The Water Bottle Deception

[Chloe]

By M Caulfield

Why do people pay for something they can pretty much get for free? Convenience. Bottled water continues to be one of the fastest growing beverages, with sales of bottled water growing nearly 7 percent between 2011 and 2012 (http://scienceblogs.com/significantfigures/index.php/2013/04/25/bottled-water-sales-the-shocking-reality/). Sales of bottled water account to roughly $12 billion annually, and only 60 to 70% of all the plastic bottles sold are recycled. The continued preference for convenience over ecological efficiency has us continuing to pollute our land and oceans (http://www.exposingtruth.com/rid-sea-of-plastic/).Surprisingly, the consumers are opting for bottled water over tap water, instead of the bottled water sales having come from declining purchase in soft drinks. This supports the notion that consumers prefer bottled water because of taste, convenience and perceived dangers associated with regular tap drinking water (http://www.exposingtruth.com/how-to-remove-fluoride/).
Depending on where you live, tap water is likely not doing you more harm than bottled water. Many reports have found that there was almost no difference between the two at all. And despite the popular belief that tap water is inferior, supported for instance by grounded fears about chlorine use (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3346785/), bottled water has been found to contain thousands of chemicals, including endocrine disruptors (http://www.exposingtruth.com/plastics-cancer/). These chemicals mimic molecules that are normally used in cell signaling, and confuse your cells by giving them false information. In one study, tests were conducted on 18 different bottled water products to look for the presence of endocrine-disrupting chemicals (http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0072472) (EDCs).The team identified roughly (http://abcnews.go.com/Business/study-bottled-water-safer-tap-water/story?id=87558) 24,520 different chemicals present in the tested water, by using an advanced combination of bioassay work and high-resolution mass spectrometry. Shockingly, 16 of the 18 samples were found to inhibit the body’s androgen receptors by 90 percent.
The U.S. bacterial limit is no more than 500 colony-forming units of bacteria per millilitre of water. Canadian tests on their bottled water samples showed alarmingly high results of more than 80,000 heterotrophic units, hundreds of times more than the permitted limit. Drinking from bottled water is also dangerous if it contains any number of plastics, but most famously Bisphenol A (http://www.exposingtruth.com/plastic-cancer) (BPA), which has been linked (http://www.bu.edu/today/2011/bottled-vs-tap-which-tastes-better/) to breast cancer, prostate cancer, and early onset of puberty.
It is also a common claim that bottled water tastes better than tap water. However, many taste tests find that participants cannot detect (http://www.cbc.ca/news/high-bacterial-rates-found-in-bottled-water-1.957670) any definitive taste difference. One study found that only a third of the participants were able to identity the tap water correctly. Perhaps they cannot tell the difference because in most cases there is none, literally.
Buying bottled water is a not a long term solution to securing access to clean water. Over 1 million tons of plastic are used each year (http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Health/story?id=728070&page=1) to meet the demands of the bottled water market. If you are worried about the fluoride or chlorine in your drinking water, three of the most simple methods (http://www.exposingtruth.com/how-to-remove-fluoride/) of removing it are Reverse Osmosis, Distillation and Activated Alumina Defluoridation. Bottled water that has been treated by distillation, reverse osmosis, or another suitable process is labelled (http://www.ncsu.edu/project/bio183de/Black/chemreview/chemreview_news/402_h2o.html) as “purified water”, however some purified water still contains fluoride as the filters used don’t remove fluoride or because the company adds fluoride to the water after filtering it. Many people are purchasing bottled water (http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/health/2001-05-02-bottled-water.htm) because they assume that it comes from some exotic, or cleaner location. And maybe they would be surprised to find out that Everest Water is not from Mount Everest: it’s from Corpus Christi, Texas. And Glacier Clear Water is not from a glacier in Alaska, it’s just simple tap water from Greeneville, Tenn. Dasani and Aquafina are also just reprocessed tap water from cities around the U.S. One of Aquafina’s sources is the Detroit River (http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Health/story?id=728070&page=1). It is estimated that between 25-40% or more of bottled water (http://www.nrdc.org/water/drinking/bw/chap2.asp) in the United States comes from tap water.
When you demand your tap water is clean, and you achieve it, then you have helped everyone and fulfilled a daily need. Buying bottled water, or privatizing it (http://www.exposingtruth.com/inefficiency-of-privatisation/), is trying to treat the symptom of a problem, more cheaply and efficiently solved directly. There are many who also insist that access to clean water is a human right, so should it really be sold for profit on the global market? Worst of all, your money is a form of democracy (http://www.exposingtruth.com/conscious-consumers/) and it would be insane to finance people who waste resources and ruthlessly deplete aquifiers.
Read more: http://www.exposingtruth.com/water-bottle-deception/#ixzz3LkERDrPb

