THIS is what a successful presidency looks like

[Bo-4]

Hmmm, and some say he's been a failure ... interesting! ;-)

What a difference 6 years makes:

When President Obama Took Office............................................ ..........Today

7,949....................................The Dow Jones Index...............................17,390
7.8%.....................................Unemploym ent........................................... 5.9%
-5.4%....................................GDP Growth............................................ ...4.6%
9.8%.....................................Deficit GDP %............................................ 2.8%
37.7......................................Consumer Confidence................................94.5

[del]

he's been a nothing and deserves no more credit for the economy than i do

[Captain Obvious]

Showing the change from the housing bubble crash to now just shows that there's no way to go from bottom except up.

Explaining what the O'bama did (or didn't do) to entitle him to some or all of the credit, that's a different story.

[Cigar]

Hmmm, and some say he's been a failure ... interesting! ;-)

What a difference 6 years makes:

When President Obama Took Office............................................ ..........Today

7,949....................................The Dow Jones Index...............................17,390
7.8%.....................................Unemploym ent........................................... 5.9%
-5.4%....................................GDP Growth............................................ ...4.6%
9.8%.....................................Deficit GDP %............................................ 2.8%
37.7......................................Consumer Confidence................................94.5


Here comes the crying .... :toothy2:

[Calypso Jones]

“[T]here’s no denying that many blacks share the same anxieties as many whites about the wave of illegal immigration flooding our Southern border—a sense that what’s happening now is fundamentally different from what has gone on before,” then-Senator Obama wrote in his 2006 autobiography, “The Audacity of Hope: Thoughts on Reclaiming the American Dream.”

”Not all these fears are irrational,” he wrote.

“The number of immigrants added to the labor force every year is of a magnitude not seen in this country for over a century,” Obama noted. “If this huge influx of mostly low-skill workers provides some benefits to the economy as a whole—especially by keeping our workforce young, in contrast to an increasingly geriatric Europe and Japan—it also threatens to depress further the wages of blue-collar Americans and put strains on an already overburdened safety net.” The Audacity of the Dope.

fraking opportunistic liar.

[Common Sense]

It's obvious that the bad things are Obama's doing and the good things are not.

The reality is probably somewhere in between.

[Paperback Writer]

Hmmm, and some say he's been a failure ... interesting! ;-)

What a difference 6 years makes:

When President Obama Took Office............................................ ..........Today

7,949....................................The Dow Jones Index...............................17,390
7.8%.....................................Unemploym ent........................................... 5.9%
-5.4%....................................GDP Growth............................................ ...4.6%
9.8%.....................................Deficit GDP %............................................ 2.8%
37.7......................................Consumer Confidence................................94.5


He came into power at the beginning of the worst bubble popping recession you've had since the 1930s. If it hadn't started to turn around 6 years later you should wheel out the guillotine.

Americans really are unique creatures if this is defined as "success".

[Captain Obvious]

It's obvious that the bad things are Obama's doing and the good things are not.

The reality is probably somewhere in between.

Such is life...

[Green Arrow]

Bo-4, what specific steps did President Obama take to do all of that?

[Paperback Writer]

It's obvious that the bad things are Obama's doing and the good things are not.

The reality is probably somewhere in between.

Presidents and Prime Ministers can usually only hurt an economy. Economies are driven by banks, business, and consumers.

[Paperback Writer]

@Bo-4 (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1297), what specific steps did President Obama take to do all of that?

This I'd like to read, as well.

[Common Sense]

Presidents and Prime Ministers can usually only hurt an economy. Economies are driven by banks, business, and consumers.

Agreed. However certain policies can aid or hinder. He's certainly been a friend to Wall Street.

[Paperback Writer]

Agreed. However certain policies can aid or hinder. He's certainly been a friend to Wall Street.

He wouldn't have been elected otherwise. Wall St. is tricky as those types make money off of loss, as well as, gain.

[Chris]

Agreed. However certain policies can aid or hinder. He's certainly been a friend to Wall Street.

Yes, policies that regulate competition and promote monopoly tend to harm, which accounts for 99% of Keynesian economic policies. Policies that free up competition and promote entrepreneurship help, but there's so little of this from the Dems or the Reps.

[Cigar]

@Bo-4 (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1297), what specific steps did President Obama take to do all of that?

Do I really have to list them again?

[Paperback Writer]

Yes, policies that regulate competition and promote monopoly tend to harm, which accounts for 99% of Keynesian economic policies. Policies that free up competition and promote entrepreneurship help, but there's so little of this from the Dems or the Reps.

Policies is still interference and still picking winners. Thought your lot as against that.

[Paperback Writer]

Di I really have to list them again?

I hardly believe you listed them the first time as he's had none.

