US closing 15 bases in Europe

[Peter1469]

US closing 15 bases in Europe (http://dailycaller.com/2015/01/08/as-russia-looms-us-decides-to-close-15-military-bases-in-europe/)

It is a good way to cut costs. Keeping US forces overseas is a lot more expensive than having them in the US. We should maintain large logistics hubs- one in South Korea (far south), one Europe, one in Kuwait, and maybe one in Okinawa.

Pull the rest back home. We can transport massive numbers of troops inside of 18 hours. That is why we are a super power and no other nation is. And we can always send expeditionary forces as a show of force at will.


The Pentagon announced plans on Thursday to close 15 military bases in Europe in an effort to save around $500 million dollars a year.

[Polecat]

Good move. Current technology makes bases on foreign soil unnecessary.

[sachem]

US closing 15 bases in Europe (http://dailycaller.com/2015/01/08/as-russia-looms-us-decides-to-close-15-military-bases-in-europe/)

It is a good way to cut costs. Keeping US forces overseas is a lot more expensive than having them in the US. We should maintain large logistics hubs- one in South Korea (far south), one Europe, one in Kuwait, and maybe one in Okinawa.

Pull the rest back home. We can transport massive numbers of troops inside of 18 hours. That is why we are a super power and no other nation is. And we can always send expeditionary forces as a show of force at will.Seems like a good idea.

[Captain Obvious]

The money is needed for drone ops.

[PolWatch]

I can really tell the difference in generations...I still think in terms of needing to have troops stationed in areas that might need them....but the modern military can move in 18 hours....whew!

[Peter1469]

I can really tell the difference in generations...I still think in terms of needing to have troops stationed in areas that might need them....but the modern military can move in 18 hours....whew!

Some of it. We have global response forces. That is a US infantry battalion on call 24-7. The battalion can be anywhere in the world in 18 hours. One company is faster and like 12 hours- at least for airborne units.

Then we have SoF units pre-positioned in hot spots that can react in 3 hours or less.

[Mac-7]

Pull the rest back home.

We can transport massive numbers of troops inside of 18 hours.

That is why we are a super power and no other nation is. And we can always send expeditionary forces as a show of force at will.


I see at least two problems with that fantasy.

As the lib dismantle our military we can't be sure of having air superiority that allows us to fly around the world at our leisure.

And a mothballed army does not leap back to life in 18 hours.

[Mac-7]

I can really tell the difference in generations...I still think in terms of needing to have troops stationed in areas that might need them....but the modern military can move in 18 hours....whew!

Don't believe the bullshit.

You can't move an army in 18 hours.

[Peter1469]

The word fantasy indicates to me that you are confused about the topic.

Mothball is another indicator.



I see at least two problems with that fantasy.

As the lib dismantle our military we can't be sure of having air superiority that allows us to fly around the world at our leisure.

And a mothballed army does not leap back to life in 18 hours.

[Peter1469]

Don't believe the bullshit.

You can't move an army in 18 hours.

You are talking out of your ass. Pay attention to the posts that discuss the topic.

[Peter1469]

Bump for educational purposes.


Some of it. We have global response forces. That is a US infantry battalion on call 24-7. The battalion can be anywhere in the world in 18 hours. One company is faster and like 12 hours- at least for airborne units.

Then we have SoF units pre-positioned in hot spots that can react in 3 hours or less.

[Blackrook]

I don't believe anything I read in newspapers about a more "modern" military capable of moving around the world in 24 hours. A drawback is a drawback. The European nations are not prepared to defend themselves, so this will mean a weakening of NATO. The Russians will respond accordingly.

[Private Pickle]

A Battalion isn't very big...

[Mac-7]

The word fantasy indicates to me that you are confused about the topic.

Mothball is another indicator.

You are going to house the troops thousands of miles away from their equipment and then wait for something to happen?

"Fantasy" is being charitable.

