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Howey

12-13-2014, 06:50 PM

Since there's some confusion on this forum regarding this issue, I thought I'd share this:

The roots of the Tea Party go back to the earlier days of the Koch Brothers (http://tobaccocontrol.bmj.com/content/early/2013/02/07/tobaccocontrol-2012-050815.abstract).

Background The Tea Party, which gained prominence in the USA in 2009, advocates limited government and low taxes. Tea Party organisations, particularly Americans for Prosperity and FreedomWorks, oppose smoke-free laws and tobacco taxes.
Methods We used the Legacy Tobacco Documents Library, the Wayback Machine, Google, LexisNexis, the Center for Media and Democracy and the Center for Responsive Politics (opensecrets.org (http://opensecrets.org/)) to examine the tobacco companies’ connections to the Tea Party.
Results Starting in the 1980s, tobacco companies worked to create the appearance of broad opposition to tobacco control policies by attempting to create a grassroots smokers’ rights movement. Simultaneously, they funded and worked through third-party groups, such as Citizens for a Sound Economy, the predecessor of AFP and FreedomWorks, to accomplish their economic and political agenda. There has been continuity of some key players, strategies and messages from these groups to Tea Party organisations. As of 2012, the Tea Party was beginning to spread internationally.
Conclusions Rather than being a purely grassroots movement that spontaneously developed in 2009, the Tea Party has developed over time, in part through decades of work by the tobacco industry and other corporate interests. It is important for tobacco control advocates in the USA and internationally, to anticipate and counter Tea Party opposition to tobacco control policies and ensure that policymakers, the media and the public understand the longstanding connection between the tobacco industry, the Tea Party and its associated organisations.

http://i.imgur.com/3Zbx5hT.jpg

More...This is their first website from 2002:

http://web.archive.org/web/20020913052026/http://www.usteaparty.com/

The website owner is Freedomworks, the activist arm of the Koch Brothers.

https://who.godaddy.com/whoisstd.aspx?domain=usteaparty.com&prog_id=GoDaddy&k=2GpUJmhQ25TBfBu%2fkJSuqLnRM93tJYx4pP01v6qFV0nJoC N7OMl1alTNxvC%2fo+Cf

As you can see, the Tea Party is far from a "grassroots movement". It is, in fact, an unscrupulous maneuver by the Koch Brothers to influence our government, and above all - the people - far more than ever before.

How sad people have fallen for this scam.

Ethereal

12-13-2014, 07:03 PM

The Kochs are social liberals, so that should make you happy, right?

Peter1469

12-13-2014, 07:05 PM

Whatever the Koch Brothers do with there money is one thing. But the Tea Party(ies) (no single group) really got off the ground with this rant on the floor of the stock exchange.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zp-Jw-5Kx8k

This is what the Tea Party is about. Not big government.

Peter1469

12-13-2014, 07:11 PM

The making of the Tea Party(ies)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCEzV_-Qyj4

ace's n 8's

12-13-2014, 07:13 PM

The Kochs are social liberals, so that should make you happy, right?WOW,, you really are off the reservation tonight.

Peter1469

12-13-2014, 07:14 PM

WOW,, you really are off the reservation tonight.

How so?

ace's n 8's

12-13-2014, 07:15 PM

ace's n 8's

12-13-2014, 07:16 PM

How so?Koch Bros.,?? social liberals?? , THAT IS OUT THERE.

Ethereal

12-13-2014, 07:18 PM

WOW,, you really are off the reservation tonight.

Am I?

David Koch Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_H._Koch#Political_career)

People Seem Surprised Yet Again that David Koch Believes Libertarian Things (http://reason.com/blog/2012/08/31/people-seem-surprised-yet-again-that-dav)

David Koch Supports Gay Marriage, Pot Legalization, And Ending Wars — And You Shouldn’t Be Surprised (http://www.mediaite.com/online/david-koch-supports-gay-marriage-pot-legalization-and-ending-wars-and-you-shouldnt-be-surprised/)

PolWatch

12-13-2014, 07:22 PM

ace's n 8's

12-13-2014, 07:24 PM

Am I?

David Koch Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_H._Koch#Political_career)

People Seem Surprised Yet Again that David Koch Believes Libertarian Things (http://reason.com/blog/2012/08/31/people-seem-surprised-yet-again-that-dav)

David Koch Supports Gay Marriage, Pot Legalization, And Ending Wars — And You Shouldn’t Be Surprised (http://www.mediaite.com/online/david-koch-supports-gay-marriage-pot-legalization-and-ending-wars-and-you-shouldnt-be-surprised/)
Libertarians are not social liberals, although it is confusing for some.

Those were said over 35 years ago,, would you happen to have something claiming those assertion's of yours in a more recent time,, people say the strangest things while on the campaign trail, would you not agree?

Mister D

12-13-2014, 07:26 PM

Libertarians are not social liberals, although it is confusing for some.

What would you say then that they are? I'll grant that the terminology is oversimplified.

Bob

12-13-2014, 07:27 PM

anyone who supports fighting the patriot act can't be all GOP:

The Koch brothers each made $10 million grants to the ACLU to fight the Bush administration over the PATRIOT Act (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PATRIOT_Act).[55] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_activities_of_the_Koch_brothers#cite_not e-55)[56] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_activities_of_the_Koch_brothers#cite_not e-reason.com-56) According to Reason magazine that $20 million is "substantially more than the Kochs have contributed to all political candidates combined for at least the last 15 years."[56]

wiki
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_activities_of_the_Koch_brothers#cite_not e-reason.com-56)

I guess Obama is GOP too.

Sen. Hillary Clinton, trying to retrieve momentum after losing the Iowa caucuses, went after Sen. Barack Obama in a Jan. 5, 2008, debate in New Hampshire and charged him with being a flip-flopper."You've changed positions within three years on ... a range of issues that you put forth when you ran for the Senate," Clinton said. "You said you would vote against the Patriot Act, then you came to the Senate, you voted for it."
Clinton questioned how serious Obama is about scrapping the 2001 antiterrorism law, noting that he voted to extend it in early 2006 after pledging as a Senate candidate to scrap or replace the law.
A closer examination reveals that while Clinton's charge is technically correct,

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/jan/06/hillary-clinton/he-fought-to-improve-it-then-voted-for-it/

Peter1469

12-13-2014, 07:31 PM

Koch Bros.,?? social liberals?? , THAT IS OUT THERE.

