AirAsia Flight From Indonesia To Singapore Goes Missing

[Common]

Budget carrier AirAsia confirmed on Sunday that its flight QZ 8501 from the Indonesian city of Surabaya to Singapore had lost contact with air traffic control.The Airbus 320-200 had 155 passengers and crew on board, Indonesian transport officials said.
Indonesian media said 149 Indonesians, three people from Korea, and one from Singapore, Britain and Malaysia were on board.
A search and rescue operation had been launched, Malaysian-based AirAsia said. (Writing by Robert Birsel; Editing by Dean Yates)


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/27/airasia-flight-indonesia-missing_n_6385808.html

[ace's n 8's]

Budget carrier AirAsia confirmed on Sunday that its flight QZ 8501 from the Indonesian city of Surabaya to Singapore had lost contact with air traffic control.The Airbus 320-200 had 155 passengers and crew on board, Indonesian transport officials said.
Indonesian media said 149 Indonesians, three people from Korea, and one from Singapore, Britain and Malaysia were on board.
A search and rescue operation had been launched, Malaysian-based AirAsia said. (Writing by Robert Birsel; Editing by Dean Yates)


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/27/airasia-flight-indonesia-missing_n_6385808.htmlDeja Vue.

[Common]

Bad news 160 innocent people

[exotix]

AirAsia Flight QZ8501 loses contact 42 minutes after takeoff

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/airasia-flight-indonesia-singapore-missing-airline-says-n275696

... was supposed to have landed 4 hours ago ..


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[exotix]

'Search Underway'



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[Peter1469]

I hate these stories. At least I am not flying anywhere soon.

[Redrose]

I still think we'll see these "lost" planes used as weapons in the near future. They never found any trace of the other one that disappeared. If this one is never found either, then my suspicions may be right.

[Peter1469]

Yes, I posted an article about that several months ago. It is more likely, if these planes have been taken for that purpose, that they would be used in the 3rd world. The first world has tightened up air defenses since 9-11 and it isn't very likely that an airliner will stay in the air long enough to hit another high rise.

[Redrose]

Yes, I posted an article about that several months ago. It is more likely, if these planes have been taken for that purpose, that they would be used in the 3rd world. The first world has tightened up air defenses since 9-11 and it isn't very likely that an airliner will stay in the air long enough to hit another high rise.

I don't think they're intended to hit the USA, I feel they will be used in the Middle East, say Israel or another ally.

[Peter1469]

Maybe cities in Africa.

[Howey]

AirAsia Flight QZ8501 loses contact 42 minutes after takeoff

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/airasia-flight-indonesia-singapore-missing-airline-says-n275696

... was supposed to have landed 4 hours ago ..


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a. OMG! How horrible!

b. How could anyone lose that gawd awful ugly plane?

[Peter1469]

Might have been bad weather that took it do. Maybe similar to that Air France plane several years ago.

[webrockk]

CNN just ejaculated...

[webrockk]

Clean up on aisle four

[Howey]

CNN just ejaculated...


Horrible.

Cruel.
Insensitive.

Funny!

[sachem]

a. OMG! How horrible!

b. How could anyone lose that gawd awful ugly plane?How about at least a couple of days before the funnies? Lots of people are presumed dead.

[Bo-4]

Yeah, sad. And remember NOT to turn on the news until the plane is found, UNLESS of course you want to hear the same things over and over and OVER day after day after day.

[Adelaide]

Similar area to the Malaysian plane that went missing. Makes you wonder a bit.

[Bo-4]

Horrible.

Cruel.
Insensitive.

Funny!

And *drumroll* TRUE!!

[Peter1469]

Yeah, sad. And remember NOT to turn on the news until the plane is found, UNLESS of course you want to hear the same things over and over and OVER day after day after day.

I think that there is an Ancient Aliens marathon on. :smiley:

[Peter1469]

This one involved bad weather. Like the Air France plane (Airbus A330) that went down in the Atlantic several years ago. The way the flight controls work on the Airbus A320-200 can cause a pilot on manual controls to end up with the nose up- which can stall the aircraft. It is much more detailed than that, but that is a very basic description.

I don't think that there were any weather issues with the Malaysian flight.

[Codename Section]

There was that story on a few stations that got pulled about a passenger with a cell phone calling to say the flights landed and they were at a "base"

[Mr. Right]

If you want to go the "tin hat" route, 150 or 200 lives is nothing to an entity that wants to use the airliner as a weapon. It's tried and true.
More likely, a third world maintenance crew on a foreign owned airline cutting corners caused this.

