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momsapplepie
11-13-2014, 05:18 PM
Congressional Revocation and Alteration of Executive Orders (How to Kill the Amnesty EO) (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3226709/posts)
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Cigar
11-13-2014, 05:20 PM
:grin:

momsapplepie
11-13-2014, 05:29 PM
:wink:

Cigar
11-13-2014, 05:43 PM
:wink:

Republican Presidents; Ronald Reagan and Both George Bush's sighed Executive Orders on Immigration

This is NOT Amnesty

So Stop Crying ... if The GOP is going to Impeach Obama, I say bring it.

momsapplepie
11-13-2014, 05:46 PM
Congress agreed with Reagan and Bush. They don't agree with Obama. Obama has proven to be a lousy dancer/partner, and Congress is tired of getting their toes stepped on by a wanna be dictator. If Obumbles tries to pass immigration reform without congress, they're going to shred his eo to pieces with this.

momsapplepie
11-13-2014, 05:47 PM
:grin:

del
11-13-2014, 05:50 PM
if they thought they could kill it, they wouldn't be whining about it so much

PolWatch
11-13-2014, 05:51 PM
prediction: lots of screaming, finger pointing in the future...result: same ole, same ole...00

nic34
11-13-2014, 05:54 PM
Republican Presidents; Ronald Reagan and Both George Bush's sighed Executive Orders on Immigration

This is NOT Amnesty

So Stop Crying ... if The GOP is going to Impeach Obama, I say bring it.

It's Obama derangement as usual....

Howey
11-13-2014, 06:54 PM
Republican Presidents; Ronald Reagan and Both George Bush's sighed Executive Orders on Immigration

This is NOT Amnesty

So Stop Crying ... if The GOP is going to Impeach Obama, I say bring it.

I would love to see Obama be impeached, then removed from office by the Senate (highly unlikely) or resign...let's say within the next year.

Then the right's beloved Joe Biden becomes President and will undoubtedly appoint Hillary VP.

Soon before the 2016 elections, Joe will resign, therefore making Hillary the President for NINE YEARS!

momsapplepie
11-13-2014, 10:30 PM
Bump

Mac-7
11-13-2014, 10:36 PM
Republican Presidents; Ronald Reagan and Both George Bush's sighed Executive Orders on Immigration



I don't remember those executive orders.

can you document them?

momsapplepie
11-13-2014, 10:40 PM
The Immigration Reform and Control Act (IRCA), Pub.L. 99–603 (http://legislink.org/us/pl-99-603), 100 Stat. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Statutes_at_Large) 3445 (http://legislink.org/us/stat-100-3445), enacted November 6, 1986, also known as the Simpson-Mazzoli Act, signed into law by Ronald Reagan on November 6, 1986, is an Act of Congress (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_the_United_States) which reformed United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States) immigration law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_law).

It wasn't an EO.

momsapplepie
11-13-2014, 10:42 PM
The Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2007 — its full name was Secure Borders, Economic Opportunity and Immigration Reform Act of 2007 (S. 1348 (https://www.congress.gov/bill/110th-congress/senate-bill/1348)) — was a bill discussed in the 110th (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/110th_United_States_Congress) United States Congress (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Congress) that would have provided legal status and a path to citizenship for the approximately 12 million illegal immigrants residing in the United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States). The bill was portrayed as a compromise between providing a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants and increased border enforcement: it included funding for 300 miles (480 km) of vehicle barriers, 105 camera and radar towers, and 20,000 more Border Patrol agents, while simultaneously restructuring visa criteria around high-skilled workers. The bill also received heated criticism from both sides of the immigration debate. The bill was introduced in the United States Senate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate) on May 9, 2007, but was never voted on, though a series of votes on amendments and cloture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloture) took place. The last vote on cloture, on June 7, 2007, 11:59 AM, failed 34-61 effectively ending the bill's chances. A related bill S. 1639, on June 28, 2007, 11:04 AM, also failed 46-53.

No EO there either.

sachem
11-13-2014, 10:44 PM
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=44317

http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/07/20020703-24.html

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2002-11-19/pdf/02-29580.pdf

momsapplepie
11-13-2014, 10:51 PM
none of those EO's pass amnesty.

sachem
11-13-2014, 10:52 PM
none of those EO's pass amnesty.No. They don't. Just EO's by Reagan and Bush on immigration.

momsapplepie
11-13-2014, 10:56 PM
and that is why they were left to stand. They were not granting amnesty. That is the difference. Obama intends to let illegals stay here as some sort of new class of citizen. He is not following the law.

sachem
11-13-2014, 10:59 PM
and that is why they were left to stand. They were not granting amnesty. That is the difference. Obama intends to let illegals stay here as some sort of new class of citizen. He is not following the law.I'm not talking amnesty. I just posted a few links to Reagan/Bush EO's on immigration.

del
11-13-2014, 11:00 PM
I'm not talking amnesty. I just posted a few links to Reagan/Bush EO's on immigration.

commie

sachem
11-13-2014, 11:03 PM
commie:o

Cigar
11-13-2014, 11:21 PM
I would love to see Obama be impeached, then removed from office by the Senate (highly unlikely) or resign...let's say within the next year.