[Cigar]

Presidents and Prime Ministers can usually only hurt an economy. Economies are driven by banks, business, and consumers.

IF this was Reagan or Bush we'd be adding another face to Rushmore

http://www.who2.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/blog-full/blog/inline/3/reagan-on-mount-rushmore.png
http://media.cagle.com/73/2009/04/01/62935_600.jpg

[Cigar]

I hardly believe you listed them the first time as he's had none.


Obama’s Top 50 Accomplishments in the first 2.5 years
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/march_april_2012/features/obamas_top_50_accomplishments035755.php?page=all

Naturally this will all be denied :laugh:

[Captain Obvious]

I hardly believe you listed them the first time as he's had none.

One cut-and-paste special coming right up...

[Chris]

Policies is still interference and still picking winners. Thought your lot as against that.

Well, that's what I argued, regulation interferes, deregulation doesn't.

[Paperback Writer]

Well, that's what I argued, regulation interferes, deregulation doesn't.

Deregulation as a policy is interference.

[Cigar]

The Number One (1) Accomplishment of Obama ... Two Ass-Kickings that will last FOREVER in The Record Books

[Chris]

So let's look at the great accomplishments proclaimed in the OP:


When President Obama Took Office............................................ ..........Today

7,949....................................The Dow Jones Index...............................17,390


Wow, 10%, right. Wrong.

The Dow’s performance since 1900 by president (http://www.suntimes.com/news/16225531-418/the-dows-performance-since-1900-by-president.html#.VGp7MfnF_UU):


Performance of the Dow Jones industrial average by party controlling the White House, listed with presidents in office, since 1900:

♦ 1901-1912 (Republican — McKinley, T. Roosevelt, Taft): Up 48.3 percent.

♦ 1913-1920 (Democratic — Wilson): Up 29.2 percent.

♦ 1921-1932 (Republican — Harding, Coolidge, Hoover): Down 24.5 percent.

♦ 1933-1952 (Democratic — F. Roosevelt, Truman): Up 318.4 percent.

♦ 1953-1960 (Republican — Eisenhower): Up 121.2 percent.

♦ 1961-1968 (Democratic — Kennedy, Johnson): Up 58.3 percent.

♦ 1969-1976 (Republican — Nixon, Ford): Up 2.1 percent.

♦ 1977-1980 (Democratic — Carter): Down 3 percent.

♦ 1981-1992 (Republican — Reagan, G.H.W. Bush): Up 247 percent.

♦ 1993-2000 (Democratic — Clinton): Up 236.7 percent.

♦ 2001-2008 (Republican — G.W. Bush): Down 12.1 percent.

♦ 2009-2012 (Democratic — Obama): Up 36.2 percent through Tuesday.

[Paperback Writer]

The Number One (1) Accomplishment of Obama ... Two Ass-Kickings that will last FOREVER in The Record Books

There you have it, folks. This is why Americans are laughed at all over the world. You are Idiocracy realised.

Two Ass Kickings (in colour no less) is his reasoning.

Bravo, Cigar. Illustrated my point perfectly.

[Captain Obvious]

There you have it, folks. This is why Americans are laughed at all over the world. You are Idiocracy realised.

Two Ass Kickings (in colour no less) is his reasoning.

Bravo, Cigar. Illustrated my point perfectly.

He's got more where that came from.

[Chris]

Deregulation as a policy is interference.

By deregulation I mean getting government out of the economy generally. I don't mean, deregulation as a political special favor to some industry.

[Cigar]

So let's look at the great accomplishments proclaimed in the OP:




Wow, 10%, right. Wrong.

The Dow’s performance since 1900 by president (http://www.suntimes.com/news/16225531-418/the-dows-performance-since-1900-by-president.html#.VGp7MfnF_UU):

Dude ... really ... are you soo blind you can't see the number of years :laugh:

[decedent]

He came into power at the beginning of the worst bubble popping recession you've had since the 1930s. If it hadn't started to turn around 6 years later you should wheel out the guillotine.

Americans really are unique creatures if this is defined as "success".

Bush may have deregulated the banks but he was against deregulation in spirit so you can't blame his policies for the crash.

[Paperback Writer]

He's got more where that came from.

http://pollexworld.com/anudrake/Anu/idiocracy.gif

[Bob]

Here comes the crying .... :toothy2:

You get that Corvette scratched?

[Paperback Writer]

Bush may have deregulated the banks but he was against deregulation in spirit so you can't blame his policies for the crash.

If I were to place blame I would put it on the Keynesian artificial industry philosophy which created a housing bubble that was unsustainable given the penchant for the FRS to raise interest rates when firms are highly invested in equity and venture capital. The FRS popping of said bubble prior to any transitional investments from new homeowners, real estate agencies, and building firms drove the economy down into a death spiral, grabbing us and Europe down with the suction.