[exotix]

*update*


'No Sign of Missing Jet'

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-airasia-plane/airasia-flight-qz8501-goes-missing-after-call-course-shift-n275696


Rescuers scouring Indonesian waters for an AirAsia plane that went missing with 162 people aboard have found no sign of the missing jet more than 16 hours after it lost contact with air-traffic control, officials said Sunday.

After more than 10 hours of scouring the Java Sea, Indonesian authorities called off the aerial search for the night and said it would resume at 6 a.m. Monday (6 p.m. ET Sunday).

Achmad Toha of Indonesia's Search and Rescue Agency (BASARNAS) said some ships in the area would continue looking for the missing plane overnight, according to The Associated Press.


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[Peter1469]

There was that story on a few stations that got pulled about a passenger with a cell phone calling to say the flights landed and they were at a "base"

This flight from yesterday? I head that about the Malaysian flight 370.

[Bo-4]

I think that there is an Ancient Aliens marathon on. :smiley:

I'll probably skip that and won't have to listen to much of the repetition.

Daughter and i off to Phoenix tomorrow Am to see our beloved Boise State Broncos in the Fiesta Bowl!

[Safety]

If you want to go the "tin hat" route, 150 or 200 lives is nothing to an entity that wants to use the airliner as a weapon. It's tried and true.
More likely, a third world maintenance crew on a foreign owned airline cutting corners caused this.

Thank god for U.S. aviation safety regulations.....

[Peter1469]

The AirAsian airline has a good safety record (http://www.airlineratings.com/ratings/166/airasia-x). No deaths since its reorganization in 2001. Well until likely now.

I have not flown on that airline, but some of the Asia ones make ours look like shabby operations.

[Common]

Search For Missing AirAsia Flight QZ8501 Resumes160 passengers


The search (http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/27/world/asia/airasia-missing-plane/index.html?hpt=hp_inthenews) for an AirAsia plane that went missing en route to Singapore resumed on Monday after the bulk of the search and rescue operations had been suspended Sunday evening due to darkness (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/29/world/asia/airasia-jet.html).
Flight QZ8501 dropped off the radar Sunday morning local time after taking off from Indonesia's second-largest city of Surabaya. Satellite images show heavy thunderstorms in the vicinity of the site where the plane lost contact, the Guardian noted (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/28/airasia-plane-disappearance-storm-clouds-clue). AirAsia said in a statement (https://www.facebook.com/notes/airasia/updated-statement-qz8501/10152667884908742) that the plane had requested "deviation due to enroute weather" before communication broke off.
The Airbus 320-200 carried 155 passengers and seven crew on board (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/28/airasia-missing-passengers_n_6386758.html). Most of the passengers were Indonesian. Three South Koreans, one Singaporean, one Malaysian, one French citizen and one Briton (http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-30615389) were also aboard.

The captain and co-captain were identified (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/28/airasia-missing-passengers_n_6386758.html) as Iriyanto, who like many Indonesians uses only one name, and Frenchman Remi Emmanuel Plesel. According to AirAsia, both are experienced pilots.
A reported passenger manifest shows a total of 26 passengers, including three infants, who were scheduled to be aboard but are listed as no-shows. A crisis center and hotline have been set up for relatives of those who are aboard the flight, and the airline said it is working to identify the next of kin.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/28/missing-plane-search_n_6387310.html

[PolWatch]

Duplicate threads merged

[exotix]

*update*

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-airasia-plane/missing-airasia-flight-likely-bottom-sea-search-official-says-n275901


AirAsia Indonesia Flight QZ8501 Likely 'at The Bottom of the Sea'

AirAsia passenger Flight QZ8501 is assumed to have crashed into the sea, the head of the rescue effort told reporters Monday.

"Based on the coordinates that we know, the evaluation would be that any estimated crash position is in the sea, and that the hypothesis is the plane is at the bottom of the sea,"

National Search and Rescue chief Henry Bambang Soelistyo told a news conference, according to The Associated Press.

Navy ships, helicopters and aircraft fanned out to scour parts of the Java Sea Monday for any sign of AirAsia Indonesia Flight QZ8501, which lost contact with air traffic controllers in Indonesia Sunday morning after the pilot requested a course change due to bad weather, officials have said.

There are 155 passengers as well as two pilots and five crew members on board.
Most of the passengers are Indonesian.

Three people on board are from South Korea, and one person each is from Singapore, Malaysia, Britain and France.

Seventeen passengers are children, and one is an infant, the airline said.

Indonesian authorities called off the aerial search for AirAsia Indonesia Flight QZ8501 on Sunday night local time (Sunday morning ET) when the sun went down, but ships continued looking in the Java Sea for the Airbus A320-200, which was travelling from Surabaya, Indonesia, to Singapore when it went missing.



