

Washington: 8
FDR: 3,522

[Alyosha]

Exactly. The argument that these are constitutional powers isn't based on what the Constitution actually says but on historical precedent of presidents that didn't give two shits about the Constitution. This is the kind of argument Jillian would make about judicial activism. The Constitution defined by precedent, not its actual meaning.

Future tyrants can rest easy knowing that giving guns to drug cartels, massive spying on Americans and killing without trials is totes cool because our boy O set precedent making it legal.

Yes because Bush! When the asteroid hits, Bush!

[Common Sense]

Yes, yikes indeed. So we should just give in because it's happened before. That's certainly the attitude of slaves, not the attitude of free people.

Every single president has done it. It's not just that it's happened before. In fact, Obama has used it less than his recent predecessors.

[nic34]

What most Americans support:

#1 Minimum Wage
A Hart Research poll (http://www.nelp.org/page/-/rtmw/uploads/Memo-Public-Support-Raising-Minimum-Wage.pdf?nocdn=1) found that Americans support the progressive bill in Congress—an increase to $10.10—by a margin of 80-20%. Even Republicans favor the increase by a margin of nearly 2-to-1.


#2 ObamaCare
The fact is, only about 36 percent of voters want to repeal the law, according to a Hart Research poll (http://aufc.3cdn.net/a2cc07ca8baa3101d5_l6m6ivyzk.pdf). That’s just the conservative base, people who will never vote for the progressive. Similarly, a CNN poll shows that 43 percent of Americans support the ACA, 35 percent oppose it because it’s too liberal, while 16 percent oppose it because it isn’t liberal enough. To understand the effect of this law on future elections, one must recognize that the leftists who say they oppose the ACA are not going to use that as a reason to support conservative candidates.


#3 Tax loopholes for the rich
What’s happening is that, when it comes to taxes, persuadable voters now think that conservatives are looking out for the interests of the rich, not the middle class. About two-thirds of Americans (http://www.pollingreport.com/budget.htm) think that both “upper-income people” and “corporations” are paying too little in taxes. Two-thirds favor (http://www.nationaljournal.com/domesticpolicy/poll-on-fiscal-cliff-shows-support-for-obama-tax-hike-on-rich-20121206) increasing taxes on households earning over $250,000 a year.


#4 LGBT Rights
By a margin of about 55 to 40 percent (http://www.pollingreport.com/civil.htm), Americans now favor same-sex marriage. This margin will grow, and quickly, because Americans between the ages of 18 and 29 favor marriage equality by a margin of 73 to 21. At this point voters, by strong margins, oppose discrimination (http://www.freedomtowork.org/?page_id=39) against gays and lesbians.


#5 Immigrants’ Rights
In a CBS poll (http://www.pollingreport.com/immigration.htm), 78 percent favored and only 20 percent opposed “providing a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants in the U.S. if they met certain requirements including a waiting period, paying fines and back taxes, passing criminal background checks, and learning English." A Quinnipiac University poll (http://www.pollingreport.com/immigration.htm) found that Americans favor the Senate immigration reform bill by a margin of more than 2 to 1. And the same poll found that only 28 percent—just the conservative base—thinks that “illegal immigrants who are currently living in the United States…should be required to leave the U.S."

http://www.publicleadershipinstitute.org/wedge_issues

[Cigar]

Well this is a list of the number of EO's by president...

They all have done it.

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/data/orders.php

Some presidents use them more than others.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-26VTUQfRSfo/UuqxVyS9IsI/AAAAAAAATW8/0TmV4HWNnRM/s1600/exec-order.jpg

[nic34]

This too:

Ninety-two percent of voters, including 92 percent of gun owners and 86 percent of Republicans, support background checks prior to all gun sales, according to a new poll (http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-events/quinnipiac-university-poll/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2057) from Quinnipiac University.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/211321-poll-most-gun-owners-support-universal-background-checks


Keep in mind, the politicians that are elected in popularity contests do not reflect the will of the American people with regards to individual issues.

[Chris]

What most Americans support:

#1 Minimum Wage
A Hart Research poll (http://www.nelp.org/page/-/rtmw/uploads/Memo-Public-Support-Raising-Minimum-Wage.pdf?nocdn=1) found that Americans support the progressive bill in Congress—an increase to $10.10—by a margin of 80-20%. Even Republicans favor the increase by a margin of nearly 2-to-1.