I realise that you're a liberal disguising himself as a conservative, but it's a bit tedious for an economics thread.

[Bo-4]

he's been a nothing and deserves no more credit for the economy than i do

Ya we get it del, when a con president turns things around (Bonzo Reagan initially) they become Saints.. Black Dem president?

MEH!!! :cool:

[Chris]

Dude ... really ... are you soo blind you can't see the number of years :laugh:

Extrapolate, simple math.

[Bo-4]

Showing the change from the housing bubble crash to now just shows that there's no way to go from bottom except up.

Explaining what the O'bama did (or didn't do) to entitle him to some or all of the credit, that's a different story.

CO, i get the feeling that you're a .. uhmmm, HTG CENTRIST?

As in REALLY? ;-)

[Captain Obvious]

CO, i get the feeling that you're a .. uhmmm, HTG CENTRIST?

As in REALLY? ;-)

???

[Chris]

When President Obama Took Office............................................ ..........Today

7.8%.....................................Unemploym ent........................................... 5.9%


http://i.snag.gy/4A3x3.jpg

http://historyinpieces.com/us-unemployment-rates-president

[Paperback Writer]

Ya we get it del, when a con president turns things around (Bonzo Reagan initially) they become Saints.. Black Dem president?

MEH!!! :cool:


Gads! You actually believe that Obama has something to do with your slowish rise from economic disaster, don't you? :roflmao:

Yanks...

[del]

Ya we get it del, when a con president turns things around (Bonzo Reagan initially) they become Saints.. Black Dem president?

MEH!!! :cool:

try not to be any more retarded than your genome dictates, corky

thanks

[Chris]

When President Obama Took Office............................................ ..........Today

-5.4%....................................GDP Growth............................................ ...4.6%


Ranking the Presidents by G.D.P. (http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/07/29/ranking-the-presidents-by-g-d-p/?_r=0)


Barack Obama, 1.2% annual G.D.P. growth rate (previously 1.5%)
George W. Bush, 1.6% (previously 1.7%)
George H.W. Bush, 2.1%
Gerald Ford, 2.2%
Dwight Eisenhower, 2.5%
Richard Nixon, 3.0%
Jimmy Carter, 3.2%
Ronald Reagan, 3.5%
Bill Clinton, 3.8%
Lyndon B. Johnson, 5.0%
John F. Kennedy, 5.4%

[del]

???

he's not the sharpest bulb in the shed

[Chris]

Gads! You actually believe that Obama has something to do with your slowish rise from economic disaster, don't you? :roflmao:

Yanks...


He has something to do with slowing and prolonging recovery, just as FDR in the Great Depression.

[Paperback Writer]

He has something to do with slowing and prolonging recovery, just as FDR in the Great Depression.

FDR was a dictator with a team of strategic planners and he kept pushing forward with every proposal that comes across his desk. Obama sit there and complains about obstructionism and twiddles his thumbs or something. Who knows what he really does in his free time aside from golf since it isn't apparent to the rest of us what is going on over there.

[Common Sense]

It's really a two way partisan street. Dems see heaps of praise on Reagan for the booming economy of his presidency and really no blame for Bush II for the disastrous economy at the end of his presidency. I don't really blame them for wanting to assign some credit where they see it's due.

[Chris]

Hmmm, and some say he's been a failure ... interesting! ;-)

9.8%.....................................Deficit GDP %............................................ 2.8%


The Facts About Budget Deficits: How The Presidents Truly Rank (http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesglassman/2012/07/11/the-facts-about-budget-deficits-how-the-presidents-truly-rank/)


Here are the ratios of deficit to GDP for the past five presidents:

Ronald Reagan
1981-88 4.2 %
1982-89 4.2
Average 4.2

George H. W. Bush
1989-92 4.0
1990-93 4.3
Average 4.2

Bill Clinton
1993-2000 0.8
1994-2001 0.1
Average 0.5

George W. Bush
2001-08 2.0
2002-09 3.4
Average 2.7

Barack Obama
2009-12* 9.1
2010-12 8.7
Average 8.9
*fiscal 2012 ends Sept. 30, 2012, so this figure is estimated

[Chris]

FDR was a dictator with a team of strategic planners and he kept pushing forward with every proposal that comes across his desk. Obama sit there and complains about obstructionism and twiddles his thumbs or something. Who knows what he really does in his free time aside from golf since it isn't apparent to the rest of us what is going on over there.


Different approaches, same results.

[Chris]

It's really a two way partisan street. Dems see heaps of praise on Reagan for the booming economy of his presidency and really no blame for Bush II for the disastrous economy at the end of his presidency. I don't really blame them for wanting to assign some credit where they see it's due.