Not really.

midcan5

12-13-2014, 07:45 PM

The scientist gazes into the mind of a libertarian:

At first there is a ramble of words, freedom, marijuana, small, personal, government, markets, a veritable soup of words then slowly the words form thoughts, I'm not a liberal, I'm not a conservative, not a federalist, not a cave dweller, not for laws, I'm different, I want to be different, I'm a libertarian, yes, a libertarian, no need for government, no need for laws, no need to tell us what to do, we are for freedom, liberty, freedom, liberty, freedom....

Voice calls from above:

Rand, it's time for dinner I made your favorite macaroni and cheese, are you finished your homework .....

http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/17057-Are-libertarians-individualists?p=380845&viewfull=1#post380845

http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/27468-Still-Mine-A-Libertarian-Movie?p=656808&viewfull=1#post656808

http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/22479-Rise-of-the-Libertarians?p=518832&viewfull=1#post518832
http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/26320-Why-Be-Libertarian?p=623689&viewfull=1#post623689

Ethereal

12-13-2014, 07:59 PM

Libertarians are not social liberals, although it is confusing for some.

The heck? What would you call legalizing drugs, open borders, and peace activism?

Those were said over 35 years ago,, would you happen to have something claiming those assertion's of yours in a more recent time,, people say the strangest things while on the campaign trail, would you not agree?

I provided recent stories as well. Try reading them this time: David Koch breaks from GOP on gay marriage, taxes, defense cuts (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0812/80483.html)

ace's n 8's

12-13-2014, 08:01 PM

What would you say then that they are? I'll grant that the terminology is oversimplified.Libertarians.

Ethereal

12-13-2014, 08:02 PM

Mister D

12-13-2014, 08:03 PM

Libertarians.

sigh...

ace's n 8's

12-13-2014, 08:04 PM

The heck? What would you call legalizing drugs, open borders, and peace activism?

I provided recent stories as well. Try reading them this time:

David Koch breaks from GOP on gay marriage, taxes, defense cuts (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0812/80483.html)
The 1980 vice presidential nominee for the socially liberal — but fiscally conservative — Libertarian (http://www.politico.com/tag/libertarian-party)Party (http://www.politico.com/tag/libertarian-party), Koch told POLITICO “I believe in gay marriage” when asked about the GOP’s stance on gay rights.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0812/80483.html#ixzz3LpGOIMcs

And I will agree with some of what he says/believes, but he is still a libertarian.

Mister D

12-13-2014, 08:05 PM

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0812/80483.html#ixzz3LpGOIMcs

And I will agree with some of what he says/believes, but he is still a libertarian.
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He gets that, Ace.

hanger4

12-13-2014, 08:15 PM

ace's n 8's

12-13-2014, 08:18 PM

Libertarians are just classical liberals in modern America. It's not that hard to figure out.
WHAT!?!?!?!, those are 2 entirely different classification.

The founding fathers were classified as 'classic liberals', the meaning of 'liberal' has changed over time.

Those fucking liberals just love to steal everything.

A social liberal loves government intervention over economic policies

Redrose

12-13-2014, 08:22 PM

ace's n 8's

12-13-2014, 08:27 PM

Horse hockey!Nuff said.

Redrose

12-13-2014, 08:34 PM

Nuff said.

Don't waste your time with silly posts like that one. They will believe what suits their view regardless of facts to the contrary.

Peter1469

12-13-2014, 08:38 PM

He didn't mention liberals. He said that today's libertarians are like the classical liberals of the late 1700s. He is right.
WHAT!?!?!?!, those are 2 entirely different classification.

The founding fathers were classified as 'classic liberals', the meaning of 'liberal' has changed over time.

Those fucking liberals just love to steal everything.

A social liberal loves government intervention over economic policies

Codename Section

12-13-2014, 08:40 PM

Libertarians are not social liberals, although it is confusing for some.

Yes, we are. Social liberals and fiscal conservatives. I should know since I am one.

ace's n 8's

12-13-2014, 08:43 PM

Yes, we are. Social liberals and fiscal conservatives. I should know since I am one.It's hard to be a social liberal, and a fiscal conservative in the same breathe, but maybe you can.

Codename Section

12-13-2014, 08:43 PM

WHAT!?!?!?!, those are 2 entirely different classification.

The founding fathers were classified as 'classic liberals', the meaning of 'liberal' has changed over time.

Those fucking liberals just love to steal everything.

A social liberal loves government intervention over economic policies

It doesn't change the original meaning because someone adopted it.

Codename Section

12-13-2014, 08:45 PM

It's hard to be a social liberal, and a fiscal conservative in the same breathe, but maybe you can.

It's easy. I believe people should be allowed to date who they want, marry who they want, put in their body what they want, and basically live how they choose without government even noticing they're doing it to prohibit it with expensive use of force or to placate it and endow it with benefits. Local governments should only step in when someone violates physically the rights of another person.

The government should be constricted to what it was like in 1800 and we'd all have more money in our pockets and more freedom to live our lives as we choose.

ace's n 8's

12-13-2014, 08:46 PM

He didn't mention liberals. He said that today's libertarians are like the classical liberals of the late 1700s. He is right.YES,, YES HE DID,, I miss read it.

I apologize.

ace's n 8's

12-13-2014, 08:47 PM

it's easy. I believe people should be allowed to date who they want, marry who they want, put in their body what they want, and basically live how they choose without government even noticing they're doing it to prohibit it with expensive use of force or to placate it and endow it with benefits. Local governments should only step in when someone violates physically the rights of another person.

The government should be constricted to what it was like in 1800 and we'd all have more money in our pockets and more freedom to live our lives as we choose.yeppers.

