Does ANYONE want to see a Bush/Clinton race?

[Bo-4]

Please God, spare us.

http://images.politico.com/global/2014/12/17/clinton_bush_wuc_905.jpg

[Cigar]

http://editorialcartoonists.com/cartoons/RallT/2014/RallT20141222_low.jpg

[nic34]

They can run for Governor of New Jersey.

[Bo-4]

The best death camp guard? LoL :grin:

[Bo-4]

They can run for Governor of New Jersey.

That's a grand idea. Hell, give me something like Christie vs Warren. THAT right there would be entertaining! :D

[hanger4]

Please God, spare us.

NO

[GrassrootsConservative]

Big government people would love big government candidates like Bush and Clinton. It's a win win for them and a lose lose for America that way.

[bajisima]

Big government people would love big government candidates like Bush and Clinton. It's a win win for them and a lose lose for America that way.

So agree. A Clinton/Bush election is a win for Wall Street.

[The Sage of Main Street]

Please God, spare us.

http://images.politico.com/global/2014/12/17/clinton_bush_wuc_905.jpg

Let dynasties be dust.

[PolWatch]

but dynasties work so well...look at North Korea!

[The Sage of Main Street]

The best death camp guard? LoL :grin: Not so funny when the dynastic plutes' preppy pukes don't have to fight in the wars their Daddies cause. The Draft Board is a death panel.

[Calypso Jones]

How would I like to see a Bush Clinton race? Off a long pier...oh yes.

[texan]

I don't.........But on the other hand I wouldn't mind seeing Hillary lose again, cause a democrat ain't winning this time around. Not to mention I would love to see Obama knifing her in the back.

[Bo-4]

but dynasties work so well...look at North Korea!

Lol PW, neither candidate QUITE meets the OON-EEL criteria, but it'd be boring beyond words.

Personally.. i like ENTERTAINMENT in politics.

Of course, it's a serious matter but Americans demand their popcorn-worthy moments dammit! :D

[Bo-4]

How would I like to see a Bush Clinton race? Off a long pier...oh yes.

My hunch CJ is that it won't happen even though the polls right now say it will.

And i like your long pier concept!

[Bo-4]

I don't.........But on the other hand I wouldn't mind seeing Hillary lose again, cause a democrat ain't winning this time around. Not to mention I would love to see Obama knifing her in the back.

You SERIOUSLY think O would "knife her in the back" if she won the nomination?

BAH, i command you to Heck!

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090512153758/dilbert/images/b/b4/Saint_dogbert.jpg

[PolWatch]

It's interesting to see how many partisans of either stripe are not enthusiastic about a Bush/Clinton re-run!

I have a few picks of my own but they are those that would be so entertaining SNL would send them campaign donations!

[Bo-4]

Well this is good, NOBODY wants to see a Bush/Clinton race, but as Grassroots studiously pointed out (he's right btw) ....

Big government people would love big government candidates like Bush and Clinton. It's a win win for them and a lose lose for America that way.

[Peter1469]

vote 3rd party

[Bo-4]

vote 3rd party

Yep, and lose every time.

Better idea Peter? Make the Tea Party an actual 3rd party.. then enjoy losing for the rest of your life! :cool:

[nic34]

Vote in the primaries!

[Alyosha]

Warren would need large corporate donors to win. Obama started as a "never going to take money from corporations" candidate then changed when Hillary was kicking his ass. To win the nod she'd need to lose her populist street cred or ...lose. I think she'll refuse it and it will be Hillary this time, her the next.

For Rand to win he'd have to back down from his anti-DOD budget comments and I'm not sure he'll do that or he'll lose credibility and Hillary would win anyway.

We're looking at Bush-Clinton.

[Bo-4]

Not so funny when the dynastic plutes' preppy pukes don't have to fight in the wars their Daddies cause. The Draft Board is a death panel.

Just for Sage! :cool:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQqHzPzQsMg

[Peter1469]

Yep, and lose every time.

Better idea Peter? Make the Tea Party an actual 3rd party.. then enjoy losing for the rest of your life! :cool:

I consider those who support the establishment of both parties to be the real losers. You get what you deserve. :smiley:

[Bo-4]

Warren would need large corporate donors to win. Obama started as a "never going to take money from corporations" candidate then changed when Hillary was kicking his ass. To win the nod she'd need to lose her populist street cred or ...lose. I think she'll refuse it and it will be Hillary this time, her the next.

