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Alyosha
12-19-2014, 09:21 PM
The occult has been a hobby of mine for years. I discovered Led Zeppelin and that was all she wrote. Anyway, I'm going to start this by pulling from another thread I wrote because as you'll see there are connections to these organizations, Aleister Crowley, the Church of Satan, Kenneth Anger, Roman Polanski, the Process Church and multiple mass murders.

In my Aleister Crowley research I was stumbling on some references which led me to others and finally to this post.

These women all were the muses/girlfriends of famous musicians and all of them were blondes involved in Aleister Crowley's OTO or the Process Church (English version of the Church of Satan) and friends of Kenneth Anger.


Part One Muses:

Anita Pallenberg, dated Brian Jones and then Keith Richards, also slept with Mick Jagger--self-avowed witch. Was also in Barbarella. Several mysterious deaths occurred around her.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6ezje0nsE1qedsibo1_500.jpg


Marianne Faithful, dated John Dunbar, but was best known for being a recording artist and dating Mick Jagger. Because of her he wrote "Sympathy for the Devil" and "You can't always get what you want". Was a member of the Process Church.

http://vintageeveryday.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/mariannefaithfull252822529.jpg


Both Marianne and Anita were friends with Bobby Beausoleil (of Charles Manson fame), both were in Kenneth Anger's Lucifer Rising movie, bother were friends of Polanski and Sharon Tate, and Anita was also friends with Anton Levay and Jayne Mansfield.



Patti Boyd who was married to George Harrison, Eric Clapton (who was the subject of Eric Clapton's Layla), and also had sexy times with Ron Wood.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ss5op2anouk/Tb2ab7CatnI/AAAAAAAAfEA/NfSbV_4daWo/s1600/PATTIE%2BBOYD2.jpg


Patti was friends with Kenneth Anger, Sharon Tate (of the Tate murders) and a devotee of the TM movement

Pamela Debarres was the girlfriend of Mick Jagger (briefly), Michael DeBarres, Alice Cooper, and other rock stars, but is most well known for being the long-time "groupie"/girlfriend of magical guitarist and Crowley devotee Jimmy fucking Page who also was tapped by Kenneth Anger to do the soundtrack for Lucifer Rising

http://blog.gypsywarrior.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/pamela6.jpg


Jayne Mansfield was the B List Marilyn Monroe and a devotee of the Church of Satan. Anton LaVey was so enamored of her that he told people he was going to curse her significant other dead. She and him died in a car crash and LaVey blamed himself (or so he says)

http://www.revolvermag.com/wp-content/gallery/satanists/600full-jayne-mansfield2.jpg


Sharon Tate, was good friends with members of the Process Church (more on them later), wife of "Rosemary's Baby" Polanski, and victim of the famous murders of the Manson family that ended the "hippie" movement.

http://www.doctormacro.com/Images/Tate, Sharon/Annex/NRFPT/Annex - Tate, Sharon_NRFPT_03.jpg

Peter1469
12-19-2014, 09:44 PM
The occult is much more involved in everyday life that anyone realizes.

Alyosha
12-19-2014, 09:53 PM
I'll get to Crowley later (it all leads to him)

Kenneth Anger, filmmaker, gay activist, avowed thelemite and luciferian:

http://moneyteachers.org/images/kenneth_anger.jpg


When asked once if he was a "witch" he grew angry and said "wicca is for women and vaginas, thelema is the power of the male phallus". He was friends with Marianne Faithful, Anita Pallenberg, Jayne Mansfield, Sharon Tate, and Pamela Des Barres, as well as, members of bands like: The Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin, Cream, Blind Faith, The Doors, Hendrix, Black Sabbath, etc.

After meeting Anger the Stones produced Goat's Head Soup and the Satanic Majesty Album.

Anger was also friends with Anais Nin, Andy Warhol, and Dr. Kinsey of the Kinsey Sex Reports fame.

Important fact that will come up later in this series, his father was an important early DOD contractor at Douglas Aircraft (later to be McDonnell Douglas).

He was good friends with Marjorie Cameron, a known witch (he claims she's the only female he met with genuine supernatural powers), and wife of Jack Parsons of NASA and the space project fame (also an actor) and friend to Aleister Crowley. There is a crater on the moon named after Parsons.