#2 ObamaCare
The fact is, only about 36 percent of voters want to repeal the law, according to a Hart Research poll (http://aufc.3cdn.net/a2cc07ca8baa3101d5_l6m6ivyzk.pdf). That’s just the conservative base, people who will never vote for the progressive. Similarly, a CNN poll shows that 43 percent of Americans support the ACA, 35 percent oppose it because it’s too liberal, while 16 percent oppose it because it isn’t liberal enough. To understand the effect of this law on future elections, one must recognize that the leftists who say they oppose the ACA are not going to use that as a reason to support conservative candidates.


#3 Tax loopholes for the rich
What’s happening is that, when it comes to taxes, persuadable voters now think that conservatives are looking out for the interests of the rich, not the middle class. About two-thirds of Americans (http://www.pollingreport.com/budget.htm) think that both “upper-income people” and “corporations” are paying too little in taxes. Two-thirds favor (http://www.nationaljournal.com/domesticpolicy/poll-on-fiscal-cliff-shows-support-for-obama-tax-hike-on-rich-20121206) increasing taxes on households earning over $250,000 a year.


#4 LGBT Rights
By a margin of about 55 to 40 percent (http://www.pollingreport.com/civil.htm), Americans now favor same-sex marriage. This margin will grow, and quickly, because Americans between the ages of 18 and 29 favor marriage equality by a margin of 73 to 21. At this point voters, by strong margins, oppose discrimination (http://www.freedomtowork.org/?page_id=39) against gays and lesbians.


#5 Immigrants’ Rights
In a CBS poll (http://www.pollingreport.com/immigration.htm), 78 percent favored and only 20 percent opposed “providing a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants in the U.S. if they met certain requirements including a waiting period, paying fines and back taxes, passing criminal background checks, and learning English." A Quinnipiac University poll (http://www.pollingreport.com/immigration.htm) found that Americans favor the Senate immigration reform bill by a margin of more than 2 to 1. And the same poll found that only 28 percent—just the conservative base—thinks that “illegal immigrants who are currently living in the United States…should be required to leave the U.S."

http://www.publicleadershipinstitute.org/wedge_issues




And what's the Constitution support?

[Mac-7]

What most Americans support:

#1 Minimum Wage
A Hart Research poll (http://www.nelp.org/page/-/rtmw/uploads/Memo-Public-Support-Raising-Minimum-Wage.pdf?nocdn=1) found that Americans support the progressive bill in Congress—an increase to $10.10—by a margin of 80-20%. Even Republicans favor the increase by a margin of nearly 2-to-1.


#2 ObamaCare
The fact is, only about 36 percent of voters want to repeal the law, according to a Hart Research poll (http://aufc.3cdn.net/a2cc07ca8baa3101d5_l6m6ivyzk.pdf). That’s just the conservative base, people who will never vote for the progressive. Similarly, a CNN poll shows that 43 percent of Americans support the ACA, 35 percent oppose it because it’s too liberal, while 16 percent oppose it because it isn’t liberal enough. To understand the effect of this law on future elections, one must recognize that the leftists who say they oppose the ACA are not going to use that as a reason to support conservative candidates.


#3 Tax loopholes for the rich
What’s happening is that, when it comes to taxes, persuadable voters now think that conservatives are looking out for the interests of the rich, not the middle class. About two-thirds of Americans (http://www.pollingreport.com/budget.htm) think that both “upper-income people” and “corporations” are paying too little in taxes. Two-thirds favor (http://www.nationaljournal.com/domesticpolicy/poll-on-fiscal-cliff-shows-support-for-obama-tax-hike-on-rich-20121206) increasing taxes on households earning over $250,000 a year.


#4 LGBT Rights
By a margin of about 55 to 40 percent (http://www.pollingreport.com/civil.htm), Americans now favor same-sex marriage. This margin will grow, and quickly, because Americans between the ages of 18 and 29 favor marriage equality by a margin of 73 to 21. At this point voters, by strong margins, oppose discrimination (http://www.freedomtowork.org/?page_id=39) against gays and lesbians.