[Common Sense]

http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/drink/popcorn-and-drink-smiley-emoticon.gif

[kilgram]

I recently read that USA was interested in having a permanent base in Spain...

How I would like to exist a government that say to USA, I don't take off my pants anymore, and you can send your base to the shit (literal translation of a vulgar expression to say fuck off).

And also would be nice to say that in this undiplomatic terms.

[Common Sense]

I recently read that USA was interested in having a permanent base in Spain... This contradicts that information :-S

There already is an air force base and a Naval base...

[donttread]

US closing 15 bases in Europe (http://dailycaller.com/2015/01/08/as-russia-looms-us-decides-to-close-15-military-bases-in-europe/)

It is a good way to cut costs. Keeping US forces overseas is a lot more expensive than having them in the US. We should maintain large logistics hubs- one in South Korea (far south), one Europe, one in Kuwait, and maybe one in Okinawa.

Pull the rest back home. We can transport massive numbers of troops inside of 18 hours. That is why we are a super power and no other nation is. And we can always send expeditionary forces as a show of force at will.

I'll believe it, and celebrate it, when I see all those transports flying troops into Fort Drum. Until then, I think its all about politics and games

[Mac-7]

I'll believe it, and celebrate it, when I see all those transports flying troops into Fort Drum. Until then, I think its all about politics and games

Its all about an America hating president do does not want my country to be a superpower anymore.

[Common Sense]

Its all about an America hating president do does not want my country to be a superpower anymore.

LOL...as usual your hatred clouds your judgement.

It seems they will be closing several bases but are basically keeping the same amount of personnel. They are simply closing some of the more redundant useless bases from the cold war and focusing more on trouble spots like Asia. It's a fiscally responsible thing to do.

Why do you hate America so much?

[sachem]

Its all about an America hating president do does not want my country to be a superpower anymore.So move to America. We'll take you in.

[Captain Obvious]

So move to America. We'll take you in.

Please, keep the Mexicans flowing in before that happens.

[Mac-7]

LOL...as usual your hatred clouds your judgement.

It seems they will be closing several bases but are basically keeping the same amount of personnel. They are simply closing some of the more redundant useless bases from the cold war and focusing more on trouble spots like Asia. It's a fiscally responsible thing to do.

Why do you hate America so much?

This topic is none of your business.

[Common Sense]

Please, keep the Mexicans flowing in before that happens.

Better food and less flatulent than Mac and Cheese.

[Common Sense]

This topic is none of your business.

Yes, American bases all over the world are nobody's business but Americas!!!

What was I thinking???

[sachem]

Please, keep the Mexicans flowing in before that happens.Now, now.

[Captain Obvious]

Now, now.

Mexicans are awesome. I spent some time in Yuma AZ a few years ago, white people are the clear minority there.

They were fantastic people, I loved being around them and that culture.

[donttread]

Its all about an America hating president do does not want my country to be a superpower anymore.

Do you realize how juvenile you sound ?

[Common Sense]

Do you realize how juvenile you sound ?

He doesn't have a clue...

[Mac-7]

It's a fiscally responsible thing to do.

$500 million is only half of what obumer spends on himself and his fat wife every year for travel, parties and vacations.

Gutting nation defense is not about saving money with this asshole.

[Captain Obvious]

Do you realize how juvenile you sound ?

Obviously no

[Mac-7]

Do you realize how juvenile you sound ?

Not as much as you.

This man is doing real damage to America.

[sachem]

Mexicans are awesome. I spent some time in Yuma AZ a few years ago, white people are the clear minority there.

They were fantastic people, I loved being around them and that culture.I have no doubt. I thought you didn't want Mac to come here.

[Common Sense]

$500 million is only half of what obumer spends on himself and his fat wife every year for travel, parties and vacations.

Gutting nation defense is not about saving money with this $#@!.

That's none of your business.

Why do you hate America so much?

[Common Sense]

Not as much as you.

