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Codename Section
12-30-2014, 04:08 PM
This thread is going to be stickied so that it remains at the top of the Gender and Sexuality forum so that we can address all of our major issues and news for those of the GLBT persuasion.
TrueBlue Howey

I used your name for it. :)

Enjoy

PolWatch
12-30-2014, 04:16 PM
<looking around the room> I like what y'all have done with the decorating....love the rainbows!

Captain Obvious
12-30-2014, 04:17 PM
So, is this like the back of the bus for gay stuff?

Not that we have a lot of serious gay discussions here anyway.

Codename Section
12-30-2014, 04:19 PM
This was trueblue's compromise and we're honoring it.

Codename Section
12-30-2014, 04:22 PM
I'll help fancy up the place for our friends.

http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2014/106/b/9/chris_hemsworth___thor_6_by_thortheavengergod-d7eoika.jpg

Common
12-30-2014, 04:25 PM
This thread is going to be stickied so that it remains at the top of the Gender and Sexuality forum so that we can address all of our major issues and news for those of the GLBT persuasion.
@TrueBlue (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1308) @Howey (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=387)

I used your name for it. :)

Enjoy

I was wondering of you would like to go out to dinner with me and catch a show code :love6:

PolWatch
12-30-2014, 04:28 PM
I'll help fancy up the place for our friends.

http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2014/106/b/9/chris_hemsworth___thor_6_by_thortheavengergod-d7eoika.jpg

if anyone is looking for me...I'll be right here, drooling....uh...looking.... hey! silvereyes! here I am!

Captain Obvious
12-30-2014, 04:28 PM
I was wondering of you would like to go out to dinner with me and catch a show code :love6:

zing...

:biglaugh:

Captain Obvious
12-30-2014, 04:29 PM
I'll help fancy up the place for our friends.

http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2014/106/b/9/chris_hemsworth___thor_6_by_thortheavengergod-d7eoika.jpg

Not big on goatees myself, tickles my thighs.

Codename Section
12-30-2014, 04:30 PM
I was wondering of you would like to go out to dinner with me and catch a show code :love6:

Only if you're paying. I'm not cheap.

Captain Obvious
12-30-2014, 04:32 PM
Only if you're paying. I'm not cheap.

...says the Popeye's purveyor.

:biglaugh:

Howey
12-30-2014, 05:08 PM
I'll help fancy up the place for our friends.

http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2014/106/b/9/chris_hemsworth___thor_6_by_thortheavengergod-d7eoika.jpg

Oh lord. Be still my heart!

Howey
12-30-2014, 05:08 PM
This thread is going to be stickied so that it remains at the top of the Gender and Sexuality forum so that we can address all of our major issues and news for those of the GLBT persuasion.
TrueBlue Howey

I used your name for it. :)

Enjoy

w00t!

Howey
12-30-2014, 05:11 PM
OMG.

Alyosha? Philly Rabbit's gonna stroke out over this one!

silvereyes
12-30-2014, 05:17 PM
if anyone is looking for me...I'll be right here, drooling....uh...looking.... hey! silvereyes! here I am!
I Really do wanna lick him all over and do naughty things with him.

silvereyes
12-30-2014, 05:18 PM
Only if you're paying. I'm not cheap.

That's not what I heard. Lol

silvereyes
12-30-2014, 05:19 PM
OMG.

Alyosha? Philly Rabbit's gonna stroke out over this one!
One can only hope.

silvereyes
12-30-2014, 05:34 PM
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc13/Mickeymouse07079/Rainbows/043-1.gif (http://s215.photobucket.com/user/Mickeymouse07079/media/Rainbows/043-1.gif.html)

I brought a present.

Howey
12-30-2014, 05:38 PM
It'll be interesting to see how many of the gay haters post here.

silvereyes
12-30-2014, 05:45 PM
They won't for long. I've got my electric fly swatter ready.

Captain Obvious
12-30-2014, 05:53 PM
I Really do wanna lick him all over and do naughty things with him.

Hey now...

TrueBlue
12-30-2014, 05:59 PM
It'll be interesting to see how many of the gay haters post here.
Hi Howey! That was not the intention of why I had this thread set up. If that's what they want to do then they are in the wrong place.

I had it set up after THEY (RWers) complained about there being too many Gay threads, that the topics were "boring", etc. etc. and that they weren't interested in reading any of it. Well fine. So, I decided that having this thread pinned would be a good compromise so that those with no POSITIVE interest in LGBT issues would not have to read any more threads under the regular topical headings on TPFs. So, if they follow us here I will be the first to call their hypocrisy on that.

Obviously, if they do not like these topics then they will avoid coming here like the plague correct? And now it's in its own little corner of the world away from them, hopefully.

silvereyes
12-30-2014, 06:01 PM
Hey now...
Don't be jealous. Lol

TrueBlue
12-30-2014, 06:07 PM
This thread is going to be stickied so that it remains at the top of the Gender and Sexuality forum so that we can address all of our major issues and news for those of the GLBT persuasion.
@TrueBlue (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1308) @Howey (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=387)

I used your name for it. :)

Enjoy
Thanks Codename! I appreciate your help with this. The idea is to get out of the face of RWers who say they don't enjoy reading LGBT-related postings. Well, they won't have to now that they see that that's ALL there will be here exclusively. Hopefully, they will get the message this time.
Thanks again!

Howey
12-30-2014, 06:39 PM
Hi Howey! That was not the intention of why I had this thread set up. If that's what they want to do then they are in the wrong place.

I had it set up after THEY (RWers) complained about there being too many Gay threads, that the topics were "boring", etc. etc. and that they weren't interested in reading any of it. Well fine. So, I decided that having this thread pinned would be a good compromise so that those with no POSITIVE interest in LGBT issues would not have to read any more threads under the regular topical headings on TPFs. So, if they follow us here I will be the first to call their hypocrisy on that.

Obviously, if they do not like these topics then they will avoid coming here like the plague correct? And now it's in its own little corner of the world away from them, hopefully.
I'm aware of that but I have many friends like Peter1469 and Alyosha and others who were upset over your frequency og gay themed posts whom I hope will join us here.

I was talking about the haters.
Meanwhile. ..

http://blogs.browardpalmbeach.com/pulp/2014/12/florida_group_files_lawsuit_to_stop_same-sex_marriage_license_distribution.php

Stemberger is a virulent homophobe and hated by all.

Captain Obvious
12-30-2014, 07:23 PM
Don't be jealous. Lol

It's been a dry week or so for me with the shits/pukes thing going around and holiday traveling.

Just in time for shark week to start too, woo hoo...

TrueBlue
12-30-2014, 09:16 PM
I'm aware of that but I have many friends like @Peter1469 (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=10) and @Alyosha (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=863) and others who were upset over your frequency og gay themed posts whom I hope will join us here.

I was talking about the haters.
Meanwhile. ..

http://blogs.browardpalmbeach.com/pulp/2014/12/florida_group_files_lawsuit_to_stop_same-sex_marriage_license_distribution.php

Stemberger is a virulent homophobe and hated by all.
You know Aly and Peter are always welcome as is anyone else who can deport themselves accordingly in a civilized manner and leave the Anti-Gay comments, nastiness, and insults outside the door.

PolWatch
12-30-2014, 09:18 PM
I'm not too civilized (but I did wipe my feet) thought I would drop off a house-warming gift:
http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?id=HN.608038563458188595&w=98&h=108&c=8&pid=3.1&qlt=90&rm=2

TrueBlue
12-30-2014, 09:54 PM
I'm not too civilized (but I did wipe my feet) thought I would drop off a house-warming gift:
http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?id=HN.608038563458188595&w=98&h=108&c=8&pid=3.1&qlt=90&rm=2
Oh, thank you Pol! That's a cute, beautiful, and thoughtful gift. I sure do appreciate it! :) :)

Alyosha
12-30-2014, 09:56 PM
TrueBlue Howey

in honor of this thread here's a glbt story and from a reputable gay site Towleroad, it's both legal (I love that) and gay (David Geffen--hullo) and gossipy!

http://www.towleroad.com/2014/12/media-mogul-david-geffen-claims-former-20-year-old-college-football-player-boyfriend-is-stalking-him.html

http://towleroad.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c730253ef01bb07cecfc0970d-800wi



Media mogul David Geffen is having issues with 20-year-old ex-boyfriend Jamie Kuntz again after Kuntz was arrested in October for violating the terms of a restraining order reports Defamer (http://defamer.gawker.com/david-geffen-my-20-year-old-football-player-ex-boyfrie-1676001440?rev=1419870246708&utm_campaign=socialflow_gawker_facebook&utm_source=gawker_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow) via TMZ (http://www.tmz.com/2014/12/29/david-geffen-stalking-college-football-jamie-kuntz/). Kuntz stands accused of "Following, harassing and making a 'credible threat' against the Hollywood big wig sometime between September and November." Kuntz is now facing a felony stalking charge and a minor misdemeanor charge for allegedly disobeying a court order to stay away from Geffen. Kuntz' lawyers say the whole thing is a big misunderstanding and no stalking was involved.

Kuntz is a former North Dakota State College of Science student who was dismissed from the school's football team in 2012 after he and Geffen were spotted kissing in the press box of a game. The school claims he was removed from the team for lying about the kiss, and not because he's gay. Kuntz originally told team officials that Geffen was his grandfather.


First, this proves there are gay football players, second that if you're old and have money you can get one, and three that stalking and stalking laws will protect gays!

TrueBlue
12-31-2014, 10:18 AM
@TrueBlue (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1308) @Howey (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=387)

in honor of this thread here's a glbt story and from a reputable gay site Towleroad, it's both legal (I love that) and gay (David Geffen--hullo) and gossipy!

http://www.towleroad.com/2014/12/media-mogul-david-geffen-claims-former-20-year-old-college-football-player-boyfriend-is-stalking-him.html

http://towleroad.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c730253ef01bb07cecfc0970d-800wi




First, this proves there are gay football players, second that if you're old and have money you can get one, and three that stalking and stalking laws will protect gays!
Interesting. Thanks Aly. :)

Codename Section
12-31-2014, 10:21 AM
Wow that dude's arms are as short as that of a Trex.

Captain Obvious
12-31-2014, 11:16 AM
Wow that dude's arms are as short as that of a Trex.

That's a condition.

I knew a guy name Petey, local yokel, played bass in our garage band, had those short arms. Worked out as a bass player though.

TrueBlue
12-31-2014, 11:46 AM
Ohio: 17 Year Old Transgender Teenager Commits Suicide, Leaves Heartbreaking Suicide Note

http://randyreport.blogspot.com/2014/12/ohio-17-year-old-transgender-teenager.html


"When I was 14, I learned what transgender meant and cried of happiness. After 10 years of confusion I finally understood who I was. I immediately told my mom, and she reacted extremely negatively, telling me that it was a phase, that I would never truly be a girl, that God doesn’t make mistakes, that I am wrong. If you are reading this, parents, please don’t tell this to your kids. Even if you are Christian or are against transgender people don’t ever say that to someone, especially your kid. That won’t do anything but make them hate them self. That’s exactly what it did to me."


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This is truly heartbreaking and most unfortunate but that is exactly what happens when someone within the LGBT community feels harsh rejection and exactly what I've been talking about that has to stop and what led me to support the LGBT community as I've spoken about extensively under the thread entitled "Peace Train", by Alyosha. It is Posting #39 and appears on Page 4 entitled "An Important Message."

Dear Leelah We Love You. May your soul rest in peace. http://smiley.nowdararpour.ir/facebook/12.png

The Wash
12-31-2014, 11:52 AM
It could have been better handled but I don't think one discussion with your parents sends people suicidal. People have conditions and bad situations make it worse.

I think we all need to be sympathetic and kind but we also need to teach children how to be emotionally strong because if not then, some other time. The world breaks us all down.

TrueBlue
12-31-2014, 12:11 PM
It could have been better handled but I don't think one discussion with your parents sends people suicidal. People have conditions and bad situations make it worse.

I think we all need to be sympathetic and kind but we also need to teach children how to be emotionally strong because if not then, some other time. The world breaks us all down.
Yes, in retrospect it could have been handled much better by her parents only it wasn't. We don't know if it was only one discussion or a whole lot of discussions. Usually, it is a lot more and of course one has to realize that a child that age is very impressionable as they are still growing and the lack of love, support, and emotional acceptance for who they are during their formative years can make children do drastic things and think irrationally.

We can and should teach children to be emotionally strong but can they truly be on our direction alone? Each person is an individual with an individual mind and certain zones of comfort and the impact of being rejected at home and by others for who they are does drive many to commit suicide by experiencing that angst, rejection, and lack of love on a constant basis. They are only human not machines.

But it is not just children whom we should teach to be emotionally strong. How about tough, strong, masculine men in the military who are trained to be tough and to "take it" and even they break down many times and there are more and more suicides there too because they may not be so emotionally strong to withstand what they're facing as I'm sure they wish they could. So, compare that to a young, impressionable child growing up but it is a real travesty for both child and adult.