[PolWatch]

If someone had told me 30 years ago that people would be paying for bottled water, I would have laughed at them!

[Chloe]

If someone had told me 30 years ago that people would be paying for bottled water, I would have laughed at them!

It's definitely a silly and irresponsible thing to buy in my opinion

[Peter1469]

Lots of people don't want the health risks associated with fluoridated water. Why put an industrial waste product into the water supply? If it is supposed to be like drug, why put it in the water supply? Dosage?

[Peter1469]

I don't get bottled water unless I am traveling. I have a water filter than can clean tap water.

[Chloe]

Lots of people don't want the health risks associated with fluoridated water. Why put an industrial waste product into the water supply? If it is supposed to be like drug, why put it in the water supply? Dosage?

Buying bottled water won't fix it. Communities, people, businesses, etc need to demand change.

[PolWatch]

I've been reading on coal mining & ran across the subject of coal slurry. If i lived in the coal regions of Ohio or West Virginia...I would buy bottled water!

[Peter1469]

Buying bottled water won't fix it. Communities, people, businesses, etc need to demand change.

And it is happening slowly. Like I said, I only buy bottled water when I am away from my filters.

It is the Zero One filter which tests #1 as a gravity filter (http://www.naturalnews.com/047620_water_filter_lab_tests_arsenic_removal.html ).

[Captain Obvious]

I've been reading on coal mining & ran across the subject of coal slurry. If i lived in the coal regions of Ohio or West Virginia...I would buy bottled water!

I live in that area and I stopped drinking tap water a long time ago - wherever I was.

We have well water in PA and it's pretty clean, no fracking or industry in my area. In the Ohio Valley we buy water in jugs.

When I'm in the city and run a tap it smells like a swimming pool to me.

[PolWatch]

after reading about the coal slurry ponds, groundwater contamination & the occasional burst dam...I will avoid any water that is within 500 miles of a coal mine!

[Captain Obvious]

after reading about the coal slurry ponds, groundwater contamination & the occasional burst dam...I will avoid any water that is within 500 miles of a coal mine!

Mercury and arsenic are the two big things in coal slurry. Mercury is almost impossible to get out of the system. Fish are at the lower end of the food chain and tend to retain mercury which is why eating a lot of fish is dangerous nowadays.

The thing with this stuff is that it's not specific to region. Weather patterns, rain move this stuff everywhere.

[Bob]

Louise that works in my office on a fee basis drinks bottled water. Her son works for the water district. I checked with the lab at the water district years ago and was told my city water is excellent.

I have asked her why she drinks only bottled water. But I do try to not annoy her with such questions.

I mention it because she drinks Whole Foods Italian Sparkling water. I bet it costs a lot.

[PolWatch]

Mercury and arsenic are the two big things in coal slurry. Mercury is almost impossible to get out of the system. Fish are at the lower end of the food chain and tend to retain mercury which is why eating a lot of fish is dangerous nowadays.

The thing with this stuff is that it's not specific to region. Weather patterns, rain move this stuff everywhere.

yipes! I'm gonna have to see if it gets this far south. I know to avoid eating the larger saltwater fish..the mercury increases with age/size.

[The Xl]

Lord knows what they put in NY water, so I have a filter.

[Common]

Bottled water is ridiculous I grew up from day one on NYC and Jersey city water like untold millions have over the decades.

You have to give water sellers credit, they SOLD to many in the public that they needed to buy bottled water because city water and well water was going to kill them.

They only bottled water I see a need for is Distilled. People with certain ailments can only drink distilled and some machines that use water need distilled to keep from getting all gummed up with minerals and stuff like Cpap machine Humidifiers.

