View Full Version : Both Political Parties United on Bill to Withdraw Social Security Benefits for Nazis
TrueBlue
12-02-2014, 08:37 PM
Congress unites over bill to end Social Security for suspected Nazis
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/12/congress-unites-over-bill-to-end-social-security-for-suspected-nazis/
"Democratic Representative Xavier Becerra of California said in a statement: “If there is no place for them in our country, there is certainly no place for them in our crown jewel, Social Security.”
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Finally a bill I can fully agree with Republican efforts to help pass! The "Crown Jewel", Social Security, should be given exclusively to citizens of this country who have worked hard during their working years in order to obtain it in their Golden Years and Nazis should most certainly be excluded from receiving any benefits!
I am quite alarmed, appalled, and dismayed to learn about this! I had no idea they were receiving Social Security benefits being Nazis. This practice must Stop immediately and both parties must work posthaste to pass this bill so that it can become law in order to cut them off.
Peter1469
12-02-2014, 08:40 PM
Is this a big problem? How many Nazis are collecting SS in the United States (sorry bad pun).
PolWatch
12-02-2014, 08:41 PM
I don't understand how anyone who been stripped of citizenship & deported could have been collecting SS to begin with. I hope they start proceedings to collect any funds that have already been paid to these people! (collection would prob be hopeless, but it would make me feel better)
PolWatch
12-02-2014, 08:42 PM
Is this a big problem? How many Nazis are collecting SS in the United States (sorry bad pun).
I doubt the numbers are huge (age does win in the end) but the idea of any collecting is disgusting! imho
Mister D
12-02-2014, 08:46 PM
LOL that might have had teeth in say 1980.
TrueBlue
12-02-2014, 08:52 PM
LOL that might have had teeth in say 1980.
Oh? So in 2014 Democratic and Republican efforts to stop this travesty is somehow wrong?
Oh? So in 2014 Democratic and Republican efforts to stop this travesty is somehow wrong?
no, not at all.
i'm sure both of the surviving nazis will find this problematic
PolWatch
12-02-2014, 09:00 PM
LOL that might have had teeth in say 1980.
heck, THEY might have had teeth in 1980...still, if we are gonna pay politicians for doing something/nothing...this is better than most of what they get paid to do/not do
Peter1469
12-02-2014, 09:04 PM
I have an idea. Let's fix social security in general. And Medicare. And Medicaid. Those are national issues.
If we have some Nazis collecting benefits disappear them- quietly. It isn't hard....
Are we going to next spend weeks debating over a non-binding resolution that the Islamic State is bad?
PolWatch
12-02-2014, 09:09 PM
since we have as much a chance of solving one issue as the other...why not? the nazi issue is the only thing that has had bi-partisan agreement in 15 years...
Mister D
12-02-2014, 09:15 PM
Oh? So in 2014 Democratic and Republican efforts to stop this travesty is somehow wrong?
It's somehow silly.
Mister D
12-02-2014, 09:17 PM
heck, THEY might have had teeth in 1980...still, if we are gonna pay politicians for doing something/nothing...this is better than most of what they get paid to do/not do
What they don't want you to know is that they were more or less bribed to leave the country because their presence was embarrassing. IOW, we'll pay your SS just get out.
PolWatch
12-02-2014, 09:18 PM
What they don't want you to know is that they were more or less bribed to leave the country because their presence was embarrassing. IOW, we'll pay your SS just get out.
sadly, that sounds like something that would have happened....
Mister D
12-02-2014, 09:19 PM
I have an idea. Let's fix social security in general. And Medicare. And Medicaid. Those are national issues.
If we have some Nazis collecting benefits disappear them- quietly. It isn't hard....
Are we going to next spend weeks debating over a non-binding resolution that the Islamic State is bad?
These are the great accomplishments of your government, Peter. They stopped the Nazi Social Security payments and now two queers can marry!
Chris
12-02-2014, 09:19 PM
LOL that might have had teeth in say 1980.
But it wins votes.
texan
12-02-2014, 09:19 PM
So Obama will get no benefits if this passes?
Peter1469
12-02-2014, 09:19 PM
since we have as much a chance of solving one issue as the other...why not? the nazi issue is the only thing that has had bi-partisan agreement in 15 years...
Like 90% of all legislation goes through without a problem.