This man is doing real damage to America.

I know you are but what am I?

[Mac-7]

Yes, American bases all over the world are nobody's business but Americas!!!

What was I thinking???

Its not a Canadians business.

[Bob]

I realize things always change but when I was on active duty in the Army, a Battalion had about 2,000 troops including head quarters, a separate unit.

While you might move them anywhere on earth in 18 hours, so what? You are not talking a division, just a Battalion.

[Common Sense]

Its not a Canadians business.

How about the Europeans? Can them filthy Euros be in on it?

[Private Pickle]

How about the Europeans? Can them filthy Euros be in on it?

They're in on it! Most of them love the money it brings in for their economy.

[Mac-7]

I realize things always change but when I was on active duty in the Army, a Battalion had about 2,000 troops including head quarters, a separate unit.

While you might move them anywhere on earth in 18 hours, so what? You are not talking a division, just a Battalion.

Its a very small force.

[Bob]

DoD Officials Announce European Infrastructure ConsolidationBy Air Force Tech. Sgt. Jake Richmond
DoD News, Defense Media Activity
WASHINGTON, Jan. 8, 2015 – Defense Department officials today announced plans to consolidate some military infrastructure in Europe to save the U.S. government more than $500 million annually while maintaining capability and commitments.
The plans represent the culmination of the European Infrastructure Consolidation process, a two-year effort that was designed to ensure long-term efficiency and effectiveness of the U.S. presence in Europe, officials said.
The consolidation incorporates the return of 15 sites to their host nations, part of U.S. European Command’s continued effort to remove nonenduring sites from its real-property inventory and allow more resources to be focused on other Eucom mission requirements.
Not Affecting Capability
“In the end, this transformation of our infrastructure will help maximize our military capabilities in Europe and help strengthen our important European partnerships so that we can best support our NATO allies and partners in the region,” Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said. Hagel discussed the decisions yesterday with his counterparts in the United Kingdom, Germany, Italy and Portugal -- the four countries affected most by the actions.
Derek Chollet, assistant secretary of defense for international security affairs told reporters at the Pentagon today that European and trans-Atlantic security is more important than ever.
“We are not affecting our operational capability,” Chollet said. “The EIC adjustments do not diminish our ability to meet our commitments to allies and partners. In fact, these decisions will produce savings that will enable us to maintain a robust force presence in Europe.”

http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?adbid=10153081940740719&adbpl=fb&adbpr=114648515718&cid=social_20150108_38474587&id=123929

[Captain Obvious]

I have no doubt. I thought you didn't want Mac to come here.

He needs to bring flag pin etiquette to the banana republics anyway.

[Common Sense]

Its a very small force.

That's what she said...


Can we still say that? Is it stupid now? I think it's stupid now but it just felt appropriate.

Carry on.

[Mac-7]

DoD Officials Announce European Infrastructure Consolidation

By Air Force Tech. Sgt. Jake Richmond
DoD News, Defense Media Activity
WASHINGTON, Jan. 8, 2015 – Defense Department officials today announced plans to consolidate some military infrastructure in Europe to save the U.S. government more than $500 million annually while maintaining capability and commitments.
The plans represent the culmination of the European Infrastructure Consolidation process, a two-year effort that was designed to ensure long-term efficiency and effectiveness of the U.S. presence in Europe, officials said.
The consolidation incorporates the return of 15 sites to their host nations, part of U.S. European Command’s continued effort to remove nonenduring sites from its real-property inventory and allow more resources to be focused on other Eucom mission requirements.
Not Affecting Capability
“In the end, this transformation of our infrastructure will help maximize our military capabilities in Europe and help strengthen our important European partnerships so that we can best support our NATO allies and partners in the region,” Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said. Hagel discussed the decisions yesterday with his counterparts in the United Kingdom, Germany, Italy and Portugal -- the four countries affected most by the actions.
Derek Chollet, assistant secretary of defense for international security affairs told reporters at the Pentagon today that European and trans-Atlantic security is more important than ever.
“We are not affecting our operational capability,” Chollet said. “The EIC adjustments do not diminish our ability to meet our commitments to allies and partners. In fact, these decisions will produce savings that will enable us to maintain a robust force presence in Europe.”

http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?adbid=10153081940740719&adbpl=fb&adbpr=114648515718&cid=social_20150108_38474587&id=123929

If the consolidation were hurting US readiness would obama say so?