It was Anger who gave Marianne Faithful the book which would later Inspire Sympathy for the devil. He even offered Mick Jagger the part of the devil in the movie Lucifer Rising because Faithful was in the movie. Jagger turned them down. According to anger, he also soon after burnt all their occult books and took to sleeping with a wooden crucifix (http://www.esquire.co.uk/culture/features/5483/kenneth-anger/).

Jimmy Page, famous occultist was supposed to do the soundtrack for Lucifer Rising but then heroin happened. So it ended up going to Bobby Beausoleil of Charles Manson fame who finished the soundtrack from prison (he was there for murder).

Anger was also good friends with Dennis Hopper, and Scorsese.

http://assets.esquire.co.uk/images/uploads/fourbythree/_720_43/film-makers-kenneth-anger-bodycopy.jpg

And he's influencing a new group of artists like James Franco, who made Love in the Old Way song and video (Anger is in it)

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTJZawKg7eIThktXeZmReEWHhg7jor7N LMrE_vSlZ_-MFAyk_-f


http://www.reflectionsfromthewall.net/uploads/2/4/6/8/24680235/1604830_orig.jpg

Peter1469
12-19-2014, 09:57 PM
Jack Parsons (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Parsons_%28rocket_engineer%29) was big in the occult. And our rocket program. :shocked:

Alyosha
12-19-2014, 10:05 PM
What is "atheistic satanism"?

Allegedly the Church of Satan started by Anton LeVay in the 1960's is a group of alleged atheists who believe not that satan is a deity but that he is a symbol of man's nature. Their beliefs are what you perceive and feel is right. If you love, that's right. If you want revenge, that's right, too. It is an extension of Crowley's "Do what thou wilt" and a rebellious ant-Christian non-religion, religion.

Is the Church of Satan really atheistic?

Fuck no. For a group of atheists they do a lot of rituals, celebrate the macabre, and when they slip up and say things like they put a curse on Jayne Mansfield's husband, that sort of proves it more or less. Given that lying is acceptable to the Church of Satan because you feel like it and if it helps, do it, why should we believe them?
Kenneth Anger, see above, also calls bullshit and says that LaVey was a practicising, theistic satanist that he had many good times with.

Alyosha
12-19-2014, 10:07 PM
Jack Parsons (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Parsons_(rocket_engineer)) was big in the occult. And our rocket program. :shocked:

Yes, he was. There is a HUGE NASA/DOD connection, that hopefully over time I'll get to when I talk about the Laurel Canyon music scene of The Doors, the Mamas and the Papas, Beach Boys, etc and it will tie to Manson, Anger, LaVey, the Process Church, Berkowitz and our CIA.

Alyosha
12-19-2014, 10:09 PM
Green Arrow you like to research I could use some help on this, if you feel like it ping me.

Green Arrow
12-19-2014, 10:11 PM
Bookmarked!

Peter1469
12-19-2014, 10:11 PM
Yes, he was. There is a HUGE NASA/DOD connection, that hopefully over time I'll get to when I talk about the Laurel Canyon music scene of The Doors, the Mamas and the Papas, Beach Boys, etc and it will tie to Manson, Anger, LaVey, the Process Church, Berkowitz and our CIA.

I met some of those weird occult types when I was still married. The ex didn't believe me when I pointed that stuff out. I suspect she caught on. And is likely deep inside now.

Alyosha
12-19-2014, 10:26 PM
I met some of those weird occult types when I was still married. The ex didn't believe me when I pointed that stuff out. I suspect she caught on. And is likely deep inside now.

Yes, she was pretty. I suspect she's deep in now. I'm having the ink on my back taken off now.

Peter1469
12-19-2014, 10:28 PM
Yes, she was pretty. I suspect she's deep in now. I'm having the ink on my back taken off now.

She was pretty....

She left to go deeper into that nonsense. I offered her a solid foundation and she didn't take it.

But she knows to ask for help when she needs it.

