Question for biblical scholars

[Captain Obvious]

... or weekend enthusiasts.

Does the New Testament supplant the Old Testament or does the shit in the Old Testament still apply?

Or something else?

I don't mean the historical stuff either. Should my wife be bathing in the river during shark week according to Leviticus? If not - what changed? Why all of the sudden (lol! "all of the sudden") is the Old Testament obsolete?

[Redrose]

... or weekend enthusiasts.

Does the New Testament supplant the Old Testament or does the shit in the Old Testament still apply?

Or something else?

I don't mean the historical stuff either. Should my wife be bathing in the river during shark week according to Leviticus? If not - what changed? Why all of the sudden (lol! "all of the sudden") is the Old Testament obsolete?


The only shit in the Old Testament was on Noah's Ark.

[PolWatch]

Its been a long time since I went to church, but...I was taught that the New Testament is an addition, not a replacement to the Old Testament. That in questions of conflict, the New Testament should be followed (the new, improved version). That was Southern Baptist teaching from a long time ago...no idea if they have changed the rules...they do change the rules occasionally.

[Redrose]

The Old Testament is the basis for Christianity, the Ten Commandments are in the Old Testament.

Jews have only the Old Testament, we Christians have both. The New Testament is a continuation of the OT. Jesus was a Jew, not a Christian. The first Christians were Jewish.

[momsapplepie]

Captain, You wish!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXpRxzmawjw

[PolWatch]

Speaking from a cynical position now, I think the Old Testament is mostly disregarded unless needed for a specific smite! (excluding the Big Ten...they are still approved)

[Peter1469]

The Old Testament is for the Jews- God's chosen people. The New Testament is for the gentiles- us other people.

We love our neighbors as we would have them love us. The Jews get to go bad ass on evil people so long as they follow a lot of what amount to often silly laws.

[Green Arrow]

The Old Testament is for the Jews- God's chosen people. The New Testament is for the gentiles- us other people.

We love our neighbors as we would have them love us. The Jews get to go bad ass on evil people so long as they follow a lot of what amount to often silly laws.

They made sense for the time and most of them still make sense today.

[roadmaster]

The Old Testament is for the Jews- God's chosen people. The New Testament is for the gentiles- us other people.

We love our neighbors as we would have them love us. The Jews get to go bad ass on evil people so long as they follow a lot of what amount to often silly laws.

When did you get to know the Bible. A scholar you are not.

[Green Arrow]

When did you get to know the Bible. A scholar you are not.

Pretty sure Peter is a Christian, so I'd say he knows the Bible as well as any other Christian.

[roadmaster]

The answer is
In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away. (http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Hebrews-8-13/) And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance. (http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Hebrews-9-15/)16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. (http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Hebrews-9-16/)
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth. (http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Hebrews-9-17/)
18 Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood. (http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Hebrews-9-18/)

The old is passed away for He brings better promises and that is life.

[roadmaster]

Pretty sure Peter is a Christian, so I'd say he knows the Bible as well as any other Christian. I don't think so.

[Green Arrow]

I don't think so.

Well, unless you can prove his knowledge of the Bible is lacking, your opinion is kinda worthless.

[roadmaster]

Well, unless you can prove his knowledge of the Bible is lacking, your opinion is kinda worthless. I just did.

[Green Arrow]

I just did.

Where?

[Calypso Jones]

The OT is history of God's chosen people. If you don't have the OT, you don't understand a lot of stuff in the NT and you don't get the references and you don't get that a LOT of prophecy has been fulfilled. Just more proof that what the Bible says is going to happen, IS going to happen. Jesus mentions events and people in that early history.

Not to even mention the fact that the OT up till the atheists got a foothold was actually used and highly regarded for its accuracy.

[roadmaster]

And if you don't realize we live in the NT, you won't get it. Everything that happened before Christ is important but we don't live in that time. He is not going to part the red sea tonight. He is not going to destroy Jerusalem and warn them to go into the mountains, those that believe.

[Green Arrow]

And if you don't realize we live in the NT, you won't get it. Everything that happened before Christ is important but we don't live in that time. He is not going to part the red sea tonight. He is not going to destroy Jerusalem and warn them to go into the mountains, those that believe.

He's also not going to walk on water and turn water into wine, so I'm not sure your analogy follows.

[roadmaster]

He's also not going to walk on water and turn water into wine, so I'm not sure your analogy follows. I answered the question with His words. If you don't understand that is not my problem.

[Green Arrow]

I answered the question with His words. If you don't understand that is not my problem.