[Bob]

Obama is not able to be honest.

[Common Sense]

If the consolidation were hurting US readiness would obama say so?

Of course he would...he hates America and you personally. He told me so at a our annual Comrades Banquet.

[Howey]

US closing 15 bases in Europe (http://dailycaller.com/2015/01/08/as-russia-looms-us-decides-to-close-15-military-bases-in-europe/)

It is a good way to cut costs. Keeping US forces overseas is a lot more expensive than having them in the US. We should maintain large logistics hubs- one in South Korea (far south), one Europe, one in Kuwait, and maybe one in Okinawa.

Pull the rest back home. We can transport massive numbers of troops inside of 18 hours. That is why we are a super power and no other nation is. And we can always send expeditionary forces as a show of force at will.

It's mostly a consolidation. Bush did it a lot stateside.


Even with the basing of the new F-35s and associated manpower, the restructuring will result in a net decrease of about 2,000 U.S. military and civilian personnel

I would like to know which smaller units are being dismantled.


You are talking out of your ass. Pay attention to the posts that discuss the topic.


And you're just now realizing that?

[Mac-7]

Obama is not able to be honest.

Looking back what I reacted to was the idea that we do not need troops overseas and can just fly our army around the world as needed.

That does not appear to be happening yet and was merely a "for instance" or trial balloon offered from people not in the White House.

[Howey]

I don't believe anything I read in newspapers about a more "modern" military capable of moving around the world in 24 hours. A drawback is a drawback. The European nations are not prepared to defend themselves, so this will mean a weakening of NATO. The Russians will respond accordingly.

Of course you don't. Check Fox news tonight.

As I already stated, it's not a drawback. It's a consolidation.

And...I think your hero Pootin has other problems right now.

[Howey]

I recently read that USA was interested in having a permanent base in Spain...

How I would like to exist a government that say to USA, I don't take off my pants anymore, and you can send your base to the $#@! (literal translation of a vulgar expression to say $#@! off).

And also would be nice to say that in this undiplomatic terms.

There's two already. Rota is large.

[Howey]

I'll believe it, and celebrate it, when I see all those transports flying troops into Fort Drum. Until then, I think its all about politics and games

Doesn't anyone read the links? Or did the Daily Caller "accidentally" leave out the fact that this is a consolidation?

[Howey]

Not to mention this was proposed in 2005.

http://www.brac.gov/finalreport.html

[Polecat]

Boots on the ground are not a strategic 1st choice anymore. Staging soldiers can be done while the bombing campaign is underway if it is called for. This is smart to the bone.

[Howey]

Its all about an America hating president do does not want my country to be a superpower anymore.

http://www.brac.gov/finalreport.html

You hated Bush?

[Common Sense]

Doesn't anyone read the links? Or did the Daily Caller "accidentally" leave out the fact that this is a consolidation?

Take your facts and gtfo...there's no room for fact in this argument!!!

[Howey]

Do you realize how juvenile you sound ?

Like I said the other day, when his fellow conservatives start laughing at him, you know Mac-7 has a problem.