[donttread]

By M Caulfield

Why do people pay for something they can pretty much get for free? Convenience. Bottled water continues to be one of the fastest growing beverages, with sales of bottled water growing nearly 7 percent between 2011 and 2012 (http://scienceblogs.com/significantfigures/index.php/2013/04/25/bottled-water-sales-the-shocking-reality/). Sales of bottled water account to roughly $12 billion annually, and only 60 to 70% of all the plastic bottles sold are recycled. The continued preference for convenience over ecological efficiency has us continuing to pollute our land and oceans (http://www.exposingtruth.com/rid-sea-of-plastic/).Surprisingly, the consumers are opting for bottled water over tap water, instead of the bottled water sales having come from declining purchase in soft drinks. This supports the notion that consumers prefer bottled water because of taste, convenience and perceived dangers associated with regular tap drinking water (http://www.exposingtruth.com/how-to-remove-fluoride/).
Depending on where you live, tap water is likely not doing you more harm than bottled water. Many reports have found that there was almost no difference between the two at all. And despite the popular belief that tap water is inferior, supported for instance by grounded fears about chlorine use (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3346785/), bottled water has been found to contain thousands of chemicals, including endocrine disruptors (http://www.exposingtruth.com/plastics-cancer/). These chemicals mimic molecules that are normally used in cell signaling, and confuse your cells by giving them false information. In one study, tests were conducted on 18 different bottled water products to look for the presence of endocrine-disrupting chemicals (http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0072472) (EDCs).The team identified roughly (http://abcnews.go.com/Business/study-bottled-water-safer-tap-water/story?id=87558) 24,520 different chemicals present in the tested water, by using an advanced combination of bioassay work and high-resolution mass spectrometry. Shockingly, 16 of the 18 samples were found to inhibit the body’s androgen receptors by 90 percent.
The U.S. bacterial limit is no more than 500 colony-forming units of bacteria per millilitre of water. Canadian tests on their bottled water samples showed alarmingly high results of more than 80,000 heterotrophic units, hundreds of times more than the permitted limit. Drinking from bottled water is also dangerous if it contains any number of plastics, but most famously Bisphenol A (http://www.exposingtruth.com/plastic-cancer) (BPA), which has been linked (http://www.bu.edu/today/2011/bottled-vs-tap-which-tastes-better/) to breast cancer, prostate cancer, and early onset of puberty.
It is also a common claim that bottled water tastes better than tap water. However, many taste tests find that participants cannot detect (http://www.cbc.ca/news/high-bacterial-rates-found-in-bottled-water-1.957670) any definitive taste difference. One study found that only a third of the participants were able to identity the tap water correctly. Perhaps they cannot tell the difference because in most cases there is none, literally.
Buying bottled water is a not a long term solution to securing access to clean water. Over 1 million tons of plastic are used each year (http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Health/story?id=728070&page=1) to meet the demands of the bottled water market. If you are worried about the fluoride or chlorine in your drinking water, three of the most simple methods (http://www.exposingtruth.com/how-to-remove-fluoride/) of removing it are Reverse Osmosis, Distillation and Activated Alumina Defluoridation. Bottled water that has been treated by distillation, reverse osmosis, or another suitable process is labelled (http://www.ncsu.edu/project/bio183de/Black/chemreview/chemreview_news/402_h2o.html) as “purified water”, however some purified water still contains fluoride as the filters used don’t remove fluoride or because the company adds fluoride to the water after filtering it. Many people are purchasing bottled water (http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/health/2001-05-02-bottled-water.htm) because they assume that it comes from some exotic, or cleaner location. And maybe they would be surprised to find out that Everest Water is not from Mount Everest: it’s from Corpus Christi, Texas. And Glacier Clear Water is not from a glacier in Alaska, it’s just simple tap water from Greeneville, Tenn. Dasani and Aquafina are also just reprocessed tap water from cities around the U.S. One of Aquafina’s sources is the Detroit River (http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Health/story?id=728070&page=1). It is estimated that between 25-40% or more of bottled water (http://www.nrdc.org/water/drinking/bw/chap2.asp) in the United States comes from tap water.
When you demand your tap water is clean, and you achieve it, then you have helped everyone and fulfilled a daily need. Buying bottled water, or privatizing it (http://www.exposingtruth.com/inefficiency-of-privatisation/), is trying to treat the symptom of a problem, more cheaply and efficiently solved directly. There are many who also insist that access to clean water is a human right, so should it really be sold for profit on the global market? Worst of all, your money is a form of democracy (http://www.exposingtruth.com/conscious-consumers/) and it would be insane to finance people who waste resources and ruthlessly deplete aquifiers.
Read more: http://www.exposingtruth.com/water-bottle-deception/#ixzz3LkERDrPb