Reagan wasn't all that good for the economy. As several have pointed out, presidents don't help but they can harm the economy.

[Bo-4]

Bush may have deregulated the banks but he was against deregulation in spirit so you can't blame his policies for the crash.

TOTALLY disagree. MANY more Bush policies than merely deregulation tanked the economy.

There was the unfunded 2 trillion dollar clusterfuk in Iraq based on lies, the unfunded trillion dollar prescription benny FUBAR, and of course the even more ginormous and generally unwieldy Department of Homeland Security.

And of course Junior's 1.3 trillion dollar deficit shit sandwich has been cut by 70%.

You Republicans LOVE big spending R presidents FO SHO!! :D


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3MamvKeOvg

[Paperback Writer]

It's really a two way partisan street. Dems see heaps of praise on Reagan for the booming economy of his presidency and really no blame for Bush II for the disastrous economy at the end of his presidency. I don't really blame them for wanting to assign some credit where they see it's due.

:roflmao:

Dear God...carry on, ser, carry on.

[Chris]

When President Obama Took Office............................................ ..........Today

37.7......................................Consumer Confidence................................94.5


http://i.snag.gy/PzGfp.jpg

[Bo-4]

???

You're a puzzlement as to your political leanings.

[Common Sense]

:roflmao:

Dear God...carry on, ser, carry on.

"Where they see"...

Come on, you're English...you know how to read.

[Captain Obvious]

You're a puzzlement as to your political leanings.

I didn't know what HTG meant.

[Paperback Writer]

"Where they see"...

Come on, you're English...you know how to read.

The middle class is smoldering in a heap of ash and they want to assign credit? If they were smart they'd assign tickets to the guillotine.

[Captain Obvious]

You're a puzzlement as to your political leanings.

After thinking about your statement I take that as a compliment, not suggesting you mean it as an insult or anything.

One of my biggest rags on this forum is how cookbook people are when it comes to politics. You can create a list of political issues and check off "for" or "against" with sadly alarming accuracy based on how they identify themselves politically.

I tend to follow my instinct and common sense, not a prescripted ideology.

[Common Sense]

The middle class is smoldering in a heap of ash and they want to assign credit? If they were smart they'd assign tickets to the guillotine.

The recovery was far too long. But as you insisted, Presidents can't really do anything positive for the economy...so how do you lay blame? You seem to be contradicting yourself. What policies did Obama implement to hinder the economy?

[Common Sense]

After thinking about your statement I take that as a compliment, not suggesting you mean it as an insult or anything.

One of my biggest rags on this forum is how cookbook people are when it comes to politics. You can create a list of political issues and check off "for" or "against" with sadly alarming accuracy based on how they identify themselves politically.

I tend to follow my instinct and common sense, not a prescripted ideology.

I had a feeling someone was following me.

[Captain Obvious]

The middle class is smoldering in a heap of ash and they want to assign credit? If they were smart they'd assign tickets to the guillotine.

They (we) are not smart enough, hence their current situation.

Even though the bones get smaller, a couple tossed their way shuts them up.

[Paperback Writer]

I think everyone is stupid and less intelligent than myself and I'm never disappointed. The day I meet the Hawk I'll change direction, but until then I'll just believe he's a character they made up on the telly. :)

[Bo-4]

http://i.snag.gy/PzGfp.jpg

OMG THAT IS SOOOO FUNNY.. So Bonzo had a 107% consumer confidence rating according to the "Conference Board" compared to Obama's current 92%.

Stop it, yer KILLIN ME!!!

:rofl:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-10-28/october-consumer-confidence-index-rises-to-94-5-from-89.html

[Captain Obvious]

I had a feeling someone was following me.

Spidey senses were tingling, eh?

[Common Sense]

Spidey senses were tingling, eh?

My hoser senses, eh?

[Paperback Writer]

I had a feeling someone was following me.

Laughable. You're quite predictable. I would bet I could take a list of issues and pick which position you'd take. Very few on here are a puzzle to me.

[Captain Obvious]

I think everyone is stupid and less intelligent than myself and I'm never disappointed. The day I meet the Hawk I'll change direction, but until then I'll just believe he's a character they made up on the telly. :)

Unfortunately your (or anyone's) vote is watered down by the masses.

[Common Sense]

Laughable. You're quite predictable. I would bet I could take a list of issues and pick which position you'd take. Very few on here are a puzzle to me.

Oh well then why are you slumming here with us idiots?

There's a genius among us, folks! A genuine genius!

[Common Sense]

LOL...what a pretentious twat.

[Paperback Writer]

Oh well then why are you slumming here with us idiots?

My presence was requested. See to the thread about "Remembering".




There's a genius among us, folks! A genuine genius!