Mister D
12-02-2014, 09:19 PM
sadly, that sounds like something that would have happened....
Trust me, it did.
Mister D
12-02-2014, 09:20 PM
But it wins votes.
And helps give an air of legitimacy to the political class.
Chris
12-02-2014, 09:26 PM
And helps give an air of legitimacy to the political class.
Slight of hand while they spend more of our wealth and take us ever further into debt!
Mister D
12-02-2014, 09:32 PM
Slight of hand while they spend more of our wealth and take us ever further into debt!
It's incredible when you think about it. Incredible that they get away with it I mean. They avoid the difficult issues and try to portray something like this as meaningful.
PolWatch
12-02-2014, 09:34 PM
speaking for myself...I'm at the point of being grateful for crumbs!
Common
12-02-2014, 09:35 PM
They do this and they give it to millions of 'illegal" immigrant non citizens. They suck no other way to put it.
Mister D
12-02-2014, 09:37 PM
They do this and they give it to millions of 'illegal" immigrant non citizens. They suck no other way to put it.
Ha!
Chris
12-02-2014, 09:40 PM
Hate to sound like a broken record but people like the idea of government, they romanticize it, but they don't like the reality of it.
PolWatch
12-02-2014, 09:42 PM
Hate to sound like a broken record but people like the idea of government, they romanticize it, but they don't like the reality of it.
next thing, yer gonna tell me there ain't no happily ever after? party-pooper!
Chris
12-02-2014, 09:44 PM
next thing, yer gonna tell me there ain't no happily ever after? party-pooper!
:shocked: One heartbreaker at a time.
Mister D
12-02-2014, 09:46 PM
Hate to sound like a broken record but people like the idea of government, they romanticize it, but they don't like the reality of it.
not sure if this eve deserves the name. This is more like management.
Mister D
12-02-2014, 09:47 PM
Management terrified of politics, leadership, and real decision making.
PolWatch
12-02-2014, 09:48 PM
keep us all busy so no one looks behind the curtain?
Chris
12-02-2014, 09:49 PM
Misdirection and mismanagement.
(I'll have to post some stuff I read about German National Socialist thinking, beginning around WWI leading up to the Nazis of WWII, on organization that Hayek wrote about in The Road to Serfdom some day.)
Chris
12-02-2014, 09:50 PM
keep us all busy so no one looks behind the curtain?
Perfect analogy.
Mister D
12-02-2014, 09:51 PM
Misdirection and mismanagement.
(I'll have to post some stuff I read about German National Socialist thinking, beginning around WWI leading up to the Nazis of WWII, on organization that Hayek wrote about in The Road to Serfdom some day.)
Please do. I have been meaning to bring up Louis Dumont's sociological ruminations on same.
Mister D
12-02-2014, 09:52 PM
keep us all busy so no one looks behind the curtain?
You know what, Pol? I'm not so cynical. I think these people take themselves very, very seriously.
PolWatch
12-02-2014, 09:54 PM
y'all enjoy...I'm just get my book about Lady Jane Grey and forget about the Nazis getting a social security check!
Mister D
12-02-2014, 09:57 PM
y'all enjoy...I'm just get my book about Lady Jane Grey and forget about the Nazis getting a social security check!
Lady Grey sounds good. I'll get some this weekend.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Grey_%28tea%29
Chris
12-02-2014, 09:58 PM
PolWatch, there's some interesting allegorical political/economic interpretations of the Wizard of Oz. See for instance THE WONDERFUL WIZARD OF OZ: A Monetary Reformer’s Brief Symbol Glossary (http://www.themoneymasters.com/mm/the-wonderful-wizard-of-oz/), for example: "Wizard – a charlatan who politician-like can change forms in the book and who tricked the citizens of Oz into believing he is all powerful...."
(Sons of Anarchy coming on...)
PolWatch
12-02-2014, 09:58 PM
you drink...I'll read!
Green Arrow
12-02-2014, 10:00 PM
Is this a big problem? How many Nazis are collecting SS in the United States (sorry bad pun).
Hah! I get it...
PolWatch
12-02-2014, 10:00 PM
@PolWatch (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1099), there's some interesting allegorical political/economic interpretations of the Wizard of Oz. See for instance THE WONDERFUL WIZARD OF OZ: A Monetary Reformer’s Brief Symbol Glossary (http://www.themoneymasters.com/mm/the-wonderful-wizard-of-oz/), for example: "Wizard – a charlatan who politician-like can change forms in the book and who tricked the citizens of Oz into believing he is all powerful...."