Redrose

12-13-2014, 08:50 PM

Was Jesus black?Some contemporary groups suggest Jesus was a black or African Hebrew. Is there evidence for this view? Was Jesus black? No, he was not.

A straightforward look at the history of the life of Jesus in the Gospels notes He was the virgin-born son of a Hebrew woman from the town of Nazareth in the modern-day nation of Israel. A descendant of Jews, Jesus would have certainly been born with a Jewish complexion, typically consisting of an olive, light brown skin tone. This is also supported by the fact that Jesus fit well within His local Jewish culture and was known as being from Nazareth and being a Galilean (Matthew 26:69 (http://biblia.com/bible/esv/Matthew%2026.69)).

Many quickly dismiss the idea of the Jewishness of Jesus as unimportant. However, the Jewish physical background of Jesus is important for a variety of reasons. First, Jesus came as the promised JewishMessiah. This would require Him to be physically Jewish, including features others would recognize as Jewish. The very first verse of the New Testament clearly proclaims the Jewish ethnicity of Jesus: "The book of the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham" (Matthew 1:1 (http://biblia.com/bible/esv/Matthew%201.1)).

Second, the messianic prophecies could not be fulfilled in Jesus unless He was physically Jewish. To be from the tribe of Judah required Jewish lineage. It is evident from passages such as Hebrews 7:14 (http://biblia.com/bible/esv/Hebrews%207.14)," For it is evident that our Lord was descended from Judah," that Jesus was ethnically a Jew.

Third, Jesus could only be rejected and suffer as the Jewish Messiah if He was Jewish. If Jesus had been of another background, the fulfillment of Isaiah 53 of Jesus as the suffering servant of the Jewish people would not have been able to take place. In fact, verse 2 notes, "For he grew up before him like a young plant, and like a root out of dry ground; he had no form or majesty that we should look at him, and no beauty that we should desire him." This prophecy made clear that the looks of the Messiah were not the focus; it was His role that held utmost importance.

Fourth, John 4:22 (http://biblia.com/bible/esv/John%204.22)specifically notes the Jewishness of Jesus from His own perspective: "You [the Samaritans] worship what you do not know; we [the Jews] worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews."

Finally, Jesus was nailed to a cross with a sign that called Him "King of the Jews." To both Jews and Gentiles, Jesus was seen as a Jewish man who claimed to be a king. While He was rejected, His resurrection proved His claim as the Messiah.

The evidence clearly supports the view that Jesus was an ethnic Jew with a Jewish complexion. This Jewish Messiah is the One who calls those of every background to come to Him for salvation (Acts 4:12 (http://biblia.com/bible/esv/Acts%204.12)), offering eternal life to all who believe (John 3:16 (http://biblia.com/bible/esv/John%203.16)).

Read more: http://www.compellingtruth.org/was-Jesus-black.html#ixzz3Lph2AoLm

Howey

12-13-2014, 09:06 PM

Notice when the real Koch brothers came out and not the

usual LWNJ hit piece Howey ain't nowhere to be found.

It just amazes me how the Koch'S are vilified by the left

while they ignore Steyer and Bloomberg and all the rest

of the LW heavy hitters.
It's called having a life.

Do any of you deny the fact that the Koch'S established the moniker "Tea Party" and own the website as proven?

And for the record, I never claimed they were Libertarian. In fact, my belief is that they will be whatever they want if they can get gullible people to believe them.

Codename Section

12-13-2014, 09:18 PM

It's called having a life.

Do any of you deny the fact that the Koch'S established the moniker "Tea Party" and own the website as proven?

And for the record, I never claimed they were Libertarian. In fact, my belief is that they will be whatever they want if they can get gullible people to believe them.

That makes them different than anyone else on the national stage how? If you think that any of those assholes are honest people that care I got some swamp property to sell you.

hanger4

12-13-2014, 09:29 PM

It's called having a life.

Do any of you deny the fact that the Koch'S established the moniker "Tea Party" and own the website as proven?

And for the record, I never claimed they were Libertarian. In fact, my belief is that they will be whatever they want if they can get gullible people to believe them.

Don't care if the Koch's "established the moniker "Tea Party"" just find it highly hypocritical of you and other LWNJ's whining about Koch money while ignoring
LW billionaire donors.

ace's n 8's

12-13-2014, 09:30 PM

Don't care if the Koch's "established the moniker "Tea Party"" just find it highly hypocritical of you and other LWNJ's whining about Koch money while ignoring
LW billionaire donors.''Double standards'', it's in the leftist playbook, Chap.1,, paragraph 3.

Peter1469

12-13-2014, 09:48 PM

The Tea Party(ies) are not a monolithic movement. It is grassroots. I understand that people who worship the state don't grasp that. But it is what it is.

It's called having a life.

Do any of you deny the fact that the Koch'S established the moniker "Tea Party" and own the website as proven?

And for the record, I never claimed they were Libertarian. In fact, my belief is that they will be whatever they want if they can get gullible people to believe them.

Mister D

12-13-2014, 11:25 PM

The Tea Party(ies) are not a monolithic movement. It is grassroots. I understand that people who worship the state don't grasp that. But it is what it is.

The "state" could be awesome. It's just that this one sucks. Perhaps because it's not even a state in the proper sense.

Codename Section

12-13-2014, 11:36 PM

The "state" could be awesome. It's just that this one sucks. Perhaps because it's not even a state in the proper sense.

You just made me spit some of my burrito out.

Mister D

12-13-2014, 11:37 PM

You just made me spit some of my burrito out.

A burrito at 11PM, sir? :rollseyes:

Peter1469

12-13-2014, 11:38 PM

He is young. It is never too late to eat.

Mister D

12-13-2014, 11:43 PM

He is young. It is never too late to eat.

All this crawfish talk is making me hungry.

Peter1469

12-13-2014, 11:43 PM

All this crawfish talk is making me hungry.

It sure is good.

Mister D

12-13-2014, 11:45 PM

It sure is good.