#5 Immigrants’ Rights
In a CBS poll (http://www.pollingreport.com/immigration.htm), 78 percent favored and only 20 percent opposed “providing a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants in the U.S. if they met certain requirements including a waiting period, paying fines and back taxes, passing criminal background checks, and learning English." A Quinnipiac University poll (http://www.pollingreport.com/immigration.htm) found that Americans favor the Senate immigration reform bill by a margin of more than 2 to 1. And the same poll found that only 28 percent—just the conservative base—thinks that “illegal immigrants who are currently living in the United States…should be required to leave the U.S."

http://www.publicleadershipinstitute.org/wedge_issues

Beware of lib polls that are designed to influence public opinion.

on amnesty for instance Republicans and dems both know that most voters are against it and are afraid to get on the wrong side of the issue.

[Alyosha]

Every single president has done it. It's not just that it's happened before. In fact, Obama has used it less than his recent predecessors.
@Common Sense (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1085)

people have beaten their wives before. If some guy beats his less is he awesome or something? I don't care who used them before. I feel the same about them. Congress has the power to create law, not the president. An executive order in the past was used to give directions to the underlings in how to implement the laws or administrate resources. It was not to be used to rewrite laws or wiggle around them.

Now obviously you either mistake me for someone who neglected to complain about Bush back once upon a time when he was actually president, so let me educate you on the subject. I said the same then. To clarify further I didn't like or vote for Romney, so in other words, you can stop using tired old justifications on me that might shame the folks who didn't care when Bush did it.

So back to the current president and his current abuse of power and how it is to give himself a legacy and start a partisan war for show because the reality is that I'd this goes through the underground economy propping up the US, Mexico, and to a degree your country will collapse as they have to get real jobs and become taxed and as we spend billions to implement this we will see things get worse and worse.

[Alyosha]

This too:

Ninety-two percent of voters, including 92 percent of gun owners and 86 percent of Republicans, support background checks prior to all gun sales, according to a new poll (http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-events/quinnipiac-university-poll/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2057) from Quinnipiac University.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/211321-poll-most-gun-owners-support-universal-background-checks


Keep in mind, the politicians that are elected in popularity contests do not reflect the will of the American people with regards to individual issues.

Keep in mind that how we ask the questions and who we ask determines the poll outcomes.

[Common Sense]

@Common Sense (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1085)

people have beaten their wives before. If some guy beats his less is he awesome or something? I don't care who used them before. I feel the same about them. Congress has the power to create law, not the president. An executive order in the past was used to give directions to the underlings in how to implement the laws or administrate resources. It was not to be used to rewrite laws or wiggle around them.

Now obviously you either mistake me for someone who neglected to complain about Bush back once upon a time when he was actually president, so let me educate you on the subject. I said the same then. To clarify further I didn't like or vote for Romney, so in other words, you can stop using tired old justifications on me that might shame the folks who didn't care when Bush did it.

So back to the current president and his current abuse of power and how it is to give himself a legacy and start a partisan war for show because the reality is that I'd this goes through the underground economy propping up the US, Mexico, and to a degree your country will collapse as they have to get real jobs and become taxed and as we spend billions to implement this we will see things get worse and worse.

You know the law and the effect that precedents set...

Your last paragraph is opinion and not fact.

[undine]

Opinion piece from a radically liberal source.

Dismissed.
it was a poll

[Captain Obvious]

it was a poll

Awesome...

[Venus]

it was a poll

For radical liberals

Be honest, how much weight do you give Fox News polls?

[Mac-7]

Awesome...

No one trusts libs.

so your phony polls are meaningless.

[undine]

For radical liberals

Be honest, how much weight do you give Fox News polls?Last time I checked PEW wasn't a poll for radical liberals.

[Captain Obvious]

No one trusts libs.

so your phony polls are meaningless.

Are you high, or just stupid?

...or both?

Let's make it simple and just go with both, ok?

[Mac-7]

Last time I checked PEW wasn't a poll for radical liberals.

They are libs.

[Alyosha]

You know the law and the effect that precedents set...

I don't care? The point is not whether or not you can get around something but what here you should. At any time we can say stop.




Your last paragraph is opinion and not fact.

