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Peter1469
12-26-2014, 02:15 AM
From Yahoo news- what if 2016 is Bush-Clinton? (http://news.yahoo.com/again-really-bush-clinton-2016-150222338--election.html) I would predict a record low voter turnout.


The possibility of a Bush-Clinton matchup in 2016 is increasingly plausible.


After months of hints and speculation, former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush last week said he's actively exploring a bid for the Republican nomination.


And while Hillary Rodham Clinton hasn't revealed her intentions, she's seen as the odds-on favorite for the Democratic nomination.

Green Arrow
12-26-2014, 02:22 AM
I hear Jill Stein and Gary Johnson are running as Green and Libertarian again. Guess one of them will get my vote in '16.

CAPUSAFcadet23
12-26-2014, 03:51 AM
I will vote for Hillary. Anything is better than another dumbass Bush running this nation into the ground!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QdjRS-4AXQ

ace's n 8's
12-26-2014, 04:19 AM
I will vote for Hillary. Anything is better than another dumbass Bush running this nation into the ground!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QdjRS-4AXQWhat has Hillary Clinton done in the past 16 years to prove that she has the competency to be POTUS?

Green Arrow
12-26-2014, 05:36 AM
What has Hillary Clinton done in the past 16 years to prove that she has the competency to be POTUS?

What has Jeb Bush done in the last 16 years to prove that he is competent enough to be POTUS?

Howey
12-26-2014, 05:50 AM
I hear Jill Stein and Gary Johnson are running as Green and Libertarian again. Guess one of them will get my vote in '16.

Like like Johnson but won't throw away my vote.

Peter1469
12-26-2014, 06:02 AM
Like like Johnson but won't throw away my vote.

Considering the damage that the establishment of both parties have done to the nation, I would think that most have realized by now that a (D) or (R) vote is a waste.

Mac-7
12-26-2014, 06:32 AM
Considering that that self proclaimed smartest voters in the country hate the repubs and refuse to get their hands dirty reforming the party is it any wonder that the establishment can get away with business as usual?

sachem
12-26-2014, 06:40 AM
Considering the damage that the establishment of both parties have done to the nation, I would think that most have realized by now that a (D) or (R) vote is a waste.I think people like the familiar. With Obama being an outsider when elected, and not being a ringing success, I think voters may find comfort in going with a name they "know". Of course there is a year until primary season so lots can still happen.

Peter1469
12-26-2014, 06:42 AM
It can't be simpler: if the GOP nominates an establishment candidate, do not feel entitled to my vote.

How is this difficult? Can somebody rational explain?

Mac-7
12-26-2014, 07:01 AM
It can't be simpler: if the GOP nominates an establishment candidate, do not feel entitled to my vote.

How is this difficult? Can somebody rational explain?

Yes I know.

Fence sitters are picky eaters and demand their rations be served to them on a silver platter.

Ransom
12-26-2014, 07:09 AM
I will vote for Hillary. Anything is better than another dumbass Bush running this nation into the ground!

Ewe don't need to provide a Bush deflection qualifier, you're going to vote Hillary because you're a liberal and a sheep. Why you Leftists feel the need to give excuses or explain.......you're going to vote Left whether it's a Bush or Abe Lincoln running against you. You're a hardened media shaped Leftist, why pretend otherwise, we're all aware. Make your 2015 Resolution that you just go with it. Rather than another Bush deflection..... just say you're voting Hillary because you're a big government proponent, you believe Washington has all the answers.

Ransom
12-26-2014, 07:18 AM
It can't be simpler: if the GOP nominates an establishment candidate, do not feel entitled to my vote.

How is this difficult? Can somebody rational explain?

Yes. If after primaries your preferred candidate isn't still there, you don't act like an entitled child, you do your civic duty and vote. And you vote GOP Pete even if wasn't your first option on the primary ballot. Your chosen candidate will most likely extend their support to the eventual nominee, endorse the winner of the primary(as should be the case). Your.... ignorance here shouldn't be a 'don't feel entitled to my vote', your taking an it's a my way or the highway immature point of view that I hope you can one day.... evolve from.