The Wash
12-31-2014, 12:14 PM
You're a Bible believer. You know there are other forces at work and when you see them in your child and harming your child you need to be proactive and help given them spiritual armor.

I spent weeks on end in boot camp being called every name in the book when I was physically and mentally exhausted. We can overcome, but we need as a society to tell people that words have no power or weight that you don't put on them yourself.

That's just as important as telling people to be nice because life is many times cruel.

Howey
12-31-2014, 01:56 PM
Wow that dude's arms are as short as that of a Trex.

They're both creepy looking. Not my type.

TrueBlue
12-31-2014, 02:28 PM
You're a Bible believer. You know there are other forces at work and when you see them in your child and harming your child you need to be proactive and help given them spiritual armor.

I spent weeks on end in boot camp being called every name in the book when I was physically and mentally exhausted. We can overcome, but we need as a society to tell people that words have no power or weight that you don't put on them yourself.

That's just as important as telling people to be nice because life is many times cruel.
Yes, of course I am a Bible believer. And it is because I am that I don't resort to name-calling, denigrating, and making life hard on others. I do as Jesus said we should do to "Love Our Neighbors and all others UNCONDITIONALLY."

The "forces" that you speak of wouldn't by any chance be, in your way of thinking, due to 'evil' trying to make or influence a child to become something they are not would it? Because I can assure you that a person's sexual orientation has nothing to do with evil or the devil or 'learned persuasions', etc. It is who they are and how they were born. And that's part of the problem right there with parents and others who don't want to accept that fact or at the least try to understand it. In turn, it causes many more problems for their children, their own flesh and blood whom they helped bring into the world. That's beyond being cold-hearted when they kick out their own child just because they are Gay or Lesbian. God will meet them at the gates of Heaven and ask them why they did that to their children you know. What answer will they give Him that would make sense? That they put them in harm's way because of what they were indoctrinated to think? He loves ALL of His children and expects us to do the same and to leave any judgment, if indeed there's any to be made, to Him alone.

I will disagree with you in that words have no power. They do! Especially to impressionable children but also to many others.

Tell a good, hard-working employee who has done nothing wrong but worked at a place for ten years or more or even less and who depends upon his salary for his food, rent, and to feed his family, tell him the words "You're Fired!" and see if those words have no power on him or anyone else who does nothing wrong at the job but only works to make a living. Of course words have power.

TrueBlue
12-31-2014, 02:55 PM
Belgian Catholic Bishop: Church Should Recognize Same-Sex Relationships

http://www.bilerico.com/2014/12/belgian_catholic_bishop_church_should_recognize_sa .php


"Indeed, we need to seek a formal recognition of the kind of relationship that exists between many gay and lesbian couples. Does that recognition have to be a sacramental marriage? Perhaps the church could much better reflect on a diversity of forms of relationships. One has the same kind of discussion about civil marriages. In Belgium the same model (for civil marriages) exists for man-woman relations as well as for same-sex relations."

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I applaud the high-ranking Bishop for his stance on Same-Sex Marriage. He shows a great understanding of the needs of two adult people who are in love to be able to share in that love and be able to marry.

After all, Gay and Lesbian citizens work, they pay their taxes, they go to church, they have or adopt children and many proudly volunteer to serve in the U.S. military putting themselves in harm's way many times in order that we continue to have our freedom in this country. And by gosh if that in itself doesn't earn them the right to marry their loved one then I don't know what does.

The Bishop is right in his declaration that all Catholics should take to heart and work to see materialize and the antiquated visions of the past dematerialize so that all who are deserving can enjoy life to the fullest and be able to experience love that they are most deserving of having. KUDOS to the Bishop!

Cthulhu
12-31-2014, 03:09 PM
Belgian Catholic Bishop: Church Should Recognize Same-Sex Relationships

http://www.bilerico.com/2014/12/belgian_catholic_bishop_church_should_recognize_sa .php



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I applaud the high-ranking Bishop for his stance on Same-Sex Marriage. He shows a great understanding of the needs of two adult people who are in love to be able to share in that love and be able to marry.

After all, Gay and Lesbian citizens work, they pay their taxes, they go to church, they have or adopt children and many proudly volunteer to serve in the U.S. military putting themselves in harm's way many times in order that we continue to have our freedom in this country. And by gosh if that in itself doesn't earn them the right to marry their loved one then I don't know what does.

The Bishop is right in his declaration that all Catholics should take to heart and work to see materialize and the antiquated visions of the past dematerialize so that all who are deserving can enjoy life to the fullest and be able to experience love that they are most deserving of having. KUDOS to the Bishop!
He is courting his own excommunication. I wonder if this gains steam that their could be a third schism in the catholic church.


Sent from my evil cell phone.

TrueBlue
12-31-2014, 03:21 PM
He is courting his own excommunication. I wonder if this gains steam that their could be a third schism in the catholic church.
Excommunication? Not at all in light of Pope Francis' own stance on the matter. I believe the Pope sure welcomes such progressive viewpoints in the Church.

Cthulhu
12-31-2014, 03:27 PM
Excommunication? Not at all in light of Pope Francis' own stance on the matter. I believe the Pope sure welcomes such progressive viewpoints in the Church.
I guess I'm out of touch with all things catholic then. What did the pope say regarding it?


Sent from my evil cell phone.

Common Sense
12-31-2014, 04:05 PM
I guess I'm out of touch with all things catholic then. What did the pope say regarding it?

“If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?”

The Sage of Main Street
12-31-2014, 04:14 PM
Hi Howey! That was not the intention of why I had this thread set up. If that's what they want to do then they are in the wrong place.

I had it set up after THEY (RWers) complained about there being too many Gay threads, that the topics were "boring", etc. etc. and that they weren't interested in reading any of it. Well fine. So, I decided that having this thread pinned would be a good compromise so that those with no POSITIVE interest in LGBT issues would not have to read any more threads under the regular topical headings on TPFs. So, if they follow us here I will be the first to call their hypocrisy on that.

Obviously, if they do not like these topics then they will avoid coming here like the plague correct? And now it's in its own little corner of the world away from them, hopefully. Back in the closet with Gayists, this time by their own choice.

The Sage of Main Street
12-31-2014, 04:21 PM
Ohio: 17 Year Old Transgender Teenager Commits Suicide, Leaves Heartbreaking Suicide Note

http://randyreport.blogspot.com/2014/12/ohio-17-year-old-transgender-teenager.html




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This is truly heartbreaking and most unfortunate but that is exactly what happens when someone within the LGBT community feels harsh rejection and exactly what I've been talking about that has to stop and what led me to support the LGBT community as I've spoken about extensively under the thread entitled "Peace Train", by Alyosha. It is Posting #39 and appears on Page 4 entitled "An Important Message."

Dear Leelah We Love You. May your soul rest in peace. http://smiley.nowdararpour.ir/facebook/12.png I imagine a lot of pedosexuals have committed suicide because of "prejudice," too.
That goes for sibling-sexuals who feel hopelessly prevented from expressing their overwhelming desire to bed Sis.

TrueBlue
12-31-2014, 05:23 PM
Back in the closet with Gayists, this time by their own choice.
Wrong. It is called "compromise". When a hateful and vocal few said they didn't want so many Gay postings because they were not interested in reading them under the regular topical headings I posted to and others said they were 'bored' of reading them there I voluntarily decided to create a thread especially for LGBT postings so that those folks would continue to have a voice there without the loud-mouths trying to derail such postings. Ask the mods if there is any doubt about that.

So, it's not being back in the closet, fyi. That will never be again. It's called 'compromise', something RWers don't know how to do well.

Alyosha
12-31-2014, 05:54 PM
Excommunication? Not at all in light of Pope Francis' own stance on the matter. I believe the Pope sure welcomes such progressive viewpoints in the Church.

The Pope welcomes love and compassion towards gays, but Church policy is that marriage is for the purpose of children. It's not even about romantic love, so they would have to redefine marriage entirely from a theological standpoint and that would and will not happen.

We don't even have divorce, still just annulment and part of that is because of children.

I am glad, however, that the Church has taken a stance that is loving and embracing.

Alyosha
12-31-2014, 05:59 PM
I imagine a lot of pedosexuals have committed suicide because of "prejudice," too. That goes for sibling-sexuals who feel hopelessly prevented from expressing their overwhelming desire to bed Sis.You're trolling. Take the homophobia to another thread or contribute an actual discussion in coherent English. No one wants your usual pronouncements.

Cthulhu
12-31-2014, 06:51 PM
“If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?”
That is a far cry different than endorsing homosexual coupling.

As Aly said, a great deal hangs on it and I doubt the church will change anytime soon.


Sent from my evil cell phone.

Peter1469
12-31-2014, 06:58 PM
God wasn't against homosexuals he was against mating with the Nephilim and corrupting human DNA.

The entire thing about homosexuality is a biblical red herring. Gays have had a really bad rap over ignorance of God's law.

Alyosha
12-31-2014, 07:01 PM
God wasn't against homosexuals he was against mating with the Nephilim and corrupting human DNA.

The entire thing about homosexuality is a biblical red herring. Gays have had a really bad rap over ignorance of God's law.

Well, I've said it before its about kids. When you're a tribe on the run hunted by everyone and your religion is insular there is no room for homosexuality. People have to suck it up and take one for the team.

I mean, is it really any different to marry against your sexual (gender) preference as it was to be forced into any arranged marriage with men sometimes twice your own age that you never met before?

It's what people did to preserve bloodlines, preserve their tribe, etc.

Peter1469
12-31-2014, 07:08 PM
Very true in a practical day by day explanation. God is above that. He is looking out for the big picture. Keeping human DNA pure is the main goal. The rest are details he delegated to others.
Well, I've said it before its about kids. When you're a tribe on the run hunted by everyone and your religion is insular there is no room for homosexuality. People have to suck it up and take one for the team.

I mean, is it really any different to marry against your sexual (gender) preference as it was to be forced into any arranged marriage with men sometimes twice your own age that you never met before?

It's what people did to preserve bloodlines, preserve their tribe, etc.

TrueBlue
12-31-2014, 11:13 PM
God wasn't against homosexuals he was against mating with the Nephilim and corrupting human DNA.

The entire thing about homosexuality is a biblical red herring. Gays have had a really bad rap over ignorance of God's law.
That is very correct, Peter! Thank you for bringing this out!

For more on this, please visit:

http://www.gaychristian101.com/

TrueBlue
12-31-2014, 11:47 PM
That is a far cry different than endorsing homosexual coupling.

As Aly said, a great deal hangs on it and I doubt the church will change anytime soon.
Yet Pope Francis has demoted a high-ranking American Cardinal on outspoken issues. Today, many previously outspoken Cardinals and Bishops are afraid to speak out for fear of what could also happen to them and rightfully so! Read all about it!

Catholic Synod: Cardinal 'demoted' by Pope Francis

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29669231

TrueBlue
01-01-2015, 12:04 AM
Rhode Island Supreme Court Throws Out Firefighters' Lawsuit Over Driving In Gay Pride Parade

http://randyreport.blogspot.com/2014/12/rhode-island-supreme-court-throws-out.html


"Writing for the entire court, Justice William Robinson III called driving a fire truck in a parade a "legitimate work assignment" and said as public servants they were "relatively anonymous."

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The Rhode Island Supreme Court has ruled on this matter and the firefighters lost. End of story.

Cthulhu
01-01-2015, 12:38 AM
Yet Pope Francis has demoted a high-ranking American Cardinal on outspoken issues. Today, many previously outspoken Cardinals and Bishops are afraid to speak out for fear of what could also happen to them and rightfully so! Read all about it!

Catholic Synod: Cardinal 'demoted' by Pope Francis

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29669231
*eye roll of legend*

Looks like another split in the future is my guess. Or a mass exodus of catholics in the future. There are people who will leave their faith if the denomination yields on certain issues.


Sent from my evil cell phone.

Alyosha
01-01-2015, 10:03 AM
Yet Pope Francis has demoted a high-ranking American Cardinal on outspoken issues. Today, many previously outspoken Cardinals and Bishops are afraid to speak out for fear of what could also happen to them and rightfully so! Read all about it!

Catholic Synod: Cardinal 'demoted' by Pope Francis

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29669231


Very true. His evangelicum was to change the tone of the church to one of giving and compassion. The Catholic Church is an intellectual church and Jesuits are an intellectual order. That is very different from changing dogma, which he said he did not intend to do as Pope.

To even consider gay marriage the Pope would have to first reconsider the roles of men and women in the church because of how the precepts are written, that would then enable them to change the purpose of marriage, and then they could allow for gays to marry if they had an intellectual justification for it as currently marriage is "for the purpose of children".