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[Peter1469]

They found oil slicks before they ended the search for the night.

[Common]

They said this airline has a particularly good safety record also

[Peter1469]

They said this airline has a particularly good safety record also

I posted a link to their safety record. Pretty high.

[Peter1469]

40 bodies found. Plane may have been located as well.
(http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/12/30/indonesia-airplane-idUSL3N0UE06220141230)

[sachem]

At least they found something. Easier, in the long run, on the families.

[Captain Obvious]

That is one ugly airplane.

[sachem]

That is one ugly airplane.I'm sure that is why it went down.

[Captain Obvious]

I'm sure that is why it went down.

No, I'm not suggesting that correlation.

I've already been accused of heckling handicapped people, I've had my fill of faux drama for one day.

It's just a hideous color scheme, worse than most NFL team jets in their team colors - which are tacky also.

[sachem]

No, I'm not suggesting that correlation.

I've already been accused of heckling handicapped people, I've had my fill of faux drama for one day.

It's just a hideous color scheme, worse than most NFL team jets in their team colors - which are tacky also.Ok. Fair enough.

[Polecat]

I was going to paint my '89 Honda Civic red & white. Rethinking that idea now.

[sachem]

I was going to paint my '89 Honda Civic red & white. Rethinking that idea now.Good idea.

[exotix]

*update*


'Large shadow on ocean floor (believed to be bulk of wreckage)'


http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-airasia-plane/airasia-search-bodies-debris-recovered-missing-plane-n276606

Black boxes expected to be recovered.


Families to be flown over crash site to pray

http://media1.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2014_01/827936/141230-airasia-mn-915_9e2e73468d206fe68b947c87f26604d1.nbcnews-ux-880-600.jpg

[Bob]

yahoo news says the water is maybe 100 feet deep at the site of wreckage. At least that makes it easier to locate the data boxes.

[exotix]

*update*


'Possible explanations'


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[Bob]

I understand pitot tubes. We have the way to use satellites to determine altitude and airspeed. The loss of the French Aircraft due to pitot tube problems, might seem a good time to use it in all cases where a high altitude flight was lost. I dunno.

I suggest the flight data boxes first be studied by experts.

[Captain Obvious]

I understand pitot tubes. We have the way to use satellites to determine altitude and airspeed. The loss of the French Aircraft due to pitot tube problems, might seem a good time to use it in all cases where a high altitude flight was lost. I dunno.

I suggest the flight data boxes first be studied by experts.

I saw this movie already.

[Polecat]

There are redundant sources for airspeed readings in that aircraft so an iced up pitot tube would amount to pilot error.

[exotix]

Just In


AirAsia victim was wearing life jacket

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/airasia-victim-with-life-jacket-raises-questions-about-planes-last-moments/ar-BBhmXEW?ocid=iehp

A body recovered on Wednesday from the crashed AirAsia plane was wearing a life jacket, an Indonesian search and rescue official said, raising new questions about how the disaster unfolded.

Rescuers believe they have found the plane on the ocean floor off Borneo, after sonar detected a large, dark object beneath waters near where debris and bodies were found on the surface.

Seven bodies have been recovered from the sea, some fully clothed, which could indicate the Airbus A320-200 was intact when it hit the water. That would support a theory that it suffered an aerodynamic stall.

The fact that one person put on a life jacket suggests those on board had time before the aircraft hit the water, or before it sank.

And yet the pilots did not issue a distress signal. The plane disappeared after it asked for permission to fly higher to avoid bad weather.

"This morning, we recovered a total of four bodies and one of them was wearing a life jacket," Tatang Zaenudin, an official with the search and rescue agency, told Reuters.
He declined to speculate on what the find might mean.

A pilot who works for a Gulf carrier said the life jacket indicated the cause of the crash was not "catastrophic failure".

Instead, the plane could have stalled and then come down, possibly because its instruments iced up and gave the pilots inaccurate readings.


"There was time.
It means the thing didn't just fall out of the sky," said the pilot, who declined to be identified.


He said it could take a minute for a plane to come down from 30,000 feet and the pilots could have experienced "tunnel vision ... too overloaded" to send a distress call.




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[Captain Obvious]

That sounds like a horrible way to go.

I think if I were dying in a plane crash I'd just want it to happen instantly.

[exotix]

Just In


Five of 30 AirAsia Bodies Were Found Belted Into Seats

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/airasia-plane-crash/five-30-airasia-bodies-were-found-belted-seats-officials-n278346


PANGKALAN BUN, Indonesia — Search crews have now recovered 30 bodies from the AirAsia crash, including five who were found still strapped in their seats (http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/airasia-plane-crash/airasia-victims-likely-still-their-seats-expert-n278071), Indonesian officials said.