[Howey]

DoD Officials Announce European Infrastructure ConsolidationBy Air Force Tech. Sgt. Jake Richmond
DoD News, Defense Media Activity
WASHINGTON, Jan. 8, 2015 – Defense Department officials today announced plans to consolidate some military infrastructure in Europe to save the U.S. government more than $500 million annually while maintaining capability and commitments.
The plans represent the culmination of the European Infrastructure Consolidation process, a two-year effort that was designed to ensure long-term efficiency and effectiveness of the U.S. presence in Europe, officials said.
The consolidation incorporates the return of 15 sites to their host nations, part of U.S. European Command’s continued effort to remove nonenduring sites from its real-property inventory and allow more resources to be focused on other Eucom mission requirements.
Not Affecting Capability
“In the end, this transformation of our infrastructure will help maximize our military capabilities in Europe and help strengthen our important European partnerships so that we can best support our NATO allies and partners in the region,” Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said. Hagel discussed the decisions yesterday with his counterparts in the United Kingdom, Germany, Italy and Portugal -- the four countries affected most by the actions.
Derek Chollet, assistant secretary of defense for international security affairs told reporters at the Pentagon today that European and trans-Atlantic security is more important than ever.
“We are not affecting our operational capability,” Chollet said. “The EIC adjustments do not diminish our ability to meet our commitments to allies and partners. In fact, these decisions will produce savings that will enable us to maintain a robust force presence in Europe.”

http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?adbid=10153081940740719&adbpl=fb&adbpr=114648515718&cid=social_20150108_38474587&id=123929

Well. It only took 5 pages for someone to find the truth. Good work, Bob!

[Peter1469]

I don't believe anything I read in newspapers about a more "modern" military capable of moving around the world in 24 hours. A drawback is a drawback. The European nations are not prepared to defend themselves, so this will mean a weakening of NATO. The Russians will respond accordingly.

We did it in the 80s.

[Mac-7]

http://www.brac.gov/finalreport.html

You hated Bush?

consolidation is not a problem if that's all it is.

Although it does make US. Forces an easier target to take out in a first strike.

It was the half assed idea of a mobil army with the same capability of troops stationed locally that bothered me.

[Mac-7]

Like I said the other day, when his fellow conservatives start laughing at him, you know @Mac-7 (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=1014) has a problem.

You come from lib la la land where everyone is cloned from the same cell.

[The Xl]

Good. End them all

[The Xl]

Mexicans are awesome. I spent some time in Yuma AZ a few years ago, white people are the clear minority there.

They were fantastic people, I loved being around them and that culture. that's....raisins?

[Cigar]

Lindsey Graham Blames President Obama For Terrorist Attack In France“When he left Iraq, he did so on a campaign promise. He’s trying to close Gitmo based on a campaign promise. His campaign promises are getting a lot of people killed. Our intelligence-gathering abilities have been compromised. The only way you can stop these attacks is to find out about them before they occur. We’re reducing our military spending at a time when we need it the most. These policies driven by President Obama of being soft and weak and indecisive are coming home to haunt us.”

He concluded by saying that because of President Obama’s policies, “it’s just a matter of time” before America is attacked at home if an adjustment is not made. Graham expressed similar views on Wednesday when he told CNN’s Dana Bash that journalists are “soft targets” in the wake of the Charlie Hebdo terrorist attack.

read more: http://www.mediaite.com/tv/lindsey-graham-obamas-policies-getting-a-lot-of-people-killed/
https://www.facebook.com/mediaite/posts/10150497667759963

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i82/McBuff/Lindsey.jpg

[Captain Obvious]

that's....raisins?

wot...

[The Xl]

wot...
Lulz, I'm just fuckin around

[texan]

Of course we are the Democrats are in charge and we are so much safer! Especially with the rush to close Gitmo now, tried to move these idiots to the state prisons and lost so he will just let them go. When one shows up on a big bombing run here he will be hailed as a complete failure.

Theory man! He won't get killed but your family might so he can make a political point.

[protectionist]

This starts me thinking. How safe are the nukes in England and France ? (with all the appeasement of Muslims they engage in)

[Mac-7]

This starts me thinking. How safe are the nukes in England and France ? (with all the appeasement of Muslims they engage in)

Guarded by American with real guns probably safer than the unarmed Brit and french cops being led to the slaughter by gun control fanatics.