Mac-7
12-26-2014, 07:25 AM
Yes. If after primaries your preferred candidate isn't still there, you don't act like an entitled child, you do your civic duty and vote. And you vote GOP Pete even if wasn't your first option on the primary ballot. Your chosen candidate will most likely extend their support to the eventual nominee, endorse the winner of the primary(as should be the case). Your.... ignorance here shouldn't be a 'don't feel entitled to my vote, it's a my way or the highway immaturity that I hope you can one day.... evolve from.

With Peter and others the rules are heads they win or tails we lose.

If its heads that means the fence sitters get exactly the candidate they wanted.

Rand Paul I presume.

But if its not the preferred libertarian candidate libs will take their football and go home.

Then they will complain about President Hillary or President Pocahontas for four years.

ace's n 8's
12-26-2014, 07:28 AM
What has Jeb Bush done in the last 16 years to prove that he is competent enough to be POTUS?Love the idea of you asking a question, rather answering my question.

Governor of a State.That's ALL I have, I dont care much for Baby Brother Jeb, and care even less for ''whatdoesitmatternow''Hillary.

donttread
12-26-2014, 07:31 AM
I hear Jill Stein and Gary Johnson are running as Green and Libertarian again. Guess one of them will get my vote in '16.

Same here. But rest assured one thing the Donkephant will work together cooperatively is to hide many of those third party votes

Peter1469
12-26-2014, 08:39 AM
Yes I know.

Fence sitters are picky eaters and demand their rations be served to them on a silver platter.

We know you will support the nominee regardless of who he is. That is why the establishment stays in power. Good job.

Peter1469
12-26-2014, 08:40 AM
With Peter and others the rules are heads they win or tails we lose.

If its heads that means the fence sitters get exactly the candidate they wanted.

Rand Paul I presume.

But if its not the preferred libertarian candidate then libs will take their football and go home.

Then they will complain about President Hillary or President Pocahontas for four years.
And complain about a Bush or Mitt. Or Dole.

donttread
12-26-2014, 08:44 AM
Like like Johnson but won't throw away my vote.

Voting for the Donkephant IS throwing away a vote.

Peter1469
12-26-2014, 08:56 AM
Voting for the Donkephant IS throwing away a vote.

What do they call doing the same thing over and over and getting the same bad results? :grin:

Matty
12-26-2014, 09:02 AM
The best thing to do to change DC is to rid it of lobbyists and lawyers! Put real people whose lives are impacted by the laws and policies in charge. It's worth a try!

donttread
12-26-2014, 09:10 AM
What do they call doing the same thing over and over and getting the same bad results? :grin:

I believe they call that insanity. Which according to archaic gun law should ban all Donephants from obtaining pistol permits

Bo-4
12-26-2014, 09:26 AM
Sign the Pledge!

http://nobushesorclintons.org


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Green Arrow
12-26-2014, 09:42 AM
Like like Johnson but won't throw away my vote.

You're already throwing it away if you're just going to cast it for someone you don't actually believe would be the best person for the job.

I place more value in my vote than that. Throwing my vote away would be voting for Hillary or Jeb.

Mac-7
12-26-2014, 09:53 AM
I don't think Rand Paul could pull more than 3% of the vote in a general election outside of the Republican Party.

Peter1469
12-26-2014, 10:08 AM
And the establishment will never allow Paul to get the nomination.

Howey
12-26-2014, 10:17 AM
And the establishment will never allow Paul to get the nomination.

I rest my case. Hillary or Warren will get my vote.

Peter1469
12-26-2014, 10:19 AM
I rest my case. Hillary or Warren will get my vote.

And to me Hillary is a wasted vote. Warren may have some independence from the establishment. I know others disagree.

Common
12-26-2014, 10:20 AM
Peter I really dont want to think about it lol

Shadow
12-26-2014, 06:42 PM
Yes I know.