Alyosha
12-19-2014, 10:44 PM
Ties to Frank L. Baum and Oz.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L._Frank_Baum


Lyman Frank Baum (May 15, 1856 – May 6, 1919), better known by his pen name L. Frank Baum, was an American author chiefly known for his children's books (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children%27s_books), particularly The Wonderful Wizard of Oz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wonderful_Wizard_of_Oz). He wrote thirteen novel sequels, nine other fantasy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fantasy) novels, and a host of other works (55 novels in total, plus four "lost (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_work)" novels, 83 short stories, over 200 poems, an unknown number of scripts,[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L._Frank_Baum#cite_note-1) and many miscellaneous writings), and made numerous attempts to bring his works to the stage and screen. His works anticipated such century-later commonplaces as television (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television), augmented reality (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augmented_reality), laptop computers (The Master Key (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Master_Key_%28novel%29)), wireless telephones (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_telephone) (Tik-Tok of Oz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tik-Tok_of_Oz)), women in high risk, action-heavy occupations (Mary Louise in the Country), and the ubiquity of advertising on clothing (Aunt Jane's Nieces at Work (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aunt_Jane%27s_Nieces_at_Work)).


So that's the basic outline of his work, he was also a follower of Theosophy and Blavatsky


Religion Originally a Methodist, Baum joined the Episcopal Church (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Episcopal_Church_in_the_United_States_of_America) in Aberdeen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aberdeen,_South_Dakota) to participate in community theatricals. Later, he and his wife, encouraged by Matilda Joslyn Gage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matilda_Joslyn_Gage), became members of the Theosophical Society (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theosophical_Society) in 1892


This is the standard of the Theosophical Society:

http://vigilantcitizen.productionshardl.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/theosophy-seal-green1.jpg

More about it by its founder:



“But it is perhaps desirable to state unequivocally that the teachings, however fragmentary and incomplete, contained in these volumes, belong neither to the Hindu, the Zoroastrian, the Chaldean, nor the Egyptian religion,.neither to Buddhism, Islam, Judaism nor Christianity exclusively. The Secret Doctrine is the essence of all these. Sprung from it in their origins, the various religious schemes are now made to merge back into their original element, out of which every mystery and dogma has grown, developed, and become materialized.”
-H.P. Blavatsky, The Secret Doctrine

“Theosophical writings propose that human civilizations, like all other parts of the universe, develop cyclically through seven stages. Blavatsky posited that the whole humanity, and indeed every reincarnating human monad, evolves through a series of seven “Root Races”. Thus in the first age, humans were pure spirit; in the second age, they were sexless beings inhabiting the now lost continent of Hyperborea; in the third age the giant Lemurians were informed by spiritual impulses endowing them with human consciousness and sexual reproduction. Modern humans finally developed on the continent of Atlantis. Since Atlantis was the nadir of the cycle, the present fifth age is a time of reawakening humanity’s psychic gifts. The term psychic here really means the realization of the permeability of consciousness as it had not been known earlier in evolution, although sensed by some more sensitive individuals of our species.”



From Theosophy Baum got his "feminist" roots, was active in women's suffrage and explored these ideas in his Oz books, as well as, ideas of mysticism, he says about inserting these concepts into writing:


“There is a strong tendency in modern novelists towards introducing some vein of mysticism or occultism into their writings. Books of this character are eagerly bought and read by the people, both in Europe and America. It shows the innate longing in our natures to unravel the mysterious: to seek some explanation, however fictitious, of the unexplainable in nature and in our daily existence. For, as we advance in education, our desire for knowledge increases, and we are less satisfied to remain in ignorance of that mysterious fountain-head from which emanates all that is sublime and grand and incomprehensible in nature.”

SNIP

“The appetite of our age for occultism demands to be satisfied, and while with the mediocrity of people will result in mere sensationalism, it will lead in many to higher and nobler and bolder thought; and who can tell what mysteries these braver and abler intellects may unravel in future ages?”
-L. Frank Baum, Aberdeen Saturday Pioneer, February 22nd 1890

None of this seems bad, evil, etc. It's very normal and exploratory. Exactly as I have done, as Dostoyevsky did, as many others have done. Interestingly though later when the idea for Oz came to him he says,


“It was pure inspiration…It came to me right out of the blue. I think that sometimes the Great Author has a message to get across and He has to use the instrument at hand. I happened to be that medium, and I believe the magic key was given me to open the doors to sympathy and understanding, joy, peace and happiness.”
-L. Frank Baum, cited by Hearn 73

And suddenly we're back to words that sound very Freemason-ish, Great Architect, Great Author, etc.