For Rand to win he'd have to back down from his anti-DOD budget comments and I'm not sure he'll do that or he'll lose credibility and Hillary would win anyway.

We're looking at Bush-Clinton.

Aly, you just made me cry just before Christmas.

Thanks a lot!

[Bob]

I have come to the conclusion that it does not matter who becomes president on this forum. They don't believe we ever had a good one and if we follow their lead, we never will have one. A third party person is third party because they lack experience.

[Peter1469]

I have come to the conclusion that it does not matter who becomes president on this forum. They don't believe we ever had a good one and if we follow their lead, we never will have one. A third party person is third party because they lack experience.

The establishment of both parties is the same coin. Two different sides. Most people fall for it.

[Mac-7]

It's interesting to see how many partisans of either stripe are not enthusiastic about a Bush/Clinton re-run!

I have a few picks of my own but they are those that would be so entertaining SNL would send them campaign donations!

Why should a conservative republican want an asshole like Jeb representing the party?

[Bob]

The establishment of both parties is the same coin. Two different sides. Most people fall for it.

Not entirely. But so what? It is what we have. Any party can claim to be on the opposite side of the two major parties.

[ace's n 8's]

Please God, spare us.

http://images.politico.com/global/2014/12/17/clinton_bush_wuc_905.jpgNo.

[Chris]

So who are the small government candidates? I don't see any. Get NOTA on the ballot.

[Peter1469]

Not entirely. But so what? It is what we have. Any party can claim to be on the opposite side of the two major parties.

You have had at least 16 years of the same old same old, and you still don't get that the two parties (establishment) are working together.

The masses deserve what they vote for.

[Bob]

You have had at least 16 years of the same old same old, and you still don't get that the two parties (establishment) are working together.

The masses deserve what they vote for.

So are the third parties. Don't you get it? None have clean hands.

[Peter1469]

So are the third parties. Don't you get it? None have clean hands.

You don't get it Bob. If you vote (D) or (R) you are the problem.

[Chris]

Jeb and Hillary could beat each other up over this:

As Obamacare Boosts Tenet Healthcare, Jeb Bush And Hillary Clinton Win (http://www.forbes.com/sites/brucejapsen/2014/12/21/as-obamacare-boosts-tenet-healthcare-jeb-bush-and-hillary-clinton-win/)


Just five days before Tenet Healthcare THC -0.29% board member and former Florida governor Jeb Bush said last week he would form an exploratory committee to run for President of the United States, the giant hospital operator said it would sponsor a major event with ties to Hillary Clinton near Palm Springs in January.

If the polls are correct, it means Tenet, a big benefactor of the Affordable Care Act, has close relationships with the front-runners for the 2016 presidential nominations of the nation’s two political parties. And the for-profit hospital chain isn’t shy about hyping its ties to either presidential hopeful.

In a corporate announcement Dec. 11, Tenet touted its “presenting” sponsorship of the “Clinton Health Matters Activation Summit,” which is put on by the Bill, Hillary & Chelsea Clinton Foundation.

...Tenet, which operates two of its 80 hospitals in the affluent Coachella Valley where the summit will take place, has been a strong supporter of the Affordable Care Act. The law has helped Tenet increase admissions and revenue growth not seen in years.

Jeb Bush has been a Tenet board member since 2007. As speculation increases about a Jeb Bush candidacy for the GOP nomination, more coverage has emerged with at least one report saying he has an “Obamacare problem.” Bush, the son of and brother of presidents, has criticized the health law but has made more than $2 million as a Tenet board member, the New York Times reported earlier this year. Other more recent reports have cited Bush along with Tenet’s string of health care fraud probes and settlements with regulators.


Best government money can buy.

[PolWatch]

Jeb and Hillary could beat each other up over this:

As Obamacare Boosts Tenet Healthcare, Jeb Bush And Hillary Clinton Win (http://www.forbes.com/sites/brucejapsen/2014/12/21/as-obamacare-boosts-tenet-healthcare-jeb-bush-and-hillary-clinton-win/)




Best government money can buy.

don't ya wish you had enough money to buy some?