There are a few on here that meet that criteria, yourself unincluded from that list, naturally.

[Bo-4]

I think everyone is stupid and less intelligent than myself and I'm never disappointed. The day I meet the Hawk I'll change direction, but until then I'll just believe he's a character they made up on the telly. :)

PW, can you maybe move to "threaded mode" and include original quote? Sometimes i can't tell who you're talking to or what it's about. Thanks!

[Paperback Writer]

Unfortunately your (or anyone's) vote is watered down by the masses.

We're lucky to have a parliamentary system where our vote has some slight effect. I feel for ya, mate.

[Bo-4]

try not to be any more retarded than your genome dictates, corky

thanks

You were funnier when you focused on satire as opposed to calling fellow posters "retarded".

[Chris]

Hmmm, and some say he's been a failure ... interesting! ;-)

What a difference 6 years makes:

When President Obama Took Office............................................ ..........Today

7,949....................................The Dow Jones Index...............................17,390
7.8%.....................................Unemploym ent........................................... 5.9%
-5.4%....................................GDP Growth............................................ ...4.6%
9.8%.....................................Deficit GDP %............................................ 2.8%
37.7......................................Consumer Confidence................................94.5



Each one of these has now been blown out of the water. But carry on with the petty partisan piffle.

[Bo-4]

@Bo-4 (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1297), what specific steps did President Obama take to do all of that?

I get your drift, and quite honestly a president has only perhaps 20% to do with an overall economy. But yes, there were some steps .. how much time do you have? ;-)

[Paperback Writer]

I get your drift, and quite honestly a president has only perhaps 20% to do with an overall economy. But yes, there were some steps .. how much time do you have? ;-)

Shouldn't take more than a second because he did fuck all. :laugh:

[del]

My hoser senses, eh?

take off

[del]

You were funnier when you focused on satire as opposed to calling fellow posters "retarded".

if you don't want to be identified as retarded, don't make retarded statements

otay?

[nathanbforrest45]

Do I really have to list them again?

Yes please if you would. Thank you

[Green Arrow]

Do I really have to list them again?

No, I'd rather have Bo-4 answer my question, because then we can have an intelligent discussion.

[Green Arrow]

I get your drift, and quite honestly a president has only perhaps 20% to do with an overall economy. But yes, there were some steps .. how much time do you have? ;-)

As much time as you need. Keep in mind, I'm looking for specific things he personally did. Executive orders would count, laws passed by Congress would not.

[Chris]

As much time as you need. Keep in mind, I'm looking for specific things he personally did. Executive orders would count, laws passed by Congress would not.

Speeches! Campaigning! No, those don't count.

[Bo-4]

Each one of these has now been blown out of the water. But carry on with the petty partisan piffle.

Thanks for NOT "blowing them out of the water".

CONFIRMED!! :D

[Bo-4]

After thinking about your statement I take that as a compliment, not suggesting you mean it as an insult or anything.

One of my biggest rags on this forum is how cookbook people are when it comes to politics. You can create a list of political issues and check off "for" or "against" with sadly alarming accuracy based on how they identify themselves politically.

I tend to follow my instinct and common sense, not a prescripted ideology.

HTG = Honest To God.

Soooo, you think of yourself as a centrist or whaaa?

[Captain Obvious]

HTG = Honest To God.

Soooo, you think of yourself as a centrist or whaaa?

I consider myself a fiscal conservative, social moderate.

I also don't consider myself a political hack so I don't get caught up in all the demonization on both sides of the spectrum.

Except for heckling it, great bash fodder.

[Chloe]

try not to be any more retarded than your genome dictates, corky

thanks

del please stop with the personal attacks.

everybody please relax on the personal insults and jabs at each other. It doesn't help. Thank you.

[Cigar]

HTG = Honest To God.

Soooo, you think of yourself as a centrist or whaaa?



I think this Thread clearly shows the anxiety and hysteria the right has on knowing, deep down in area's they don't want to admit is true, that President Barack Obama will go down in history as the champion United States History for progressing rights of the poor. Sure, many thinks The President wanted to do will be blocked by Republicans, but Obama will still get credit for trying, while The GOP will get equal criedit for blocking.

Yes ... this is why there's so much anxiety and hysteria ... and I Love it.

[texan]

He is disappointingly ordinary...............BUT for the sport I will say his ongoing lying (I didn't know Gruber) cost his party the house and senate. Is this "successful?"

[texan]

@del (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=770) please stop with the personal attacks.

everybody please relax on the personal insults and jabs at each other. It doesn't help. Thank you.

Great Picture Chloe.