Sorta wasted on my brother who misses Italian food but doesn't like Cajun.

Peter1469

12-13-2014, 11:46 PM

That is what is great about New Orleans. You get both.

Mister D

12-13-2014, 11:51 PM

That is what is great about New Orleans. You get both.

We didn't really eat last time. Just did the museums. I grabbed some red beans and rice at a hole in the wall place. Which was pretty good.

PolWatch

12-13-2014, 11:53 PM

Nawlins has the best muffalettas! I don't remember where it is, but the Gumbo Shop has some good food

ace's n 8's

12-13-2014, 11:54 PM

This is by far the best de-rail I have seen in a while.

PolWatch

12-13-2014, 11:57 PM

This is by far the best de-rail I have seen in a while.

ain't it though? join in...what kind of food makes you think of home?

Mister D

12-13-2014, 11:58 PM

This is by far the best de-rail I have seen in a while.

The tastiest too!

Codename Section

12-14-2014, 12:02 AM

Nawlins has the best muffalettas! I don't remember where it is, but the Gumbo Shop has some good food

I go to Cafe Maspero on Decatur. Peter1469 where do you go for muffalettas?

Redrose

12-14-2014, 12:02 AM

ain't it though? join in...what kind of food makes you think of home?

A big pot of lentils. My dad made the best ever.

PolWatch

12-14-2014, 12:03 AM

Red beans & Rice with sausage...

Codename Section

12-14-2014, 12:06 AM

Here's their muffaletta

http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/02/2a/27/76/muffaletta.jpg

Codename Section

12-14-2014, 12:08 AM

Common

12-14-2014, 12:09 AM

That looks good, ive never had a muffaletta in umm food terms, I love black beans and brown rice, I add spices. I like red rice and beans also.

Redrose

12-14-2014, 12:11 AM

Here's their muffaletta

http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/02/2a/27/76/muffaletta.jpg

What is on that sandwich? Looks good, but fattening.

Common

12-14-2014, 12:11 AM

What makes me think of home is a cherry soda, Cajuns's fried chicken and a biscuit with extra hot sauce. That's what we'd pick up after a Friday night football game and take it down to the beach and sit on the bed of our trucks and talk.

Certain food can ring a bell and make us think about home and our youth.

Codename Section

12-14-2014, 12:13 AM

What is on that sandwich? Looks good, but fattening.

That's the olive dressing which makes it what it is. It's basically just what northerners call a grinder only it has this olive dressing.

Common

12-14-2014, 12:14 AM

That's the olive dressing which makes it what it is. It's basically just what northerners call a grinder only it has this olive dressing.

Some places used to use olive dressing years ago. I loved it, it was olives, olive oil and spices. On a sammich its great.

Codename Section

12-14-2014, 12:16 AM

Some places used to use olive dressing years ago. I loved it, it was olives, olive oil and spices. On a sammich its great.

They're pretty good. Take a bite and it's all over your hands. That's a good sandwich.

PolWatch

12-14-2014, 12:17 AM

its salami, ham, mozzarella, provolone, grated Parmesan, olive relish, olive oil, capers...on Italian bread
I order a 1/2 sandwich & still can't eat it all!

ace's n 8's

12-14-2014, 12:17 AM

They're pretty good. Take a bite and it's all over your hands. That's a good sandwich.
Sloppier the better.

Codename Section

12-14-2014, 12:22 AM

its salami, ham, mozzarella, provolone, grated Parmesan, olive relish, olive oil, capers...on Italian bread
I order a 1/2 sandwich & still can't eat it all!

My mother makes a good one. It's all in the relish.

Redrose

12-14-2014, 01:15 AM

That's the olive dressing which makes it what it is. It's basically just what northerners call a grinder only it has this olive dressing.

In NYC we called them "heroes" or subs...submarines. Now we go to Publix deli and get a 1 ft. hero, several Italian meats and cheeses, olives, onions, banana peppers, lettuce, red vinegar and olive oil. I get it on a 5 grain bread. Love it! (but it's messy to eat)

hanger4

12-14-2014, 07:56 AM

What makes me think of home is a cherry soda, Cajuns's fried chicken and a biscuit with extra hot sauce. That's what we'd pick up after a Friday night football game and take it down to the beach and sit on the bed of our trucks and talk.

"talk" ?? You really expect us to believe that :)

What a waste of a good pick-up.

I thought better of you Codename Section :p

hanger4

12-14-2014, 08:02 AM

This is by far the best de-rail I have seen in a while.

Indeed indeed. The finest I seen also. :)

Peter1469

12-14-2014, 08:20 AM

Nawlins has the best muffalettas! I don't remember where it is, but the Gumbo Shop has some good food

The Gumbo Shop is at 630 Saint. Peters St. - it is very close to Jackson Square. The food can be really good or sometimes not so much. It can be salty so taste before you salt (something I don't do). I get red beans and rice or seafood/okra gumbo.

Watch out, there is another place with a very similar name about a block up Saint Peters closer to Royal Street. It sucks. You can typically tell which is which because the real one has lines and the other does not.

Peter1469

12-14-2014, 08:25 AM

I go to Cafe Maspero on Decatur. @Peter1469 (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=10) where do you go for muffalettas?

Cafe Maspero's is the go to place for Muffalettas. Unfortunately back in the 80s and early 90s if was much better than now. Not that it is bad now. Change of management. Back in the day all the famous newsmen would hang out there when in town and eat and get sloppy drunk. All the big names from back then.

There is another place at the end of Decatur (across from the last stalls of the French Market). Sketchy area. Back when I was in law school an employee robed the place and killed the other employees and put the bodies in the freezer. I think one may have hidden and survived. Anyway, I never ate in the place because it was sketchy, but I would get a muffaletta and sit down outside somewhere and eat it. They were very good.

Peter1469

12-14-2014, 08:27 AM

Sloppier the better.