[Chris]

don't ya wish you had enough money to buy some?

I'd pay to have it and them just go away.

[Mac-7]

You don't get it Bob. If you vote (D) or (R) you are the problem.

If you fail to vote R then the D wins.

So you are voting D whether you realize it or not.

[Chris]

If you fail to vote R then the D wins.

So you are voting D whether you realize it or not.


More pure partisan illogic. :facepalm:

[Mac-7]

More pure partisan illogic. :facepalm:

We are discussing voters here, which does not apply to you.

[Chris]

We are discussing voters here, which does not apply to you.

My comment was about the illogic of partisan voters like you, mac, right on topic and target.

[Mac-7]

My comment was about the illogic of partisan voters like you, mac, right on topic and target.

And my comment was about nonpartisan nonvoters like you and why your opinion does not matter.

[Peter1469]

If you fail to vote R then the D wins.

So you are voting D whether you realize it or not.

Incorrect. But that sort of "logic" has given us the same failed leadership for a couple of decades now. Congratulations.

[Chris]

And my comment was about nonpartisan nonvoters like you and why your opinion does not matter.

And you illogically contradict yourself by responding again to an opinion you say doesn't matter. You can't win for losing.

[Mac-7]

Incorrect. But that sort of "logic" has given us the same failed leadership for a couple of decades now. Congratulations.

In the case of libertarians who never win it gives us a less focused Republican Party than it would be if the independents were not milling around on the sidelines.

[Chris]

It can't be that Reps offer nothing better than Dems, can't be that Reps are not every bit as crony and corrupt as Dems, can't be that Reps don't suck every bit as much as Dems, no, it's got to be those who don't vote for Reps, yea, that's the ticket.

[Peter1469]

In the case of libertarians who never win it gives us a less focused Republican Party than it would be if the independents were not milling around on the sidelines.

Easy solution. Stop nominating democrats lite.

[Mac-7]

Easy solution. Stop nominating democrats lite.

We could use a little help from libertarians lounging on the sidelines in their recliners.

We're trying to win the contest and present the trophy to you for your approval.

But the establishment repubs are entrenched and pretty tough opposition.

[Peter1469]

We could use a little help from libertarians lounging on the sidelines in their recliners.

We're trying to win the contest and present the trophy to you for your approval.

But the establishment repubs are entrenched and pretty tough opposition.

Right. Stop supporting them.

[Mac-7]

Right. Stop supporting them.

And become a mere spectator like you and Chris?

No thanks.

a better way is to engage and defeat the establishment at their own game.

But that won't happen as long as your kind refuses to even try.

[Chris]

And become a mere spectator like you and Chris?

No thanks.

a better way is to engage and defeat the establishment at their own game.

But that won't happen as long as your kind refuses to even try.

Right, join them to defeat them. Utterly lacking in logic.

[Peter1469]

I said stop supporting the establishment.



And become a mere spectator like you and Chris?

No thanks.

a better way is to engage and defeat the establishment at their own game.

But that won't happen as long as your kind refuses to even try.

[Matty]

Keep in mind the so called third party independents caucus with democrats. They are nothing more than democrats.

[Chris]

Keep in mind the so called third party independents caucus with democrats. They are nothing more than democrats.

Some might, like socialist Bernie Sanders. But you're overgeneralizing.

[Bo-4]

if you fail to vote r then the d wins.

So you are voting d whether you realize it or not.

SHUSH dammit! :D

[Bo-4]

Incorrect. But that sort of "logic" has given us the same failed leadership for a couple of decades now. Congratulations.

What makes you think that if an indy or third party candidate were to win, they'd be any better?

There are good Ds and good Rs. But PLEASE keep voting for guys who can't win!!

[Peter1469]

What makes you think that if an indy or third party candidate were to win, they'd be any better?

There are good Ds and good Rs. But PLEASE keep voting for guys who can't win!!

The establishment of both parties are demonstratively against the people. You people just carry on voting against your interests.

[Ransom]

And become a mere spectator like you and Chris?

Exactly. You're either part of the solution, or you're part of the problem, Chris and Pete definitely not part of any solution.