Buy a bottle of water, drink it. Keep it and fill it with tap water when you need to go somewhere and take water with you

[donttread]

If someone had told me 30 years ago that people would be paying for bottled water, I would have laughed at them!

Or curled milk with live cultures! We missed the millionare boat I guess

[Howey]

By M Caulfield

Why do people pay for something they can pretty much get for free? Convenience. Bottled water continues to be one of the fastest growing beverages, with sales of bottled water growing nearly 7 percent between 2011 and 2012 (http://scienceblogs.com/significantfigures/index.php/2013/04/25/bottled-water-sales-the-shocking-reality/). Sales of bottled water account to roughly $12 billion annually, and only 60 to 70% of all the plastic bottles sold are recycled. The continued preference for convenience over ecological efficiency has us continuing to pollute our land and oceans (http://www.exposingtruth.com/rid-sea-of-plastic/).Surprisingly, the consumers are opting for bottled water over tap water, instead of the bottled water sales having come from declining purchase in soft drinks. This supports the notion that consumers prefer bottled water because of taste, convenience and perceived dangers associated with regular tap drinking water (http://www.exposingtruth.com/how-to-remove-fluoride/).
Depending on where you live, tap water is likely not doing you more harm than bottled water. Many reports have found that there was almost no difference between the two at all. And despite the popular belief that tap water is inferior, supported for instance by grounded fears about chlorine use (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3346785/), bottled water has been found to contain thousands of chemicals, including endocrine disruptors (http://www.exposingtruth.com/plastics-cancer/). These chemicals mimic molecules that are normally used in cell signaling, and confuse your cells by giving them false information. In one study, tests were conducted on 18 different bottled water products to look for the presence of endocrine-disrupting chemicals (http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0072472) (EDCs).The team identified roughly (http://abcnews.go.com/Business/study-bottled-water-safer-tap-water/story?id=87558) 24,520 different chemicals present in the tested water, by using an advanced combination of bioassay work and high-resolution mass spectrometry. Shockingly, 16 of the 18 samples were found to inhibit the body’s androgen receptors by 90 percent.
The U.S. bacterial limit is no more than 500 colony-forming units of bacteria per millilitre of water. Canadian tests on their bottled water samples showed alarmingly high results of more than 80,000 heterotrophic units, hundreds of times more than the permitted limit. Drinking from bottled water is also dangerous if it contains any number of plastics, but most famously Bisphenol A (http://www.exposingtruth.com/plastic-cancer) (BPA), which has been linked (http://www.bu.edu/today/2011/bottled-vs-tap-which-tastes-better/) to breast cancer, prostate cancer, and early onset of puberty.
It is also a common claim that bottled water tastes better than tap water. However, many taste tests find that participants cannot detect (http://www.cbc.ca/news/high-bacterial-rates-found-in-bottled-water-1.957670) any definitive taste difference. One study found that only a third of the participants were able to identity the tap water correctly. Perhaps they cannot tell the difference because in most cases there is none, literally.
Buying bottled water is a not a long term solution to securing access to clean water. Over 1 million tons of plastic are used each year (http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Health/story?id=728070&page=1) to meet the demands of the bottled water market. If you are worried about the fluoride or chlorine in your drinking water, three of the most simple methods (http://www.exposingtruth.com/how-to-remove-fluoride/) of removing it are Reverse Osmosis, Distillation and Activated Alumina Defluoridation. Bottled water that has been treated by distillation, reverse osmosis, or another suitable process is labelled (http://www.ncsu.edu/project/bio183de/Black/chemreview/chemreview_news/402_h2o.html) as “purified water”, however some purified water still contains fluoride as the filters used don’t remove fluoride or because the company adds fluoride to the water after filtering it. Many people are purchasing bottled water (http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/health/2001-05-02-bottled-water.htm) because they assume that it comes from some exotic, or cleaner location. And maybe they would be surprised to find out that Everest Water is not from Mount Everest: it’s from Corpus Christi, Texas. And Glacier Clear Water is not from a glacier in Alaska, it’s just simple tap water from Greeneville, Tenn. Dasani and Aquafina are also just reprocessed tap water from cities around the U.S. One of Aquafina’s sources is the Detroit River (http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Health/story?id=728070&page=1). It is estimated that between 25-40% or more of bottled water (http://www.nrdc.org/water/drinking/bw/chap2.asp) in the United States comes from tap water.
When you demand your tap water is clean, and you achieve it, then you have helped everyone and fulfilled a daily need. Buying bottled water, or privatizing it (http://www.exposingtruth.com/inefficiency-of-privatisation/), is trying to treat the symptom of a problem, more cheaply and efficiently solved directly. There are many who also insist that access to clean water is a human right, so should it really be sold for profit on the global market? Worst of all, your money is a form of democracy (http://www.exposingtruth.com/conscious-consumers/) and it would be insane to finance people who waste resources and ruthlessly deplete aquifiers.
Read more: http://www.exposingtruth.com/water-bottle-deception/#ixzz3LkERDrPb