You have to remember barren women or childless marriages are one of the only reasons for annulment in the Church, and the Church's long history of debating intricacies of dogma. They literally did debate how many angels could fit on the head of a pin.

This isn't like a Baptist group that can get together and vote.

Women as priests is still overruled, and that would have to happen before gay marriage because of the church's precepts on male and female.

Alyosha
01-01-2015, 10:06 AM
*eye roll of legend*

Looks like another split in the future is my guess. Or a mass exodus of catholics in the future. There are people who will leave their faith if the denomination yields on certain issues.

It's not going to happen, or at least not with a simple: Oh we feel so bad about this! ((waves hand))

The church is dogmatic and ritualistic and theological. The Pope chose the Jesuit order for a reason. You must have an intellectual response that overrides the challenges of the Bible and while we all know the Bible was written 4,000 years ago (parts) and 2,000 years ago (parts) he can only do what Jesus and the prophets gave him to work with.

Catholic dogma is that the purpose of marriage is children. Further, men and women have distinct roles in the church.

The Catholic Church is not a church for everyone. The Episcopal Church is "Catholic Lite", all the ritual none of the guilt.

I always tell gays they would find a nice home there. It is not an ancient, dogmatic faith like that of Catholicism.

Alyosha
01-01-2015, 10:47 AM
Rhode Island Supreme Court Throws Out Firefighters' Lawsuit Over Driving In Gay Pride Parade

http://randyreport.blogspot.com/2014/12/rhode-island-supreme-court-throws-out.html


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The Rhode Island Supreme Court has ruled on this matter and the firefighters lost. End of story.


Wow, I don't like this. Tell me @TrueBlue (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1308) why as a Christian do you feel this is a good thing.

What if you were asked as part of your job assignment to set up a booth at a satanic convention. It's the same principle conflated. If someone says something is against their religious beliefs and are forced to participate how is that not a violation of personal religious liberty?

Explain.


**When you explain do so without using "gay" or "lesbian" because we're talking about the law and legal principles. This is not about how we feel about gays or lesbians--that's an emotional argument.

Peter1469
01-01-2015, 10:50 AM
The firefighters should take that day off. Let the court enforce its order. The judges can drive the truck.

Alyosha
01-01-2015, 10:55 AM
They should take it to the Supreme Court. That's bullshit. I'm very pro-gay people because gay people are people. I am not pro-forcing people to be nice. We either have a right to our time and body or we don't.

I think this is the first step to a lot of things, couched in something soft like "well you like gays and lesbians,right? you don't want to hurt their feelings, right?"

Anytime a freedom is removed they always have a "good" reason for it.

Trueblue won't understand because he/she sees the immediate "good" in her mind, not the long-term legal ramifications. How I wish everyone were forced into law school for a year to truly understand this stuff.

PolWatch
01-01-2015, 12:30 PM
'How I wish everyone were forced into law school for a year to truly understand this stuff'

<runs screaming out of room> I hear people offering medical advice based on watching medical shows, investigation advice based on CSI, legal advice from Perry Mason....can you imagine what 1 year of law school would create? have mercy!

TrueBlue
01-01-2015, 12:38 PM
*eye roll of legend*

Looks like another split in the future is my guess. Or a mass exodus of catholics in the future. There are people who will leave their faith if the denomination yields on certain issues.
One can only hope! Those who will not adhere to the progressive direction of Pope Francis should not want to stay anyway. They are certainly Welcome to join the Protestant faith where they will learn how to be Saved and Born Again, something that Catholics do not teach their flock which greatly imperils their current and future life in the Afterlife.

TrueBlue
01-01-2015, 12:42 PM
They should take it to the Supreme Court. That's bullshit. I'm very pro-gay people because gay people are people. I am not pro-forcing people to be nice. We either have a right to our time and body or we don't.

I think this is the first step to a lot of things, couched in something soft like "well you like gays and lesbians,right? you don't want to hurt their feelings, right?"

Anytime a freedom is removed they always have a "good" reason for it.

Trueblue won't understand because he/she sees the immediate "good" in her mind, not the long-term legal ramifications. How I wish everyone were forced into law school for a year to truly understand this stuff.
It's called good common-sense understanding, Aly. Something I wish more people had.

TrueBlue
01-01-2015, 12:57 PM
Wow, I don't like this. Tell me @TrueBlue (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1308) why as a Christian do you feel this is a good thing.

What if you were asked as part of your job assignment to set up a booth at a satanic convention. It's the same principle conflated. If someone says something is against their religious beliefs and are forced to participate how is that not a violation of personal religious liberty?

Explain.


**When you explain do so without using "gay" or "lesbian" because we're talking about the law and legal principles. This is not about how we feel about gays or lesbians--that's an emotional argument.
First of all, it would never happen as there is no legal precedent for any government organization to compel anyone to attend a Satanic convention and I quite frankly do not see that stance ever changing so that is a moot issue.

But if that was ever to change, (fat chance!!) then I would certainly have the option to call in sick as so many do. Something those firemen could have also done.

Howey
01-01-2015, 12:58 PM
'How I wish everyone were forced into law school for a year to truly understand this stuff'

<runs screaming out of room> I hear people offering medical advice based on watching medical shows, investigation advice based on CSI, legal advice from Perry Mason....can you imagine what 1 year of law school would create? have mercy!

lol. She's kinda right with that one, Alyosha!

TrueBlue
01-01-2015, 01:10 PM
Ohio: 17 Year Old Transgender Teenager Commits Suicide, Leaves Heartbreaking Suicide Note

http://randyreport.blogspot.com/2014/12/ohio-17-year-old-transgender-teenager.html




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This is truly heartbreaking and most unfortunate but that is exactly what happens when someone within the LGBT community feels harsh rejection and exactly what I've been talking about that has to stop and what led me to support the LGBT community as I've spoken about extensively under the thread entitled "Peace Train", by Alyosha. It is Posting #39 and appears on Page 4 entitled "An Important Message."

Dear Leelah We Love You. May your soul rest in peace. http://smiley.nowdararpour.ir/facebook/12.png
Here is an important follow-up to this story.

Dan Savage: Prosecute Transgender Teen Leelah Alcorn's Parents for Abuse

http://www.towleroad.com/2014/12/savagealcorn.html

PolWatch
01-01-2015, 01:16 PM
This story is sad enough without someone else passing judgment on the parents. They have to live with what happened. I suspect the parents are feeling more than enough grief without strangers jumping on the bandwagon to promote their own agenda.

TrueBlue
01-01-2015, 01:29 PM
This story is sad enough without someone else passing judgment on the parents. They have to live with what happened. I suspect the parents are feeling more than enough grief without strangers jumping on the bandwagon to promote their own agenda.
Well rather than it being an issue about promoting their agenda, I think it's rather an issue about promoting Justice. Afterall, one need look no farther than to Leelah's last message to her parents. She was extremely upset and pointed to them. Therefore, imho, it does deserve an investigation and whatever is found can be handled by the law from that point forward.

As for the parents, they should have thought about that before treating her in the way they did. Now, they cannot cry over spilled milk and lost opportunity.

PolWatch
01-01-2015, 01:33 PM
The person under discussion was a child...I don't agree with the parents but that was their child. I believe the future would be better served to use this as a learning experience for other parents rather than adding more pain to the parents.

TrueBlue
01-01-2015, 01:48 PM
4th Grader Writes Touching Letter About Equality And Transgender Sister To Santa

http://www.towleroad.com/2014/12/4th-grader-writes-touching-letter-about-equality-and-transgender-sister-to-santa.html



"Dear Santa,

I wish for everyone to have equality[--] black, white, brown, gay, transgender, and every other race. I wish for familys [sic] to love each other even if their [sic] trans or gay. I wish for no shootings, no hate, and no racism. My big sister[’s] name is Molly. She used to be called Sam but she came out as trans [when] she was 18. She took hormones that made her look and sound more like a girl. Luckly [sic] my family and I accepted her, but some familys [sic] are not like that[.] [P]eople have killed their children because of them being transgender or gay. I want that to stop, and start the love.

Love, B"



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The children of today certainly have more common-sense and compassion than their adult counterparts. Great KUDOS to him! At such a young age, to be able to understand the issues and then espouse them to Santa, his teacher and his class speaks volumes for his loving heart and the understanding that we desire for all adults to possess.

PolWatch
01-01-2015, 02:00 PM
I think children are born knowing how to love....they have to be taught to hate....imho

Mister D
01-01-2015, 02:12 PM
OMG. If there was ever a thread begging to be trolled it's this one. Alas, out of respect for the forum and the mods I shan't.

Mister D
01-01-2015, 02:14 PM
I think children are born knowing how to love....they have to be taught to hate....imho

Hate is merely a strong dislike of something or someone. We are no more taught to hate than we are to love.

TrueBlue
01-01-2015, 03:33 PM
5th Circuit announces panel to hear marriage equality cases

http://www.dallasvoice.com/5th-circuit-announces-panel-hear-marriage-equality-cases-10186947.html


"Higginbotham and Smith were appointed to the court by President Ronald Reagan. Graves was appointed by President Barack Obama."

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That may not be good news for appellants in those states under the Fifth Circuit Court's jurisdiction with two conservative judges out of the three. And given that the 5th Circuit is known to be the most conservative of all such courts, it sure appears that they won't even need to take time hearing the case, which of course they should.

Along with many others, I too feel that given the stats here, this case has already been decked in favor of "No" and decided to retain the ban on Same-Sex Marriage, the status quo, in those states that are under the 5th which include Texas, Mississippi, and Louisiana, all red states by the way. So, that can only mean that in order for those states to receive true justice for its Gay and Lesbian citizens it will have to be appealed further to the full court or preferably to the SCOTUS for a final mandate and decision. That will result in further twisting the High Court's arm to hear the cases over Same-Sex Marriage that the 5th has planned to hear Jan. 9th in New Orleans.

It would be even more than surprising to learn that the 5th did the right thing by ruling to strike down the ban on S-SM in the states affected but I'm certainly not holding my breath on that, so it appears at this point that it is all but a given that appellants in those states will be appealing to the SCOTUS. That's the problem with having a majority of conservatives in such high positions. The people always lose in the end and have to fight it out and end up spending their good money on further appeals.

TrueBlue
01-01-2015, 03:39 PM
OMG. If there was ever a thread begging to be trolled it's this one. Alas, out of respect for the forum and the mods I shan't.
http://smiley.nowdararpour.ir/ahswen/80.gifWell of course it would be a trolling and you know it. Glad you had the good sense to admit it.

Animal Mother
01-01-2015, 04:04 PM
I think children are born knowing how to love....they have to be taught to hate....imho

That is a huge myth. Look at toddlers. Until you teach them to behave and share they don't. They know only what they want. My nephew stomps his foot throws things etc.

In Enter the Dragon, the bad guy says we are born knowing only life and want to survive.

Animal Mother
01-01-2015, 04:08 PM
Here is an important follow-up to this story.

Dan Savage: Prosecute Transgender Teen Leelah Alcorn's Parents for Abuse

http://www.towleroad.com/2014/12/savagealcorn.html


I agree. Bad parents whose kids kill themselves, others, or get charged wtih felonies should be prosecuted. We'd see a very different election results after that.

PolWatch
01-01-2015, 04:15 PM
That is a huge myth. Look at toddlers. Until you teach them to behave and share they don't. They know only what they want. My nephew stomps his foot throws things etc.

In Enter the Dragon, the bad guy says we are born knowing only life and want to survive.

not wanting to share is not the same as hating someone. He stomps his feet because he wants his way...not because he wants to stomp you to death.

Animal Mother
01-01-2015, 04:20 PM
not wanting to share is not the same as hating someone. He stomps his feet because he wants his way...not because he wants to stomp you to death.

You're not born hating or loving. Those are feelings that arise when humans are treated well or not. You don't hate kids as a kid unless they're dicks to you. You may be wary of kids that look different but hate is a very strong emotion that comes from experience. This is evolutionary biology at work.

All this crap about kids being angels is crap. They're just kids.

PolWatch
01-01-2015, 04:26 PM
I never said they were angels. Just that they have to be taught to hate. Pick up a baby...chances are he will snuggle up to you. Is that love? Or just wanting a warm spot? Either way, he isn't trying to hit you. He doesn't learn to strike out unless he has been taught. He may be angry if you take his bottle but that isn't hate...its self preservation and selfish behavior. Babies know they are the center of the universe and they expect the rest of us to know that too.

TrueBlue
01-01-2015, 04:40 PM
Ohio: 17 Year Old Transgender Teenager Commits Suicide, Leaves Heartbreaking Suicide Note

http://randyreport.blogspot.com/2014/12/ohio-17-year-old-transgender-teenager.html




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This is truly heartbreaking and most unfortunate but that is exactly what happens when someone within the LGBT community feels harsh rejection and exactly what I've been talking about that has to stop and what led me to support the LGBT community as I've spoken about extensively under the thread entitled "Peace Train", by Alyosha. It is Posting #39 and appears on Page 4 entitled "An Important Message."