No thanks.

Me either.


a better way is to engage and defeat the establishment at their own game.

Exactly. Make changes from within. Many wail on about Party and establishment....and think the answer is to not show up at all, not participate. Criticize from the outside looking in. Fence sit.


But that won't happen as long as your kind refuses to even try.

Why try, that's difficult. Easier to bitch and moan from afar, tell everyone else what's wrong with them. Fence sit.

[Mac-7]

Exactly. You're either part of the solution, or you're part of the problem, Chris and Pete definitely not part of any solution.



Me either.



Exactly. Make changes from within. Many wail on about Party and establishment....and think the answer is to not show up at all, not participate. Criticize from the outside looking in. Fence sit.



Why try, that's difficult. Easier to $#@! and moan from afar, tell everyone else what's wrong with them. Fence sit.

The fence sitters are most afraid of being blamed for what's wrong.

Dropping out like 1960s hippies is their way of avoiding responsibility.

As a repub they rake me over the coals all the time for mistakes that bush made.

And to a certain extent I have to take because I made the tough choice and voted for him.

But fence sitters never have to answer for the consequences of their decisions.

[Ransom]

The fence sitters are most afraid of being blamed for what's wrong.

Dropping out like 1960s hippies is their way of avoiding responsibility.

Well said and quite appropriate.


As a repub they rake me over the coals all the time for mistakes that bush made.

They were told this of that Bush policy was a mistake. Whatever they're told to do, they'll do. It's a herd mentality you see displayed time and again in here.


And to a certain extent I have to take because I made the tough choice and voted for him.

But fence sitters never have to answer for the consequences of their decisions.

I voted for him twice..and am still proud of that fact. And of course Bush made mistakes, those that make no mistakes...aren't f'n trying. The media and Democrats in a most disingenuous manner retold the Bush Presidency, the sheep that listened did so wanting to her what they were being told. You'll find most when starting to harp off about the Bush Presidency, the Iraq War, or any Bush policy initiatives, they've no clue what they're yawning on about.

[Bo-4]

The establishment of both parties are demonstratively against the people. You people just carry on voting against your interests.

The only guys voting against their own self-interests are poor southern NASCAR fans.

[Mac-7]

The only guys voting against their own self-interests are poor southern NASCAR fans.

Meaning poor whites should quit their low paying job and let the Great Black Father in the White House take care of them.

[nic34]

The only guys voting against their own self-interests are poor southern NASCAR fans.

They love their country, but hate their government.

And they never took civics or anything else that might cloud their preconceived ideas.

[Chris]

Exactly. You're either part of the solution, or you're part of the problem, Chris and Pete definitely not part of any solution.



Me either.



Exactly. Make changes from within. Many wail on about Party and establishment....and think the answer is to not show up at all, not participate. Criticize from the outside looking in. Fence sit.



Why try, that's difficult. Easier to bitch and moan from afar, tell everyone else what's wrong with them. Fence sit.


False dichotomy. As is the case with all partisan argument, it lacks facts or logic or both.

The problem is the corrupt cronyism of the system. This was demonstrated several posts above exposing both Bush and Clinton ties to a corporate donor. Voting is not part of the solution since is lends support and gives sanction to the system, the corrupt cronyism.

Change within? What change, you two want to fence sit the status quo.

[Chris]

The only guys voting against their own self-interests are poor southern NASCAR fans.

Interesting, liberals generally condemn self-interest as greed or selfishness--ask common, or nic. Here you are promoting it.

[Bo-4]

Some might, like socialist Bernie Sanders. But you're overgeneralizing.

They're trying to convince you to vote Republican Chris. Don't do it! ;-)

[Chris]

They're trying to convince you to vote Republican Chris. Don't do it! ;-)

I have great doubt the Republican Party can offer anything but the status quo big government it, and the Democrats, have given us for decades.

And a non-vote or third-party vote is a vote for the other party is unconvincing hogwash.

[Ransom]

False dichotomy. As is the case with all partisan argument, it lacks facts or logic or both.

Standard answer from a fence sitter when they hear dead on balls accuracy.