Fence sitters are picky eaters and demand their rations be served to them on a silver platter.
And Gary Johnson is an opportunist fence rider himself ... So good match up I guess .

Mac-7
12-26-2014, 07:03 PM
And the establishment will never allow Paul to get the nomination.

If most republican primary voters agree with his positions no one can stop him.

But what libertarians refuse to face is that most conservative republican voters do not think like they do.

Suppose Paul does split the other candidates and win the nomination with 35% of the votes?

Could he get elected without the full support of the republican establishment AND the conservative base?

No.

So your kind need us whether you like it or not.

Green Arrow
12-26-2014, 07:45 PM
If most republican primary voters agree with his positions no one can stop him.

But what libertarians refuse to face is that most conservative republican voters do not think like they do.

Suppose Paul does split the other candidates and win the nomination with 35% of the votes?

Could he get elected without the full support of the republican establishment AND the conservative base?

No.

So your kind need us whether you like it or not.

And your kind need us whether YOU like it or not. Luckily for our kind, we have the advantage.

Bob
12-26-2014, 08:09 PM
What has Hillary Clinton done in the past 16 years to prove that she has the competency to be POTUS?

Democrats do not think like that. Third party types don't think like that. They love bull shit. I like experience.

Jeb Bush it in spades. If you listen to Jeb, it is so evident he has what it takes. I am not talking of fakery, I am saying he did a super job for Florida. And he is a super sound thinker.

I am not some pissed off rebel youth. I happen to respect real honest to god government management experience.

We saw what happens when you promote a Senator to President.

Peter1469
12-26-2014, 08:15 PM
No shit Sherlock. That is why I am not a republican.
If most republican primary voters agree with his positions no one can stop him.

But what libertarians refuse to face is that most conservative republican voters do not think like they do.

Suppose Paul does split the other candidates and win the nomination with 35% of the votes?

Could he get elected without the full support of the republican establishment AND the conservative base?

No.

So your kind need us whether you like it or not.

Bob
12-26-2014, 08:20 PM
I hear Jill Stein and Gary Johnson are running as Green and Libertarian again. Guess one of them will get my vote in '16.

Johnson has a chance if he becomes a republican. At least he has actual hands on government management experience and his record can be evaluated.

Bob
12-26-2014, 08:26 PM
What has Jeb Bush done in the last 16 years to prove that he is competent enough to be POTUS?

Same thing Gary Johnson did, he actually held the senior executive position over a state.

We can examine him and Johnson but both are superior to those who never were a Governor.

Bob
12-26-2014, 08:28 PM
And to me Hillary is a wasted vote. Warren may have some independence from the establishment. I know others disagree.

Warren is establishment. Virtually all that run are.

Bob
12-26-2014, 08:33 PM
It can't be simpler: if the GOP nominates an establishment candidate, do not feel entitled to my vote.

How is this difficult? Can somebody rational explain?

Let me put it to you gently.

I do not care.

I can explain, but I just don't care. Vote for democrats like Warren if you must.

Bob
12-26-2014, 08:51 PM
And the establishment will never allow Paul to get the nomination.

You keep acting as if the people don't vote, but just the establishment votes.

Republicans catch hell when they slide a bit towards Democrats but the public in truth wants what the Democrats sell.

Democrats sell the bullshit they don't favor the rich. They sell the con job they are for you and me.

Republicans would love nothing more than to restore the constitution. They admit it.

When you pull off republican votes, you slide us to those like Hillary, Warren and Obama.

It makes no sense at all. Tell republicans to slide to the constitution then support them. They will once they see they get support.

Face facts, the Democrats sell the most appeal. They appeal because citizens at heart love goodies paid for by you and handed to me.

If you asked Democrats if the rich deserve any of their income, they would love to say hell no they don't.

donttread
12-26-2014, 09:03 PM
If you felt we were well governed the last 14 years then vote Donkephant. On the other hand, those of you with a clue, vote anything but Donkephant

Peter1469
12-26-2014, 09:16 PM
I will never vote democrat, at least at the national level.