For a Great Analysis of Oz as an Occult Tale click HERE. (http://vigilantcitizen.com/moviesandtv/the-occult-roots-of-the-wizard-of-oz/)

In general though these books were courted by Hollywood for years, and in fact there was a huge bidding war between Disney and MGM. They've inspired all sorts of interesting occult ventures and those interested in Luciferianism and Satanism are also usually interested in the Wizard of Oz... People like Bobby Beausoleil (see above) a murderer, friend of Mansons, and a friend of Kenneth Anger's.

His band's name was The Magic Powerhouse of Oz.

Green Arrow
12-19-2014, 10:57 PM
James Franco started a band called "Daddy." Looking at one of their music videos, it's actually ridiculous just how much Satanic/Occultic/Luciferian symbolism there is in it. With Franco, you can't really deny the connection because it's so blatantly obvious. Observe:

http://illuminatiwatcher.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/IlluminatiWatcherDotCom-James-Franco-Daddy-1.jpg

The candle and flame represent Lucifer. Lucifer's name means "Illuminated One" or "Lightbringer."

http://illuminatiwatcher.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/IlluminatiWatcherDotCom-James-Franco-Daddy-1_5.jpg

The black and white checkerboard, and contrasting black and white colors in general, are a big part of the symbolism of Freemasonry and the occult. It represents the duality of man, and is also a trigger for activating occult slaves.

http://illuminatiwatcher.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/IlluminatiWatcherDotCom-James-Franco-Daddy-2.jpg

Animals, particularly goats and owls, are major occult symbols. The goat has been used frequently for the devil and other demonic figures. The owl symbolizes the demon Moloch.

http://illuminatiwatcher.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/IlluminatiWatcherDotCom-James-Franco-Daddy-3.jpg

This here is numerology, the cross, the Satanic star, and some other things.

http://illuminatiwatcher.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/IlluminatiWatcherDotCom-James-Franco-Daddy-4.jpg

Dodecahedron with the number 12, representing the zodiac, also represents the universe with the sun in the center.

http://illuminatiwatcher.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/IlluminatiWatcherDotCom-James-Franco-Daddy-9.jpg

This is a theremin instrument, and appears multiple times in the video. You play it by moving your hands closer to the brass, and in different ways it makes sound. The theremin instrument is a connection to famed occultist Charles Manson.

http://illuminatiwatcher.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/IlluminatiWatcherDotCom-James-Franco-Daddy-6.jpg

Flashes of Aleister Crowley intermixed with scenes of ancient ritual marriages and such.

http://illuminatiwatcher.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/IlluminatiWatcherDotCom-James-Franco-Daddy-7.jpg

A skull, along with some more animal masks. The snakes on the candle holders are also related to occult serpent worship. The priest there in the middle is Kenneth Anger, who @Alyosha (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=863) has already addressed.

Also, James Franco played Oz in "Oz the Great and Powerful," which connects right back to L. Frank Baum.

Alyosha
12-19-2014, 11:05 PM
It's not even subtle anymore. I am tempted to go quicker on this one but I really need to tie it all to Anger, Polanski, and the alleged Manson Killings.

I'm going to try and get in touch with smoopy.
Green Arrow we need to get out own podcast Peter1469 are you interested?

Someone look up how we get a podbean or whatever.

Green Arrow
12-19-2014, 11:06 PM
It's not even subtle anymore. I am tempted to go quicker on this one but I really need to tie it all to Anger, Polanski, and the alleged Manson Killings.

I'm going to try and get in touch with smoopy.
@Green Arrow (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=868) we need to get out own podcast @Peter1469 (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=10) are you interested?

Someone look up how we get a podbean or whatever.

I'll look it up. I have to take my siblings to meet my dad at EvilMart in an hour but when I get back I can help you do more stuff.

Alyosha
12-19-2014, 11:07 PM
And then after the Laurel Canyon ties to Manson and rock we can get to how that relates to the same professors involved in the MK Ultra CIA experiments.

Alyosha
12-19-2014, 11:07 PM
I'll look it up. I have to take my siblings to meet my dad at EvilMart in an hour but when I get back I can help you do more stuff.