I drink about a gallon of water a day. Where I live tap water is ugh. We tried a Brie filter and it's a pain in the wazoo. I now drink lots of Ice Black Raspberry water and love every drop of it, even at a dollar a bottle.


Got a few hunnerd I can borrow?

[PolWatch]

sorry Howey, we're poor...we drink tap water!

[Peter1469]

sorry Howey, we're poor...we drink tap water!

Have you ever tested the water where you live? Some places it is fine. Other places not so much.

[PolWatch]

We get a water content report from our city every 6 months. We had it tested privately a few years ago when we suspected problems and it tested good and the reports are good too. Tastes fine..

[Matty]

I drink the finest bottled water the earth can produce. It has absolutely zero taste which to me is a testament of it's purity! Zeypherhills!

[Peter1469]

We get a water content report from our city every 6 months. We had it tested privately a few years ago when we suspected problems and it tested good and the reports are good too. Tastes fine..

If my water was like that, I would not bother with the filter.

[Common]

I drink the finest bottled water the earth can produce. It has absolutely zero taste which to me is a testament of it's purity! Zeypherhills!

Cant taste my well water either and its FReeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[lynn]

I grew up in CT in the country where each house had their own well. The water was great but later moving to AZ, The tap water is awful so bottled water is preferred.

[domer76]

Lots of people don't want the health risks associated with fluoridated water. Why put an industrial waste product into the water supply? If it is supposed to be like drug, why put it in the water supply? Dosage?

Bottled water is no guarantee that fluoride is NOT present, because it is in many.

[domer76]

Louise that works in my office on a fee basis drinks bottled water. Her son works for the water district. I checked with the lab at the water district years ago and was told my city water is excellent.

I have asked her why she drinks only bottled water. But I do try to not annoy her with such questions.

I mention it because she drinks Whole Foods Italian Sparkling water. I bet it costs a lot.

In 1990, benzene was found in Perrier. Bottled water is of no greater safety than tap water. Usually.

[Peter1469]

Bottled water is no guarantee that fluoride is NOT present, because it is in many.

Roger that. I know.

[Peter1469]

In 1990, benzene was found in Perrier. Bottled water is of no greater safety than tap water. Usually.


Not in DC. Unless you crave lead in your diet.

[domer76]

Not in DC. Unless you crave lead in your diet.

Yeah, I realize tap water in various parts of the country isn't so great. But all municipal water systems have to meet EPA standards. Unfortunately, palatability isn't one of them.

[Common]

They busted a bottled water company in NJ a few years ago. It was just bottling water right out of the tap from a well. It was supposed to be filtered, they didnt even have any filtration anywhere in sight.

Bottled water is filtered water, put a filter in your house and in the long run save money. You can put one undersink just for drinking, they arent that expensive and you know youre getting filtered water.