[Alyosha]

I think this Thread clearly shows the anxiety and hysteria the right has on knowing, deep down in area's they don't want to admit is true, that President Barack Obama will go down in history as the champion United States History for progressing rights of the poor. Sure, many thinks The President wanted to do will be blocked by Republicans, but Obama will still get credit for trying, while The GOP will get equal criedit for blocking.

Yes ... this is why there's so much anxiety and hysteria ... and I Love it.

I wish I had Cigar's ability to manifest a wholly separate reality from which the rest of the world resides in. Clearly he believes the mythology of his captors and is happy. Good for him.

As to Bo-4 who is somewhat more reasonable, if partisan, I would ask you to explain why you feel his presidency is a success. I see a man with words and slogans, but without a plan. I see a trail of broken and muddled campaign promises, hubris when angered, but nothing much that could possibly be measured as success.

DOW indicators are capricious and unattached to politics in ways that we might ostensibly consider "hitched" to a program or bit of legislation. The DOW is a gamble on both success and failure.

I think, perhaps, we look for something to hold onto and Obama supporters now after 6 years of Bush-like behavior must find meaning to their vote or else deal with their conscience and ego.

[Green Arrow]

President Barack Obama will go down in history as the champion United States History for progressing rights of the poor.

Aren't you supposedly uber rich, Cigar?

[Green Arrow]

Bo-4, still waiting on that answer.

[Cigar]

Aren't you supposedly uber rich, @Cigar (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=294)?

What does the question have to do with caring for the Poor?

Sounds like a diversion to me.

[nathanbforrest45]

Regarding the Obama "successes", wasn't the stimulus a Bush initiative? If the ACA is such a success story why does 53% of the population want Obamacare repealed outright and another group willing to keep it but only if its highly modified. Another question, how exactly did Obama's murder of Bin Laden impact the economy?

Many of the "successes" on the top 50 list are actually Congressional acts or not wildly embraced by us normal folks.

[Alyosha]

What does the question have to do with caring for the Poor?

Sounds like a diversion to me.

What does caring for the poor have to do with Obama? Their tax donations according to CBS were mostly to their daughter's school, the Red Cross, and the Boston fund.

[Chris]

Bo-4, still waiting on that answer.

How much time you got? :D

[Bob]

I wish I had Cigar's ability to manifest a wholly separate reality from which the rest of the world resides in. Clearly he believes the mythology of his captors and is happy. Good for him.

As to @Bo-4 (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1297) who is somewhat more reasonable, if partisan, I would ask you to explain why you feel his presidency is a success. I see a man with words and slogans, but without a plan. I see a trail of broken and muddled campaign promises, hubris when angered, but nothing much that could possibly be measured as success.

DOW indicators are capricious and unattached to politics in ways that we might ostensibly consider "hitched" to a program or bit of legislation. The DOW is a gamble on both success and failure.

I think, perhaps, we look for something to hold onto and Obama supporters now after 6 years of Bush-like behavior must find meaning to their vote or else deal with their conscience and ego.

What would Ceegar say if Obama bragged on his white part of the family? Alyosha

[Bob]

It's really a two way partisan street. Dems see heaps of praise on Reagan for the booming economy of his presidency and really no blame for Bush II for the disastrous economy at the end of his presidency. I don't really blame them for wanting to assign some credit where they see it's due.

Reagan got caught in a much worse mess. And his actions caused the nation to storm back. And we had a lot of pride. The Muslims, Russians and probably the French hate Obama as much as some of us do.

Was the Obama crash worse than the Reagan crash?

Not a bit worse. Fact is, Reagan had to fight stagflation. No jobs and super inflation. No economy improves by itself just as one does not go bad by itself. We know what killed housing this time. Last time it was super high interest rates, Jobs going away and we reached a point where nobody would buy a house. That was for Reagan.

[Green Arrow]

What does the question have to do with caring for the Poor?

Sounds like a diversion to me.

I'm just curious how you think you're qualified to say President Obama will go down in history as a champion of the poor, and that he's progressed the rights of the poor, when you are an uber rich guy who constantly brags about his country club golfing trips, shiny corvette, and lavish trips to Acapulco.

[nathanbforrest45]

I'm just curious how you think you're qualified to say President Obama will go down in history as a champion of the poor, and that he's progressed the rights of the poor, when you are an uber rich guy who constantly brags about his country club golfing trips, shiny corvette, and lavish trips to Acapulco.


Opps
:greatjob:

[Captain Obvious]

Bo-4 - man, you really got your ass kicked on this one.

Shake it off brah, you're a sharp guy and I hope you don't get jaded. Just stick with your A-game next time, leave the silt to the forum bottom feeders.

[birddog]

Again, the SM dived in the Fall of 08 when it became obvious to big investors that Obama was going to be elected. The investment money dried up, Obama's Stimulus Plan was a failure, and we had the slowest recovery from a recession in the last 60 years. Obama has doubled our national debt and decreased our credit rating. Obama is the most dishonest, incompetent, and least successful President in our history!