Fact is that economists at Bloomberg, Forbes, and The Wall St journal have covered that our underground economy has been what kept us afloat the last few years. I've posted this repeatedly and there is a whole thread on it by me before you ask for links. Need the thread. Princeton says that economy is about three trillion dollars each years.

GAO estimates we have 40 million illegals. Businesses depend on them for labor and purchase. Now, tax them. Implement these changes and they will hire less, fewer people will have money...it's not hard to figure out what happens then.

Opinion, yes. What is this forum but opinions? My opinion is based not on sentimentalism but hard facts about money and business owners. As usual to do something that feels good we will hurt those same people and others with them.

slow and steady wins, rushed always ends up with high costs and unintended consequences. Iraq or Obamacare anyone?

[Mac-7]

Are you high, or just stupid?

...or both?

Let's make it simple and just go with both, ok?


Libs have no valid arguments so they have to get personal.

[iustitia]

Libs have no valid arguments so they have to get personal.

He's not a 'lib', you quoted the wrong person. I'm in agreement that you're likely a combination of high and unintelligent.

[Common Sense]

Libs have no valid arguments so they have to get personal.

...and yet all you do is cry about how horrible "libs" are.

You're oblivious to your own hypocrisy and idiocy.

[undine]

They are libs.Oh, of course! Nonpartisan research organizations are always libs.

[Captain Obvious]

...and yet all you do is cry about how horrible "libs" are.

You're oblivious to your own hypocrisy and idiocy.

lol - I was going to point that out.

I'm slamming the "poll" and this twerp is lumping me in with the issue.

Waste of time tough, he's like a bad itch. The more you itch it the worse it gets.

[Mac-7]

He's not a 'lib', you quoted the wrong person. I'm in agreement that you're likely a combination of high and unintelligent.

Captain Crunch, err Captain Comic Book, no I mean Captain Obvious?

He's a lib.

Either a liberal, a libertarian, or a libertine.

[Common Sense]

Captain Crunch, err Captain Comic Book, no I mean Captain Obvious?

He's a lib.

Either a liberal, a libertarian, or a libertine.

Clueless only begins to describe you.

[Alyosha]

...and yet all you do is cry about how horrible "libs" are.

You're oblivious to your own hypocrisy and idiocy.

I thought you were fine with people doing something if other people did it, before them. If conservatives are called horrible, then libs can be called that, right?

Or maybe just because someone did something before doesn't mean you can do it, too...?

[Venus]

I thought you were fine with people doing something if other people did it, before them. If conservatives are called horrible, then libs can be called that, right?

Or maybe just because someone did something before doesn't mean you can do it, too...?

No it's, do as I say not as I do.

[texan]

Move along nothing to see here.

[Mac-7]

Clueless only begins to describe you.

Thats all you clowns know how to do is attempt personal insults.

you have such a narrow point of view that you can't tolerate different opinions.

moron doesn't begin to describe you.

[PolWatch]

Captain Crunch, err Captain Comic Book, no I mean Captain Obvious?

He's a lib.

Either a liberal, a libertarian, or a libertine.

'Libs have no valid arguments so they have to get personal. '

whodathunkit? mac is a lib....amazing

[Mac-7]

'Libs have no valid arguments so they have to get personal. '

whodathunkit? mac is a lib....amazing

If you go back and check you'll find they I am on topic till libs take it personal.

[PolWatch]

does 'they done it first' keep you outta the lib camp?

[Cigar]

If you go back and check you'll find they I am on topic till libs take it personal.

Mac Mac Mac ... you Lie

[Mac-7]

Then why don't the Republicans get off their ass and enact a new **Immigration Reform** law? They've had forever to work on that yet have not brought one single thing to the table. The president has repeatedly said that if they did just that and offered a viable plan that he could sign, then his executive order would go away just like that. But do the Republicans do it? Do they WANT to enact Immigration Reform? Quite obviously not. Thus, the president has to use his constitutional power to get things done. So no more whining. End of story.

That depends on your idea of reform.

We want to close the border, repeal the family unification loophole, the unaccompanied child scam, strengthen e-verify, and streamline the deportation process.

And no amnesty for anyone before those reforms are passed.

[texan]

Oh and guess what? They don't want a democrat elected....whoa! Another Shocker.............