[domer76]

They busted a bottled water company in NJ a few years ago. It was just bottling water right out of the tap from a well. It was supposed to be filtered, they didnt even have any filtration anywhere in sight.

Bottled water is filtered water, put a filter in your house and in the long run save money. You can put one undersink just for drinking, they arent that expensive and you know youre getting filtered water.

I'm a retired chemist that worked in our state health lab for many years. We tested, among other things, drinking water, wastewater, surface water, etc. And I agree with your recommendation. However,make sure the filter is maintained and changed, as they can be reservoirs for bacteria, too.

If one is on a well, I'd recommend getting that tested for a minimum of a few contaminants. Nitrate being one of the more important ones. The reason is that a nitrate test is inexpensive. Nitrate is also a good indicator of other possible contaminants. It tends to percolate through the soil faster than other contaminants and is usually the first to arrive in a contaminated aquifer. High nitrates can then suggest you look at other parameters. Your state or local Dept. of Environmental Quality or Public Health probably has good stats on what is going on in your local aquifer, too. So a call to them might be helpful. The same for your tap water. That has to be tested and a record kept of the results.

[Bob]

I'm a retired chemist that worked in our state health lab for many years. We tested, among other things, drinking water, wastewater, surface water, etc. And I agree with your recommendation. However,make sure the filter is maintained and changed, as they can be reservoirs for bacteria, too.

If one is on a well, I'd recommend getting that tested for a minimum of a few contaminants. Nitrate being one of the more important ones. The reason is that a nitrate test is inexpensive. Nitrate is also a good indicator of other possible contaminants. It tends to percolate through the soil faster than other contaminants and is usually the first to arrive in a contaminated aquifer. High nitrates can then suggest you look at other parameters. Your state or local Dept. of Environmental Quality or Public Health probably has good stats on what is going on in your local aquifer, too. So a call to them might be helpful. The same for your tap water. That has to be tested and a record kept of the results.

Is it possible to sterilize a charcoal filter and use it more than one time?
domer76

[Redrose]

I don't drink tap water. I buy bottled spring water because it tastes better and is convenient, and I buy a flavored water too. I take medicine that gives me dry mouth so I always have a bottle with me.

[domer76]

Is it possible to sterilize a charcoal filter and use it more than one time?
@domer76 (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1355)

I guess you could sterilize it by heating, but sterilization only refers to microbes. Nothing you can really do to remove the trapped inorganic contaminants such as nitrates. Best to pony up and change it.

[domer76]

I don't drink tap water. I buy bottled spring water because it tastes better and is convenient, and I buy a flavored water too. I take medicine that gives me dry mouth so I always have a bottle with me.

I'm not much of a water drinker myself. I should be better, but I just don't care to drink straight old water, regardless of the taste. I'll flavor it sometimes. Or I use my Soda Stream which carbonates it. That makes it a lot more palatable for me.

[Captain Obvious]

I don't understand the angst over bottled water, where's all the angst over bottled everything else?

The bigger picture here is that we're a shit society that values cheapness and convenience. Everything we do revolves around that.

We have McD's for our cheap, convenient food, Verizon for our cheap, convenient media, Walmart for our cheap, convenient crap and all of it winds up in a landfill.

[domer76]

I don't understand the angst over bottled water, where's all the angst over bottled everything else?

The bigger picture here is that we're a shit society that values cheapness and convenience. Everything we do revolves around that.

We have McD's for our cheap, convenient food, Verizon for our cheap, convenient media, Walmart for our cheap, convenient crap and all of it winds up in a landfill.

Pretty much right on your take on things. However, when people say "I just threw it away", they don't realize there is no such place as "away" anymore. I guess there never was.

On the bottled water thing? Not too much "bottled everything else" can be had from your kitchen tap.

[Captain Obvious]

Pretty much right on your take on things. However, when people say "I just threw it away", they don't realize there is no such place as "away" anymore. I guess there never was.

On the bottled water thing? Not too much "bottled everything else" can be had from your kitchen tap.

If you're saying tap water is just as good as (treated, distilled) bottled water then I disagree.

Tap water is shit, I don't drink it.