[Bo-4]

@Bo-4 (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1297) - man, you really got your ass kicked on this one.

Shake it off brah, you're a sharp guy and I hope you don't get jaded. Just stick with your A-game next time, leave the silt to the forum bottom feeders.

Hmmm, if you say so. I don't see a single debunking other than "nuh uh, those have all been blown out of the water". LoL!

[Green Arrow]

Hmmm, if you say so. I don't see a single debunking other than "nuh uh, those have all been blown out of the water". LoL!

I also don't see that list that I asked for about twenty four hours ago. Hard to debunk information that was never delivered.

[Chris]

Hmmm, if you say so. I don't see a single debunking other than "nuh uh, those have all been blown out of the water". LoL!

You've got to be partisan blind, bo, I posted data counter to each one of your OP points. Compared to other Presidents, Rep and Dem, Obama has done a lousy job in each case.

[Bo-4]

You've got to be partisan blind, bo, I posted data counter to each one of your OP points. Compared to other Presidents, Rep and Dem, Obama has done a lousy job in each case.

Yes, i saw your awesome graph from the "Conference Board". ;)

[Bo-4]

@Bo-4 (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1297), what specific steps did President Obama take to do all of that?
Green Arrow - Here are 269 of them for starters:

http://pleasecutthecrap.com/obama-accomplishments/

Oh, and since you like Forbes:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/adamhartung/2013/05/16/economically-could-obama-be-americas-best-president/

[Chris]

Yes, i saw your awesome graph from the "Conference Board". ;)

Earlier you said you saw no debunking, now you admit you have, which is it, bo? Each of the OP points was countered with data showing Obama bottom of the bucket.

[donttread]

Hmmm, and some say he's been a failure ... interesting! ;-)

What a difference 6 years makes:

When President Obama Took Office............................................ ..........Today

7,949....................................The Dow Jones Index...............................17,390
7.8%.....................................Unemploym ent........................................... 5.9%
-5.4%....................................GDP Growth............................................ ...4.6%
9.8%.....................................Deficit GDP %............................................ 2.8%
37.7......................................Consumer Confidence................................94.5


Not to mention continued imperialism and war hawking, record spending and record debt.

[donttread]

@Green Arrow (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=868) - Here are 269 of them for starters:

http://pleasecutthecrap.com/obama-accomplishments/

Oh, and since you like Forbes:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/adamhartung/2013/05/16/economically-could-obama-be-americas-best-president/

To do "all what?" Our economy is smoke and mirrors as are the stats both "major fuck ups " bander about. Bottom line good jobs get increasingly rarer .

[texan]

What does the question have to do with caring for the Poor?

Sounds like a diversion to me.

So does boasting abouot ones wealth.

[Green Arrow]

@Green Arrow (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=868) - Here are 269 of them for starters:

http://pleasecutthecrap.com/obama-accomplishments/

Oh, and since you like Forbes:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/adamhartung/2013/05/16/economically-could-obama-be-americas-best-president/

I like Forbes?

I'll take a look at your list tonight and get back to you.

[Cigar]

I also don't see that list that I asked for about twenty four hours ago. Hard to debunk information that was never delivered.

:rollseyes: Yesterday, 05:43 PM #19 (http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/35032-THIS-is-what-a-successful-presidency-looks-like?p=842099&viewfull=1#post842099)

[Animal Mother]

@Green Arrow (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=868) - Here are 269 of them for starters:

http://pleasecutthecrap.com/obama-accomplishments/



Did you read that list? I got 3 scrolls down and saw that 3/4 of them were things Congress did and he signed.

[Bo-4]

Earlier you said you saw no debunking, now you admit you have, which is it, bo? Each of the OP points was countered with data showing Obama bottom of the bucket.

Care to duh-fend your graph from the "Conference Board"?

FOCUS!!

[Bob]

http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Bo-4 http://thepoliticalforums.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://thepoliticalforums.com/showthread.php?p=843168#post843168)
@Green Arrow (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=868) - Here are 269 of them for starters:

http://pleasecutthecrap.com/obama-accomplishments/

Did you read that list? I got 3 scrolls down and saw that 3/4 of them were things Congress did and he signed.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOppppppppppppppppppppppppppssss sssssssssssssssssssssss

Busted him.

[Chris]

Care to duh-fend your graph from the "Conference Board"?

FOCUS!!

You're the one challenging it, or rather attacking the messenger rather than addressing the data, bo, what exactly is it about the data depicted that you have any argument with.

And do the same with the other 4 OP points I debunked with data.