About everything to do in New Orleans is liable to get sloppy! :shocked:

Chris

12-14-2014, 08:56 AM

Since there's some confusion on this forum regarding this issue, I thought I'd share this:

The roots of the Tea Party go back to the earlier days of the Koch Brothers (http://tobaccocontrol.bmj.com/content/early/2013/02/07/tobaccocontrol-2012-050815.abstract).

http://i.imgur.com/3Zbx5hT.jpg

More...This is their first website from 2002:

http://web.archive.org/web/20020913052026/http://www.usteaparty.com/

The website owner is Freedomworks, the activist arm of the Koch Brothers.

https://who.godaddy.com/whoisstd.aspx?domain=usteaparty.com&prog_id=GoDaddy&k=2GpUJmhQ25TBfBu%2fkJSuqLnRM93tJYx4pP01v6qFV0nJoC N7OMl1alTNxvC%2fo+Cf

As you can see, the Tea Party is far from a "grassroots movement". It is, in fact, an unscrupulous maneuver by the Koch Brothers to influence our government, and above all - the people - far more than ever before.

How sad people have fallen for this scam.

It doesn't seem to me that anyone really addressed howey's misreadings and misconceptions.

First, let's look at his first link: http://tobaccocontrol.bmj.com/content/early/2013/02/07/tobaccocontrol-2012-050815.abstract. He mistitles that as "Koch Brothers." But if you go read the link, it says nothing at all about the Kochs. What it does say is "The Tea Party, which gained prominence in the USA in 2009, advocates limited government and low taxes." But that's what everyone who knows the Tea Parties says.

There's mention of Tea Party Organizations like Americans for Prosperity and FreedomWorks. Howey mentions another, The USA Tea Party. But for none of these does he show any connection to the origins of the Tea Parties. He doesn't even attempt to do what he aimed to do.

So what are these organizations? Basically organizations that support the Tea Parties. Freedom Works offers training in organizing grassroots movements. Do these organizations have interest in the Tea Party movement, of course, they share common goals, as Howey's first link says, again, "The Tea Party, which gained prominence in the USA in 2009, advocates limited government and low taxes."

Do they control or lead the Tea Parties? Howey does nothing to establish this either. Here, in my experience, is how it works. A couple years ago the Kochs donated several million dollars to the Tea Parties, and did this by giving it to FreedomWorks to distribute it, which they did, down to each voting district level Tea Party to use as each saw fit, no strings attached.

Howey, you failed miserably in your attempt. But do try again, it's like shooting ducks in a barrel.

Bo-4

12-14-2014, 10:41 AM

Timely post as it is good to remind them from time to time that there was nothing organic about this scourge on America. ;)

http://blogs.browardpalmbeach.com/pulp/teapartykoch1.jpg

Codename Section

12-14-2014, 10:49 AM

"talk" ?? You really expect us to believe that :)

What a waste of a good pick-up.

I thought better of you @Codename Section (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=866) :p

What kind of self-respecting southern boy would tell you what we were really doing in the back of those trucks. My mama's beat me with a stick!

Codename Section

12-14-2014, 10:53 AM

My biggest pet peeve on liberals Howey exotix Cigar and Bo-4 is yalls propensity for forcing HUGE images on the forum from your leftwing sites so that I am forced to look while I scroll.

Force, force, force is your mode of operations. I have to look at some of the dumbest shit put together by graphic artists instead of you just telling me your point.

/rant

Chris

12-14-2014, 10:54 AM

Timely post as it is good to remind them from time to time that there was nothing organic about this scourge on America. ;)

...

I'll repeat what I'd posted above: "Here, in my experience, is how it works. A couple years ago the Kochs donated several million dollars to the Tea Parties, and did this by giving it to FreedomWorks to distribute it, which they did, down to each voting district level Tea Party to use as each saw fit, no strings attached."

Stop trolling, bo, it's unbecoming.

Chris

12-14-2014, 10:55 AM

Bo-4

12-14-2014, 10:59 AM

My biggest pet peeve on liberals @Howey (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=387) @exotix (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=516) @Cigar (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=294) and @Bo-4 (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1297) is yalls propensity for forcing HUGE images on the forum from your leftwing sites so that I am forced to look while I scroll.

Force, force, force is your mode of operations. I have to look at some of the dumbest shit put together by graphic artists instead of you just telling me your point.

/rant

So, put us on ignore or go to "threaded mode". Either will solve your "scrolling issues". ;-)

Bo-4

12-14-2014, 11:03 AM

I'll repeat what I'd posted above: "Here, in my experience, is how it works. A couple years ago the Kochs donated several million dollars to the Tea Parties, and did this by giving it to FreedomWorks to distribute it, which they did, down to each voting district level Tea Party to use as each saw fit, no strings attached."

Stop trolling, bo, it's unbecoming.

You honestly should stop kidding yourself. ;-)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brendan-demelle/study-confirms-tea-party-_b_2663125.html

Peter1469

12-14-2014, 11:25 AM

Tell Chris how he is kidding himself. In your own words.

You honestly should stop kidding yourself. ;-)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brendan-demelle/study-confirms-tea-party-_b_2663125.html

Chris

12-14-2014, 11:38 AM

You honestly should stop kidding yourself. ;-)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brendan-demelle/study-confirms-tea-party-_b_2663125.html

Did you even bother to go past the title and read the link, speaking of fooling oneself? What the article speaks of are associations. And why wouldn't there be associations among people who all support less taxes, smaller government and more liberty? Do try and make some sense, bo, please.

Chris

12-14-2014, 11:44 AM

Bo-4

12-14-2014, 11:51 AM

Did you even bother to go past the title and read the link, speaking of fooling oneself? What the article speaks of are associations. And why wouldn't there be associations among people who all support less taxes, smaller government and more liberty? Do try and make some sense, bo, please.

Chris, there isn't even a lingering doubt that the couple of dozen Koch Founded shell organizations FULLY controlled by the Kochs were directly involved in decision making, organization of rallies, bussing and feeding of protesters from one site to the next, and ultimate policy decisions.

http://ingienous.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/pic-koch-brothers-organization-chart.jpg

Bo-4

12-14-2014, 11:53 AM

Here's the thing I don't get about liberal progressives re the Tea Parties: The Tea Parties are going after establishment Republicans, not Democrats. Liberal progressives ought to relish that. But, no, they fall for their own liberal progressive media lies.