[Adelaide]

Ideally, the US wouldn't need even half the bases they currently have but international players aren't willing to step up to the plate where the US would be absent. It's unfortunate, but the US took on the role of world police and now I don't think they'll be able to shed that short of completely losing their status as a super power.

[Peter1469]

Ideally, the US wouldn't need even half the bases they currently have but international players aren't willing to step up to the plate where the US would be absent. It's unfortunate, but the US took on the role of world police and now I don't think they'll be able to shed that short of completely losing their status as a super power.

It was necessary during the Cold War. Now it is not. We should pull back and if others don't carry they weight they can suffer for it.

[Mac-7]

It was necessary during the Cold War. Now it is not. We should pull back and if others don't carry they weight they can suffer for it.

Meaning align themselves with our enemies instead of us.

[Peter1469]

Meaning align themselves with our enemies instead of us.

That is a silly comment.

[Mac-7]

That is a silly comment.

You'd be surprised how easily the spineless Euros will sell out to the highest bidder or a hostile power who bully's them.

[Peter1469]

You'd be surprised how easily the spineless Euros will sell out to the highest bidder or a hostile power who bully's them.

So? Why do you want to manage them? The Cold War is over. They are not a threat. They ran out of cruise missiles within 2 weeks of fighting in the Libyan campaign.

[Mac-7]

So? Why do you want to manage them? The Cold War is over. They are not a threat. They ran out of cruise missiles within 2 weeks of fighting in the Libyan campaign.

Two world wars suggest that the euros are not the suave all-knowing superior beings that some Americans think they are.

a little managing is money well spent.

[Adelaide]

It was necessary during the Cold War. Now it is not. We should pull back and if others don't carry they weight they can suffer for it.

Except that the US has put themselves in a position where they will hurt, too.

[Peter1469]

Except that the US has put themselves in a position where they will hurt, too.


Right. That is not our problem. Europe decided to de- militarize and shift money into social welfare programs. That is NOPD (not out problem dude). If they don't want to defend themselves (or pay us to do it) f'em.

[Peter1469]

Two world wars suggest that the euros are not the suave all-knowing superior beings that some Americans think they are.

a little managing is money well spent.

What does that have to do with today and US vital national security interests?

[Mac-7]

What does that have to do with today and US vital national security interests?

The euros are spineless but I would still rather keep them in our corner if possible.

[Peter1469]

The euros are spineless but I would still rather keep them in our corner if possible.

Oh sure. But the question is what to do about it, and how much it will cost. I want a Neocon wallet (magical wallet of ever-cash).

[Mac-7]

Oh sure. But the question is what to do about it, and how much it will cost. I want a Neocon wallet (magical wallet of ever-cash).

So we are back to name calling so soon?

You don't like being called an isolationist but throw the neocon term around pretty freely.

[Peter1469]

So we are back to name calling so soon?

You don't like being called an isolationist but throw the neocon term around pretty freely.

There was no name calling. Thin skin doesn't get a different set of rules to hug up to.

[Mac-7]

There was no name calling. Thin skin doesn't get a different set of rules to hug up to.

Ok I've got it.

we've never exchanged those terms with each other, have we?

[donttread]

Not as much as you.

This man is doing real damage to America.

True. But he's off setting some of it by bringing the troops home where they belong

[Howey]

So we are back to name calling so soon?

You don't like being called an isolationist but throw the neocon term around pretty freely.

Since when is "neocon" a dirty word?

Lighten up, Shirley!

[Captain Obvious]

Since when is "neocon" a dirty word?

Lighten up, Shirley!

When he doesn't want to admit that it's an accurate description of him.

[Mac-7]

Since when is "neocon" a dirty word?

Lighten up, Shirley!

It is when people who hate neocons use it.