Dear Leelah We Love You. May your soul rest in peace. http://smiley.nowdararpour.ir/facebook/12.png
This story has now gone viral! It is the TOP STORY HEADLINE ON CNN!

An Ohio transgender teen's suicide, a mother's anguish

http://us.cnn.com/2014/12/31/us/ohio-transgender-teen-suicide/index.html?hpt=hp_t1


"The teenager's death has ignited intensely emotional reactions across social media. The hashtag #LeelahAlcorn is carrying messages of support for all transgender people. Many posts are hateful and vengeful notes directed at the teen's parents."

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Well Pol was right about the anguish part. But like I said, it is too late now to think about what the mom should have done when Leelah was reaching out to her. But that is the usual sentiment that they're in anguish, etc. Why not think and consider beforehand of what can happen to their child if they do not love them As They Are.

Animal Mother
01-01-2015, 04:41 PM
I never said they were angels. Just that they have to be taught to hate. Pick up a baby...chances are he will snuggle up to you. Is that love? Or just wanting a warm spot? Either way, he isn't trying to hit you. He doesn't learn to strike out unless he has been taught. He may be angry if you take his bottle but that isn't hate...its self preservation and selfish behavior. Babies know they are the center of the universe and they expect the rest of us to know that too.

Pick up your own baby and it will snuggle. Take someone else's baby away from its mother and you're the antichrist.

Animal Mother
01-01-2015, 04:42 PM
This story has now gone viral! It is the TOP STORY HEADLINE ON CNN!

An Ohio transgender teen's suicide, a mother's anguish

http://us.cnn.com/2014/12/31/us/ohio-transgender-teen-suicide/index.html?hpt=hp_t1



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Well Pol was right about the anguish part. But like I said, it is too late now to think about what the mom should have done when Leelah was reaching out to her. But that is the usual sentiment that they're in anguish, etc. Why not think and consider beforehand of what can happen to their child if they do not love them As They Are.


I'm about science. Where is a neurologist's conclusions on transgenderism? Last I read gender is a social construct anyway.

TrueBlue
01-01-2015, 06:09 PM
I'm about science. Where is a neurologist's conclusions on transgenderism? Last I read gender is a social construct anyway.
Got it. Then you should really enjoy the following two scientific reports. One from a Transgendered professor with Two Doctorates.

Transgender experience led Stanford scientist to critique gender difference

http://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2006/07/transgender-experience-led-stanford-scientist-to-critique-gender-difference.html

Imaging the transgendered brain

http://mindhacks.com/2009/04/05/imaging-the-transgendered-brain/

Howey
01-01-2015, 06:20 PM
breaking newsbreaking newsbreaking news

this hasn't even hit the interwebs yet.

fl atty general pam bondi has announced that the state will not stop gay marriages in florida.

Animal Mother
01-01-2015, 06:23 PM
Got it. Then you should really enjoy the following two scientific reports. One from a Transgendered professor with Two Doctorates.

Transgender experience led Stanford scientist to critique gender difference

http://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2006/07/transgender-experience-led-stanford-scientist-to-critique-gender-difference.html

Imaging the transgendered brain

http://mindhacks.com/2009/04/05/imaging-the-transgendered-brain/


Thanks dude. I'm going to read this.

Animal Mother
01-01-2015, 06:31 PM
TrueBlue

I downloaded one of his papers from academia and I found something interesting in the study of MtF transgender people. That most of their brain regions correspond to "cismale" but they have more grey matter associated with "ciswomen".

It also points to a Spanish research from 2010 that said at a teen stage whichever hormone they're given will tip them either way.

If a boy born in a boy's body with female gender urges could be given male hormone therapies to make him feel male again, why wouldn't you do that instead of giving him female hormones and potentially surgically altering his body?

One is less invasive.

TrueBlue
01-01-2015, 07:31 PM
@TrueBlue (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1308)

I downloaded one of his papers from academia and I found something interesting in the study of MtF transgender people. That most of their brain regions correspond to "cismale" but they have more grey matter associated with "ciswomen".

It also points to a Spanish research from 2010 that said at a teen stage whichever hormone they're given will tip them either way.

If a boy born in a boy's body with female gender urges could be given male hormone therapies to make him feel male again, why wouldn't you do that instead of giving him female hormones and potentially surgically altering his body?

One is less invasive.
Well I would think the danger in giving them hormones, etc. is in creating Frankengender people by forcing them to be what one wants them to be and to look as they want them to look instead of providing it merely and solely as an alternative and as for it to be their own individual choice. Because, since they are individuals and not clones of another person, shouldn't it really be about their choice to be who they feel they truly are?

Howey
01-01-2015, 08:31 PM
http://www.eqfl.org/marriagenews5

January 1, 2015) – Today, federal district court Judge Robert L. Hinkle confirmed his marriage ruling in a new order stating that clerks of ALL Florida counties must issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples after his stay expires end of day January 5th.

When the stay of his prior order invalidating Florida’s ban on marriage by same-sex couples expires on January 5, 2015, the federal Constitution requires that all Florida county clerks must issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples.

“We believe Judge Hinkle's order was clear from the beginning, said Nadine Smith, CEO of Equality Florida. “We are pleased that he has put an end to the unnecessary confusion caused by a misguided legal memo by a private law firm. We look forward to January 6th when couples who have waited for this day can finally be married, and those of us married elsewhere are finally able to fully protect our families.”

Alyosha
01-01-2015, 09:49 PM
Howey, at the risk of bringing you-know-who back, when's the big day?

Cthulhu
01-01-2015, 10:56 PM
First of all, it would never happen as there is no legal precedent for any government organization to compel anyone to attend a Satanic convention and I quite frankly do not see that stance ever changing so that is a moot issue.

But if that was ever to change, (fat chance!!) then I would certainly have the option to call in sick as so many do. Something those firemen could have also done.
I think you're missing the point.

You shouldn't have to *be sick* to get out of doing something against your personal creed.

I should be able to say hell no. While wearing nothing but sweat pants and a baseball cap on backwards - without fear of compulsion via the state.

Social pressure is one thing - I'm a big fan of it. But at the barrel of the state's gun?

Party foul man.


Sent from my evil cell phone.

Cthulhu
01-01-2015, 11:06 PM
Well I would think the danger in giving them hormones, etc. is in creating Frankengender people by forcing them to be what one wants them to be and to look as they want them to look instead of providing it merely and solely as an alternative and as for it to be their own individual choice. Because, since they are individuals and not clones of another person, shouldn't it really be about their choice to be who they feel they truly are?
I am all about individual liberty. But that is after the children leave the nest.

This line of thinking stomps all over parental necessities if ever put it into action. Children require parental guidance and restraint for their survival.


Sent from my evil cell phone.

Howey
01-02-2015, 12:49 AM
Howey, at the risk of bringing you-know-who back, when's the big day?

Don't know. Logistics problem.

TrueBlue
01-02-2015, 12:12 PM
I am all about individual liberty. But that is after the children leave the nest.

This line of thinking stomps all over parental necessities if ever put it into action. Children require parental guidance and restraint for their survival.
You would surely fit right in with Nazi Germany as well as most current Communist countries with your way of thinking.

TrueBlue
01-02-2015, 12:14 PM
I think you're missing the point.

You shouldn't have to *be sick* to get out of doing something against your personal creed.

I should be able to say hell no. While wearing nothing but sweat pants and a baseball cap on backwards - without fear of compulsion via the state.

Social pressure is one thing - I'm a big fan of it. But at the barrel of the state's gun?

Party foul man.
And yet if you do as you would like to do you would find your ass out on the street faster than I can bat an eye and rightfully so.

Alyosha
01-02-2015, 12:23 PM
You would surely fit right in with Nazi Germany as well as most current Communist countries with your way of thinking.

That's not only incorrect to say, but not nice.

Poorly done, Trueblue. Poorly done.

TrueBlue
01-02-2015, 01:53 PM
That's not only incorrect to say, but not nice.

Poorly done, Trueblue. Poorly done.
Yet what was said is intuitively obvious to the most casual observer, Aly. The Truth does hurt many especially when they're in such denial that their position, thoughts, and actions wouldn't hurt anyone.

Animal Mother
01-02-2015, 01:58 PM
Well I would think the danger in giving them hormones, etc. is in creating Frankengender people by forcing them to be what one wants them to be and to look as they want them to look instead of providing it merely and solely as an alternative and as for it to be their own individual choice. Because, since they are individuals and not clones of another person, shouldn't it really be about their choice to be who they feel they truly are?


So you don't agree with giving transgender kids hormones either way, right? If a hormone can align their brain back to their physical body, how is that different than giving them hormones and surgery to align their body to what is only 20% of their brain acting as female?

It makes more sense to realign them to their physical body rather than risk the cancer and other details of switching the body to look like the gender their brain is semi-aligning with.

It makes more sense to switch them to the sex they were born as especially if the majority of their neurology still functions as that sex/gender.

It's more of a Frankenstein mentality to give them hormones and cut them up and mutilate their physical body to look a certain way then to just give them hormones to make them feel aligned again.

Animal Mother
01-02-2015, 01:59 PM
Yet what was said is intuitively obvious to the most casual observer, Aly. The Truth does hurt many especially when they're in such denial that their position, thoughts, and actions wouldn't hurt anyone.

He's many things a Nazi or Commie is not one of them. This is apparent to people who have even a casual understanding of history. You can't be antistate and a Nazi.

TrueBlue
01-02-2015, 02:12 PM
FLORIDA: Liberty Counsel Claims "Victory" In Ruling By Federal Judge Robert Hinkle

http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2015/01/florida-liberty-counsel-claims-victory.html


"Indeed, the new order clarifies that the injunction is limited to the plaintiffs in the case, expressly holding, “The preliminary injunction now in effect thus does not require the [Washington County] Clerk to issue licenses to other applicants.” The Washington Clerk had requested the clarification last week."

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Yesterday brought good news to Floridians and Same Sex Marriage. Today, this ruling may change things and the fight continues between those who have the right to marry whom they love and those who want to stick their nose into those people's affairs and prevent such marriages without any real evidence to the contrary of why it should not happen.

But perhaps there might be a work-around here? Since the ruling now states it can happen only to the folks who filed for it and marriages can take place only in that county, perhaps those still wishing to marry in Florida can simply go to that county and marry there?

Dr. Who
01-02-2015, 02:23 PM
So you don't agree with giving transgender kids hormones either way, right? If a hormone can align their brain back to their physical body, how is that different than giving them hormones and surgery to align their body to what is only 20% of their brain acting as female?

It makes more sense to realign them to their physical body rather than risk the cancer and other details of switching the body to look like the gender their brain is semi-aligning with.

It makes more sense to switch them to the sex they were born as especially if the majority of their neurology still functions as that sex/gender.

It's more of a Frankenstein mentality to give them hormones and cut them up and mutilate their physical body to look a certain way then to just give them hormones to make them feel aligned again.
Do we even know that giving testosterone to a transgendered male will change his self-image or will it just make him a more volatile person? From what I've read about the theories behind homosexuality and transgenderism there is one theory that involves the over abundance or under abundance of sex hormones during gestation. That may affect the development of certain parts of the brain, based on studies. If true, that will not change by adding hormones after the fact any more than adding growth hormone will cause an underdeveloped limb to grow.

TrueBlue
01-02-2015, 02:26 PM
He's many things a Nazi or Commie is not one of them. This is apparent to people who have even a casual understanding of history. You can't be antistate and a Nazi.
Yet didn't the Nazis want full control over others like the writer wants for parents to have over children? And the Communist Manifesto is to completely control their people. Sorry if you don't like it but it is in that context that it was said. You see, it's all about Control over others no matter how they put it, control when they are at their most vulnerable and that's a real shame and I see similar parallels here.

PolWatch
01-02-2015, 02:29 PM
I have to ask, would you be as supportive of government interference if the parents in question were supportive of sexual reassignment and the community objected to a child receiving the surgery before their majority?

TrueBlue
01-02-2015, 02:40 PM
So you don't agree with giving transgender kids hormones either way, right? If a hormone can align their brain back to their physical body, how is that different than giving them hormones and surgery to align their body to what is only 20% of their brain acting as female?

It makes more sense to realign them to their physical body rather than risk the cancer and other details of switching the body to look like the gender their brain is semi-aligning with.

It makes more sense to switch them to the sex they were born as especially if the majority of their neurology still functions as that sex/gender.

It's more of a Frankenstein mentality to give them hormones and cut them up and mutilate their physical body to look a certain way then to just give them hormones to make them feel aligned again.
Again, I have to repeat that it is all about CONTROL over others. That is blatantly wrong to do. You and others should never be deciding what is best for a person who feels totally comfortable being who they are.