Thanks sweet pea.

Green Arrow
12-19-2014, 11:08 PM
Alyosha, I just got the Podbean mostly set up. All I need now is a username. What do you think we should call it?

Alyosha
12-19-2014, 11:13 PM
@Alyosha (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=863), I just got the Podbean mostly set up. All I need now is a username. What do you think we should call it?

Climbing Parnassus

(highest point on a mountain in near the oracle of Delphi)

that popped into my head, what do you think? Something catchier and more in touch with what people would search on.

Green Arrow
12-19-2014, 11:15 PM
Climbing Parnassus

(highest point on a mountain in near the oracle of Delphi)

that popped into my head, what do you think? Something catchier and more in touch with what people would search on.

I like that one, but if you want something catchier and more searchable, something along the lines of LibertyCast or FreedomMarch.

Peter1469
12-19-2014, 11:46 PM
It's not even subtle anymore. I am tempted to go quicker on this one but I really need to tie it all to Anger, Polanski, and the alleged Manson Killings.

I'm going to try and get in touch with smoopy.
@Green Arrow (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=868) we need to get out own podcast @Peter1469 (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=10) are you interested?

Someone look up how we get a podbean or whatever.

I am in.

Alyosha
12-21-2014, 03:08 PM
Green Arrow Peter1469

do we have out podbean set up or do we want to try soundcloud?

Green Arrow
12-21-2014, 06:46 PM
I have it pretty much set up, we just need to name it, give it a descriptor, and then put up some casts.

The Wash
12-31-2014, 12:37 PM
You have to be spiritually armed to study these things or it follows you home.

All I'm saying.

iustitia
01-05-2016, 07:07 PM
Took me a minute to find this thread. I really wish Alyosha was still around. I wanted to collab with her on this kind of stuff.

Mini Me
01-08-2016, 11:04 PM
Yep, I miss Alyosha. Wish she were here!

Mini Me
01-13-2016, 12:32 AM
Y'all should read the telling book; "Ultimate Evil" by Maury Terry! Its a blockbuster.

Berkowitz was a part of a national killer cult, including the Manson Family! The cult was centered in N. Dakota.
When I lived in the spooky Santa Cruz Mountains, a village nearby called Lompico, there was a portable crematorium on wheels run by the Mansons!Lompico was off limits to sane people, and noted for heroin addicts, deranged hippies, and drug induced sex orgies!

Lt. Colonel Micahel Aquino was with the Temple of Set, and ran a ring of devil worshiping pedophiles!

http://www.usa-anti-communist.com/ard/images2/NSA_screens/Michael_Aquino_Satanic_NSA_animated_bullseye_2.gif Michael Aquino, but with a slightly ...">

Manson lived only a few houses down the street from Anton laVey's Church of Satan ,in San Francisco, and was a Scientolgist as well! He also studied under the gangster, Creepy Karpis in prison, to learn how to control people.

Ken Keysey, of the "magic bus" fame and author of "One Flew Over the Kookus Nest" was a patient under the CIA's MK Ultra mind control program.

I met Squeaky Fromme one day at a swimming pool in West Covina, before she joined the Manson Family. It was thru Joe Sandino. crack flamenco quitar teacher I worked with, her best friend. She was sitting on the pool coping, in a tiny bikini, reading a book. Quiet girl.

And I met Gypsy, up on the Russian River in a club called the "Losers Club" one night. Another Manson girl, who knew a lot about the cult.

Terry's book is frightening, as it exposes the whole evil network!

Standing Wolf
01-13-2016, 08:13 AM
Virtually all of the celebrity tie-ins (the musicians, in particular) to occultism and satanism seem to be mostly just a matter of bored, creative people with money playing around with trendy symbolism. As for Anton LaVey, I believe I've probably read everything ever written on the man, including things by his closest family members, and it seems pretty clear that he did not believe in the existence of the supernatural - that he was, in fact, a materialistic atheist whose philosophy was more akin to Ayn Rand by way of Hugh Hefner.