The problem is the corrupt cronyism of the system. This was demonstrated several posts above exposing both Bush and Clinton ties to a corporate donor. Voting is not part of the solution since is lends support and gives sanction to the system, the corrupt cronyism.

Then work within the system to change things, Chris....rather than sit there on that f'n fence and female dog.


Change within? What change, you two want to fence sit the status quo.

The Republican Party has already seen massive change. Altered by both establishment efforts and those of the Tea Party interests. A great example the defeat of House Majority Whip Eric Cantor in Virginia....in the primaries. Don't believe everything you read, I know it's probably hard to get good info stuck on a fence post.

[PolWatch]

The only guys voting against their own self-interests are poor southern NASCAR fans.

Just as some people talk about low information voters who vote Dem, a lot of them get their political instructions from preachers, etc. It saves time not having to research issues or parties (for both of 'em).

[Chris]

Standard answer from a fence sitter when they hear dead on balls accuracy.



Then work within the system to change things, Chris....rather than sit there on that f'n fence and female dog.



The Republican Party has already seen massive change. Altered by both establishment efforts and those of the Tea Party interests. A great example the defeat of House Majority Whip Eric Cantor in Virginia....in the primaries. Don't believe everything you read, I know it's probably hard to get good info stuck on a fence post.



Say, ransom, you old fence sitter, why are you projecting? You're the one fence-sitting the status quo.

I'm working against the system.

The Republican Party stands against the Tea Parties, and they against it, ransom. Eric Cantor is establishment, status quo establishment.

I don't believe anything I read from you.

[Chris]

Just as some people talk about low information voters who vote Dem, a lot of them get their political instructions from preachers, etc. It saves time not having to research issues or parties (for both of 'em).


We have far too many partisan preachers on this forum.

[Mac-7]

Just as some people talk about low information voters who vote Dem, a lot of them get their political instructions from preachers, etc. It saves time not having to research issues or parties (for both of 'em).

You and obumer think alike,

Poor whites just clinging to the One God and the Second Amendment.

Its enough to drive the godless know-it-alls insane huh?

[Peter1469]

The only guys voting against their own self-interests are poor southern NASCAR fans.

I suppose you fully support Bush/Obama. Two sides of the same coin.

[Peter1469]

When you kick the establishment out, you will have a lot of independents show up.

When the establishment gets nominated election cycle after election cycle people with a living IQ walk away.
Standard answer from a fence sitter when they hear dead on balls accuracy.



Then work within the system to change things, Chris....rather than sit there on that f'n fence and female dog.



The Republican Party has already seen massive change. Altered by both establishment efforts and those of the Tea Party interests. A great example the defeat of House Majority Whip Eric Cantor in Virginia....in the primaries. Don't believe everything you read, I know it's probably hard to get good info stuck on a fence post.

[Mac-7]

When you kick the establishment out, you will have a lot of independents show up.

.

If we manage to kick the establishment out while you sit on your ass then don't bother showing up for your unearned reward.

Because the sidelines will be your permanent home.

But I think the elites are too entrenched to defeat without the help of everyone.

Even you.

[Peter1469]

If we manage to kick the establishment out while you sit on your ass then don't bother showing up for your unearned reward.

Because the sidelines will be your permanent home.

But I think the elites are too entrenched to defeat without the help of everyone.

Even you.

Correct. We won't vote for the establishment. If there is anything that we can say to make that more clear you to let me know.

You people keep nominating the establishment.

[Mac-7]

Correct. We won't vote for the establishment. If there is anything that we can say to make that more clear you to let me know.

You people keep nominating the establishment.

I am only one person.

If libs sit on the fence throwing rocks at me and refuse to help then the establishment is home free.

[Ransom]

When you kick the establishment out, you will have a lot of independents show up.

When the establishment gets nominated election cycle after election cycle people with a living IQ walk away.

Nonsense, people like you walk away. Others realize the ship doesn't turn with a mere whiff of breeze nor to suit your personal liking. Change must come from within. There are stark differences between parties now I can easily point out. Stark differences highlighted by recent events and elections. Establishment candidates have been defeated, Tea Party or other 'independent' Republican interests getting creamed as well. The Republican Party itself had undergone changes just within the last 8 years, I cannot see a Rand Paul being a serious candidate even 8 years ago.