[Mac-7]

does 'they done it first' keep you outta the lib camp?

Yes, because I don't believe in turning the other cheek when libs are involved.

[TrueBlue]

LOL

Be honest, did you Google that link and then post it hoping nobody would actually read it?

From your link-



Yeah, no. Not only does your bull link not provide an actual constitutional justification for the above instances, it lists blatantly unjust and illegal orders like concentration camps and warring on our own people. No, just no.

Give me an article and section granting the President the power to "override congress and issue executive orders with almost limitless power". If you can't (hint: you can't) it's because it doesn't exist. Nice try. It would behoove fascists to actually read the Constitution for a change.
Your skepticism defies description. However, you need to know that Cornell University is a most prestigious and leading university in the United States with many scholars who are part of its faculty. There can be little doubt that they would be more than happy to provide you and other skeptics with further information about the constitutional powers of the president of the United States.

You may feel free to contact the University President with your inquiry and I, for one, would be most interested in knowing what his reply is. If you don't contact him then obviously you're just a mass of hot air and nothing more which is what I strongly suspect to be the case.

http://president.cornell.edu/contact.cfm

[Alyosha]

Your skepticism defies description. However, you need to know that Cornell University is a most prestigious and leading university in the United States with many scholars who are part of its faculty. There can be little doubt that they would be more than happy to provide you and other skeptics with further information about the constitutional powers of the president of the United States.

You may feel free to contact the University President with your inquiry and I, for one, would be most interested in knowing what his reply is. If you don't contact him then obviously you're just a mass of hot air and nothing more which is what I strongly suspect to be the case.

http://president.cornell.edu/contact.cfm

You'll note Cornell cites the Constitution when something is Constitutional and/ or cite case law. It stated precedence, not law.

[TrueBlue]

You'll note Cornell cites the Constitution when something is Constitutional and/ or cite case law. It stated precedence, not law.
And since you too are a skeptic you may feel free to contact the president with all of your questions as well. And don't forget to let me know what he says. :)

[Alyosha]

And since you too are a skeptic you may feel free to contact the president with all of your questions as well. And don't forget to let me know what he says. :)

Im not a skeptic, I'm explaining to you how legal websites work. If this was a Constitutionally guaranteed power it would have said so, or if it was supported by case law.

You're welcome.

[iustitia]

Statists are cultists. "You don't like my answers because you just don't get it. Here's some literature."

[Bob]

Republicans only have One Goal ... Erase the last 6 years off their record.

Sad ... because it's going to be on their record forever, no matter what they do.

You really in love with all those huge numbers of rooms filled with laws and regulations since your bro showed up?

Come on, he is not helping blacks.

[Bob]

Yes because Bush! When the asteroid hits, Bush!

It pains me when people toss out Bush when they never paid any attention to his signing orders.

If Bush was remotely the dictator Obama is, Bush would have fixed FNMA and the crash would not have taken place.

[Blackrook]

Liberals have always hated the U.S. Constitution and they admire Obama for ignoring it. They want our country to be a third-world dictatorship, and if Obama declared himself President-for-Life, liberals would celebrate with street demonstrations.

I think the only thing preserving us from that happening now is that the military would oppose Obama if he did that.

[iustitia]

Your skepticism defies description. However, you need to know that Cornell University is a most prestigious and leading university in the United States with many scholars who are part of its faculty. There can be little doubt that they would be more than happy to provide you and other skeptics with further information about the constitutional powers of the president of the United States.

You may feel free to contact the University President with your inquiry and I, for one, would be most interested in knowing what his reply is. If you don't contact him then obviously you're just a mass of hot air and nothing more which is what I strongly suspect to be the case.

http://president.cornell.edu/contact.cfm
Your faith is commendable, o worthy child the state temple. However, you need to know that the Constitution is a contractual document whose words and stipulations don't change in meaning but for true amendment. It was written by mystical sages known as Framers who descended from the numbers of those called Founders. Behold, for their faculty were wiser than any scholar of this age, and they know the true meaning of their documents more than any.

I'm sending you on a journey to learn their ways and their wisdom. There can be little doubt that they would be more than happy to provide you with further information about the wholly constitutional holy powers of the president of the United States.