Then the right's beloved Joe Biden becomes President and will undoubtedly appoint Hillary VP.

Soon before the 2016 elections, Joe will resign, therefore making Hillary the President for NINE YEARS!

I'd Like to see Beyonce in my Basement right now?

http://rollingout.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Sexy_Beyonce_Bikini_HQ_Wallpapers_Pack_1-24.jpeg

Professor Peabody
11-13-2014, 11:23 PM
I would love to see Obama be impeached, then removed from office by the Senate (highly unlikely) or resign...let's say within the next year.

Then the right's beloved Joe Biden becomes President and will undoubtedly appoint Hillary VP.

Soon before the 2016 elections, Joe will resign, therefore making Hillary the President for NINE YEARS!


Also, if the Vice President dies, resigns, or becomes President, the President can appoint a Vice President if he is confirmed by a majority vote of both the House of Representatives (http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Representatives) and the U.S. Senate (http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Senate).

http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vice_President_of_the_United_States#If_the_Vice_Pr esident_dies_or_becomes_President

She would have to be confirmed by a majority vote in both houses.

Cigar
11-13-2014, 11:26 PM
She would have to be confirmed by a majority vote in both houses.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-v857LimBYEA/Tfy78LjkdsI/AAAAAAAASwQ/xLliyqAEeIk/s1600/alarm+clock-hearing+impaired.jpg

Professor Peabody
11-14-2014, 12:19 AM
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=44317

http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/07/20020703-24.html

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2002-11-19/pdf/02-29580.pdf

Did you read them?

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=44317

This was Reagan authorizing the Coast Guard to act as the border patrol on the ocean.

in view of the continuing problem of migrants coming to the United States, by sea, without necessary entry documents, and in order to carry out the suspension and interdiction of such entry which have concurrently been proclaimed, it is hereby ordered as follows

http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/07/20020703-24.html

Expedited Naturalization Executive Order

Executive Order Expedited Naturalization of Aliens and Noncitizen Nationals Serving in An Active-Duty Status During the War on Terrorism


By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including section 329 of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1440) (the "Act"), and solely in order to provide expedited naturalization for aliens and noncitizen nationals serving in an active-duty status in the Armed Forces of the United States during the period of the war against terrorists of global reach, it is hereby ordered as follows

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2002-11-19/pdf/02-29580.pdf

this regard, the Attorney General shall provide and operate a facility, or facilities, to house and provide for the needs of any such aliens. Such a facility may be located at Guantanamo Bay Naval Base or any other appropriate location.

Looks like Bush wanted to send them to Gitmo.

These were all dealing with folks who came here seeking asylum. Nothing in there circumvented the Immigration and Naturalization process (law), only allowed them to stay while they applied for asylum from persecution (proof required) in their home country.

Howey
11-14-2014, 12:20 AM
Congress agreed with Reagan and Bush. They don't agree with Obama. Obama has proven to be a lousy dancer/partner, and Congress is tired of getting their toes stepped on by a wanna be dictator. If Obumbles tries to pass immigration reform without congress, they're going to shred his eo to pieces with this.

No. They won't. But go ahead and think that all you want.

The upcoming Congress will be no different than the one it replaced. Aside from more republicans wanting to shut down the government if they don't get their way.

Professor Peabody
11-14-2014, 12:23 AM
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-v857LimBYEA/Tfy78LjkdsI/AAAAAAAASwQ/xLliyqAEeIk/s1600/alarm+clock-hearing+impaired.jpg

You not me. The Democrats will have 189 seats in the House and 46 in the Senate come January.

Howey
11-14-2014, 12:28 AM
She would have to be confirmed by a majority vote in both houses.
No. At that time Biden will be president, not VP.

http://constitution.findlaw.com/amendment25.html

Redrose
11-14-2014, 12:30 AM
I don't remember those executive orders.

can you document them?

There aren't any, it was Congressional legislation, passed by the Congress and signed by Reagan and Bush.

Obammy wants to cut the Congress out of the decision making. Do I hear Dictator?

Howey
11-14-2014, 12:41 AM
There aren't any, it was Congressional legislation, passed by the Congress and signed by Reagan and Bush.

Obammy wants to cut the Congress out of the decision making. Do I hear Dictator?

Only in your mind...

Professor Peabody
11-14-2014, 01:16 AM
No. At that time Biden will be president, not VP.

http://constitution.findlaw.com/amendment25.html

I read what you posted, where does it say the President appoints a second VP before he resigns? It's not his choice. If Obama resigned, Biden would become President. Biden would then nominate a new Vice President. One only needs to look back at Nixon. When Nixon resigned, Gerald Ford assumed the Presidency. He then nominated Nelson Rockefeller (http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=4487), who was confirmed by Congress.