But look to your post there, Pete. If someone else comes in and votes the 'Establishment' out....yourself an other Independents will return to the polls? Why not return...get active...change the process from within...get involved rather than standing there biitching and moaning?

[Peter1469]

You are the problem. You are voting for the establishment. Don't get hurt when independents don't vote with you.
Nonsense, people like you walk away. Others realize the ship doesn't turn with a mere whiff of breeze nor to suit your personal liking. Change must come from within. There are stark differences between parties now I can easily point out. Stark differences highlighted by recent events and elections. Establishment candidates have been defeated, Tea Party or other 'independent' Republican interests getting creamed as well. The Republican Party itself had undergone changes just within the last 8 years, I cannot see a Rand Paul being a serious candidate even 8 years ago.

But look to your post there, Pete. If someone else comes in and votes the 'Establishment' out....yourself an other Independents will return to the polls? Why not return...get active...change the process from within...get involved rather than standing there biitching and moaning?

[Chris]

Got to love how the status quo establishment fence sitters will promise anything to get you up on their fence, including their own defeat.

[The Sage of Main Street]

Just for Sage! :cool:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQqHzPzQsMg Also the guillotine-fodder Preppies get privileged positions in politics and business. Hereditary power is the secret malignant tumor that has destroyed all civilizations. But historians and social analysts are palace guards trained at that obsolete aristocratic institution, the university. Their main job is to hide the truth under elaborate disguises.

[The Sage of Main Street]

The establishment of both parties is the same coin. Two different sides. Most people fall for it. And the rest fall for the Libretardians and the Greenie eco-eunuchs.

[Mac-7]

But look to your post there, Pete. If someone else comes in and votes the 'Establishment' out....yourself an other Independents will return to the polls? Why not return...get active...change the process from within...get involved rather than standing there biitching and moaning?


My my point too.

Peter wants everything he wants.

And he wants us to serve it to him on a silver platter.

i think the fence sitters do not want to ever be on the winning team because then they will be on the hook along with us if something goes wrong, as it always does.

[The Sage of Main Street]

If we manage to kick the establishment out while you sit on your ass then don't bother showing up for your unearned reward.

Because the sidelines will be your permanent home.

But I think the elites are too entrenched to defeat without the help of everyone.

Even you. Representativism is elitist and should be replaced by frequent national referenda. We should elect an official to judge which bills should be ratified by the people.

"Wise stewards" has obviously been a continuous unrealistic hope we've been stuck on far too long. The ruling class has had its chance to give us some. Because of its failure to do so, that whole concept should be judged as a deceptive and self-serving fantasy allowing them to re-package their mercenary political merchandise. Those who support this collapsing elitist theory of an oligarchic republic should quit offering us more of it by suggesting more pre-owned candidates and deceptive alternative parties.

[Mac-7]

Representativism is elitist and should be replaced by frequent national referenda. We should elect an official to judge which bills should be ratified by the people.

"Wise stewards" has obviously been a continuous unrealistic hope we've been stuck on far too long. The ruling class has had its chance to give us some. Because of its failure to do so, that whole concept should be judged as a deceptive and self-serving fantasy allowing them to re-package their mercenary political merchandise. Those who support this collapsing elitist theory of an oligarchic republic should quit offering us more of it by suggesting more pre-owned candidates and deceptive alternative parties.

I'll stick with the wisdom of the Founding Fathers who knew what they were doing.

But the current system isn't running very smoothly at the moment, is it?

[Peter1469]

Incorrect.

It is very simple. I won't vote for the establishment. It is simply impossible to express my self any clearer.


Has humanity suddenly gone stupid? Don't nominate establishment, and then ask for my vote.


My my point too.

Peter wants everything he wants.

And he wants us to serve it to him on a silver platter.

i think the fence sitters do not want to ever be on the winning team because then they will be on the hook along with us if something goes wrong, as it always does.

[Mac-7]

Incorrect.

It is very simple. I won't vote for the establishment. It is simply impossible to express my self any clearer.


Has humanity suddenly gone stupid? Don't nominate establishment, and then ask for my vote.

I don't think you are going to affect the establishment wandering around in the bushes waiting for your ideal candidate to descend from the heavens.