TrueBlue
01-02-2015, 02:51 PM
I have to ask, would you be as supportive of government interference if the parents in question were supportive of sexual reassignment and the community objected to a child receiving the surgery before their majority?
First of all, it should always be the CHOICE of the individual involved. If the parents are consulted by the person, be it son or daughter, seeking sexual reassignment and that person actively seeks their help or approval then that's another matter. But to just horn in to the situation by parents and especially the community of whose business this would not be, then no, that would be wrong.

PolWatch
01-02-2015, 02:55 PM
First of all, it should always be the CHOICE of the individual involved. If the parents are consulted by the person, be it son or daughter, seeking sexual reassignment and that person actively seeks their help or approval then that's another matter. But to just horn in to the situation by parents and especially the community of whose business this would not be, then no, that would be wrong.

So the fella who wants to sue the parents is poking his nose into something that is none of his business?

Cthulhu
01-02-2015, 03:14 PM
You would surely fit right in with Nazi Germany as well as most current Communist countries with your way of thinking.


And yet if you do as you would like to do you would find your ass out on the street faster than I can bat an eye and rightfully so.



Yet what was said is intuitively obvious to the most casual observer, Aly. The Truth does hurt many especially when they're in such denial that their position, thoughts, and actions wouldn't hurt anyone.

*facepalm*

Dude...whatever.


Sent from my evil cell phone.

Cthulhu
01-02-2015, 03:16 PM
So you don't agree with giving transgender kids hormones either way, right? If a hormone can align their brain back to their physical body, how is that different than giving them hormones and surgery to align their body to what is only 20% of their brain acting as female?

It makes more sense to realign them to their physical body rather than risk the cancer and other details of switching the body to look like the gender their brain is semi-aligning with.

It makes more sense to switch them to the sex they were born as especially if the majority of their neurology still functions as that sex/gender.

It's more of a Frankenstein mentality to give them hormones and cut them up and mutilate their physical body to look a certain way then to just give them hormones to make them feel aligned again.
Dude, spot on.

"Why use a sledgehammer when a feather will suffice?" Is what comes to my mind.


Sent from my evil cell phone.

TrueBlue
01-02-2015, 03:32 PM
*facepalm*

Dude...whatever.
Look, you and others are acting as if I had said you were unequivocally a Nazi and/or a Communist. I did not say that at all. I said you would fit right in to their way of thinking such as to exert control over others. Period. That's it.

TrueBlue
01-02-2015, 03:38 PM
So the fella who wants to sue the parents is poking his nose into something that is none of his business?
That's for the law to decide if he even has standing in the matter. I'm not a lawyer so I don't know if he legally could pursue that or not.

Cthulhu
01-02-2015, 03:52 PM
Look, you and others are acting as if I had said you were unequivocally a Nazi and/or a Communist. I did not say that at all. I said you would fit right in to their way of thinking such as to exert control over others. Period. That's it.
Backpedal all you like. It makes no difference.

User Cthulhu not affected.


Sent from my evil cell phone.

Codename Section
01-02-2015, 03:56 PM
Again, I have to repeat that it is all about CONTROL over others. That is blatantly wrong to do. You and others should never be deciding what is best for a person who feels totally comfortable being who they are.

So if someone is depressed due to their brain not making enough chemicals we should leave them that way, too?

He was citing a study which said that male transsexuals who feel female have a 20% female neurology which can be altered back to 100% male with the right hormones. Even if they wanted to take female hormones they are still taking hormones.

TrueBlue
01-02-2015, 04:00 PM
Backpedal all you like. It makes no difference.

User Cthulhu not affected.
Hey, there's no backpedaling here at all. I'm just telling it like it is. But since it makes no difference to you, so whatever.

PolWatch
01-02-2015, 04:05 PM
That's for the law to decide if he even has standing in the matter. I'm not a lawyer so I don't know if he legally could pursue that or not.

Tru, immediately after you posted the story you seemed to praising the attorney for his involvement. I think the child's suicide is a horrible thing and, like you, I think the parents could have behaved in a more compassionate fashion. However, the child was a minor and I don't agree with government or others interfering in something that is a judgement call by the parents. We have no right to interfere in another's child rearing techniques unless abuse or neglect is involved....even if we disagree. I can only feel compassion for the parents in their grief and (I suspect) the guilt they must be feeling.

Codename Section
01-02-2015, 04:12 PM
Lots of parents say insensitive things from time to time and regret it later or even change their mind with thought. This kid may not have given them the time. They will regret those words forever and those asshole fucks want to prosecute for some political whatever?

When people ask me why I hate Democrats more than Republicans, that is why. It's never Republicans wanting to do this shit.

TrueBlue
01-02-2015, 04:17 PM
So if someone is depressed due to their brain not making enough chemicals we should leave them that way, too?

He was citing a study which said that male transsexuals who feel female have a 20% female neurology which can be altered back to 100% male with the right hormones. Even if they wanted to take female hormones they are still taking hormones.
You bring up an interesting point, Codename. If someone is genuinely ill and the person cannot make a qualified decision for themselves but needs immediate medical attention then there are the courts that can decide such issues in most states, to my understanding.

But to just attempt to know what is best for them by trying to give them something they may not personally want to have is wrong no matter how well meaning or intentioned it may be. But that has been the traditional right-wing thinking that they know what is best for another person. They don't. It demeans an individual's personal right and their liberty to heal themselves as they deem appropriate with treatment(s) of their choice. Last I heard they still maintain free will in such matters and should unless they are so incapacitated that they can't make a good, sane, and logical decision for themselves.

Codename Section
01-02-2015, 04:22 PM
You bring up an interesting point, Codename. If someone is genuinely ill and the person cannot make a qualified decision for themselves but needs immediate medical attention then there are the courts that can decide such issues in most states, to my understanding.

The neurology thing you pointed to led to research which states in the transexuals that the majority of their brain still works like their biological sex. 80% versus 20%, so it makes sense to fix it early so they're happier and not at 14 killing themselves because they are confused.

Giving a male male hormones won't hurt him as much as giving a male female hormones and then cutting off his penis and inserting it as a fake vagina.

You'd have the male kid get female hormones and mutilate his own body rather than fix it if you can because that's political correctness overriding common sense.

TrueBlue
01-02-2015, 08:43 PM
The neurology thing you pointed to led to research which states in the transexuals that the majority of their brain still works like their biological sex. 80% versus 20%, so it makes sense to fix it early so they're happier and not at 14 killing themselves because they are confused.

Giving a male male hormones won't hurt him as much as giving a male female hormones and then cutting off his penis and inserting it as a fake vagina.

You'd have the male kid get female hormones and mutilate his own body rather than fix it if you can because that's political correctness overriding common sense.
Uh, no. My position has been constant in that it should be left up entirely to the person involved to make their own decisions. That's how it should be without any coaxing or arm twisting from those who wanted her to continue being a he. Control is not our style.

Cthulhu
01-02-2015, 08:52 PM
Uh, no. My position has been constant in that it should be left up entirely to the person involved to make their own decisions. That's how it should be without any coaxing or arm twisting from those who wanted her to continue being a he. Control is not our style.
So you oppose someone being penalized for refusing to make a wedding cake for a homosexual couple then?


Sent from my evil cell phone.

Redrose
01-02-2015, 08:55 PM
if anyone is looking for me...I'll be right here, drooling....uh...looking.... hey! @silvereyes (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1218)! here I am!


I can't get all mushy over a guy with better hair than me.

PolWatch
01-02-2015, 10:03 PM
I can't get all mushy over a guy with better hair than me.

he has hair?

Alyosha
01-02-2015, 10:12 PM
Uh, no. My position has been constant in that it should be left up entirely to the person involved to make their own decisions. That's how it should be without any coaxing or arm twisting from those who wanted her to continue being a he. Control is not our style.


1. So you believe a child has these rights? If the male hormones can align their male gender with their male body, you think they should be allowed to go the opposite way even if it involves dangerous female hormones and physical alteration such as the removal of organs?

If "yes" then you also believe a child has a right to deny any medical treatment? Or to choose gay reparation therapy?

2. If you are about choice do you also believe that people have the right to choose not to hire someone or perform labor for them?


As a libertarian I think none of these things are public business. The government should stay out of it, as should all of us.

And honestly I think Dan Savage has a history of being overly aggressive and assholish, including his prior statements about "trannies" so he's not one to talk.

Just sayin'.

Dr. Who
01-02-2015, 11:38 PM
1. So you believe a child has these rights? If the male hormones can align their male gender with their male body, you think they should be allowed to go the opposite way even if it involves dangerous female hormones and physical alteration such as the removal of organs?

If "yes" then you also believe a child has a right to deny any medical treatment? Or to choose gay reparation therapy?

2. If you are about choice do you also believe that people have the right to choose not to hire someone or perform labor for them?


As a libertarian I think none of these things are public business. The government should stay out of it, as should all of us.

And honestly I think Dan Savage has a history of being overly aggressive and assholish, including his prior statements about "trannies" so he's not one to talk.

Just sayin'.
No one under the age of majority should be allowed to undergo gender reassignment surgery. No parent should be allowed to authorize it and no doctor should be allowed to perform it. Even at eighteen people can live to regret their choices. I knew someone who did. This was many years ago. I knew this girl - well I say girl, because at the time I didn't know she was actually a he. She was very petite and very pretty, but it turned out she was a he and only 18 years old. She had the surgery. I ran into her a few years later. She regretted the choice she made at 18 and if she could do it all again, she wouldn't have done it. At the time she was looking into having herself turned back into a guy. I don't know what happened, since I lost touch with her. Playing with hormones is also something that should not take place until the person has finished growing. I don't imagine that it can be prohibited by law, but sex hormones administered when someone is still growing can stunt their growth and who knows what other deleterious affects on development. I don't think anyone who is not an adult should be permitted to make these decisions and no adult should be allowed to make them for them.

Parents of transgendered kids should be sensitive to their feelings and if they want to dress like the opposite sex, they should be allowed. Beyond that, the child needs to wait until he or she is of age to make those decisions for themselves.

Alyosha
01-02-2015, 11:44 PM
There are many people who regret their gender reassignment surgeries. This is not a unique phenomenon. After reading those papers and realizing that people can receive extra hormones for their same sex and it was similar (neurologically) to menopause I wonder how many people we have unduly harmed by giving into their immediate wants for lack of better medical understanding.

Sometimes politics overrides science and it may continue to do so in this case because of the pathology (scientifically used) of transgenderism and how we perceive gender.

We tell people if you have feelings "x" that's womanly or manly, when really these are sociological guesses.

The paper speaks to a deficiency in grey versus white cells and that to me is a medical condition that is fixable no differently than dopamine deficiency. We wouldn't think to not correct that or indulge that. We would fix it.

Someone said once that we lack the wisdom for our technology.

PolWatch
01-02-2015, 11:45 PM
I don't remember what the exact age is but I remember reading a study that said the human brain is not mature until past 20 or so.

Dark Mistress
01-02-2015, 11:49 PM
I can't get all mushy over a guy with better hair than me.

Haha!

It is rather "pretty" isn't it?

Not as pretty as Legolas' in LOTR... Now he had some beautiful blonde hair. I love blonde hair, but not necessarily blonde dudes...

Dark Mistress
01-02-2015, 11:52 PM
Hey, there's no backpedaling here at all. I'm just telling it like it is. But since it makes no difference to you, so whatever.


Do tell me some more about my husband TrueBlue

Since you are the expert here :wink:

Alyosha
01-02-2015, 11:59 PM
Do tell me some more about my husband @TrueBlue (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1308)

Since you are the expert here :wink:

He's a Nazi and Communist apparently.

Dark Mistress
01-03-2015, 12:01 AM
He's a Nazi and Communist apparently.

I am astounded at this reveal. Good thing he's married to one. :wink:

PolWatch
01-03-2015, 12:03 AM
Did you know he has evil cell phone?

Dark Mistress
01-03-2015, 12:10 AM
Did you know he has evil cell phone?

OMGOSH!

You know, my screen name on here came from him. He always referred to me as the "Dark Mistress" and when people who didn't know me heard this reference they thought I was... not a very nice person.

Everything is "evil" according to Cthulhu.

PolWatch
01-03-2015, 12:25 AM
This is the article on brain maturity:

(PhysOrg.com) -- New research from the UK shows the brain continues to develop after childhood and puberty, and is not fully developed until people are well into their 30s and 40s. The findings contradict current theories that the brain matures much earlier.

Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2010-12-brain-fully-mature-30s-40s.html#jCp

Dark Mistress
01-03-2015, 12:27 AM
This is the article on brain maturity:

(PhysOrg.com) -- New research from the UK shows the brain continues to develop after childhood and puberty, and is not fully developed until people are well into their 30s and 40s. The findings contradict current theories that the brain matures much earlier.

Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2010-12-brain-fully-mature-30s-40s.html#jCp

Interesting.