(Sons of Anarchy coming on...)
is there a reason that I get this when I click that link?
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Mister D
12-02-2014, 10:00 PM
you drink...I'll read!
Why not both?
PolWatch
12-02-2014, 10:01 PM
I drink my tea iced, with lemon...stirred, not shaken!
Mister D
12-02-2014, 10:03 PM
I drink my tea iced, with lemon...stirred, not shaken!
I drink my tea with a shot of scotch! :wink: At night anyway. not a good breakfast move.
TrueBlue
12-02-2014, 10:10 PM
no, not at all.
i'm sure both of the surviving nazis will find this problematic
Both of them? There are quite a few more and many of them are now living in foreign lands to add insult to injury while still getting American Social Security in those places. And of course they would find it problematic but you know what, they can twirl on it!
Chris
12-02-2014, 10:11 PM
is there a reason that I get this when I click that link?
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Hmm, I get web page. I'll check it later…
Chris
12-02-2014, 10:12 PM
Why not both?
Never could drink and read. Don't drink at all now, read a whole lot!
TrueBlue
12-02-2014, 10:15 PM
So Obama will get no benefits if this passes?
Well when he signs it he should get the credit don't you think?
TrueBlue
12-02-2014, 10:17 PM
It's somehow silly.
Apparently it isn't to Both political parties and most all Americans.
TrueBlue
12-02-2014, 10:22 PM
They do this and they give it to millions of 'illegal" immigrant non citizens. They suck no other way to put it.
Well hey, you can sure thank at least three of your former Republican Presidents for it.
Chris
12-02-2014, 10:26 PM
PolWatch, here's a copy of same link on a forum: http://www.goldismoney2.com/showthread.php?64877-quot-The-Wizard-of-Oz-quot-What-it-really-means!&p=729681&viewfull=1#post729681
TrueBlue
12-02-2014, 10:27 PM
is there a reason that I get this when I click that link?
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Perhaps some Nazi propaganda? I see "EeFU%" in the equation. ;)
PolWatch
12-02-2014, 10:36 PM
@PolWatch (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1099), here's a copy of same link on a forum: http://www.goldismoney2.com/showthread.php?64877-quot-The-Wizard-of-Oz-quot-What-it-really-means!&p=729681&viewfull=1#post729681
I scanned it quickly...but I'm gonna have to take longer to read again! First impression: someone really went to a lot of trouble to draw the comparison!
TrueBlue
12-02-2014, 10:59 PM
It is said that there is a Nazi Party right here in America. Can you believe that? And if so and they too are therefore Nazis, has Congress decided that they can have Social Security since they must be much younger than the older original ones? Wonder how many members there are and if they've looked into that at all?
Peter1469
12-02-2014, 11:00 PM
I am more worried about the drought in California.
TrueBlue
12-02-2014, 11:11 PM
I am more worried about the drought in California.
And I'm concerned that we might face a Social Security drought also if there are many members of that party here in the U.S. who would continue to receive and therefore cause to drain our benefits.
Peter1469
12-02-2014, 11:28 PM
And I'm concerned that we might face a Social Security drought also if there are many members of that party here in the U.S. who would continue to receive and therefore cause to drain our benefits.
Social Security is a classic Ponzi scheme. My retirement plan considers it not at all. Other than I know what anal rape is like by being forced to pay into it. And I don't appreciate it one bit.
Chris
12-02-2014, 11:33 PM
I scanned it quickly...but I'm gonna have to take longer to read again! First impression: someone really went to a lot of trouble to draw the comparison!
Dont worry, no test will be given! Those interpretations have been around for a long time. That was just a summary. Forget where I first read.
Green Arrow
12-02-2014, 11:34 PM
It is said that there is a Nazi Party right here in America. Can you believe that? And if so and they too are therefore Nazis, has Congress decided that they can have Social Security since they must be much younger than the older original ones? Wonder how many members there are and if they've looked into that at all?