Really? I don't remember Jesus saying, "And if you don't realize we live in the NT, you won't get it. Everything that happened before Christ is important but we don't live in that time. He is not going to part the red sea tonight. He is not going to destroy Jerusalem and warn them to go into the mountains, those that believe."

[roadmaster]

Post 11 dealt with the question that was asked.

[iustitia]

I think it all matters. The NT changes a couple things to accommodate the gentiles and their culture. Things like dietary laws and observation of the Sabbath are optional. That said, there's nothing wrong with sticking to what worked for His people. In fact, the NT doesn't really differ a lot from the OT. Sure it's assumed that the OT is hardcore and the NT is softer, but really the things Jesus says and does are fulfillment of the old. In some cases the new things he says are really just recycled from the old Jewish law that the then-modern Jews abandoned. If anything, Jesus was trying to get away from sophistry and back to the basics.

[roadmaster]

The NT changed a lot of things. We no longer have to sacrifice an animal for our sins, for He was the perfect Lamb. But it was always by faith. He gave Moses the Hebrew the first five chapters. Moses believed in Him, Abraham the Hebrew did see Him.

[Peter1469]

Oh boy, textual literalists with a document that has be retranslated numerous times.... :smiley:

[zelmo1234]

I think to answer the question? You would use the words of Jesus.

And he said that he did not come to abolish the law but to fulfill it.

Thus when he died on the cross to atone for the sin of the world, there was no longer a need for blood sacrifice

He stated that it is not what goes in the mouth (food) but what comes out of it (speech) that condemns the soul

So for those trying to toss out the old Testament? The words of the New Testament do not support that

[Brett Nortje]

I think to answer the question? You would use the words of Jesus.

And he said that he did not come to abolish the law but to fulfill it.

Thus when he died on the cross to atone for the sin of the world, there was no longer a need for blood sacrifice

He stated that it is not what goes in the mouth (food) but what comes out of it (speech) that condemns the soul

So for those trying to toss out the old Testament? The words of the New Testament do not support that

There is much wisdom int he new and old testaments. for example, some people do not understand the message against adultery? well it is a betrayal of trust - to put it in more simple terms, it is like ignoring your dog that loves you.

How about that flood? i think it didn't cover the whole world, as where did all the water go? if it was evaporated back into clouds, then we would have a lot more clouds! in fact, i think some of it sank into the soil, and eventually found the earth's core, and, well, evaporated or something. it is possible due to archeology to prove this, hold on;


Soils (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soil) can process and contain considerable amounts of water (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water). They can take in water, and will keep doing so until they are full, or until the rate at which they can transmit water into and through the pores is exceeded. Some of this water will steadily drain through the soil (via gravity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity)) and end up in the waterways (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterway) and streams (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stream), but much of it will be retained, away from the influence of gravity, for use of plants (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plant) and other organisms (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organism) to contribute to land productivity and soil health (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soil_health).

If you were to observe that there are many wells, where did they come from? how about lakes? it could be that the soil around the lakes was retaining water, while the other soil did not, yes?

[TheDictator]

The world today is not under the old testament ( just like we are not under the Articles of Confederation, but now the US Constitution) The old law could not be obeyed with the exception of Jesus Christ. Jesus fulfilled the old Law and by doing so was given the authority to introduce the New Testament and its laws to the world. Just like the Articles of Confederation is an American Constitution, so the Old Testament of the Bible is God's word, but we do not live under it any longer.

[Polecat]

Back to the Captain's question. The Leviticus laws were man's (the Judges) laws adopted by early Israel. They were never part of the covenant between God and Moses but a means for the Children of Israel to deal with one another.

[TheDictator]

The Leviticus laws are God's laws given to Moses to be obeyed by God's people, the problem was they could not do it, So God sent himself as a human being to show the way.

[Polecat]

The Leviticus laws are God's laws given to Moses to be obeyed by God's people, the problem was they could not do it, So God sent himself as a human being to show the way.
I am not on board with that interpretation. The reason being that God does not change. The 10 commandants are still valid yet the 100s of Levitical laws are null and void. We may eat pork. Adultery is still a no no.

But I am no scholar so edify me if you can. I agree with the "Law" being a curse rather than salvation for the people of Israel. So it stands to reason that my interpretation is may be incorrect.

[TheDictator]

Leviticus 1:1-2 states that God's spoke to Moses and gave him the following rules and laws.

[TheDictator]

. The reason being that God does not change.


Yes, The nature of God does not change but the way God deals with man does change from time to time. That is the reason we have different covenants over a long period of time.

[Polecat]

Well I need to read this book again. And again. I did a cover to cover reading over the last several months and currently re reading the New Testament. I was honestly under the impression that many of the laws were of the Levites. I appreciate your insight.