There is hope for me after all. :laugh:

Cthulhu
01-03-2015, 04:05 AM
Did you know he has evil cell phone?
It grew spider legs and ate a kitten once.

True story.


OMGOSH!

You know, my screen name on here came from him. He always referred to me as the "Dark Mistress" and when people who didn't know me heard this reference they thought I was... not a very nice person.

Everything is "evil" according to Cthulhu.

Not everything. I think toilet paper is pretty great.

But bacon is proof of God's love of humanity.


Sent from my evil cell phone.

Peter1469
01-03-2015, 07:40 AM
I don't remember what the exact age is but I remember reading a study that said the human brain is not mature until past 20 or so.25 for males

TrueBlue
01-03-2015, 12:03 PM
He's a Nazi and Communist apparently.
http://smiley.nowdararpour.ir/ahswen/80.gifSure takes one to know one, doesn't it Aly! :)

Codename Section
01-03-2015, 12:07 PM
http://smiley.nowdararpour.ir/ahswen/80.gifSure takes one to know one, doesn't it Aly! :)

You're a Nazi and a Communist? I figure it was something like that. :wink:

Codename Section
01-03-2015, 12:07 PM
Anyway everyone back on track and no name-calling. Let's keep this thread civil.

TrueBlue
01-03-2015, 02:39 PM
Anyway everyone back on track and no name-calling. Let's keep this thread civil.
Exactly! No one here is a Nazi or a Communist for the record.

Howey
01-03-2015, 03:27 PM
Our local court house has announced they will start marrying gays Tuesday am. :)

TrueBlue
01-03-2015, 03:45 PM
Our local court house has announced they will start marrying gays Tuesday am. :)
Wonderful, Howey! That's great!! http://smiley.nowdararpour.ir/happy/2.gifhttp://smiley.nowdararpour.ir/happy/62.gif

Dark Mistress
01-03-2015, 04:10 PM
Anyway everyone back on track and no name-calling. Let's keep this thread civil.
My civility is running low these days....

Captain Obvious
01-05-2015, 12:37 PM
Another gay thread, woo hoo...

http://www.npr.org/2015/01/04/374857829/a-pastor-moves-past-his-attraction-to-men-and-so-does-his-wife


In The Sunday Conversation, Weekend Edition Sunday brings listeners an unexpected side of the news by talking with someone personally affected by the stories making headlines.

Allan Edwards is the pastor of Kiski Valley Presbyterian Church in western Pennsylvania, a congregation of the Presbyterian Church in America. He's attracted to men, but considers acting on that attraction a sin. Accordingly, Edwards has chosen not to act on it.

"I think we all have part of our desires that we choose not to act on, right?" he says. "So for me, it's not just that the religion was important to me, but communion with a God who loves me, who accepts me right where I am."

Where he is now is married. He and his wife, Leanne Edwards, are joyfully expecting a baby in July.



http://media.npr.org/assets/img/2015/01/04/allan-and-leeanne-2_sq-65a61d9d72a4ecb11668078e511c6d83d49515d0-s300-c85.jpg

Private Pickle
01-05-2015, 12:50 PM
Another gay thread, woo hoo...

http://www.npr.org/2015/01/04/374857829/a-pastor-moves-past-his-attraction-to-men-and-so-does-his-wife



http://media.npr.org/assets/img/2015/01/04/allan-and-leeanne-2_sq-65a61d9d72a4ecb11668078e511c6d83d49515d0-s300-c85.jpg

They look like they are related. At least cousins....

Captain Obvious
01-05-2015, 12:54 PM
They look like they are related. At least cousins....

I was just going to say, except for the possible huge hips and thighs, she's almost... uhh, ah - fuck it.

Private Pickle
01-05-2015, 12:57 PM
I was just going to say, except for the possible huge hips and thighs, she's almost... uhh, ah - fuck it.

She should definitely wear vertical stripes...

TrueBlue
01-05-2015, 01:58 PM
TEXAS: Freedom To Marriage Launches Ad

http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2015/01/texas-freedom-to-marriage-launches-ad.html


"Freedom to Marry began airing a statewide television ad this week in Texas featuring Fort Worth police officers who speak out in support of their gay colleague’s freedom to marry."


"George W. Bush media advisor Mark McKinnon serves as a chair of the campaign."

====================================
Even police officers are speaking out supporting those whom they work with to have the freedom to marry! The 5th Circuit Court of Appeals hears the Texas case for marriage equality on January 9th. And guess who's chairing the campaign?

TrueBlue
01-06-2015, 04:55 PM
Amazing Night In Florida As Same-Sex Marriage Begins

http://randyreport.blogspot.com/2015/01/amazing-night-in-florida-as-same-sex.html


"What a gorgeous night for marriage in Florida last evening as marriage equality finally came to the Sunshine State."

========================================


CONGRATULATIONS FLORIDA!!

TrueBlue
01-06-2015, 05:35 PM
Florida Homophobes Sulk In Shadows As Marriages Commence

http://www.queerty.com/florida-homophobes-sulk-in-shadows-as-marriages-commence-20150106


"We’re now up to 36 states with the freedom to marry, and around 70 percent of the U.S. population. Wedding venues, caterers, and planners are already seeing a surge in activity — one restaurant owner says he’s seeing a 35 to 40 percent bump in business."

======================================

Hey! What's there to sulk about? People are now legally marrying their chosen adult partners that they love and have wanted to be married to. That's cause for Great Happiness and Celebration! So why are homophobes sulking so much? Are they afraid that just because a Gay couple married in a distant part of Florida from where they live perhaps somehow their marriage is going to destroy theirs because Gays have that much power over them and their Straight life? Is it due to intense and excruciating fear that the moment a Gay or Lesbian couple says "I Do" their own Heterosexual love for one another will begin to fall apart and be irreparably imperiled and cease to exist? Is it because now all who were against Gay Marriage may somehow be rendered impotent due to a stranger's Gay marriage?

Or is it because RWers now know and realize that they'll have one less group to kick around as before in that state as well as in other states that have legalized Same-Sex Marriage? http://smiley.nowdararpour.ir/msn/35.gif

Captain Obvious
01-07-2015, 02:36 PM
TrueBlue ?

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/01/conservative-uses-teens-suicide-to-smear-transgender-people-as-demon-possessed-lunatics/


Renew America’s Gina Miller responded (http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/miller/150107) to the suicide of Leelah Alcorn by penning in a column in which she blamed liberal approval of “open rebellion against God’s design for human sexuality” and demonic possession for the transgender teen’s death.

In the column, she deliberately refers to Leelah by her birth name, “Joshua,” refusing to respect the teen’s wish that she be referred to with feminine pronouns. Miller wrote that Alcorn was “mentally ill,” which she knows “because 17-year-old Joshua Alcorn believed he was a girl trapped in a boy’s body and had apparently labored under this tragic, ‘transgender’ delusion since he was a little boy.”

Despite the fact that Alcorn’s suicide note specified (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/12/trans-teen-slams-christian-parents-in-posthumous-suicide-note-my-death-needs-to-mean-something/) the treatment by her aggressively Christian parents as a reason for believing she could never find peace in life, Miller wrote that “they cared very deeply for their son, and they knew he had serious mental problems.”

“They tried to get help for him,” she continued, “and I would guess they prayed their hearts out for him, but in the end, he chose the tragic final solution, as do many other people who absurdly believe they are the opposite sex.”

Miller posited another reason that Leelah took her own life — demonic possession.

iustitia
01-07-2015, 02:38 PM
Minus the demonic possession thing I'm in agreement.

Common Sense
01-07-2015, 02:40 PM
I'm amazed at how many people believe in demonic possession.

exotix
01-07-2015, 02:41 PM
All she needs needs now is a Niqāb / Hijab and an AR-15.


Gina Miller, a native of Texas and current resident of the Mississippi Gulf Coast, is a conservative Christian political writer and radio/television voice professional.

http://www.renewamerica.com/images/columnists/lg/miller.jpg

Captain Obvious
01-07-2015, 02:41 PM
I'm amazed at how many people believe in demonic possession.

That's not you saying that, right?

Alyosha
01-07-2015, 02:43 PM
Who is this person? I feel like maybe she's someone who I've never heard of.

Did I mention this guy outside my pharmacy who believes in chemtrails?

iustitia
01-07-2015, 02:43 PM
All she needs needs now is a Niqāb / Hijab and an AR-15.


Gina Miller, a native of Texas and current resident of the Mississippi Gulf Coast, is a conservative Christian political writer and radio/television voice professional.

http://www.renewamerica.com/images/columnists/lg/miller.jpg



How do you function?

Captain Obvious
01-07-2015, 02:44 PM
All she needs needs now is a Niqāb / Hijab and an AR-15.


Gina Miller, a native of Texas and current resident of the Mississippi Gulf Coast, is a conservative Christian political writer and radio/television voice professional.

http://www.renewamerica.com/images/columnists/lg/miller.jpg



She's almost kinda cute but I really need to see the rest of her.

Looks like she could be 7 feet tall.

Mister D
01-07-2015, 02:44 PM
I'm amazed at how many people believe in demonic possession.

I say the same thing about equality. Religious kooks.

Common Sense
01-07-2015, 02:45 PM
I say the same thing about equality. Religious kooks.

Huh?

Mister D
01-07-2015, 02:46 PM
Huh?

Just sayin'. Sometimes I wonder at that weird religious stuff too.

iustitia
01-07-2015, 02:47 PM
http://new4.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/3845100+_7c412f36226d22c44a47c784d2b6b45c.jpg

Alyosha
01-07-2015, 02:48 PM
My father was an altar boy and was in the room with an exorcism. To this day you can freak him out by raising your voice to a certain tone.

exotix
01-07-2015, 02:50 PM
Who is this person?

I feel like maybe she's someone who I've never heard of.

Did I mention this guy outside my pharmacy who believes in chemtrails?
Rabid tea party lunatic.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/RenewAmerica/213504178922
https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/529984_10150876491188923_753372746_n.jpg?oh=380a2a e2bb9fbd5716148fd8f91cebf3&oe=5529C864&__gda__=1430184275_302a359f13a00f1ad8dfd274bb4b069 8

Alyosha
01-07-2015, 02:57 PM
Do we start thread topics on podcast hosts and crazies we meet in alleyways now?

iustitia
01-07-2015, 02:59 PM
I have a neighbor that drives a Hyundai. Pretty sure that makes him a terrorist and worthy of a thread. Amirite?

Alyosha
01-07-2015, 03:01 PM
I have a neighbor that drives a Hyundai. Pretty sure that makes him a terrorist and worthy of a thread. Amirite?

You can probably extrapolate his behavior and apply it to some group on here.

Common Sense
01-07-2015, 03:02 PM
Do we start thread topics on podcast hosts and crazies we meet in alleyways now?

She's a little more than a crazy from an alley. I mean she's crazy, but Renew America is widely read.

Alyosha
01-07-2015, 03:05 PM
She's a little more than a crazy from an alley. I mean she's crazy, but Renew America is widely read.

Why haven't I heard of it if it is widely read?

Common Sense
01-07-2015, 03:10 PM
Why haven't I heard of it if it is widely read?

I dunno. Bob never heard of a PVR until yesterday.

I don't know what people know.

Have you heard of Alan Keyes?

iustitia
01-07-2015, 03:11 PM
Devil's advocate (lolz demonic possession) here...

She's not wrong. Ignoring the demon shit, I doubt his parents were bullies, he isn't a she, and suicide while tragic is a choice.

Also, Alan Keyes is the man.

Alyosha
01-07-2015, 03:12 PM
I dunno. Bob never heard of a PVR until yesterday.

I don't know what people know.

Have you heard of Alan Keyes?

Of course. The token black conservative of yesteryear. I'll assume now that you tell me he writes for this magazine with the lady who has the 1980's hair, yes?

Common Sense
01-07-2015, 03:14 PM
Of course. The token black conservative of yesteryear. I'll assume now that you tell me he writes for this magazine with the lady who has the 1980's hair, yes?

I'd say it's more early 90's.

Alyosha
01-07-2015, 03:14 PM
Devil's advocate (lolz demonic possession) here...

She's not wrong. Ignoring the demon shit, I doubt his parents were bullies, he isn't a she, and suicide while tragic is a choice.

This is all true, but it's much more fun to make fun of backwaters who believe in religion. They won't punch you like the people who believe George Bush had the army corp of engineers blow up the levies before Katrina to kill black people.

We must maintain our double standards or what fun is there?

TrueBlue
01-07-2015, 03:22 PM
@TrueBlue (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1308) ?

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/01/conservative-uses-teens-suicide-to-smear-transgender-people-as-demon-possessed-lunatics/ Captain Obvious If you're asking my opinion on this story presented I would have to say that the writer significantly forgets the teen's dilemma and her feelings. Opting instead to extrapolate from what she may have heard about the story and going with her own feelings and religious upbringings all of which do not help this dire situation at all.