Col. Yayan Sofiyan, commander of the warship Bung Tomo, told MetroTV that the five were among seven bodies retrieved from the Java Sea and taken to an Indonesian vessel Friday. Indonesian search and rescue chief Henry Bambang Soelistyo later said a total of 30 bodies have been recovered from Flight 8501.



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[exotix]

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Tail Section Found

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/airasia-plane-crash/airasia-flight-8501s-tail-section-found-divers-java-sea-n281171

SURABAYA, Indonesia — The tail section of the crashed AirAsia passenger jet has been located by divers in the Java Sea, an Indonesian search and rescue official said Wednesday.

The find is significant because this part of the wreckage could contain the plane's black box recorders.

These devices contain voice and data information and could be crucial in determining what happened to Flight QZ8501 and its 162 passengers and crew.

"The tail has been found," Bambang Soelistyo, chief of the rescue agency, known as BASARNAS, told reporters at a news conference. Soelistyo said that the tail numbers from the Airbus A320 were visible on the wreckage, which was found in 111 feet of water.

AirAsia CEO Tony Fernandes said on Wednesday that if the correct part of the tail had been found "then the black box should be there."

Writing on his Twitter account (https://twitter.com/tonyfernandes) he added: "We need to find all parts soon so we can find all [our] guests to ease the pain of our families.

That still is our priority."




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[PolWatch]

I'm not the bravest airplane traveler in the world but I would never try this airline. Do they have a strong voodoo culture in that region? It looks like someone has cursed these folks!

[Peter1469]

I'm not the bravest airplane traveler in the world but I would never try this airline. Do they have a strong voodoo culture in that region? It looks like someone has cursed these folks!
They had a top rated safety rating up unit this flight. No fatalities. I posted a link to it somewhere above in the thread.

[waltky]

Uncle Ferd thinks mebbe space aliens ship-napped `em... Dutch WWII-Era Shipwrecks Have Mysteriously Disappeared November 16, 2016 - Three Dutch shipwrecks dating back to World War II have mysteriously disappeared from the sea floor, Dutch defense officials say.
The three warships were sunk by the Japanese during the 1942 Battle of the Java Sea, near the coast of Indonesia. In 2002, amateur divers found the wreckage, where 900 Dutch and 250 Indonesian-Dutch soldiers are buried. A team of divers recently went down to shoot footage of the wrecks prior to the 75th anniversary of the deadly battle, Dutch Navy spokesperson Paul Middelberg tells The Two-Way. "They dived for the wrecks to find that the wrecks were gone," he says. Using sonar, the divers were able to see the imprints of the missing ships on the sea floor. The remains of HNLMS De Ruyter and HNLMS Java are completely gone, the Defense Ministry says, while a large portion of the HNLMS Kortenaer is missing. The ministry says that as the final resting places of soldiers killed in battle, they are seen as war graves and desecrating them is a serious offense. An investigation is trying to solve the mystery of why the wrecks disappeared, Middelberg says. He declined to speculate out of respect for the families of the dead. "We don't want to give misinformation or half information," he adds. "We want to find out what happened and come out with that message."
https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2016/11/16/2158_050997_de-ruyter-copy_custom-7107117faff5004d94c52ba73998ea5dde578b8e-s1100-c15.jpg HNLMS De Ruyter before it sank in 1942. This comes on the same day The Guardian reported that the wrecks of three British ships and a U.S. submarine in the same area have been "destroyed by illegal scrap metal scavengers." The newspaper says it was able to obtain 3D maps of the seabed, which show large holes where the ships used to be. "The commercial salvaging of war wrecks has caused significant upset among veterans, historians and governments who want to preserve the final resting place of sailors who went down with their ships," the Guardian adds. Could the Dutch ships also have been salvaged? According to the BBC, experts say the Dutch ships were 60 miles off the Indonesian coast and 70 meters underwater. "It is impossible to salvage this," one salvage operator told the BBC, "It is far too deep." And "experts say the operation would have needed large cranes for long periods of time and would be unlikely to have gone unnoticed," the broadcaster adds. Indonesian authorities also seem puzzled: Navy spokesman Gig Sipasulta told the BBC that "to say that the wreckage had gone suddenly, doesn't make sense." The February 1942 battle was a major defeat for the Dutch, U.S., British and Australian navies against Japan, which led to Japanese occupation of the Dutch East Indies, or what is now Indonesia. http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/11/16/502323557/dutch-wwii-era-shipwrecks-have-mysteriously-disappeared