And you shouldn't care about my vote. I am not sure why you would consider it.
Let me put it to you gently.

I do not care.

I can explain, but I just don't care. Vote for democrats like Warren if you must.

Peter1469
12-26-2014, 09:18 PM
Incorrect. The GOP establishment is the same as the Dem establishment.

We should not support either of them.


You keep acting as if the people don't vote, but just the establishment votes.

Republicans catch hell when they slide a bit towards Democrats but the public in truth wants what the Democrats sell.

Democrats sell the bullshit they don't favor the rich. They sell the con job they are for you and me.

Republicans would love nothing more than to restore the constitution. They admit it.

When you pull off republican votes, you slide us to those like Hillary, Warren and Obama.

It makes no sense at all. Tell republicans to slide to the constitution then support them. They will once they see they get support.

Face facts, the Democrats sell the most appeal. They appeal because citizens at heart love goodies paid for by you and handed to me.

If you asked Democrats if the rich deserve any of their income, they would love to say hell no they don't.

Bob
12-26-2014, 09:24 PM
Incorrect. The GOP establishment is the same as the Dem establishment.

We should not support either of them.

You got a mouse in your pocket? We?????????????

Mac-7
12-27-2014, 12:13 AM
And your kind need us whether YOU like it or not. Luckily for our kind, we have the advantage.

Thats such a dumb thing to say.

I've been telling the board for months that the GOP needs the 3% ers support to beat the democrat machine.

Because "progressives" all have a single larger goal of growing the government so in the end they don't splinter their their vote on useless 3rd parties the pay libertarians do.

Mini Me
12-27-2014, 12:14 AM
With Peter and others the rules are heads they win or tails we lose.

If its heads that means the fence sitters get exactly the candidate they wanted.

Rand Paul I presume.

But if its not the preferred libertarian candidate libs will take their football and go home.

Then they will complain about President Hillary or President Pocahontas for four years.

I'll gladly take Pocahontas or Bernie Sanders any day of the week, rather than those Globalist sellouts!

People matter!

Mini Me
12-27-2014, 12:26 AM
Let me put it to you gently.

I do not care.

I can explain, but I just don't care. Vote for democrats like Warren if you must.

Bob does not care!

Hes been taking his fukitol pills like the doctor prescribed for him.

That's the red pill, not the blue one.

Mac-7
12-27-2014, 12:36 AM
The 3% crowd does not need to vote FOR Hillary or senator pokahontas to give them victory.

Just continuing to not vote for the GOP does the same thing.

Peter1469
12-27-2014, 02:50 AM
The 3% crowd does not need to vote FOR Hillary or senator pokahontas to give them victory.

Just continuing to not vote for the GOP does the same thing.That is where you err. The establishment GOP is no better than Hillary. They are all rotten.

Mac-7
12-27-2014, 06:23 AM
I'll gladly take Pocahontas or Bernie Sanders any day of the week, rather than those Globalist sellouts!

People matter!

She is the one who taught Obama to say "You didn't build that!"

Her and the other ordained socialist would be really bad news for this great capitalist country.

Mac-7
12-27-2014, 06:28 AM
That is where you err. The establishment GOP is no better than Hillary. They are all rotten.

That is the great lie that liberals want you to believe.

The GOP establishment is pretty bad and I should know.

But base voters for the GOP are far superior to the people that democrats rely on to get elected.

And believe it or not we do influence the party.

Not much sometimes but way more than 3 percenters who have totally marginalized themselves.

donttread
12-27-2014, 06:56 AM
Like like Johnson but won't throw away my vote.

Howey, what would you do if the pre election pools showed an unavoidable republican win? No way the democrat could win. By your own "logic" you would have to vote for the republican . Is that what you would do?

donttread
12-27-2014, 06:58 AM
You got a mouse in your pocket? We?????????????