Demon-possession indeed! Everything that doesn't agree with certain RW way of thinking is now attributed to demon possession when nothing could be further from the truth. If the stories about hate coming from religious right circles can also be attributed to their being demon possessed when they said things that hurt the LGBT community, because hate is not something that ever comes from God, then we might be getting closer to the truth to the matter. But absent that, the penchant to blame transgender people on being demon possessed is tantamount to declaring that someone who was born left-handed is also demon possessed. How ridiculous and sad that is but then consider the source.

iustitia
01-07-2015, 03:32 PM
Demon-possession indeed! *Everything that doesn't agree with **certain RW way of thinking is now attributed to demon possession when nothing could be further from the truth. If the stories about ***hate coming from ****religious right circles can also be attributed to their being demon possessed when they said things that *****hurt the ******LGBT community, because *******hate is not something that ever comes from God, then we might be getting closer to the truth to the matter. Blah blah gay gene myth.

* One thing
** Some chick's
***Different opinions
****Christians
*****Discredit
******Homosexual activists
*******LOL What? God hates lots of shit.

Just some minor corrections.

Alyosha
01-07-2015, 03:36 PM
I realized this would turn quickly into "Right Wing" and "Christians" and "hate gays" and "Pope Francis is a Democrat" and "Catholics fuck kids" and "you're stupid" which is why I just shake my head and eat something fatty.

Redrose
01-07-2015, 03:36 PM
@TrueBlue (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1308) ?

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/01/conservative-uses-teens-suicide-to-smear-transgender-people-as-demon-possessed-lunatics/


That opinion is very biased. Her parents were mostly responsible for her torment. Some people, Christian or otherwise firmly believe these issues are a mental health problem. I don't believe that since I witnessed an example first hand. A co-worker was born male but thought and felt as a female. Transgender surgery was done (as an adult) and she is a beautiful female and married. There are many forms of birth defects, she was born "female" with male sex organs. Fortunately she had family support to correct natures error.

The young person in the OP wasn't so fortunate. Saying it's demonic is profoundly ignorant. Having said that, not all the people who claim this are genuine, some are just very confused and need some form of counseling. Family, and friends need to be supportive and understanding of these issues and not be so quick to condemn or worse, ignore these cries for help.

Mac-7
01-07-2015, 03:55 PM
He is a she.

She is really a he.

Two mommies, three daddies.

Modern lib society is insane and it's no wonder that so many children are so confused and unhappy.

Captain Obvious
01-07-2015, 04:03 PM
Captain Obvious If you're asking my opinion on this story presented I would have to say that the writer significantly forgets the teen's dilemma and her feelings. Opting instead to extrapolate from what she may have heard about the story and going with her own feelings and religious upbringings all of which do not help this dire situation at all.

Demon-possession indeed! Everything that doesn't agree with certain RW way of thinking is now attributed to demon possession when nothing could be further from the truth. If the stories about hate coming from religious right circles can also be attributed to their being demon possessed when they said things that hurt the LGBT community, because hate is not something that ever comes from God, then we might be getting closer to the truth to the matter. But absent that, the penchant to blame transgender people on being demon possessed is tantamount to declaring that someone who was born left-handed is also demon possessed. How ridiculous and sad that is but then consider the source.

Yes, I'm asking your opinion.

Common Sense
01-07-2015, 04:06 PM
He is a she.

She is really a he.

Two mommies, three daddies.

Modern lib society is insane and it's no wonder that so many children are so confused and unhappy.

Gays and trans people have always existed. It's just more open now.

TrueBlue
01-07-2015, 04:06 PM
* One thing
** Some chick's
***Different opinions
****Christians
*****Discredit
******Homosexual activists
*******LOL What? God hates lots of shit.

Just some minor corrections.
And just as an acknowledgment, I'm certainly glad that you included "Christians" and "Some chick's" in what you perceive God as hating. Although, God does not 'hate' all Christians but must be certainly very disappointed in those who are of the far right-wing type.

TrueBlue
01-07-2015, 04:15 PM
Yes, I'm asking your opinion.
Great, and you've received it.

exotix
01-07-2015, 04:27 PM
He is a she.

She is really a he.

Two mommies, three daddies.

Modern lib society is insane and it's no wonder that so many children are so confused and unhappy.http://i61.tinypic.com/1z1j5.gif



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsVLIiI8Vfo

Mac-7
01-07-2015, 04:40 PM
Gays and trans people have always existed. It's just more open now.

Yes, a, the modern lib society where anything goes.

Homosexuals are going to be unhappy in or out of the closet because they are defective creatures.

Common Sense
01-07-2015, 04:43 PM
Yes, a, the modern lib society where anything goes.

Homosexuals are going to be unhappy in or out of the closet because they are defective creatures.

No, they have always been around. Probably much happier now that they can't be killed or jailed because of it.

What's your excuse for always being unhappy? I know a lot of happy homosexuals. They don't call them gay for nothing.

Mac-7
01-07-2015, 04:53 PM
What's your excuse for always being unhappy? I know a lot of happy homosexuals. They don't call them gay for nothing.

I suppose the more fellow perverts homosexuals can locate the more comfortable they will be.

But modern libertine culture didn't do the boy in this story any good.

Private Pickle
01-07-2015, 04:55 PM
@TrueBlue (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1308) ?

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/01/conservative-uses-teens-suicide-to-smear-transgender-people-as-demon-possessed-lunatics/

Title is off... It should replace Conservative with Loony...

iustitia
01-07-2015, 05:13 PM
And just as an acknowledgment, I'm certainly glad that you included "Christians" and "Some chick's" in what you perceive God as hating. Although, God does not 'hate' all Christians but must be certainly very disappointed in those who are of the far right-wing type.

*God hates lots of things, again
**There's no such thing as right-wing and your appeal to discredited poli-sci dogma fails each time you invoke it.

Mister D
01-07-2015, 06:52 PM
*God hates lots of things, again
**There's no such thing as right-wing and your appeal to discredited poli-sci dogma fails each time you invoke it.

Very true. There is no political right or at least not one with any electoral significance.

Bo-4
01-07-2015, 06:58 PM
Just sayin'. Sometimes I wonder at that weird religious stuff too.

So you're not a religious kook .. but merely a run of the mill everyday kook?

Okay cool :cool:

Mister D
01-07-2015, 07:02 PM
So you're not a religious kook .. but merely a run of the mill everyday kook?

Okay cool :cool:

You're lame, dude.

Howey
01-07-2015, 07:07 PM
Minus the demonic possession thing I'm in agreement.

Children can be born with body parts and chromozones of both sexes.

God ain't perfect, I guess.

Animal Mother
01-07-2015, 07:07 PM
Gays and trans people have always existed. It's just more open now.

They weren't really hiding.

http://assets.rollingstone.com/assets/images/gallery/photos-elton-johns-outfits-through-the-years-20110202/rectangle.jpg

Howey
01-07-2015, 07:09 PM
She's a little more than a crazy from an alley. I mean she's crazy, but Renew America is widely read.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/RenewAmerica

I truly hope there's not that many crazies in this country.

iustitia
01-07-2015, 07:32 PM
Children can be born with body parts and chromozones of both sexes.

God ain't perfect, I guess.

Right, and those are real things called hermaphroditism, sexual chimerism, and chromosomal disorders.

exotix
01-07-2015, 07:36 PM
Right, and those are real things called hermaphroditism, sexual chimerism, and chromosomal disorders.
Does standing on a dog so momma can share that marvel on facebook count ?

Animal Mother
01-07-2015, 07:40 PM
Does standing on a dog so momma can share that marvel on facebook count ?

So is that a chick in your avatar or a drag chick dude?

iustitia
01-07-2015, 07:42 PM
Does standing on a dog so momma can share that marvel on facebook count ?

In the words of Mister D...


You're lame, dude.

Redrose
01-07-2015, 08:12 PM
Does standing on a dog so momma can share that marvel on facebook count ?


10109

Ellen Degeneres posted this photo on her Facebook page and shared it with her 17 million followers. She received kudos and praise for this "cute" photo. PETA even named here "Woman of the Year" in 2009.

Ellen gets praise and Palin gets slammed. Liberal bullshit bias.

Captain Obvious
01-07-2015, 08:14 PM
10109

Ellen Degeneres posted this photo on her Facebook page and shared it with her 17 million followers. She received kudos and praise for this "cute" photo. PETA even named here "Woman of the Year" in 2009.

Ellen gets praise and Palin gets slammed. Liberal bullshit bias.

Oh the humanity...

exotix
01-07-2015, 08:19 PM
10109

Ellen Degeneres posted this photo on her Facebook page and shared it with her 17 million followers. She received kudos and praise for this "cute" photo. PETA even named here "Woman of the Year" in 2009.

Ellen gets praise and Palin gets slammed. Liberal bull$#@! bias.
Yes but Trig is an *alternate human* ... say, like transgenders ... *snicker*

Redrose
01-07-2015, 08:23 PM
Yes but Trig is an *alternate human* ... say, like transgenders ... *snicker*


WTF is "an alternate human"?

exotix
01-07-2015, 08:25 PM
WTF is "an alternate human"?http://s8.tinypic.com/1z1j5_th.jpg




Right, and those are real things called hermaphroditism, sexual chimerism, and chromosomal disorders.

Animal Mother
01-07-2015, 08:31 PM
I was reading one of TB's links because it was actually scientific and I downloaded the research. Basically in a transgender person 80-90%% of their brain functions the way their body is sexed, but 10-20% functions like the opposite sex. It is how they grey cells and white cells work that's the key. It was actually interesting and not more of that social justice shit Trueblue usually posts.

I love brain science stuff. Anyway, it was interesting because it mimicked a different study on the gay male brain as it is more similar in white matter to the brain of straight females than they are to straight males.

Your white matter is/are myelinated nerve processes that are your "learning" centers and they also coordinate the brain. It's what makes women better multi-taskers because their white matter is thicker than ours. In female to male transgenders, they share the same weight of gray matter with males, but they also have thicker white matter closer to females.

Other than that there is no distinction, just that they have thicker white matter or denser gray matter depending on the gender they "align" with.

What I thought was kinda interesting is that there is no difference when reading these two papers in the gay male brain and the FTM brain, so I'm wondering if it is partially this whole gender as a social construct thing.

They feel "different" than other people who share their organs, but they're not sure why and the things they gravitate to everything is telling them is female/male and not what they are.

What if they didn't have those examples?

Actually interesting study and something to think about. Yes, I think sometimes.

Animal Mother
01-07-2015, 08:33 PM
Yes but Trig is an *alternate human* ... say, like transgenders ... *snicker*

You're an alternate human.

iustitia
01-07-2015, 08:34 PM
Yes but Trig is an *alternate human* ... say, like transgenders ... *snicker*

No, Trig has Down Syndrome which is a real condition caused by a trisomy chromosomes. Boys wearing dresses and wanting to mutilate their genitals is derangement.

exotix
01-07-2015, 08:34 PM
I was reading one of TB's links because it was actually scientific and I downloaded the research. Basically in a transgender person 80-90%% of their brain functions the way their body is sexed, but 10-20% functions like the opposite sex. It is how they grey cells and white cells work that's the key. It was actually interesting and not more of that social justice $#@! Trueblue usually posts.

I love brain science stuff. Anyway, it was interesting because it mimicked a different study on the gay male brain as it is more similar in white matter to the brain of straight females than they are to straight males.

Your white matter is/are myelinated nerve processes that are your "learning" centers and they also coordinate the brain. It's what makes women better multi-taskers because their white matter is thicker than ours. In female to male transgenders, they share the same weight of gray matter with males, but they also have thicker white matter closer to females.

Other than that there is no distinction, just that they have thicker white matter or denser gray matter depending on the gender they "align" with.

What I thought was kinda interesting is that there is no difference when reading these two papers in the gay male brain and the FTM brain, so I'm wondering if it is partially this whole gender as a social construct thing.

They feel "different" than other people who share their organs, but they're not sure why and the things they gravitate to everything is telling them is female/male and not what they are.

What if they didn't have those examples?

Actually interesting study and something to think about. Yes, I think sometimes.
No, Trig has Down Syndrome which is a real condition caused by a trisomy chromosomes. Boys wearing dresses and wanting to mutilate their genitals is derangement.
Is the conscience and soul physiological ?

Animal Mother
01-07-2015, 08:35 PM
Is the conscience and soul physiological ?

What is a soul? What does it look like? :rollseyes:

Captain Obvious
01-07-2015, 08:37 PM
What is a soul? What does it look like? :rollseyes:

http://blog.trialandheirs.com/wp-content/uploads/James_Brown-1.jpg

iustitia
01-07-2015, 08:38 PM
Is the conscience and soul physiological ?