It's not a mystery, there is an American Nazi Party. They came here to Chattanooga, TN and had a rally. They had people of all ages, but they were a very small group.
iustitia
12-03-2014, 12:09 AM
There's also a myriad of communist parties and islamist front groups. Why is this shocking to you @TrueBlue (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1308)? Do some reading and you'll find that many Americans supported the Axis both before and after Pearl Harbor.
And not for nothing, but outside of anti-semitism or racial matters, how exactly do Democrats and Republicans differ from the National Socialist German Workers Party? How do you? What specifically about Nazi philosophy and ideology do you disagree with? I'm curious because removing the anti-semitism from Nazism essentially gives you the modern American state which you not only seem to support but want more of.
donttread
12-03-2014, 08:19 AM
There are modern day Nazis and neo Nazis and you can't strip them of citizenship for a belief, even an abhorant one
Mac-7
12-03-2014, 08:41 AM
There's also a myriad of communist parties and islamist front groups. Why is this shocking to you @TrueBlue (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1308)? Do some reading and you'll find that many Americans supported the Axis both before and after Pearl Harbor.
And not for nothing, but outside of anti-semitism or racial matters, how exactly do Democrats and Republicans differ from the National Socialist German Workers Party? How do you? What specifically about Nazi philosophy and ideology do you disagree with? I'm curious because removing the anti-semitism from Nazism essentially gives you the modern American state which you not only seem to support but want more of.
You asked Trueblue so I'm asking you.
What makes you different from nazis or soviets?
Since you think you are better than everyone else tell us how you are better.
zelmo1234
12-03-2014, 08:53 AM
Both of them? There are quite a few more and many of them are now living in foreign lands to add insult to injury while still getting American Social Security in those places. And of course they would find it problematic but you know what, they can twirl on it!
I guess that my only question is? Did they pay into the system? If so then it is actually their money, and if they take away their money from them? Who is next
iustitia
12-03-2014, 08:58 AM
You asked Trueblue so I'm asking you.
What makes you different from nazis or soviets?
Since you think you are better than everyone else tell us how you are better.
Well for one thing I'm neither a nationalist nor a socialist so there's that. You're both, whether you admit it or not. Not that I actually think I'm better than everyone; that's a strawman you created. The point stands. Modern Republicans and Democrats are closer to the National Socialist Workers Party than say Thomas Jefferson or Patrick Henry. It's easy to pick on the Nazis who haven't been a political force since 1945 (except the Nazis we saved in Operation Paperclip that were absorbed into your hero group the CIA). Realistically, most Democrats and Republicans support the same collectivist policies as the Nazis.
Which is why I specifically said besides the anti-Semitism what did TrueBlue actually dislike about Nazi ideology.
Mac-7
12-03-2014, 09:00 AM
Well for one thing I'm neither a nationalist nor a socialist so there's that. You're both, whether you admit it or not. Not that I actually think I'm better than everyone; that's a strawman you created. The point stands. Modern Republicans and Democrats are closer to the National Socialist Workers Party than say Thomas Jefferson or Patrick Henry. It's easy to pick on the Nazis who haven't been a political force since 1945 (except the Nazis we saved in Operation Paperclip that were absorbed into your hero group the CIA). Realistically, most Democrats and Republicans support the same collectivist policies as the Nazis.
Which is why I specifically said besides the anti-Semitism what did TrueBlue actually dislike about Nazi ideology.
I asked how you are different from dems and repubs and you keep bleating about them instead of answering the question about you.
Common
12-03-2014, 09:02 AM
Hate to sound like a broken record but people like the idea of government, they romanticize it, but they don't like the reality of it.
Some people romanticize that the 2% and Corporate America and Wall street are the saviors of all and can do no wrong.
Govt makes mistakes and no one ever denies it, they do dirty deals and make backdoor deals but it all PALES in comparison to what the 2% and corporate america have done to the middleclass on down a good 65% of americans.
zelmo1234
12-03-2014, 09:05 AM
Some people romanticize that the 2% and Corporate America and Wall street are the saviors of all and can do no wrong.
Govt makes mistakes and no one ever denies it, they do dirty deals and make backdoor deals but it all PALES in comparison to what the 2% and corporate america have done to the middleclass on down a good 65% of americans.
And what have the 2% done to the middle class?
Better yet Why have they made the moves that are causing stress in the middle class?
If you actually research what is gong on you will find that you are pointing your finger the wrong way
PolWatch
12-03-2014, 09:11 AM
And what have the 2% done to the middle class?