[Green Arrow]

:rollseyes: Yesterday, 05:43 PM #19 (http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/35032-THIS-is-what-a-successful-presidency-looks-like?p=842099&viewfull=1#post842099)

Sorry, let me clarify: I didn't see the list I asked Bo-4 for. I ignored your post because I'm only interested in a two-way discourse between me and a Democrat that will give me their own opinion and not regurgitated talking points.

[Chris]

Hmmm, and some say he's been a failure ... interesting! ;-)

What a difference 6 years makes:

When President Obama Took Office............................................ ..........Today

7,949....................................The Dow Jones Index...............................17,390
7.8%.....................................Unemploym ent........................................... 5.9%
-5.4%....................................GDP Growth............................................ ...4.6%
9.8%.....................................Deficit GDP %............................................ 2.8%
37.7......................................Consumer Confidence................................94.5


So let's look at the great accomplishments proclaimed in the OP:

Wow, 10%, right. Wrong.

The Dow’s performance since 1900 by president (http://www.suntimes.com/news/16225531-418/the-dows-performance-since-1900-by-president.html#.VGp7MfnF_UU):


Performance of the Dow Jones industrial average by party controlling the White House, listed with presidents in office, since 1900:

♦ 1901-1912 (Republican — McKinley, T. Roosevelt, Taft): Up 48.3 percent.

♦ 1913-1920 (Democratic — Wilson): Up 29.2 percent.

♦ 1921-1932 (Republican — Harding, Coolidge, Hoover): Down 24.5 percent.

♦ 1933-1952 (Democratic — F. Roosevelt, Truman): Up 318.4 percent.

♦ 1953-1960 (Republican — Eisenhower): Up 121.2 percent.

♦ 1961-1968 (Democratic — Kennedy, Johnson): Up 58.3 percent.

♦ 1969-1976 (Republican — Nixon, Ford): Up 2.1 percent.

♦ 1977-1980 (Democratic — Carter): Down 3 percent.

♦ 1981-1992 (Republican — Reagan, G.H.W. Bush): Up 247 percent.

♦ 1993-2000 (Democratic — Clinton): Up 236.7 percent.

♦ 2001-2008 (Republican — G.W. Bush): Down 12.1 percent.

♦ 2009-2012 (Democratic — Obama): Up 36.2 percent through Tuesday.


http://i.snag.gy/4A3x3.jpg

http://historyinpieces.com/us-unemployment-rates-president




Ranking the Presidents by G.D.P. (http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/07/29/ranking-the-presidents-by-g-d-p/?_r=0)


Barack Obama, 1.2% annual G.D.P. growth rate (previously 1.5%)
George W. Bush, 1.6% (previously 1.7%)
George H.W. Bush, 2.1%
Gerald Ford, 2.2%
Dwight Eisenhower, 2.5%
Richard Nixon, 3.0%
Jimmy Carter, 3.2%
Ronald Reagan, 3.5%
Bill Clinton, 3.8%
Lyndon B. Johnson, 5.0%
John F. Kennedy, 5.4%


The Facts About Budget Deficits: How The Presidents Truly Rank (http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesglassman/2012/07/11/the-facts-about-budget-deficits-how-the-presidents-truly-rank/)


Here are the ratios of deficit to GDP for the past five presidents:

Ronald Reagan
1981-88 4.2 %
1982-89 4.2
Average 4.2

George H. W. Bush
1989-92 4.0
1990-93 4.3
Average 4.2

Bill Clinton
1993-2000 0.8
1994-2001 0.1
Average 0.5

George W. Bush
2001-08 2.0
2002-09 3.4
Average 2.7

Barack Obama
2009-12* 9.1
2010-12 8.7
Average 8.9
*fiscal 2012 ends Sept. 30, 2012, so this figure is estimated


http://i.snag.gy/PzGfp.jpg


Point for point, bo, your OP points have been countered. You done nothing to counter my counterpoints.

[Bo-4]

You're the one challenging it, or rather attacking the messenger rather than addressing the data, bo, what exactly is it about the data depicted that you have any argument with.

And do the same with the other 4 OP points I debunked with data.

Chris, kindly provide me a link to the awesome credentials of the "Conference Board" or STFU.

Thanks! ;-)

[Bo-4]

Did you read that list? I got 3 scrolls down and saw that 3/4 of them were things Congress did and he signed.

Bullcrap, but whatever blows your skirt up. Check out my Forbes link.. apparently Chris' favorite! ;-)

[Chris]

Chris, kindly provide me a link to the awesome credentials of the "Conference Board" or STFU.

Thanks! ;-)

Still can't argue with the data. Poor man.

[Chris]

Bullcrap, but whatever blows your skirt up. Check out my Forbes link.. apparently Chris' favorite! ;-)

You seem angry.