He means himself and others of us who can actually intellectually process the last 14 years instead of just mindlessly voting "A" or "B"

donttread
12-27-2014, 06:59 AM
Considering the damage that the establishment of both parties have done to the nation, I would think that most have realized by now that a (D) or (R) vote is a waste.

But they don't. I compare it to trying to work with an alcoholic in full blown denial.

Shadow
12-27-2014, 07:11 AM
Johnson has a chance if he becomes a republican. At least he has actual hands on government management experience and his record can be evaluated.
He ran as a republican. Couldn't get enough votes to even be included in the debates ...which sent the Libertarians into a snit. He then blew off the party in a temper tantrum and changed to Indy.

Peter1469
12-27-2014, 08:07 AM
Incorrect. Liberals are just as rabid as conservatives in claiming their establishment candidates are not the same as the other party. They are all wrong and the last 16 or so years prove it.


That is the great lie that liberals want you to believe.

The GOP establishment is pretty bad and I should know.

But base voters for the GOP are far superior to the people that democrats rely on to get elected.

And believe it or not we do influence the party.

Not much sometimes but way more than 3 percenters who have totally marginalized themselves.

Ransom
12-27-2014, 09:00 AM
Why can it not be a mindful choice of A or B? What say you're very involved, have strong convictions, understand the issues, and want to see members of your own constituency... be it Repub, Dim, Independent, Tea Party, Green, or Sheep Party...... what say you want like minded persons elected. You're never going to find a majority that agrees with you on every issue... thus compromise and an agenda are required. Diverse and wide ranging candidates selected, a Primary is held.... in every single state..... that isn't an A or B choice....... there are many choices. Many issues to be settled on the way to compromise agenda....a like-minded platform. Should your preferred candidate not win the Primary..... should your opinions on each issue not dictate that platform..... what are your options? They are eventually limited... by design to force a consensus. If your kneejerk opinions on party politics would merely get involved rather than bite at the heels of the two party system in this country, they'd realize while not perfect, it's far from an A or B 'mindless' choice. Ignorance in this forum for some reason though, always seems to reign supreme.

Peter1469
12-27-2014, 09:03 AM
Notice: Don't respond to Ransom in this thread. He has been thread banned for a pattern of posting in bad faith.

Peter1469
12-27-2014, 09:05 AM
The primary system allows the establishment of the two main parties complete control over the eventual outcome of most elections- an establishment candidate will win. We could end the primary system to help break the corruption up.

Newpublius
12-27-2014, 11:41 AM
The primary system allows the establishment of the two main parties complete control over the eventual outcome of most elections- an establishment candidate will win. We could end the primary system to help break the corruption up.

primaries are still private elections though. What should be ended is allowing those political parties access to the public organ to hold those elections since it obviously veils those parties with the color of endorsement from the government. It'll never happen, but think about that for one second!

Mac-7
12-27-2014, 11:50 AM
Incorrect. Liberals are just as rabid as conservatives in claiming their establishment candidates are not the same as the other party. They are all wrong and the last 16 or so years prove it.

I know both parties are not the same but liberals are happy for you not to know.

because it helps them for you to remain a splinter voter.

PolWatch
12-27-2014, 11:56 AM
ya coulda fooled me...we are moving into year 15 of the Bush/Obama presidency....is this a repub-i-crat or a dem-o-can experience.... I have trouble telling 'em apart

Peter1469
12-27-2014, 12:06 PM
ya coulda fooled me...we are moving into year 15 of the Bush/Obama presidency....is this a repub-i-crat or a dem-o-can experience.... I have trouble telling 'em apart

A lot of people are waking up. Clearly, not all. :smiley:

donttread
12-27-2014, 12:20 PM
ya coulda fooled me...we are moving into year 15 of the Bush/Obama presidency....is this a repub-i-crat or a dem-o-can experience.... I have trouble telling 'em apart

You mean because of little things like Bush the republican conservative furthering the federalization of education and spending money like Paris Hilton an a shopping spree? Or Obama, the dyed in the wool liberal, bailing out wall street and war mongering with the best of em?