[PolWatch]

If you're saying tap water is just as good as (treated, distilled) bottled water then I disagree.

Tap water is shit, I don't drink it.

you're just living in the wrong area! :wink:

[Captain Obvious]

you're just living in the wrong area! :wink:

It's shit everywhere, virtually.

[domer76]

That's your choice of course. My tap water goes through a carbon filter in my fridge and tastes just fine. But, even without the filter, I know it's safe to begin with.

[domer76]

I meant it's just as safe, not necessarily that it tastes as good. BTW, I wouldn't recommend drinking distilled water, or at least deionized water. Some of those processes can remove trace elements.

[southwest88]

I meant it's just as safe, not necessarily that it tastes as good. BTW, I wouldn't recommend drinking distilled water, or at least deionized water. Some of those processes can remove trace elements.

(My bold)

Yah, water that's been ultra-purified (for manufacture of microchips, for instance) is actually dangerous. It's so demineralized that it will actually strip minerals from a person's body, if ingested. The stuff is not offered for retail sale to civilians, TMK. So we should be safe.

But it's funny to think of a naturally occurring material rendered dangerous to life by purification. Live & learn, I suppose.

See The big thirst : the secret life and turbulent future of water / Charles Fishman. [B]Publisher:New York : Free Press, 2011.
Edition:1st Free Press hardcover ed.
Description:388 p. ; 24 cm.
Note:Includes bibliographical references and index.

[Peter1469]

Plastics also leach into the water.

[Polecat]

I knew the world had slipped into insanity the moment they started selling bottled water in little disposable bottles. For me it was the pivotal moment of declaration that the dipshits on Madison Avenue could convince us to eat our own excrement and enjoy paying for the privilege. Obviously my concern is not focused on the environment so much as it is the utter incompetence of a supposedly educated society. Draw your own conclusions.

[southwest88]

I knew the world had slipped into insanity the moment they started selling bottled water in little disposable bottles. For me it was the pivotal moment of declaration that the dipshits on Madison Avenue could convince us to eat our own excrement and enjoy paying for the privilege. Obviously my concern is not focused on the environment so much as it is the utter incompetence of a supposedly educated society. Draw your own conclusions.

(My bold)

Yah, the same book I referenced in #44 above, talks about the fact that there's a finite amount of water on Earth, & it's the same water, going around & around. Through dinosaur kidneys, fish, reptiles, all the way up to & including the pride & glory of the animal kingdom, H. Sap. Course the water goes in & through the water cycle.

Our tech is getting to where we can purify sewer water to any degree of cleanliness you want - but people still have the ick factor. To the point that the drinking water industry talks about polishing water - that is, you don't take it directly from sewer water put through Reverse Osmosis or whatever other tech & put it into drinking water - instead, you send it on a symbolic trip into the ground, to create a lens of drinkable water in otherwise too salty water, & then you pump it up again & put it into the drinking water supply. & hocus pocus, it's like the scapegoat has magically cleansed the water.

[domer76]

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Yah, water that's been ultra-purified (for manufacture of microchips, for instance) is actually dangerous. It's so demineralized that it will actually strip minerals from a person's body, if ingested. The stuff is not offered for retail sale to civilians, TMK. So we should be safe.

But it's funny to think of a naturally occurring material rendered dangerous to life by purification. Live & learn, I suppose.

See The big thirst : the secret life and turbulent future of water / Charles Fishman. [B]Publisher:New York : Free Press, 2011.
Edition:1st Free Press hardcover ed.
Description:388 p. ; 24 cm.
Note:Includes bibliographical references and index.



You are exactly correct on the removal of trace elements from our bodies.

[Mister D]

Mercury and arsenic are the two big things in coal slurry. Mercury is almost impossible to get out of the system. Fish are at the lower end of the food chain and tend to retain mercury which is why eating a lot of fish is dangerous nowadays.

The thing with this stuff is that it's not specific to region. Weather patterns, rain move this stuff everywhere.

It's slow but you can detox from mercury.

[Mister D]

I do limit my seafood consumption to about a pound every 2 weeks . Typically cod or haddock. I don't count scallops since shellfish are very low in mercury.