The GOP establishment will bend to pressure but only if you make the effort.

[Peter1469]

I don't think you are going to affect the establishment wandering around in the bushes waiting for your ideal candidate to descend from the heavens.

The GOP establishment will bend to pressure but only if you make the effort.

Not voting for them is effort.

[Mac-7]

Not voting for them is effort.

Actually, no.

They write you out of the equation and afterward you no longer exist.

Its the repubs who vote and push back that they respond to.

[Peter1469]

Actually, no.

They write you out of the equation and afterward you no longer exist.

Its the repubs who vote and push back that they respond to.

One more time. Let's practice.

1+1=2. No other answer is correct.

Nominate an establishment candidate = no vote from me.

[Mac-7]

One more time. Let's practice.

1+1=2. No other answer is correct.

Nominate an establishment candidate = no vote from me.

I already know that Peter.

You are saving yourself for Mr. Right.

[Peter1469]

I already know that Peter.

You are saving yourself for Mr. Right.

Not the establishment. :smiley:

You are sure dense.

[Mac-7]

Not the establishment. :smiley:

You are sure dense.

I understand.

your ideal candidate believes everything you believe and does not associate with the establishment in any way.

So how long have you been waiting for that person to come along?

[Peter1469]

Repeat message on auto. The establishment is too stupid to understand.

[Bob]

One more time. Let's practice.

1+1=2. No other answer is correct.

Nominate an establishment candidate = no vote from me.

Aw shucks. No vote from you.

[Chris]

Aw shucks. No vote from you.

That's an attitude will win you votes for the Rep Party. You, ransom, mac, you really know how to suade opinion.

[Mac-7]

That's an attitude will win you votes for the Rep Party. You, ransom, mac, you really know how to suade opinion.

Fence sitters are not persuadable.

They hate repubs (mostly over the social issues I suspect) and prefer democrat party rule if they can't get everything they want from the GOP.

[Chris]

Fence sitters are not persuadable.

They hate repubs (mostly over the social issues I suspect) and prefer democrat party rule if they can't get everything they want from the GOP.


Then get off the fence, mac.

I see you're back to making things up. Hate Reps? Prefer Dems? Why do you need to lie? Why would I vote for Reps when you represent yourself as one but lie like that?

[Mac-7]

Then get off the fence, mac.

I see you're back to making things up. Hate Reps? Prefer Dems? Why do you need to lie? Why would I vote for Reps when you represent yourself as one but lie like that?

I'm sorry to say you are out of touch with reality.

[Chris]

I'm sorry to say you are out of touch with reality.

You're the one lying, you're the one out of touch with reality.

[The Sage of Main Street]

I'll stick with the wisdom of the Founding Fathers who knew what they were doing.

But the current system isn't running very smoothly at the moment, is it? If you don't believe the Constitution made it that way, at least you should admit that the Constitution was too weak to prevent this misrepresentation.

[The Sage of Main Street]

I understand.

your ideal candidate believes everything you believe and does not associate with the establishment in any way.

So how long have you been waiting for that person to come along? Since Constitutionazis believe their anti-democratic manifesto is a Bible, it must have a Book of Revelations predicting the arrival of their Messiah.

[Peter1469]

Since Constitutionazis believe their anti-democratic manifesto is a Bible, it must have a Book of Revelations predicting the arrival of their Messiah.We deliberately didn't make a democracy. That is likely the worse sort of government.

[The Sage of Main Street]

We deliberately didn't make a democracy. That is likely the worse sort of government. In the old days, the only people who were preaching, "This is a republic, not a democracy" were the Kochist wackos of the John Birch Society. Drifting without a paddle, now such fringe ideas on the Right and the Left are mainstream, which has carried us up Sh**t's Creek.

[Peter1469]

In the old days, the only people who were preaching, "This is a republic, not a democracy" were the Kochist wackos of the John Birch Society. Drifting without a paddle, now such fringe ideas on the Right and the Left are mainstream, which has carried us up Sh**t's Creek.

Lay off the drugs Sage.

[texan]

I would pay good money to see a foot race.

[The Sage of Main Street]

Lay off the drugs Sage. You mean Truth Serum? What, are you trying to peddle your blue pills to get me to replace it with?