Be warned, for such a quest requires attention to detail, critical thinking, context, and patience. To fully grasp the Constitution's full spectrum of wisdom and might you must recite the oath of truth known as the Preamble. There follows then seven direction tablets of just rule in the Hall of Articles. And finally you will stumble upon the Chamber of Commandments. The first ten commandments are limitations of the evils of men. The next seventeen are a mixture of good, bad and neutral commandments. Four of which are especially evil. Don't be tainted by them.

Finally, once you mastered the Constitution in both its original and amended form, you will find that which has been held securely in the Chamber of the Redacted- The imperial presidency, abortion rights, central banking and buttsex with animals.

One of your faith can surely find them here-

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.html

Go, noble voyager, retrieve the scrolls and return them to the priests so that they might share their wisdom for posterity. Indeed... verily and whatnot.

[Mac-7]

Your skepticism defies description. However, you need to know that Cornell University is a most prestigious and leading university in the United States with many scholars who are part of its faculty. There can be little doubt that they would be more than happy to provide you and other skeptics with further information about the constitutional powers of the president of the United States.

You may feel free to contact the University President with your inquiry and I, for one, would be most interested in knowing what his reply is. If you don't contact him then obviously you're just a mass of hot air and nothing more which is what I strongly suspect to be the case.

http://president.cornell.edu/contact.cfm

Many people no longer trust the elite lib professors.

I assume they are lying to us the way the MIT professor lied about ObamaCare to get it passed.

[Chris]

Many people no longer trust the elite lib professors.

I assume they are lying to us the way the MIT professor lied about ObamaCare to get it passed.

Most people distrust government, the government you and trueblue support.

[Mac-7]

Most people distrust government, the government you and trueblue support.

I don't like government either most of the time.

But your tactic of holding your breath till you get your way is not working either

[iustitia]

I don't like government either most of the time.

But your tactic of holding your breath till you get your way is not working either
Because voting fixes everything.

[Mac-7]

Because voting fixes everything.

Obviously not.

Only some of the time.

but not voting NEVER fixes anything.

although since we are talking about Chris I'm happy that he does not vote.

[iustitia]

What does voting fix?

[Mac-7]

What does voting fix?

If by "fix" you mean nirvana for the rest of time I can say that voting never does that.

But changing bad policy or bad leadership?

Yes it does.

The 2014 election for instance will be remembered as the repudiation of Obama, democrats, big government and liberalism in general.

[Chris]

I don't like government either most of the time.

But your tactic of holding your breath till you get your way is not working either

You vote, you therefore support and sanction the state.

I don't want my way, I want liberty for all to pursue happiness as they see fit.

You already knew this but chose to lie again.

[Chris]

Obviously not.

Only some of the time.

but not voting NEVER fixes anything.

although since we are talking about Chris I'm happy that he does not vote.

Actually, mac, we are talking about you. You think voting is meaningful, that it can fix things. But what does it try to fix but what it breaks, it being the state you support and sanction by voting,

[Mac-7]

You vote, you therefore support and sanction the state.

.

I do, because it's the only state we have.

but believe me, I consider it a stroke of luck that you don't vote.

[Alyosha]

I don't like government either most of the time.

But your tactic of holding your breath till you get your way is not working either

It is working because more and more people are waking up.

[Mac-7]

It is working because more and more people are waking up.

Dropping out you mean since they are proud non voters.

and non voters is what I want them to be.

[Green Arrow]

I don't care about getting things done in Washington, either, and I'm not a Republican. At this point, I just want to get things done in Nashville.

[PolWatch]

'Go, noble voyager, retrieve the scrolls and return them to the priests so that they might share their wisdom for posterity. Indeed... verily and whatnot.'

thanx...you made my day!

[Professor Peabody]

Then why don't the Republicans get off their ass and enact a new **Immigration Reform** law? They've had forever to work on that yet have not brought one single thing to the table. The president has repeatedly said that if they did just that and offered a viable plan that he could sign, then his executive order would go away just like that. But do the Republicans do it? Do they WANT to enact Immigration Reform? Quite obviously not. Thus, the president has to use his constitutional power to get things done. So no more whining. End of story.

We don't need one. We have plenty of Immigration laws on the books, we need Immigration ENFORCEMENT Reform.