[Green Arrow]

I rarely eat seafood, so I think I'm good.

[Mister D]

I rarely eat seafood, so I think I'm good.

People live in fear and it's sad. Totally unnecessary. Educate yourself and take reasonable precautions. For example, a high seafood diet is probably not a good idea in view of what we know at this time. Would I eliminate seafood from my diet because of the potential mercury content? Heck no. I choose the fish wisely and eat it in moderation.

I've really been into shellfish lately anyway.

[Green Arrow]

People live in fear and it's sad. Totally unnecessary. Educate yourself and take reasonable precautions. For example, a high seafood diet is probably not a good idea in view of what we know at this time. Would I eliminate seafood from my diet because of the potential mercury content? Heck no. I choose the fish wisely and eat it in moderation.

I've really been into shellfish lately anyway.

Oh, don't misunderstand, it has nothing to do with fear. You bring me shrimp and crab legs and I'll eat the shit out of them :tongue: It's just not something I actively seek out. I'm more into chicken and beef.

[Mister D]

Oh, don't misunderstand, it has nothing to do with fear. You bring me shrimp and crab legs and I'll eat the $#@! out of them :tongue: It's just not something I actively seek out. I'm more into chicken and beef.

That was a general comment. not directed at you. Sorry if I gave that impression. It's just weird that in an age when people are living longer on average than ever before we look for things to worry about.

[Green Arrow]

That was a general comment. not directed at you. Sorry if I gave that impression. It's just weird that in an age when people are living longer on average than ever before we look for things to worry about.

It is weird, isn't it? The quality of human life across the globe, but especially in America, has been greatly improved from even just ten years ago, and people just find a new reason to complain.

Meanwhile, I'm potentially having a staring match with Death every day of my life, and I try to find every reason NOT to worry. I even have this thing where if I catch myself saying I or someone else "could have" or "should have" done something, I shrug it off and say, "But they/I didn't, so oh well."

[Mister D]

It is weird, isn't it? The quality of human life across the globe, but especially in America, has been greatly improved from even just ten years ago, and people just find a new reason to complain.

Meanwhile, I'm potentially having a staring match with Death every day of my life, and I try to find every reason NOT to worry. I even have this thing where if I catch myself saying I or someone else "could have" or "should have" done something, I shrug it off and say, "But they/I didn't, so oh well."

What do you mean?

[PolWatch]

Sometimes I wonder if all the increased medical knowledge is really a good thing. Maybe we were better off not knowing that our bodies harbored a trick that it might play.

[Green Arrow]

What do you mean?

Long story involving a hereditary disease that I may or may not have. Mom has it, mom's dad had it, mom's dad's dad had it, one of my mom's cousins on that side of the family has it, so on and so forth.

[Green Arrow]

Sometimes I wonder if all the increased medical knowledge is really a good thing. Maybe we were better off not knowing that our bodies harbored a trick that it might play.

I think that's a good point. At the same time, my wife and I are planning the possibility of us having kids around whether or not I have my mom's disease, because I'm not about to pass it on to my kids. If I have it, we're just going to adopt.

[PolWatch]

Genetic testing is a good thing. I passed a problem to my son before I knew it existed.

[Green Arrow]

Genetic testing is a good thing. I passed a problem to my son before I knew it existed.

Luckily for me, I've known about this disease pretty much all my life. I practically lived at my grandparents, so I watched my grandfather suffer from it from the age of three on until he died Dec. 5, 2006. Then the next year we found out my mom had it, and I've watched her deal with it since. So I'm prepared, needless to say.

[PolWatch]

I don't think I'm ever prepared for something like that...I have thought I was and then...wham! I think it's the difference in intellectual acceptance and gut acceptance....a lot different for me.

[Mister D]

Long story involving a hereditary disease that I may or may not have. Mom has it, mom's dad had it, mom's dad's dad had it, one of my mom's cousins on that side of the family has it, so on and so forth. Oh wow. I didn't know. That must weigh on you.

[Green Arrow]

Oh wow. I didn't know. That must weigh on you.

I'd love to pretend to be 100% philosopher and say nope, I'm over it :tongue: But it does. That's one reason I want to get tested, so I can finally find out one way or another and just get that weight off my shoulders.