You're right and it's actually a good thing at this point.

The House TeaFleas are SO intransigent and unwilling to compromise in any manner that establishment Republicans will need help from Dems to get anything done in the next couple of years.

We're less powerless than we'd imagined!

Howey

12-14-2014, 12:06 PM

It doesn't seem to me that anyone really addressed howey's misreadings and misconceptions.

First, let's look at his first link: http://tobaccocontrol.bmj.com/content/early/2013/02/07/tobaccocontrol-2012-050815.abstract. He mistitles that as "Koch Brothers." But if you go read the link, it says nothing at all about the Kochs. What it does say is "The Tea Party, which gained prominence in the USA in 2009, advocates limited government and low taxes." But that's what everyone who knows the Tea Parties says.

There's mention of Tea Party Organizations like Americans for Prosperity and FreedomWorks. Howey mentions another, The USA Tea Party. But for none of these does he show any connection to the origins of the Tea Parties. He doesn't even attempt to do what he aimed to do.

So what are these organizations? Basically organizations that support the Tea Parties. Freedom Works offers training in organizing grassroots movements. Do these organizations have interest in the Tea Party movement, of course, they share common goals, as Howey's first link says, again, "The Tea Party, which gained prominence in the USA in 2009, advocates limited government and low taxes."

Do they control or lead the Tea Parties? Howey does nothing to establish this either. Here, in my experience, is how it works. A couple years ago the Kochs donated several million dollars to the Tea Parties, and did this by giving it to FreedomWorks to distribute it, which they did, down to each voting district level Tea Party to use as each saw fit, no strings attached.

Howey, you failed miserably in your attempt. But do try again, it's like shooting ducks in a barrel.

How can you deny the Koch brothers involvement with the formation of the tea party?

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/FreedomWorks

The nonprofit FreedomWorks is "one of the main political outfits of the conservative movement and an instrumental force within the tea party (http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Tea_Party)," according to Mother Jones.[1] (http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/FreedomWorks#cite_note-armey_resigns-1) While FreedomWorks describes itself as "a grassroots service center"[2] (http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/FreedomWorks#cite_note-2), political scientist Theda Skocpol (http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Theda_Skocpol) has described the group as one of the "big-money funders and free-market advocacy organizations" that "leapt on the bandwagon" of protests in 2009 to advance their existing political agendas.[3] (http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/FreedomWorks#cite_note-3)
FreedomWorks was created in July 2004 from the merger of Citizens for a Sound Economy (http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Citizens_for_a_Sound_Economy) (CSE) and Empower America (http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Empower_America).[4] (http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/FreedomWorks#cite_note-merge-4) FreedomWorks was headed by former Housing and Urban Development Secretary Dick Armey (http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Dick_Armey) until 2012, when he was replaced as President by Matt Kibbe (http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Matt_Kibbe).
Charles G. Koch (http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Charles_G._Koch) and David H. Koch (http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/David_H._Koch) were co-founders of CSE in 1984, but are not active with FreedomWorks.

Furthermore, per the Go Daddy link, the US Tea Party was formed by FreedomWorks in 2002, when the Koch's were active in it's operation.

From Wiki (I normally shy from Wiki, however it links to specific reliable sources):

FreedomWorks originated from a conservative political group funded by David H. Koch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_H._Koch) called Citizens for a Sound Economy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_for_a_Sound_Economy), which in 2004 split into Americans for Prosperity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americans_for_Prosperity), led by President Nancy Pfotenhauer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nancy_Pfotenhauer), and a remainder group which merged with Empower America and was renamed FreedomWorks, led by President and CEO Matt Kibbe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Kibbe).[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreedomWorks#cite_note-7)Dick Armey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Armey), Jack Kemp (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Kemp) and C. Boyden Gray (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C._Boyden_Gray) served as co-chairmen of the new organization with Bill Bennett (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Bennett) focusing on school choice as a Senior Fellow.[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreedomWorks#cite_note-8)[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreedomWorks#cite_note-9)[needs update (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)#Chro nological_items)] Empower America had been founded in 1993 by Bennett, former Secretary of HUD Jack Kemp, former Ambassador Jeane J. Kirkpatrick (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeane_J._Kirkpatrick), and former Representative Vin Weber (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vin_Weber).[10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreedomWorks#cite_note-10) In December 2006, Steve Forbes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Forbes) joined the FreedomWorks board of directors.[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreedomWorks#cite_note-11)

Note the Koch's involvement and donations to the Tea Party groups is unmatched:

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/senate-races/207910-tea-party-hits-reid-with-ethics-charge-over-koch-brothers

Americans for Prosperity, a group backed by the Kochs, reportedly plans to spend $125 million on the midterm elections to help Republicans capture a Senate majority.

Obviously, you are one of those duped by the Koch Brothers:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/cifamerica/2010/oct/25/tea-party-koch-brothers