Better yet Why have they made the moves that are causing stress in the middle class?
If you actually research what is gong on you will find that you are pointing your finger the wrong way
I would really like to know how you believe the middle class is responsible for its own destruction? Oddly enough, I don't remember manipulating the real estate market so banks and others could reap obscene profits and then losing our homes over it. I'd love to hear how the middle class sets itself up for job loss by sending our jobs offshore. I'd really like to find out how we are continuing to pay taxes at a higher rate than the 2% because we really like to.
Captain Obvious
12-03-2014, 09:16 AM
The fact that this process needed a law executed tells you everything you need to know about what's wrong with a huge, mindless government.
zelmo1234
12-03-2014, 09:18 AM
I would really like to know how you believe the middle class is responsible for its own destruction? Oddly enough, I don't remember manipulating the real estate market so banks and others could reap obscene profits and then losing our homes over it. I'd love to hear how the middle class sets itself up for job loss by sending our jobs offshore. I'd really like to find out how we are continuing to pay taxes at a higher rate than the 2% because we really like to.
First you really need to look into what happened. and I did not say that the middle class was responsible.
The one responsible actually has designed the system to work the way it is working
Lets look at the housing issue. The Equity in housing, (carter) and Community re investment act (Clinton) were designed to create opportunities for lower income people to own homes. A fine goal.
Then they required banks to have 13% of their mortgages in low income home owners or the bank would not be eligible for federal funds.
Thus there were not enough low income families that could afford homes to make the 13% Enter Sub Prime mortgages and 0 down payment mortgages.
Then the banks were loaning more than the homes were worth to try and keep mortgages current so they could sell them.
All required by the government.
But finally the piper needed to be paid, and the housing collapse. Which f course totally destroyed what little wealth the lower middle class and poor had.
Al totally designed by the US governemnt
iustitia
12-03-2014, 10:41 AM
I asked how you are different from dems and repubs and you keep bleating about them instead of answering the question about you.
I'm an anti-war, individualist, free market constitutionalist. National Socialists and Democrats/Republicans are militaristic, nationalistic, collectivistic and dictatorial. In other words, They're more alike than different and my beliefs are actually contrary to theirs and yours.
PolWatch
12-03-2014, 10:46 AM
First you really need to look into what happened. and I did not say that the middle class was responsible.
The one responsible actually has designed the system to work the way it is working
Lets look at the housing issue. The Equity in housing, (carter) and Community re investment act (Clinton) were designed to create opportunities for lower income people to own homes. A fine goal.
Then they required banks to have 13% of their mortgages in low income home owners or the bank would not be eligible for federal funds.
Thus there were not enough low income families that could afford homes to make the 13% Enter Sub Prime mortgages and 0 down payment mortgages.
Then the banks were loaning more than the homes were worth to try and keep mortgages current so they could sell them.
All required by the government.
But finally the piper needed to be paid, and the housing collapse. Which f course totally destroyed what little wealth the lower middle class and poor had.
Al totally designed by the US governemnt
and exactly WHY did the government decide to make these moves that benefited the banks, etc? Could it have been related to 'campaign' donations by those who stood to profit for these new programs? Yes, government set the laws in place to cause the failure...but why did they? From the goodness of their generous little souls? I don't think so. They (government) were paid by private business (that pesky 2%) to set up the situation. You are trying to say that big business (and the wealthy who own/control it) are innocent victims of the government programs...that they (that 2% again) PAID the government to create and implement.
Mac-7
12-03-2014, 10:48 AM
I'm an anti-war, individualist, free market constitutionalist. National Socialists and Democrats/Republicans are militaristic, nationalistic, collectivistic and dictatorial. In other words, They're more alike than different and my beliefs are actually contrary to theirs and yours.
Really?
But you pay your taxes I hope.
That supports the nazi regime that you claim is so evil.
So in fact you are no better than anyone else.
iustitia
12-03-2014, 03:00 PM
Really?
But you pay your taxes I hope.
That supports the nazi regime that you claim is so evil.
So in fact you are no better than anyone else.
I pay taxes because not paying taxes evidently gives your beloved state the right to kidnap me and extort me for money while I rot in a cage, and should I resist being kidnapped your beloved state claims the right to murder me. So, yeah, I pay taxes against my will. You pay taxes with a red, white and blue hard on.