To have a soul means to have life/breathe.

exotix
01-07-2015, 08:38 PM
What is a soul? What does it look like? :rollseyes:
To have a soul means to have life/breathe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-Qva8lG4mY

Captain Obvious
01-07-2015, 08:39 PM
To have a soul means to have life/breathe.

Dogs have souls then?

Redrose
01-07-2015, 08:41 PM
Well, if all dogs go to Heaven, maybe they do.

Animal Mother
01-07-2015, 08:42 PM
There is no heaven. There is no soul. These are those things people tell themselves because they don't like the idea of death.

zelmo1234
01-07-2015, 08:42 PM
You're an alternate human.

Are you sure it is Human?

iustitia
01-07-2015, 08:42 PM
Dogs have souls then?

All life has "soul" in the Hebrew sense. The notion of souls being eternal ghost things I believe derives from Hellenism.

del
01-07-2015, 08:42 PM
To have a soul means to have life/breathe.

so cockroaches have souls?

zelmo1234
01-07-2015, 08:44 PM
There is no heaven. There is no soul. These are those things people tell themselves because they don't like the idea of death.

Well Sorry but I am not going to jump on that bus. And the Greatest part? If I am wrong, I will never know

Captain Obvious
01-07-2015, 08:45 PM
All life has "soul" in the Hebrew sense. The notion of souls being eternal ghost things I believe derives from Hellenism.

I didn't realize you were a lansman

Captain Obvious
01-07-2015, 08:46 PM
Well Sorry but I am not going to jump on that bus. And the Greatest part? If I am wrong, I will never know

Cigar? That you?

iustitia
01-07-2015, 08:46 PM
There is no heaven. There is no soul. These are those things people tell themselves because they don't like the idea of death.

Biblically speaking, you're correct. The Bible in its original form never says people go to Heaven when they die. Likewise, Hell never appears in the Old Testament because it was made up by mistranslating several New Testament words as 'Hell'.

Joseph didn't go to Heaven. Moses didn't go to Heaven. David didn't go to Heaven. Why the hell would my nan?

Captain Obvious
01-07-2015, 08:47 PM
so cockroaches have souls?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBXJ_K4xixI

Animal Mother
01-07-2015, 08:47 PM
Biblically speaking, you're correct. The Bible in its original form never says people go to Heaven when they die. Likewise, Hell never appears in the Old Testament because it was made up by mistranslating several New Testament words as 'Hell'.

Joseph didn't go to Heaven. Moses didn't go to Heaven. David didn't go to Heaven. Why the hell would my nan?

They just floated around like ghosts and talked to Jesus in the garden. I'm familiar. Sounds like a great god if it exists. No heaven, no hell, but you can float around in the ether and give out advice.

No thanks.

iustitia
01-07-2015, 08:48 PM
so cockroaches have souls?

A soul is life breath. To have a soul means the Lord breathed life into you, which is essentially the point of the creation story where God makes Adam from the earth and breathes life into him. This is the soul.

Dr. Who
01-07-2015, 08:51 PM
Yes, a, the modern lib society where anything goes.

Homosexuals are going to be unhappy in or out of the closet because they are defective creatures.
I suppose you could say the same for people born with cleft palates, cerebral palsy, dwarfism, Down's syndrome, and a host of other birth "defects" that make them different from "normal". The difference between the latter and the former, is that we can see and recognize that these are not chosen discrepancies from the norm, but we are far less compassionate about the differences that we cannot see and just assume that they are either chosen or a product of mental illness or some kind of societally influenced body dysmorphia. I can't wait until science nails this down as one of the whimsies of the gestation process and puts an end to the superstitious and/or cynical notions that people have.

Redrose
01-07-2015, 08:54 PM
There is no heaven. There is no soul. These are those things people tell themselves because they don't like the idea of death.

Alrighty then.

Animal Mother
01-07-2015, 09:00 PM
I suppose you could say the same for people born with cleft palates, cerebral palsy, dwarfism, Down's syndrome, and a host of other birth "defects" that make them different from "normal". The difference between the latter and the former, is that we can see and recognize that these are not chosen discrepancies from the norm, but we are far less compassionate about the differences that we cannot see and just assume that they are either chosen or a product of mental illness or some kind of societally influenced body dysmorphia. I can't wait until science nails this down as one of the whimsies of the gestation process and puts an end to the superstitious and/or cynical notions that people have.

Why is transgenderism not a mental illness? Why is having a mental illness so bad? It's just a disease. From everything I've read on this topic lately it's an issue with neurology caused by amophous white matter and increased dopamine receptors. Both of those things in an opiate addict can be reversed.

Saying that there is a stigma to calling homosexuality and transgenderism a mental illness means that mental illness is deserving of a stigma and that's also unscientific and irrational.

According to several studies just by giving them the hormone their sex has in abundance you realign them, no differently than if you gave the opposite sex hormone, but you also have to use surgery--why go through all that if it is unnecessary? To be politically correct?

Will the future thank us for that?

It's not like being gay where you can just fuck a dude or whatever and not cutting yourself up. Howeys just having a boyfriend. Big deal. Performing surgery where you're still not going to turn that person's chromosomes or make them fertile in that sex and they must continue to take drugs seems like the opposite of medicines adage to do no harm.

Howey
01-07-2015, 09:01 PM
I suppose you could say the same for people born with cleft palates, cerebral palsy, dwarfism, Down's syndrome, and a host of other birth "defects" that make them different from "normal". The difference between the latter and the former, is that we can see and recognize that these are not chosen discrepancies from the norm, but we are far less compassionate about the differences that we cannot see and just assume that they are either chosen or a product of mental illness or some kind of societally influenced body dysmorphia. I can't wait until science nails this down as one of the whimsies of the gestation process and puts an end to the superstitious and/or cynical notions that people have.

Normal is in the beholder's eyes. Thankfully, people like Mac-7 don't define normal.

Animal Mother
01-07-2015, 09:02 PM
Alrighty then.

Sorry. I harshed you.

Animal Mother
01-07-2015, 09:04 PM
Normal is in the beholder's eyes. Thankfully, people like @Mac-7 (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1014) don't define normal.

Normal and abnormal are not in the beholder's eyes, the value we place on them is subjective tho. It's not normal to be a super athlete or 6 ft 8. Einstein was not normal.

You're not normal, Howey but you're alright. I may talk shit sometimes but you're alright.

I hate you Chloe. I hate you.

Howey
01-07-2015, 09:04 PM
Why is transgenderism not a mental illness? Why is having a mental illness so bad? It's just a disease. From everything I've read on this topic lately it's an issue with neurology caused by amophous white matter and increased dopamine receptors. Both of those things in an opiate addict can be reversed.

Saying that there is a stigma to calling homosexuality and transgenderism a mental illness means that mental illness is deserving of a stigma and that's also unscientific and irrational.

According to several studies just by giving them the hormone their sex has in abundance you realign them, no differently than if you gave the opposite sex hormone, but you also have to use surgery--why go through all that if it is unnecessary? To be politically correct?

Will the future thank us for that?

It's not like being gay where you can just $#@! a dude or whatever and not cutting yourself up. Howeys just having a boyfriend. Big deal. Performing surgery where you're still not going to turn that person's chromosomes or make them fertile in that sex and they must continue to take drugs seems like the opposite of medicines adage to do no harm.
I think the future will thank us for correcting genetic (or God's) mistakes.

Mister D
01-07-2015, 09:06 PM
If not liking the idea of death caused men to create concepts like heaven and the (saved) soul one would expect to see them much earlier in the history of religion. In fact, they are relatively late developments. The Mesopotamian concept of the afterlife, for example, was rather bleak.

Howey
01-07-2015, 09:06 PM
Normal and abnormal are not in the beholder's eyes, the value we place on them is subjective tho. It's not normal to be a super athlete or 6 ft 8. Einstein was not normal.

You're not normal, Howey but you're alright. I may talk $#@! sometimes but you're alright.

I hate you Chloe. I hate you.

Trust me. I'm painfully normal.

TrueBlue
01-07-2015, 09:08 PM
ITALY: Court Recognizes Citizenship Of Foreign-Born Child Of Gay Parents

http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2015/01/italy-court-recognizes-citizenship-of.html


"Via Reuters:

"An Italian court has for the first time recognised the legal status of a child born to a gay couple in a ruling, made public on Wednesday, that challenges the country's official stance on marriage only being between a man and a woman."


========================================

Those Latins are getting with it in Italy aren't they? Quicker recognition of cases like these is what is sorely needed in other parts of the world. Perhaps they are taking a closer look at the Latin Pope's new feelings on the Gay issue.

iustitia
01-07-2015, 09:08 PM
Normal is in the beholder's eyes. Thankfully, people like @Mac-7 (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1014) don't define normal.

Normal isn't in the eye of the beholder. That said, Mac-7 is pretty abnormal himself.


I think the future will thank us for correcting genetic (or God's) mistakes.

So you do want to be cured.

Animal Mother
01-07-2015, 09:08 PM
I think the future will thank us for correcting genetic (or God's) mistakes.

IF it was 80% female and 20% male brain and you switch the body to female, I'd agree. But their brain is still "male". When the majority in a FTM is still male it makes no sense to cut up the person's body and drug them with opposite sex hormones.

zelmo1234
01-07-2015, 09:08 PM
They just floated around like ghosts and talked to Jesus in the garden. I'm familiar. Sounds like a great god if it exists. No heaven, no hell, but you can float around in the ether and give out advice.

No thanks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hi94mMed6EQ

iustitia
01-07-2015, 09:11 PM
http://i.imgur.com/0OJ4UgS.png

Howey
01-07-2015, 09:13 PM
Normal isn't in the eye of the beholder. That said, Mac-7 is pretty abnormal himself.



So you do want to be cured.

I said mistakes, not blessings.

And by mistakes I don't mean a handicapped child or one with autism or Down's syndrome or other physical and mental disabilities.
I'm talking about narrow-minded, prejudiced, bigoted, homophobic people who have the ability to educate their hatred away but refuse to.

Animal Mother
01-07-2015, 09:13 PM
Yeh Jim? O'Sullivan--remember him? Well, he died gurgling in White's lap. All his praying and he ends up crying as he died because there was nothing. No light, no tunnel, just a lot of pain. And thank you US government for labeling it a "training accident". Fuck you, you bastards.

My father and brother dead, one a twin. If there is some "connection" I'd have felt it. I've prayed countless times for signs. Nothing. There is no proof of anything when we go and I'm fine with that. I will live my life like there is nothing beyond this one and be just fine.

Howey
01-07-2015, 09:15 PM
IF it was 80% female and 20% male brain and you switch the body to female, I'd agree. But their brain is still "male". When the majority in a FTM is still male it makes no sense to cut up the person's body and drug them with opposite sex hormones.
The decision should be left to the person having surgery and his/her loved ones.

Mister D
01-07-2015, 09:16 PM
Yeh Jim? O'Sullivan--remember him? Well, he died gurgling in White's lap. All his praying and he ends up crying as he died because there was nothing. No light, no tunnel, just a lot of pain. And thank you US government for labeling it a "training accident". $#@! you, you $#@!s.

My father and brother dead, one a twin. If there is some "connection" I'd have felt it. I've prayed countless times for signs. Nothing. There is no proof of anything when we go and I'm fine with that. I will live my life like there is nothing beyond this one and be just fine.

I'm fine with it too.

iustitia
01-07-2015, 09:16 PM
I'm talking about narrow-minded, prejudiced, bigoted, homophobic people who have the ability to educate their hatred away but refuse to.

Sooo.... shit that doesn't exist.

Animal Mother
01-07-2015, 09:17 PM
The decision should be left to the person having surgery and his/her loved ones.

What if someone wanted to amputate an arm, would you let them? There are people who have amputation fetishes? I'm asking because as a libertarian I think people have a right to do even that--tho I think that's fucked up, too.

Howey
01-07-2015, 09:18 PM
http://i.imgur.com/0OJ4UgS.png

Umm...it's in the right section. Don't like it don't read it.

Mister D
01-07-2015, 09:19 PM
Sooo.... $#@! that doesn't exist.

Homophobes are like unicorns.

zelmo1234
01-07-2015, 09:19 PM
Yeh Jim? O'Sullivan--remember him? Well, he died gurgling in White's lap. All his praying and he ends up crying as he died because there was nothing. No light, no tunnel, just a lot of pain. And thank you US government for labeling it a "training accident". $#@! you, you $#@!s.

My father and brother dead, one a twin. If there is some "connection" I'd have felt it. I've prayed countless times for signs. Nothing. There is no proof of anything when we go and I'm fine with that. I will live my life like there is nothing beyond this one and be just fine.

Stop listening with your head?

Howey
01-07-2015, 09:20 PM
What if someone wanted to amputate an arm, would you let them? There are people who have amputation fetishes? I'm asking because as a libertarian I think people have a right to do even that--tho I think that's $#@!ed up, too.

ewww...I'll stay out of that one for now.