Cthulhu
12-29-2014, 02:31 AM
I hear Jill Stein and Gary Johnson are running as Green and Libertarian again. Guess one of them will get my vote in '16.
Go Johnson. He may not win due to the powers that be.

But I'd rather vote with my conscience.

I'd sooner leap to into a wood chipper balls first than vote for either blueblood.


Sent from my evil cell phone.

Cthulhu
12-29-2014, 02:32 AM
Like like Johnson but won't throw away my vote.
The machine thanks your for your cooperation.


Sent from my evil cell phone.

Cthulhu
12-29-2014, 02:42 AM
Yes I know.

Fence sitters are picky eaters and demand their rations be served to them on a silver platter.

The platter matters quite little when what is served is guaranteed to give you food poisoning.


The best thing to do to change DC is to rid it of lobbyists and lawyers! Put real people whose lives are impacted by the laws and policies in charge. It's worth a try!

I have long hoped for a blue collar in the presidency. A dream which may never come true I fear.


A lot of people are waking up. Clearly, not all. :smiley:

Natural selection will take care of the rest soon enough.


Sent from my evil cell phone.

Redrose
12-29-2014, 02:51 AM
From Yahoo news- what if 2016 is Bush-Clinton? (http://news.yahoo.com/again-really-bush-clinton-2016-150222338--election.html) I would predict a record low voter turnout.


Even if it was Elmo vs Hillary, I would never in a million years vote for her.

Common
12-29-2014, 06:13 AM
Jeb bush has shot right to the top and is polling as NUMBER 1 republican.

This is going to be hilarious, one guy who can bunch tons of Progressive liberal panties and Far right conservative panties at the same time. This is going to be fun to watch lol

Mac-7
12-29-2014, 07:53 AM
The platter matters quite little when what is served is guaranteed to give you food poisoning.

.

As I have been saying to the other fence sitters you keep dreaming that if you just play hard to get that the Republican Party will reform itself and come to you.

But it won't.

You have to jump into the fray and help reform the GOP.

And you can't do that sitting on your butt.

Peter1469
12-29-2014, 08:09 AM
As I have been saying to the other fence sitters you keep dreaming that if you just play hard to get that the Republican Party will reform itself and come to you.

But it won't.

You have to jump into the fray and help reform the GOP.

And you can't do that sitting on your butt.

I am 100% willing to support a (R) candidate, so long as they are not an establishment tool.

Is that hard to understand?

Do I need to draw a picture with a crayon?

Mac-7
12-29-2014, 08:20 AM
I am 100% willing to support a (R) candidate, so long as they are not an establishment tool.

Is that hard to understand?

Do I need to draw a picture with a crayon?

Yes I know how it will go with you.

If your preferred candidate wins the nomination you will stick with the GOP during the regular election.

But your guy can only beat the democrat only if republicans like me who may not be thrilled with your guy still votes for him in the general.

Which I will do.

But in your case its heads you win or tails I lose.

Because if your guy doesn't win the GOP nomination you walk.

Peter1469
12-29-2014, 08:23 AM
Yes. I will not vote for establishment (D) or (R). That is what is destroying our nation.

But carry on. At this point you people need to destroy the nation so the responsible adults can rebuilt it.


Yes I know how it will go with you.

If your preferred candidate wins the nomination you will stick with the GOP during the regular election.

But your guy can only beat the democrat only if republicans like me who may not be thrilled with your guy still votes for him in the general.

Which I will do.

But in your case its heads you win or tails I lose.

Because if your guy doesn't win the GOP nomination you walk.

Mac-7
12-29-2014, 08:27 AM
Yes. I will not vote for establishment (D) or (R). That is what is destroying our nation.

But carry on. At this point you people need to destroy the nation so the responsible adults can rebuilt it.


I understand you perfectly.

You won't lift a finger to save the country but you will perhaps help rebuild it after it falls.

But leftwing one-party dictatorships can linger for generations of slow decline and I don't think you will live that long.