Mac-7
12-03-2014, 03:37 PM
I pay taxes because not paying taxes evidently gives your beloved state the right to kidnap me and extort me for money while I rot in a cage, and should I resist being kidnapped your beloved state claims the right to murder me. So, yeah, I pay taxes against my will. You pay taxes with a red, white and blue hard on.
I think the democrat economic policy is inspired by fascism.
But not even the dems have opened death camps where they tried to wipe out and entire ethnic group.
and it come as a shock to you but many Americans pay taxes against their will and some of us believe in a simpler, fairer tax system that does not take from one person and give it to someone else.
So your delusions of superiority are misplaced.
TrueBlue
12-03-2014, 03:40 PM
There's also a myriad of communist parties and islamist front groups. Why is this shocking to you @TrueBlue (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1308)? Do some reading and you'll find that many Americans supported the Axis both before and after Pearl Harbor. And not for nothing, but outside of anti-semitism or racial matters, how exactly do Democrats and Republicans differ from the National Socialist German Workers Party? How do you? What specifically about Nazi philosophy and ideology do you disagree with? I'm curious because removing the anti-semitism from Nazism essentially gives you the modern American state which you not only seem to support but want more of.
It leaves little doubt that you are quite supportive of and comfortable with the Nazi movement which I am not. It is far from being even minutely close to the ideals of the Democratic Party. You should know full well that the Nazis had an abominable penchant to conquer nations in their quest for world domination something that is quite revolting to me as was their way of thinking. That is again not even close to the Democratic ideal. There are many other differences that any politically savvy person would know and could exemplify as the true differences.
For more on what the Democratic Party stands for that is radically different from Nazism and in effect, diametrically opposed to it you need to visit: Democratic Party Ideals & Principles
http://www.allthingsdemocrat.com/democratic-party-ideals-principles/
They can use the savings stopping old Nazis from getting SS to help combat hundreds of thousands of prisoners filing phoney tax returns of which $70 million was actually paid out. I'd bet that thousands of those prisoners are neo-nazis from the aryan brotherhood with the rest going to the mexican mafia and the black guerrilla army.
zelmo1234
12-03-2014, 07:24 PM
and exactly WHY did the government decide to make these moves that benefited the banks, etc? Could it have been related to 'campaign' donations by those who stood to profit for these new programs? Yes, government set the laws in place to cause the failure...but why did they? From the goodness of their generous little souls? I don't think so. They (government) were paid by private business (that pesky 2%) to set up the situation. You are trying to say that big business (and the wealthy who own/control it) are innocent victims of the government programs...that they (that 2% again) PAID the government to create and implement.
How is forcing banks to make loans that the they are well aware that the people will not be paid back beneficial to the bank.
The law was passed because the liberal politicians wanted poor people to own homes, which was a great thought, but the people did not have the money. So they ended up losing their home.
it was the government policy that caused the issue, Thus to cover it up???? BAILOUTS.
I mean Bush was an idiot and he asked congress to reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mack. and the Dems told him he was just racist. And we still don't have the final figures in what it will cost to keep them solvent
iustitia
12-03-2014, 09:39 PM
I think the democrat economic policy is inspired by fascism.It is.
But not even the dems have opened death camps where they tried to wipe out and entire ethnic group.I specifically brought up that they're the same excluding anti-semitism. If you knew how to read you would have picked that up.
and it come as a shock to you but many Americans pay taxes against their will and some of us believe in a simpler, fairer tax system that does not take from one person and give it to someone else.Then by your logic you're as evil as the system you pay into. Which is sand-poundingly stupid. Regardless, my paying taxes doesn't mean I'm in favor of what the state does, and is not inconsistent with my opposition to nazism or fascism. You on the other hand are not far-removed from fascism because you're a neocon.
So your delusions of superiority are misplaced.No, you're just illiterate and have an attention deficiency. Try again.
It leaves little doubt that you are quite supportive of and comfortable with the Nazi movement which I am not. Classic progressive deflection. No, I'm not pro-nazi or fascist. I have asked you what about nazism you disagree with besides the anti-semitism.
It is far from being even minutely close to the ideals of the Democratic Party.OR. They're so close in every aspect other than anti-semitism that it's hard for you to draw a real distinction between fascism and progressivism.