[QUOTE]In July 2010, David Koch told New York magazine: "I've never been to a Tea Party event. No one representing the Tea Party has ever even approached me." (http://nymag.com/news/features/67285/) But a fascinating new film – (Astro)Turf Wars (http://astroturfwars.org/), by Taki Oldham – tells a fuller story. Oldham infiltrated some of the movement's key organising events, including the 2009 Defending the American Dream (http://defendingthedream.org/beta/) summit, convened by a group called Americans for Prosperity (AFP). The film shows David Koch addressing the summit. "Five years ago," he explains, "my brother Charles and I provided the funds to start Americans for Prosperity. It's beyond my wildest dreams how AFP has grown into this enormous organisation."
A convener tells the crowd how AFP mobilised opposition to Barack Obama's healthcare reforms. "We hit the button and we started doing the Twittering and Facebook and the phonecalls and the emails, and you turned up!" Then a series of AFP organisers tell Mr Koch how they have set up dozens of Tea Party events in their home states. He nods and beams from the podium like a chief executive receiving rosy reports from his regional sales directors. Afterwards, the delegates crowd into AFP workshops, where they are told how to run further Tea Party events.
Americans for Prosperity is one of several groups set up by the Kochs to promote their politics. We know their foundations have given it at least $5m, but few such records are in the public domain and the total could be much higher. It has toured the country organising rallies against healthcare reform and the Democrats' attempts to tackle climate change. It provided the key organising tools that set the Tea Party running.
The movement began when CNBC's Rick Santelli called from the floor of the Chicago Mercantile Exchange (http://www.cnbc.com/id/29283701/Rick_Santelli_s_Shout_Heard_Round_the_World) for a bankers' revolt against the undeserving poor. (He proposed that the traders should hold a tea party to dump derivative securities in Lake Michigan to prevent Obama's plan to "subsidise the losers": by which he meant people whose mortgages had fallen into arrears.) On the same day, Americans for Prosperity set up a Tea Party Facebook page and started organising Tea Party events.

Oldham's film shows how AFP crafted the movement's messages and drafted its talking points. The New Yorker magazine, in the course of a remarkable exposure of the Koch brothers' funding networks, interviewed some of their former consultants. (http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/08/30/100830fa_fact_mayer?currentPage=all) "The Koch brothers gave the money that founded [the Tea Party]," one of them explained. "It's like they put the seeds in the ground. Then the rainstorm comes, and the frogs come out of the mud – and they're our candidates!" Another observed that the Kochs are smart. "This rightwing, redneck stuff works for them. They see this as a way to get things done without getting dirty themselves."
AFP is one of several groups established by the Koch brothers. They set up the Cato Institute, the first free-market thinktank in the United States. They also founded the Mercatus Centre at George Mason University, which now fills the role once played by the economics department at Chicago University as the originator of extreme neoliberal ideas. Fourteen of the 23 regulations that George W Bush put on his hitlist were, according to the Wall Street Journal, first suggested by academics working at the Mercatus Centre (http://astroturfwars.org/).
The Kochs have lavished money on more than 30 other advocacy groups, including the Heritage Foundation, the Manhattan Institute, the George C Marshall Institute, the Reason Foundation and the American Enterprise Institute. These bodies have been instrumental in turning politicians away from environmental laws, social spending, taxing the rich and distributing wealth. They have shaped the widespread demand for small government. The Kochs ensure that their money works for them. "If we're going to give a lot of money," David Koch explained to a libertarian journalist, "we'll make darn sure they spend it in a way that goes along with our intent. And if they make a wrong turn and start doing things we don't agree with, we withdraw funding."
And before you start crying "But Soros and Steyer do it too!", there's a huge difference.

http://mediamatters.org/research/2014/08/27/myths-and-facts-about-the-koch-brothers/200570#liberals

The conservative Media Research Center berated networks for covering the Koch brothers more often than "liberal billionaires," writing: "There are billionaires on both sides of nearly every political battle. The big donors all have influence -Soros, his son Jonathan, Steyer and David and Charles Koch. But the Kochs' donation history was the only one that tended to make news." [Media Research Center, 6/24/14 (http://www.mrc.org/articles/networks-cover-kochs-9-times-more-top-liberals)]
(Continued...)

Howey

12-14-2014, 12:07 PM

Continued...

FACT: Kochs Spend In Conjunction With Their Financial Interests, And Spend More

ABC News: Kochs Are Worth Over 50 Times As Much As Tom Steyer. ABC News reported that the Koch brothers are worth over 50 times as much as Tom Steyer: $81.2 billion to $1.6 billion. The news organization also noted that while the Koch brothers "rarely" make public appearances, Steyer "plans to travel to" many of the states he is campaigning in and "it looks as if he's prepared to be the public face of these efforts." [ABCNews.com, 5/22/14 (http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2014/05/tom-steyer-vs-the-koch-brothers-2014s-battle-of-the-billionaires/)]
Kochs Spend More Than Steyer Or Soros On Elections. The Kochs have spent, and continue to spend, far more to influence elections than Tom Steyer or George Soros who are often portrayed as the Kochs' liberal counterparts:

In the 2012 election cycle, the Koch brothers channeled over $400 million through their groups "active in the 2012 elections," according to the Washington Post. [Washington Post, 1/5/14 (http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/the-players-in-the-koch-backed-400-million-political-donor-network/2014/01/05/714451a8-74b5-11e3-8b3f-b1666705ca3b_story.html)]
This year, the Daily Beast reported that Koch groups plan to spend $290 million on elections. [Daily Beast, 6/13/14 (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/13/koch-brothers-make-climate-activists-new-target.html)]
George Soros personally spent $1 million in the last election, and all his donations were disclosed in "publicly accessible records." [Huffington Post, 4/9/14 (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/09/koch-brothers-liberal-counterpart_n_5113492.html)]
Tom Steyer announced in February that he aimed to raise and match $50 million (for a total of $100 million) through his super PAC for the 2014 elections. [New York Times, 2/17/14 (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/18/us/politics/financier-plans-big-ad-campaign-on-environment.html)]
[/QUOTE]

Finally, money donated by the Koch Brothers largely untraceable thanks to their extensive use of "dark money".