[donttread]

It is when people who hate neocons use it.

Should we make special rules for neocons? Like quarterbacks in the NFL, who in my opinion don't even count as football players anymore . If can't even use a term like neocon we should be writing this in crayon.

[Peter1469]

Neocons coined the phrase themselves. They are liberals who got pissed off at the democrats in the Vietnam era when the Dems abandoned national security as an issue. If it wasn't for that, they would still be loyal dems. :smiley:

[Ransom]

Isolationism also a proven wrong ideal and self described and yet...that name call will get you in trouble. The two sets of rules continues, why I like it here.

[Peter1469]

Isolationists are outliers. You shouldn't fixate on them

[Ransom]

Should we make special rules for neocons? Like quarterbacks in the NFL, who in my opinion don't even count as football players anymore . If can't even use a term like neocon we should be writing this in crayon.

But, much like history and geopolitics, neoconservatism is an unknown on this forum, most posts using it a slight of hand. It's also used as a distraction, many members use phrases to deflect attention from their own erred and proven wrong agendas.

[waltky]

Pentagon plan to shut bases stopped in the Senate...
:cool2:
Senate Panel Rejects Pentagon's Call to Shut Military Bases
May 11, 2016 | WASHINGTON -- A GOP-led Senate panel is all but shutting the door on the possibility of a new round of military base closings.


The Armed Services readiness subcommittee approved legislation Tuesday denying the Defense Department's request to close excess bases and use the accrued cost savings to strengthen the military.

The subcommittee's chairwoman, Republican Senator Kelly Ayotte of New Hampshire, says there is no room in the defense budget for the up-front costs required to begin closing bases.

The Pentagon says the Army and Air Force will have vastly more space for training and basing troops than they need, and trimming the surplus would save money that could be applied to strengthening the military. A House panel also rejected base closings in its version of the defense bill.

http://www.military.com/daily-news/2016/05/11/senate-panel-rejects-pentagon-call-shut-military-bases.html

[Mac-7]

I can really tell the difference in generations...I still think in terms of needing to have troops stationed in areas that might need them....but the modern military can move in 18 hours....whew!

In this case you are correct.

having troops on the ground makes our commitment to NATO or Japan/Korea real instead of virtual.

It reassures our allies rather than leaving them with nothing except a question mark.

[MMC]

Pentagon plan to shut bases stopped in the Senate...
:cool2:
Senate Panel Rejects Pentagon's Call to Shut Military Bases
May 11, 2016 | WASHINGTON -- A GOP-led Senate panel is all but shutting the door on the possibility of a new round of military base closings.

Damn.....we should close most of those bases in Europe. We don't need 15 of them there.

[Beevee]

US closing 15 bases in Europe (http://dailycaller.com/2015/01/08/as-russia-looms-us-decides-to-close-15-military-bases-in-europe/)

It is a good way to cut costs. Keeping US forces overseas is a lot more expensive than having them in the US. We should maintain large logistics hubs- one in South Korea (far south), one Europe, one in Kuwait, and maybe one in Okinawa.

Pull the rest back home. We can transport massive numbers of troops inside of 18 hours. That is why we are a super power and no other nation is. And we can always send expeditionary forces as a show of force at will.

Wow! Mildenhall to close.

UK residents will need schooling on the use of Sterling as a currency.

[Cigar]

US closing 15 bases in Europe (http://dailycaller.com/2015/01/08/as-russia-looms-us-decides-to-close-15-military-bases-in-europe/)

It is a good way to cut costs. Keeping US forces overseas is a lot more expensive than having them in the US. We should maintain large logistics hubs- one in South Korea (far south), one Europe, one in Kuwait, and maybe one in Okinawa.

Pull the rest back home. We can transport massive numbers of troops inside of 18 hours. That is why we are a super power and no other nation is. And we can always send expeditionary forces as a show of force at will.