You should know full well that the Nazis had an abominable penchant to conquer nations in their quest for world domination something that is quite revolting to me as was their way of thinking.Something Republicans and Democrats have supported since always. What's the difference?
That is again not even close to the Democratic ideal. There are many other differences that any politically savvy person would know and could exemplify as the true differences.
For more on what the Democratic Party stands for that is radically different from Nazism and in effect, diametrically opposed to it you need to visit: Democratic Party Ideals & PrinciplesMore nonsense.
What. About. Nazism. Do. You. Disagree. With. Besides. Anti-semitism?
As in philosophy and ideology. It's so easy to just say "the Holocaust" and ignore the fact that the Nazis had actual policies, platforms and beliefs as a genuine political movement. So stop hiding behind talking points and let's talk actual history. For the future, if you aren't capable of answering the question, say so. If you want to answer it, actually do so and don't waste our collective time.
I'll answer the question for you. If the Nazis showed up today and said nothing of Jews you'd love their central planning, imperialism and their reverence for state innovation and authority. The substantive difference between progressivism (whether D or R) and National Socialism (besides anti-semitism) is zilch. Take out the Jew-hating and you couldn't pick out the Nazis from your typical western political party. But it's easy to accuse me of being a crypto-nazi instead of reigning in your two-party pride.
Just as a recap for Mac-7 and TrueBlue-
Nazis wanted to rule the world? Not true really, but even if so...
Democrat and Republican Wars
Mexican-American War - Democrat
Civil War - Republican
Plains Indian Wars - Republican
Spanish-American War - Republican
Banana Wars - Republican/Democrat
WWI - Democrat
WWII - Democrat
Korean War - Democrat
Vietnam War - Democrat
Persian Gulf War - Republican
Afghan War - Republican/Democrat
Iraq War - Republican/Democrat
And those are just textbook. I'm leaving out all the wars we don't acknowledge like the invasions, bombings and occupations of countries like the Dominican Republic in 1965 (Democrat), Grenada in 1983 (Republican), Panama in 1989 (Republican), Bosnia in 1993 (Democrat), Haiti in 1994 (Democrat) or Obama's myriad of crusades to "fight ebola" (protect oil in West Africa) or fight ISIS (protect oil in the Middle East).
Besides perpetual war for economic interests and hegemony, what else have your parties been up to?
Jews expelled from Union armies under Grant's control as per the advice of Sherman. Genocide was carried out by Lincoln's Republican generals against the Plains Indians for railroad interests. Lincoln's generals, especially Sherman, sought to exterminate every last man, woman and child. Genocide was also carried out against the Filipinos upon seizing their country. Under McKinley and Roosevelt US forces murdered 300,000 Filipinos in cold blood.
Concentration camps, imprisonment and crimes against humanity have been ever-present in both parties. American Indians thrown on reservations to waste away and starve, Filipinos rounded up and massacred, Americans of various European ethnicities rounded up and locked up, war protesters beaten and arrested, Americans of Japanese origin interned, Hispanic Americans kidnapped and deported, making war upon civilians, nuking two cities for the hell of it. Strikers, unions, veterans, protestors shot at, arrested from the 1800's to the Bonus Army incident to Kent State. Your history is the history of atomic bombs wiping out 200,000 people and agent orange ushering in unparalleled child deformity in Vietnam. When he wasn't agitating for war Democrat Jesus FDR put a Klansman on the Supreme Court, and when he wasn't funding death squads in Latin America Republican Jesus Reagan traded with terrorists.
The US has invaded, raped and destroyed more countries than the Nazis, Fascists or Soviets did combined. Don't tell me genocide and imperialism are what separate "us" from "them" because it isn't. The difference is that our system pretends we have a choice in which corporate whores run things. In fact we've often done worse things to foreigners and even our own people than we accuse the former of to justify our insatiable lust for pillaging. Tell Edward Snowden that the Democrats and Republicans are totally not fascists.
You support a government that used "fighting communism" as an excuse to rape children as part of MKULTRA. Fuck your two-party system and fuck your bias.
Blackrook
12-03-2014, 11:05 PM
This law is a bill of attainder and unconstitutional. None of these people have been convicted of a crime, and some of them left the country voluntarily, so they weren't even deported. It is unlawful to strip them of entitlements they earned while employed in the United States. I predict lawsuits.
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