Peter1469
12-29-2014, 08:28 AM
I understand you perfectly.

You won't lift a finger to save the country but you will perhaps help rebuild it after it falls.

But leftwing one-party dictatorships can linger for generations of slow decline and I don't think you will live that long.

You are a contradiction. You claim you want to save the GOP and country, yet you are willing to consistently and reliably vote for the establishment candidate.

You have no interest in America's best interest. Zero. You are a slave to the establishment.

Peter1469
12-29-2014, 08:33 AM
Both parties use the same playbook. Nominate an establishment candidate that can appeal to the base. Whichever candidate wins (D) or (R) continue along the slow path of ever increasing power at the federal level.

Sure each side has its pet issues- pro-life or pro-choice as one example. But that is only red meat for the people. Neither side actually tries to achieve their goals. Why would they. Then a hot issue that drives people to the polls would be off the table.

Yet we are told we must support the establishment.... :rollseyes:

Mac-7
12-29-2014, 08:34 AM
You are a contradiction. You claim you want to save the GOP and country, yet you are willing to consistently and reliably vote for the establishment candidate.

You have no interest in America's best interest. Zero. You are a slave to the establishment.

I vote for the best candidate that has a chance to win.

Romney was not my first choice.

But I'm not a child who expects to get everything that I want or I will throw a fit.

Peter1469
12-29-2014, 08:42 AM
I vote for the best candidate that has a chance to win.

Romney was not my first choice.

But I'm not a child who expects to get everything that I want or I will throw a fit. You keep saying that. But you are still voting for the establishment.

Nothing will ever change with your game plan.

At least until the establishment's polices crash the system. Carry on. :smiley:

If the GOP nominates a non-establishment candidate - fiscally conservative, has an awareness of the US Constitution, I will support that candidate.

If the GOP nominates its typical establishment candidate I will not waste my vote and I will actively oppose him or her.

Mac-7
12-29-2014, 08:47 AM
You keep saying that. But you are still voting for the establishment.



You can't win without the establishment.

If your dream candidate wins the GOP nomination it will not be by universal acclamation.

He might only capture the hearts and minds of 25 to 40% of the primary voters.

you need the support of the GOP party machine and the losing GOP voters like myself to beat the democrat party machine.

Peter1469
12-29-2014, 08:54 AM
Fine. I don't want the establishment in power. Why would I vote for it even with no chance of defeating it?

That doesn't make sense.

Look, accept it. You are part of the problem. Not the solution.


You can't win without the establishment.

If your dream candidate wins the GOP nomination it will not be by universal acclamation.

He might only capture the hearts and minds of 25 to 40% of the primary voters.

you need the support of the GOP party machine and the losing GOP voters like myself to beat the democrat party machine.

Mac-7
12-29-2014, 08:58 AM
Look, accept it. You are part of the problem. Not the solution.

Of course I'm part of the problem.

I vote for the best candidate who has a reasonable chance to win.

Gary Johnson bolted the Republican Party in 2012,and got a whopping 1% of the vote against Romney and obumer.

I think the one percenters are afraid to win because they don't want to take responsibility for the mistakes that every winning candidate is going to make when they take office.

Peter1469
12-29-2014, 09:11 AM
Lulz.

For fun vote for the (D) establishment. You won't see any substantive difference from your (R) candidate.

Carry on.


Of course I'm part of the problem.

I vote for the best candidate who has a reasonable chance to win.

Gary Johnson bolted the Republican Party in 2012,and got a whopping 1% of the vote against Romney and obumer.

I think the one percenters are afraid to win because they don't want to take responsibility for the mistakes that every winning candidate is going to make when they take office.

Cthulhu
12-30-2014, 03:44 AM
Lulz.

For fun vote for the (D) establishment. You won't see any substantive difference from your (R) candidate.

Carry on.
One if these days I'll do a write in for Ham Sandwich/BLT on the ballot.

It's no different than R vs. D in effectiveness.


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