Rebel Son
01-13-2016, 11:56 AM
Virtually all of the celebrity tie-ins (the musicians, in particular) to occultism and satanism seem to be mostly just a matter of bored, creative people with money playing around with trendy symbolism. As for Anton LaVey, I believe I've probably read everything ever written on the man, including things by his closest family members, and it seems pretty clear that he did not believe in the existence of the supernatural - that he was, in fact, a materialistic atheist whose philosophy was more akin to Ayn Rand by way of Hugh Hefner.

You have to look at the era, while I've not read everything here and can't profess to know everything posted I was involved in may acid trips and other drugs. People of a feather really, after doing dope for so long you can actually believe what your mind tells you. I'm figuring most of these people were basically messed up all the time which would account for some of the crazyness. I know for a fact that while messed up beyond normal human concept I've swayed others thinking to something off the wall.

That in itself is important for many reasons, while not remembering everything the subliminal aspect remains and in my experience will manifest itself at some point. Possibly I might remember it later, maybe not. Fact remains this was the age of some really good Microdot and Osley, to think that they in control of every day life, possibly to the point that they were able to function well is accepted IMO. I could as well and only somebody who knew me well MIGHT know I was so screwed up that normality didn't enter the picture.

I've read some on Crowley but am not versed enough to say he believed what he said. I'm just throwing out that theory since like I said, haven't read and reaserched the entire thread. Interesting though.

Standing Wolf
01-13-2016, 12:26 PM
I was stationed in the Bay area in the late '70s, and a guy that I flew with invited my wife and me to his Conservative Baptist Church one evening for a special service. The guest speaker called himself Johnny Todd, and he claimed to have been a Satanist High Priest - now on the run and in hiding from his former colleagues.

I wish that I had a recording of his presentation, but I do still vividly remember a number of the things he said...among them that all recording artists, record company executives, and all but a very few members of Congress were practicing Satanists, and that he had once been present at a human sacrifice presided over by George McGovern. Debby Boone's cover of "You Light Up My Life" was at the top of the charts at that time, and Todd "revealed" that it was, in fact, an ode to Satan. All of the well-known Christian evangelists and t.v. preachers of the day were "revealed" to be Satanists; I recall him saying "...and Billy Graham is the worst!"

Members of the congregation ate it up. Of course Johnny Todd needed money, ostensibly to establish some kind of "safe house" where he and his fellow former Satanists could hide out, and a collection was taken up for that purpose.

A year or so later, I happened upon an article exposing Todd's weird and frequently criminal history in a copy of Christianity Today.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Todd_(conspiracy_theorist)

Quite a few of Todd's claims about his personal history were echoed in the "testimony" of his contemporary and fellow Fundamentalist Christian talk circuit speaker Mike Warnke. Warnke was actually a pretty funny guy and recorded a couple of comedy albums, which I think I still have squirreled away someplace, but it turns out that he was as full of it as Todd.

Rebel Son
01-13-2016, 02:01 PM
People say many things Wolf, mostly what benefits them directly. While Manson is made out to be some evil person, was he really or some dope head that said something stupid that the people who made him out to be some sort of god took literal. Personally I think him a very smart person, although fucked in the head proven by some of the crap he has spewed. Quite sure he has access to dope in prison however and can get the good stuff on a reg basis. I know a guy who told the medical team in prison he had dreams of killing people and they gave him thorazine on a weekly basis that he took as he saw fit. Other drugs are easily obtained as well by guards bringing them in and other means. Yes, I know because I've been there long ago. Haven't looked back and clean for anybody who wants to run that up the flag pole.....Just saying.

Having been a so called LOL musician at one point in my life I could get higher than bird Pu**y and write things that I couldn't even play the next day. Didn't have the skill unless in an altered state, there in lies the simple answer for most of the people in this thing. Cult of Personality of sorts, some that would be to themselves, for others it would be to Crowley. I think this more to the point rather than a bunch of devil worshipers. Biting the head off a bat, like Ozzie (supposed did), or doping all night was much more appealing to the crowd than sitting around and watching gunsmoke to the average child of the day.

Take the era away and substitute Jim Jones in his time into the equation and you get the same thing only worse. People looking for something will blindly follow to the pits of hell?

McCool
01-16-2016, 01:56 PM
You have to be spiritually armed to study these things or it follows you home.

All I'm saying. I'm spiritually armed and I would never study that stuff out. I think there's more than enough of it around us as it is.