Also it's The Year 2016, and with all those Trillions and Trillions of Dollars the Tax Payers spent for those Decades and Decades for Hot New Toys and Technology, you no longer need to be in close proximity and have numerous human assets to do the manual labor over seas.

Welcome to Progress in Military Might :grin:

Now it it ok to Spend some of those Trillions on Americans and the needs for Americans, you know those people who keep dying for Wars and Liberty for people who wouldn't piss on Americans if they were on fire, but can't Eat, or have a home or have a adequate national infrastructure.

[Mac-7]

Also it's The Year 2016, and with all those Trillions and Trillions of Dollars the Tax Payers spent for those Decades and Decades for Hot New Toys and Technology, you no longer need to be in close proximity and have numerous human assets to do the manual labor over seas.

Welcome to Progress in Military Might :grin:

Now it it ok to Spend some of those Trillions on Americans and the needs for Americans, you know those people who keep dying for Wars and Liberty for people who wouldn't piss on Americans if they were on fire, but can't Eat, or have a home or have a adequate national infrastructure.

80 to 85% of the money the federal government spends is for butter not guns.

[Kurmugeon]

We lack the Political-Will, focus, and unity, to use any of our military assets, so why maintain them?

But, make no mistake, someone, probably China and the Islamic Caliphate, will step into the vacuum.

The EU is so screwed!

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[Peter1469]

Also it's The Year 2016, and with all those Trillions and Trillions of Dollars the Tax Payers spent for those Decades and Decades for Hot New Toys and Technology, you no longer need to be in close proximity and have numerous human assets to do the manual labor over seas.

Welcome to Progress in Military Might :grin:

Now it it ok to Spend some of those Trillions on Americans and the needs for Americans, you know those people who keep dying for Wars and Liberty for people who wouldn't piss on Americans if they were on fire, but can't Eat, or have a home or have a adequate national infrastructure.
Nobody, or I should say no serious person, wants to end safety nets.

What we want to do is end safety hammocks. :wink:

[Cigar]

Nobody, or I should say no serious person, wants to end safety nets.

What we want to do is end safety hammocks. :wink:


Then do it, show me when The GOP will End Hand-Outs to the Rich Resting in Hammocks an producing nothing.

[Mac-7]

Nobody, or I should say no serious person, wants to end safety nets.

What we want to do is end safety hammocks. :wink:

Define good safety nets as opposed to bad safety hammocks

[Mac-7]

Then do it, show me when The GOP will End Hand-Outs to the Rich Resting in Hammocks an producing nothing.

Handouts such as?

[Cigar]

Handouts such as?


If I have to Pay Takes, so should Big Business who is using the resources I pay for.

[Peter1469]

Then do it, show me when The GOP will End Hand-Outs to the Rich Resting in Hammocks an producing nothing.

Ask the GOP.

I don't have any influence over them. I don't want to. That are just about as corrupt as the dems. A curse on both of them.

[Mac-7]

If I have to Pay Takes, so should Big Business who is using the resources I pay for.

conservatives do not believe in taxing corporations because it is just an indirect tax on the consumers who by the products or services that corporations sell.

What I would agree with is that if there must be a corporate tax there should be one flat rate that all corporations pay and no special tax breaks for some corporations.

[donttread]

Isolationism also a proven wrong ideal and self described and yet...that name call will get you in trouble. The two sets of rules continues, why I like it here.

Gee Ransom this thread is a nearly a year and a half old. Your interventionism has turned the ME into even worse mess in that time. And how many of these based were really closed?

[MisterVeritis]

I can really tell the difference in generations...I still think in terms of needing to have troops stationed in areas that might need them....but the modern military can move in 18 hours....whew!

Don't believe everything you read.

[MisterVeritis]

Then do it, show me when The GOP will End Hand-Outs to the Rich Resting in Hammocks an producing nothing.

I occasionally look through the budget. Which line item covers the handouts to the rich resting in hammocks?