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/09/koch-brothers-liberal-counterpart_n_5113492.html

As billionaire conservatives Charles and David Koch become a focus of Democratic Party attacks (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/harry-reid-war-on-koch-brothers) for their big spending in the 2014 elections, conservatives have argued back that the Kochs' "dark money" is puny compared to the shadowy funds spent by an array of wealthy liberal interests and individuals.
Fingers have been pointed at labor unions (http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303824204579423650900853802), billionaire investor George Soros (http://allenbwest.com/2014/03/reid-calls-koch-brothers-un-american-harry-ever-heard-george-soros/),billionaire environmentalist Tom Steyer (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/31/koch-brothers-spending-_n_5065245.html) and the Tides Foundation (http://washingtonexaminer.com/why-do-the-koch-brothers-get-all-the-sunshine/article/2523869) as the supposed liberal counterparts to the Kochs.
But the numbers just don't add up. And these progressive groups tend to operate in the sunshine of public disclosure, unlike the Kochs' semi-secret political empire.
Let's start with the misunderstanding -- or the deliberate expansion -- of the term "dark money."
Coined in October 2010 by Bill Allison (http://sunlightfoundation.com/blog/2010/10/18/daily-disclosures-10/), editorial director at the Sunlight Foundation, "dark money" was meant to describe the funds spent on elections and election-related issue ads by political nonprofits that are not required to disclose the names of their donors. This money skyrocketed following the Supreme Court's 2010 Citizens United decision.
The term "dark money" does not apply, however, to every nonprofit that does not disclose its donors -- not even to every nondisclosing nonprofit with political goals, broadly speaking, on the left or the right.
"Cato [Institute], Heritage [Foundation] and Center for American Progress aren't dark money groups, and neither is the March of Dimes, which also does not disclose donors," Allison said via email. "I think of Dark Money as the money from undisclosed donors spent to influence the outcome of an election."
What kinds of nonprofits does the term cover? Mainly, "social welfare" nonprofits (organized under section 501(c)(4) of the tax code) and trade associations (organized under section 501(c)(6)), when they spend money to influence electoral outcomes. It can also cover shell corporations that spend on elections and have no other apparent purpose.
Those not included under the "dark money" moniker: public interest nonprofits (organized under section 501(c)(3)), which may be involved in shaping policy but are forbidden to engage in electoral activity, and labor unions (organized under section 501(c)(5)), which can participate in elections but must disclose their donors to the Labor Department.
The Koch brothers run most of their political empire through a network of 501(c)(4) and 501(c)(6) nonprofits, the majority of which spend money directly on elections or fund those that do.
In total, the Koch political empire marshaled $400 million in the 2012 election cycle (http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/koch-backed-political-network-built-to-shield-donors-raised-400-million-in-2012-elections/2014/01/05/9e7cfd9a-719b-11e3-9389-09ef9944065e_story.html)toward groups and efforts that spent money directly in the electoral arena. Not every group that received money from the empire reported spending on elections, but the vast majority of that money went to groups that spent tens of millions on electoral ads -- which must be reported to the Federal Election Commission -- and even more on issue ads that targeted candidates but didn't advocate their electoral victory or defeat -- which is not reported. Koch players included Americans for Prosperity, the American Future Fund and the 60 Plus Association.
Already, Koch-linked dark money groups (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/20/koch-brothers-2014_n_4995698.html) have spent more than $30 million on ads targeting vulnerable Democratic congressional candidates running in the 2014 midterms.
It is the electoral focus of the Koch nonprofits and their sophisticated efforts to shield donors' identities (http://www.propublica.org/article/who-controls-koch-political-network-asmi-slah-tohe) -- plus the vast sums of money they move -- that has brought them the unwanted attention of both Democratic Senate leadership and reporters.
There exists no outside network or organization supporting Democratic Party candidates in elections, while not disclosing its donors, that spends money in comparable amounts.

In conclusion, I'd like to let you know:

a. I never post anything on an internet forum without fulling vetting what I type. There are three types of posts I make, humerous, satirical and/or to point out hypocrisy (I love to see the faux outrage from racists and homophobes when I say f*g or n*gger), or serious like this one.

b. This thread was intended for you, Chris. If only to point out that what you think is the Tea Party isn't what it really is.

Howey

12-14-2014, 12:08 PM

Tell Chris how he is kidding himself. In your own words.

I just did. :)

ace's n 8's

12-14-2014, 12:09 PM

Here's the thing I don't get about liberal progressives re the Tea Parties: The Tea Parties are going after establishment Republicans, not Democrats. Liberal progressives ought to relish that. But, no, they fall for their own liberal progressive media lies.
The leftists in congress are evil manipulators, the tea party endorsed members of Congress are attempting to pull the 'establishment' back away from the line of 'BIPARTISANSHIP', because the tea party endorsed members of Congress can see with open eyes, the unintended consequences of such 'BIPARTISANSHIP'.

Chris

12-14-2014, 12:09 PM

Howey, I'll start responding to your unreadable mess here:

How can you deny the Koch brothers involvement with the formation of the tea party?

I didn't, I explained the association.

Try and be a little more intellectually honest.

Chris

12-14-2014, 12:12 PM

The leftists in congress are evil manipulators, the tea party endorsed members of Congress are attempting to pull the 'establishment' back away from the line of 'BIPARTISANSHIP', because the tea party endorsed members of Congress can see with open eyes, the unintended consequences of such 'BIPARTISANSHIP'.

Right, and that's the association with Congress and the Tea Party: Endorsement, support. No one in Congress is Tea Party but in that sense.

Chris

12-14-2014, 12:15 PM

You're right and it's actually a good thing at this point.

The House TeaFleas are SO intransigent and unwilling to compromise in any manner that establishment Republicans will need help from Dems to get anything done in the next couple of years.

We're less powerless than we'd imagined!

There are no House TeaFleas, well, except to TeaBaggers. But, yes, those supported by the Tea Parties are there to tear government down, as in less taxes, smaller government, more liberty.

Why do you fear liberty so much?

Howey

12-14-2014, 12:20 PM

ace's n 8's

12-14-2014, 12:21 PM

You're right and it's actually a good thing at this point.

The House TeaFleas are SO intransigent and unwilling to compromise in any manner that establishment Republicans will need help from Dems to get anything done in the next couple of years.

We're less powerless than we'd imagined!That's a rather bold statement, considering how the ACA got passed into law, care to recite the'proceedures' of such an atrocity?

ace's n 8's

12-14-2014, 12:22 PM

This nation was founded on compromise.
This nation was founded on bloodshed.

Chris

12-14-2014, 12:24 PM

This nation was founded on compromise.

LOL, any knowledge of Madison would tell you he designed the nation in the Constitution for contention, the conflicting branches, the bicameral Congress. The purpose was to limit government from the monster they knew it could become.